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(Politico)   The tax man is learning how to make it real and at least one lawmaker wants to know why   (politico.com ) divider line
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2013-06-13 09:31:21 AM  
Fark you, pay me, that's why.
 
2013-06-13 09:41:44 AM  
Dancin In Anson, gun-grabber
 
2013-06-13 09:46:31 AM  

Jackson Herring: Dancin In Anson, gun-grabber


Please explain.
 
2013-06-13 10:07:46 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-06-13 10:16:48 AM  
"Are Americans that much of a target that you need that kind of capability?"

The NRA seems to think so.
 
2013-06-13 10:24:49 AM  

Aarontology: "Are Americans that much of a target that you need that kind of capability?"

The NRA seems to think so.


Well, Americans and feral hogs.
 
2013-06-13 10:31:25 AM  

Diogenes: Well, Americans and feral hogs.


And heavily armed tax collectors.
 
2013-06-13 10:34:22 AM  

Diogenes: Well, Americans and feral hogs.


Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference.
 
2013-06-13 10:50:13 AM  
Duncan acknowledges that the IRS has an enforcement division

As I posted in one of the redlit threads: You're a Congressman, you ninny

/if you don't like something, then introduce legislation to change it
//see how far you get
 
2013-06-13 10:51:42 AM  
Why does it matter?   Doesn't the NRA want EVERYONE armed?
 
2013-06-13 10:54:49 AM  

Aarontology: Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference.


That's no shiat. The IRS is  just voracious and destructive as pigs. Now they have the teeth too.
 
2013-06-13 10:55:27 AM  

raerae1980: Why does it matter?   Doesn't the NRA want EVERYONE armed?


It's a delicate balancing act.  Since they give two frigs about the 2nd Amendment are are really a commercial lobbying group for arms manufacturers, they need to keep up the "gubmint gonna git ur guns" rhetoric.  But in reality, the government needs to get its guns from someone, too.
 
2013-06-13 10:58:23 AM  
It used to be "going postal".  Now it will be called "going Taxman".
 
2013-06-13 11:01:10 AM  
Rep. Jeff Duncan wants to know why IRS law enforcement agents are training with AR-15 rifles.
If you need one to "defend your home", then it's certainly justified to defend an entire government agency.
 
2013-06-13 11:01:28 AM  

Aarontology: Diogenes: Well, Americans and feral hogs.

Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference.


The feral hogs are in better shape.
 
2013-06-13 11:02:38 AM  

raerae1980: Why does it matter?   Doesn't the NRA want EVERYONE armed?


Well, everyone but the people they'd like to shoot at
 
2013-06-13 11:03:39 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: raerae1980: Why does it matter?   Doesn't the NRA want EVERYONE armed?

Well, everyone but the people they'd like to shoot at


Well that's not sporting at all. I wish dueling was still an option, we'd need fewer and smaller guns.
 
2013-06-13 11:05:06 AM  
Wait.  They think teenagers with multiple felony convictions should be able to buy an AR-15 without a background check at Wal-Mart and be able to carry it loaded with a round in the chamber plus the safety off in public.  But they think a federal agent that takes part of raids on dangerous criminals shouldn't?

Really?

This is the track they're going with?

Let me guess, tomorrow on a talk radio show he's going to claim that EVERY IRS pencil pusher who looks over your taxes is going to be sporting an AR-15 and then if you have a typo he's going to roll up on your house and kick down the door.
 
2013-06-13 11:08:10 AM  
They are Federal law enforcement officers, just like any other.

Does it bother Congressderp Duncan that local police forces are being given armored assault vehicles and otherwise militarized?
 
2013-06-13 11:08:18 AM  
I thought it was common knowledge that federal income taxes were extracted at gunpoint.
 
2013-06-13 11:10:05 AM  
Armed vilified teachers okay but armed vilified federal workers not.

Got it.
 
2013-06-13 11:11:40 AM  
Guess who didn't want the IRS to have guns.

www.biography.com
 
2013-06-13 11:13:45 AM  
Well, suppose there was a loudmouth group of crazies who, largely (pun intended) through words but also violence from time to time, believed that the IRS was illegitimate, that it was malevolently run by an illegitimate president who only want to silence their opinions, and that it was their sacred duty to protect their stuff - their COUNTRY, even - with their lives against this unjust usurpation. You might want an agent who is lawfully conducting the business of government to be...how does the NRA put it? "protected"... against such a threat.

Now imagine a situation where about half of Republicans (and more than a few Democrats) feel that way.
 
2013-06-13 11:13:51 AM  
Romneybot-3000 is out there trying to determine to how to fight tax agents with guns but it does not compute
 
2013-06-13 11:13:56 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: Wait.  They think teenagers with multiple felony convictions should be able to buy an AR-15 without a background check at Wal-Mart and be able to carry it loaded with a round in the chamber plus the safety off in public.


Who exactly is the "they" in that hyperbolic scenario?  Some nonexistent person you just made up?
 
2013-06-13 11:22:17 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: Wait.  They think teenagers with multiple felony convictions should be able to buy an AR-15 without a background check at Wal-Mart and be able to carry it loaded with a round in the chamber plus the safety off in public.  But they think a federal agent that takes part of raids on dangerous criminals shouldn't?

Really?

This is the track they're going with?

Let me guess, tomorrow on a talk radio show he's going to claim that EVERY IRS pencil pusher who looks over your taxes is going to be sporting an AR-15 and then if you have a typo he's going to roll up on your house and kick down the door.


Well they didn't think of that until now, thanks for giving them that talking point.
 
2013-06-13 11:27:36 AM  
The only thing that will stop a bad taxman with a gun is a good taxman with a gun.
 
2013-06-13 11:29:24 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: I thought it was common knowledge that federal income taxes were extracted at gunpoint.


not extracted, extruded

like through a butthole
 
2013-06-13 11:31:18 AM  
You can take our guns when you fill out form S117-C\A13 in triplicate, in black ink, in the presence of an authorized notary, attaching all relevant receipts (not photocopies).
 
2013-06-13 11:34:25 AM  

Jackson Herring: Pants full of macaroni!!: I thought it was common knowledge that federal income taxes were extracted at gunpoint.

not extracted, extruded

like through a butthole


hence 'Fartbongo'
 
2013-06-13 11:38:28 AM  

lilbjorn: Rep. Jeff Duncan wants to know why IRS law enforcement agents are training with AR-15 rifles.
If you need one to "defend your home", then it's certainly justified to defend an entire government agency.


Isn't the only attack on the IRS in recent memory from a lone man and a plane?  I think we should all have SAMs just in case.
 
2013-06-13 11:41:31 AM  
"We'll ask the questions and hopefully they can justify it. And if not, we'll bring them in front of the committee for a hearing and ask the questions on the record," he said.

Laser-like focus on jobs.
 
2013-06-13 11:43:44 AM  
IRS agents do make arrests, mostly for tax evasion and money laundering.  Many times drugs and drug money are involved so it could be a dangerous situation.  However, they usually bring a bunch of U.S. Marshals when they're going to do something like that.
 
2013-06-13 11:44:10 AM  
This has got to be a farking joke. That much chutzpah should come with a warning label.
 
2013-06-13 11:46:41 AM  
Two words:

Sovereign Citizens.
 
2013-06-13 11:46:59 AM  
FTFA: "When I left there, it's been bugging me for weeks now, why IRS agents are training with a semi-automatic rifle AR-15, which has stand-off capability," Duncan told POLITICO. "Are Americans that much of a target that you need that kind of capability?"


Did he not get the talking points that the AR-15 is a terrible weapon that must be legal because freedom and Merica?

GanjSmokr: Who exactly is the "they" in that hyperbolic scenario? Some nonexistent person you just made up?


Firearms Ownership Protection Act - part of an overhaul of federal gun laws orchestrated by the National Rifle Association.
 
2013-06-13 11:47:30 AM  

ArkPanda: IRS agents do make arrests, mostly for tax evasion and money laundering.  Many times drugs and drug money are involved so it could be a dangerous situation.  However, they usually bring a bunch of U.S. Marshals when they're going to do something like that.


I would assume there is only a small portion of IRS agents that participate in these types of arrests and there are only a limited number of IRS employees receiving this type of training. This derp-monger is making it sound like every IRS employee from the mail clerk to the janitor to the HR secretary will be issued AR-15's and instructed to shoot any citizen on site who questions the authority of the IRS.
 
2013-06-13 11:55:38 AM  

max_pooper: ArkPanda: IRS agents do make arrests, mostly for tax evasion and money laundering.  Many times drugs and drug money are involved so it could be a dangerous situation.  However, they usually bring a bunch of U.S. Marshals when they're going to do something like that.

I would assume there is only a small portion of IRS agents that participate in these types of arrests and there are only a limited number of IRS employees receiving this type of training. This derp-monger is making it sound like every IRS employee from the mail clerk to the janitor to the HR secretary will be issued AR-15's and instructed to shoot any citizen on site who questions the authority of the IRS.


Right, only a few people at the IRS are actually federal agents with arrest powers.  The people checking your 1040s are just regular civil servants. FTFA:
"As law enforcement officials, IRS Criminal Investigation Special Agents are equipped similarly to other federal, state and local law enforcement organizations. Special Agents receive training on the appropriate and safe use of assigned weapons. IRS Criminal Investigation has internal controls and oversight in place to ensure all law enforcement tools, including weapons are used appropriately," the IRS said.
 
2013-06-13 11:56:04 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Diogenes: Well, Americans and feral hogs.

And heavily armed tax collectors.


No shiat, sherlock.  Do you expect them to deal with criminals using nothing but harsh words?

What am I saying, of course you do!
 
2013-06-13 12:00:35 PM  

Witty_Retort: GanjSmokr: Who exactly is the "they" in that hyperbolic scenario? Some nonexistent person you just made up?

Firearms Ownership Protection Act - part of an overhaul of federal gun laws orchestrated by the National Rifle Association.


This one?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Owners_Protection_Act#Clarifica ti on_of_prohibited_persons

Because that doesn't say much about anyone thinking that  "teenagers with multiple felony convictions should be able to buy an AR-15 without a background check at Wal-Mart and be able to carry it loaded with a round in the chamber plus the safety off in public".

Maybe I just overlooked that section?
 
2013-06-13 12:08:30 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Fark you, pay me, that's why.


done in one.

You can be a drunk driver and run over a child and get less jail time than if you didn't give the government its cut.

The entire political process is just a big debate on how to spend other peoples money.
 
2013-06-13 12:09:39 PM  

AurizenDarkstar: Do you expect them to deal with criminals using nothing but harsh words?


Why, no as a matter of fact. I expect them to use law enforcement to enforce tax laws. It's so crazy it might just work!
 
2013-06-13 12:10:11 PM  

www.likesbooks.com

Also hates Revenuers.

 
2013-06-13 12:17:59 PM  
So why are capital police armed? matter of fact why are there capital police in the first place?
 
2013-06-13 12:26:20 PM  
And heavily armed tax collectors.

Are you asserting that IRS Criminal Investigation Special Agents are simply "tax collectors"
 
2013-06-13 12:26:58 PM  
also are you implying that tax collectors should be shot like feral hogs
 
2013-06-13 12:29:36 PM  
"Stand-off capability"? Is that gunnutese for "assault weapon"?
 
2013-06-13 12:50:25 PM  

Jackson Herring: also are you implying that tax collectors should be shot like feral hogs


That's some might fine derpin'  right there, son!
 
2013-06-13 01:12:32 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: AurizenDarkstar: Do you expect them to deal with criminals using nothing but harsh words?

Why, no as a matter of fact. I expect them to use law enforcement to enforce tax laws. It's so crazy it might just work!


Maybe, like, the enforcement section of the IRS?

Derp on, man. Derp on.
 
2013-06-13 01:55:02 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Maybe, like, the enforcement section of the IRS?


Or the FBI. But hey. We need more armed federal agents ensuring that you comply. It's for the good of the sta...damnit I keep forgetting...Society.
 
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