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(Atlanta Journal Constitution)   Census Bureau reports rural US loses population for first time ever on news that you got the hell out of that jerkwater town as soon as you could   (ajc.com) divider line 104
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2013-06-13 10:55:23 AM  
Define "rual"
 
2013-06-13 10:56:04 AM  
Because there is no internet access in small towns, how is anyone going to play Xbox One
 
2013-06-13 10:58:36 AM  
I grew up in a place out in the country which was defined as a "village". To get that designation, you have to have less than 500 people in your area.

Now I'd be lucky to find an apartment with that few people.
 
2013-06-13 11:00:10 AM  
You can't retire from your city job and move to the country when you can't afford to retire in the first place.
 
2013-06-13 11:06:02 AM  

local vagrant: Define "rual"


I see what you did there.
 
2013-06-13 11:13:08 AM  
When I was young, I got the hell out of a jerkwater town as fast as I possibly could (Thank you, Navy!)    Now that I am old, I am working really hard to get back into a jerkwater town.
 
2013-06-13 11:14:35 AM  
With population declining where will they find people for jury duty in these rural areas?
 
2013-06-13 11:16:31 AM  

mechgreg: With population declining where will they find people for jury duty in these rural areas?


Best Colorado.
 
2013-06-13 11:17:01 AM  
With population declining where will they find people for jury duty in these rural areas?I see what you did there.
 
2013-06-13 11:17:10 AM  
you got the hell out of that jerkwater town as soon as you could

That's what our high school history teacher told us.  He was right.
 
2013-06-13 11:19:24 AM  
I actually had nothing against my 'jerkwater town' (pop: 945 nowadays, 487 when I was born), but when you are a performer and someone who has aptitudes in electronics, you get the hell out as fast as you can just so you can actually BE a performer and someonw who has aptitudes in electronics. Cows and trees make poor audiences and don't usually own radios and computers.

/I once had a friend from there ask me why I love living in the 'big city' so much. I replied that, for one thing, I could buy Christmas presents at 3 o'clock in the morning. All I got was a blank stare. Figures...
 
2013-06-13 11:22:45 AM  
Graduated from HS with a class of 28 seniors.  In his commencement speech, the valedictorian actually said "the biggest difference in college will be that you won't have had sex with every member of the opposite sex in your class. [pause] twice."

Which was funny, because it was true. Didn't stop the principal from kicking him off the stage, though.
 
2013-06-13 11:27:50 AM  

local vagrant: Define "rural"


It's precise and highly arbitrary. They're counting people in economically-integrated (also with some definition-creep) metro area (also with some definiton creep) with an urban core (also with some definition creep) of at least 50,000.

To be precise, any place that's on this list is non-rural.  Anything on this list (or the even more rural places on neither list) is rural.   75% of the country lives in the first list.

You'll notice that there are some places on the second list larger than the first.  So, Casper WY (and 50 miles outside of Casper in the same county) is theoretically urban, because Casper's a hair over 50k and there's basically no suburbia.  But, say, the Peru-Ottawa-Streator Illinois area, which is a lot more populous, doesn't really have a town of 50k so is considered rural (and I'm willing to grant, it's pretty rural, but hardly in the same ballpark as 50 miles outside of Casper).
 
2013-06-13 11:34:31 AM  
Retirees are electing to stay in urban areas now.

What did I miss?  Did Country Buffet just close all it's rural locations?
 
2013-06-13 11:35:00 AM  

Zul the Magnificent: mechgreg: With population declining where will they find people for jury duty in these rural areas?

Best Colorado.


I live in what would become Best Colorado and will be checking online tomorrow to see if I am actually needed as a jury member next week so I got a kick out of your reply.
 
2013-06-13 11:35:38 AM  
As someone living in a jerkwater town I think it's a very good thing for kids to move the hell out for a while and meet some people who aren't related to them.
 
2013-06-13 11:35:45 AM  
Left my jerkwater town to go west, further my career (the job situation wasn't too great back there) and find myself. It was hard to leave but I was sure I'd never want to go back once I had a taste. Here I am almost five years later and I've done what I wanted to do out here and every time I visit home there's a stronger pull back to that old familiarity and slower pace, and now I'm looking for work back that way so I can take care of family. My friends who also made the journey west haven't looked back once.

Part of it's sentimental, part of it is that real estate is a tenth of the price in Podunk and a guy can live like a king out there. And with services like Amazon Prime the world's a much smaller place these days. I think living in a rural town these days is not nearly the death-by-boredom sentence that it used to be.

/csb
 
2013-06-13 11:38:36 AM  

payattention: /I once had a friend from there ask me why I love living in the 'big city' so much. I replied that, for one thing, I could buy Christmas presents at 3 o'clock in the morning. All I got was a blank stare. Figures...


Did your friend not have access to Amazon?

/live in the country and have 50M/25M fiber to shop at 3AM if necessary.
//now if you're talking about shopping for Christmas presents at 3AM on Christmas morning, that's a different story.
 
2013-06-13 11:39:46 AM  
I wonder what this will do to the "cities are skewing the agenda for the bulk of the country" as if proportionate voting should be based on land mass taken up rather than population.
 
2013-06-13 11:48:41 AM  

GanjSmokr: Zul the Magnificent: mechgreg: With population declining where will they find people for jury duty in these rural areas?

Best Colorado.

I live in what would become Best Colorado and will be checking online tomorrow to see if I am actually needed as a jury member next week so I got a kick out of your reply.


Howdy, neighbor.
 
2013-06-13 11:54:47 AM  
Not gonna badmouth rural Americans, personally, but I can't really be surprised. If you're not farming or serving farmers, you have to think real hard about whether you can afford the expense of living a Marie Antoinette fantasy out in rural areas to make an urban or suburban living.
 
2013-06-13 12:04:07 PM  
West Virginia's #1 export is its educated children.
 
2013-06-13 12:06:33 PM  
My parents grew up in small town Ohio, they moved to the DC region raised a family etc and now are semi retired in a small seaside town Delaware. They seem to like it and hey free beach house for me!
 
2013-06-13 12:06:42 PM  

ocschwar: Not gonna badmouth rural Americans, personally, but I can't really be surprised. If you're not farming or serving farmers, you have to think real hard about whether you can afford the expense of living a Marie Antoinette fantasy out in rural areas to make an urban or suburban living.


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Not even really sure if I should be offended or not.

Let's be honest, the majority of people in suburban America are doing meh jobs (Walmart cashiers and the like, teaching, cooking in restaurants, flinging boxes in warehouses, etc) that, while a little rare in extreme-rural areas, are perfectly commonplace in towns of 10k-20k (rural by the Census definitions we're talking about).   Meanwhile, the majority of people in suburban America live lives that wouldn't be much different in a town of 10k.  The number of cable/NetFlix subscriptions and Walmart shoppers bear this out.
 
2013-06-13 12:07:29 PM  
Aw, dammit.  I get Weeners and it's a typo.
 
2013-06-13 12:09:49 PM  

Zul the Magnificent: GanjSmokr: Zul the Magnificent: mechgreg: With population declining where will they find people for jury duty in these rural areas?

Best Colorado.

I live in what would become Best Colorado and will be checking online tomorrow to see if I am actually needed as a jury member next week so I got a kick out of your reply.

Howdy, neighbor.


Howdy back.  Best Colorado residents are Best. :)
 
2013-06-13 12:12:09 PM  
Left jerkwater town. Went back to visit with my parents in jerkwater town last week. Refreshing scenery but I'd never want to live there. For one, my parents live nearby. Two, politics. These two things are not mutually exclusive. Didn't take long to decide to leave after my mom called me a communist baby-killer.

Also, frankly speaking, living in a rural area is not all it's cracked up to be. Too much goddamn drama because practically everyone knows each other after a few years, and yes there are degrees of inbreeding.

I happen to like suburbia - not for everyone, but neither are the other two.
 
2013-06-13 12:28:47 PM  
Meanwhile, the majority of people in suburban America live lives that wouldn't be much different in a town of 10k.

Not much different, except they would involve spending a lot more on transportation and infrastructure upkeep. The further out you live, the more it costs to get electriicty and telecom to you, and road service, and police protection, and one way or another, you will pay for it. Or, you will discover that you can';t afford it and move closer to the city. Your small town may or may not be  a jerkwater town, but living in it is going to cost, and can only be justified if you're actually serving your town in ways the town needs and can pay for. Lots of people are discovering they can';t afford this, and so rural America is depopulating.
 
2013-06-13 12:36:03 PM  
Women with college degrees of all races have been delaying marriage and childbearing to the end of their 20s and beyond, until they have finished their educations and established careers. Once they settle down, they tend to have fewer children. Census figures also show that white women are far more likely to be childless than Hispanic or African American women.

just a note
ive been repeatedly assured here on fark
that this is not possible
so the article must be wrong
 
2013-06-13 12:39:22 PM  

tillerman35: Graduated from HS with a class of 28 seniors.  In his commencement speech, the valedictorian actually said "the biggest difference in college will be that you won't have had sex with every member of the opposite sex in your class. [pause] twice."

Which was funny, because it was true. Didn't stop the principal from kicking him off the stage, though.


Not so! All 14 of the new mothers in the local high school last year were virgins. because without contraception they were not having sex. Yes, people in this jerkwater really believe that girls don't have unprotected sex.
 
2013-06-13 12:45:38 PM  
People tend to crap on rural areas for being uncultured, or taking a disproportionate share of government money, and of course there's the "dumb inbred redneck". However, without rural areas and the people who live and work there, there can be no cities, no fine arts, no science. The people in rural areas produce all the rawmaterials that make civilization possible, starting with an agricultural  industry so productive that one farmer can grow enough to feed over a hundred other people. Freeing those other people to create, It would be extremly difficult to study dark matter or have a career as an engineer if you had to spend  most of your time finding enough food to liive on.
 
2013-06-13 12:47:57 PM  

ocschwar: Not gonna badmouth rural Americans, personally, but I can't really be surprised. If you're not farming or serving farmers, you have to think real hard about whether you can afford the expense of living a Marie Antoinette fantasy out in rural areas to make an urban or suburban living.


===============

We're going back to the way things were before WWII, before the federal government encouraged new car based suburbs by funding the infrastructure for those car based suburbs.   In the near future, people living in rural areas will be people who have a reason to live in rural areas, they will be employed in farming, mining, logging, energy production and the businesses that support those industries.   You may also have some retirees that enjoy that kind of life.   What's dead is the "X-burb".....people who wanted to play lord-of-the-manor in their 3,500 square foot vinyl-clad particle board "mansions", driving 100 miles one way to get to work.
 
2013-06-13 01:09:07 PM  

GanjSmokr: Best Colorado residents are Best. :)


True that.
 
2013-06-13 01:11:18 PM  

local vagrant: Define "rual"


It's where the Republican that runs the town also owns the factory that employs citizens of that town.
 
2013-06-13 01:14:59 PM  

AMonkey'sUncle: It's where the Republican that runs the town also owns the factory that employs citizens of that town.


Factories are in rural areas?  Have you ever been in a rural area?

/Grew up in a town of 25 and nearest stop light was 120 miles away.
//no factories here
 
2013-06-13 01:44:24 PM  
Grew up in a town of 1200, after college and a couple years work, started moving around the world, lived in cities from 100k to 12m, and settled a few years ago about 20 miles outside a town of 1200. Full circle, I guess. Unless one of our local mountains explodes, I think I'll be here for a while.
 
2013-06-13 01:51:32 PM  

Lawnchair: local vagrant: Define "rural"

It's precise and highly arbitrary. They're counting people in economically-integrated (also with some definition-creep) metro area (also with some definiton creep) with an urban core (also with some definition creep) of at least 50,000.

To be precise, any place that's on this list is non-rural.  Anything on this list (or the even more rural places on neither list) is rural.   75% of the country lives in the first list.

You'll notice that there are some places on the second list larger than the first.  So, Casper WY (and 50 miles outside of Casper in the same county) is theoretically urban, because Casper's a hair over 50k and there's basically no suburbia.  But, say, the Peru-Ottawa-Streator Illinois area, which is a lot more populous, doesn't really have a town of 50k so is considered rural (and I'm willing to grant, it's pretty rural, but hardly in the same ballpark as 50 miles outside of Casper).


It has to do with population density, as well. If you live in either a Urban Area or Urban Cluster, you are not considered rural. Rural consists of all territory, population, and housing units located outside UAs and UCs. The census website has a map. http://www.census.gov/geo/maps-data/maps/pdfs/thematic/2010ua/UA2010_ U As_and_UCs_Map.pdf
 
2013-06-13 01:54:12 PM  
I like living in my jerkwater town on a 60 acre plot of land.  The 60 mile round trip to work everyday sucks though.
 
2013-06-13 02:31:14 PM  
How could this be the first ever loss in rural population?  All over the rural US you can find ghost towns and towns that have been shrinking for decades.
 
2013-06-13 02:34:33 PM  
After WWII, everyone went to live in the city. and the country was mostly deserted. Now its wall to wall houses out here. I have been observing this for 60 years and do not believe this article
 
2013-06-13 02:39:52 PM  

brewswane: Now its wall to wall houses out here. I have been observing this for 60 years and do not believe this article


Not sure where you live, but definaly not wall to wall houses here.  Of course, many counties here are 80% to 90% pulic land, so that will never be an issue here.
 
2013-06-13 02:44:06 PM  
amishkarl: ....However, without rural areas and the people who live and work there, there can be no cities, no fine arts, no science. The people in rural areas produce all the rawmaterials that make civilization possible, starting with an agricultural  industry so productive that one farmer can grow enough to feed over a hundred other people. Freeing those other people to create, It would be extremly difficult to study dark matter or have a career as an engineer if you had to spend  most of your time finding enough food to liive on.

Gosh, REALLY...?
 
2013-06-13 02:56:59 PM  
Maybe boomers aren't quite so willing to retire to the evangelical conservative dystopia known as rural America as their parents were.  I'd go to Mexico before I'd live in Nebraska/Kansas/Alabamississippi/Idaho.
 
2013-06-13 03:07:56 PM  

Paul Baumer: Maybe boomers aren't quite so willing to retire to the evangelical conservative dystopia known as rural America as their parents were. I'd go to Mexico before I'd live in Nebraska/Kansas/Alabamississippi/Idaho.


Good, we don't need your obvious ignorance where we live anyway.
 
2013-06-13 03:30:29 PM  

HeadLever: Paul Baumer: Maybe boomers aren't quite so willing to retire to the evangelical conservative dystopia known as rural America as their parents were. I'd go to Mexico before I'd live in Nebraska/Kansas/Alabamississippi/Idaho.

Good, we don't need your obvious ignorance where we live anyway.


Given your declining tax base, aging population, and decreasing jobs, I'd say your whistling past the farking graveyard.  Enjoy your Wal-Mart gig.
 
2013-06-13 03:43:58 PM  

Kittypie070: amishkarl: ....However, without rural areas and the people who live and work there, there can be no cities, no fine arts, no science. The people in rural areas produce all the rawmaterials that make civilization possible, starting with an agricultural  industry so productive that one farmer can grow enough to feed over a hundred other people. Freeing those other people to create, It would be extremly difficult to study dark matter or have a career as an engineer if you had to spend  most of your time finding enough food to liive on.

Gosh, REALLY...?


Yes, really. So maybe stop with the "dumb, inbred hick" stuff?
 
2013-06-13 03:49:32 PM  

Paul Baumer: HeadLever: Paul Baumer: Maybe boomers aren't quite so willing to retire to the evangelical conservative dystopia known as rural America as their parents were. I'd go to Mexico before I'd live in Nebraska/Kansas/Alabamississippi/Idaho.

Good, we don't need your obvious ignorance where we live anyway.

Given your declining tax base, aging population, and decreasing jobs, I'd say your whistling past the farking graveyard.  Enjoy your Wal-Mart gig.


You quite literally need us more than we need you. Sure, our lives wouldn't be as nice without the products manufactured in the city, but you starve without the food from the rural areas. Also, produced in rural areas: metal ores, gravel and other aggregate products, coal, oil, natural gas, etc, lumber.
 
2013-06-13 03:54:13 PM  

amishkarl: Paul Baumer: HeadLever: Paul Baumer: Maybe boomers aren't quite so willing to retire to the evangelical conservative dystopia known as rural America as their parents were. I'd go to Mexico before I'd live in Nebraska/Kansas/Alabamississippi/Idaho.

Good, we don't need your obvious ignorance where we live anyway.

Given your declining tax base, aging population, and decreasing jobs, I'd say your whistling past the farking graveyard.  Enjoy your Wal-Mart gig.

You quite literally need us more than we need you. Sure, our lives wouldn't be as nice without the products manufactured in the city, but you starve without the food from the rural areas. Also, produced in rural areas: metal ores, gravel and other aggregate products, coal, oil, natural gas, etc, lumber.


We need your resources, and compliant state political regime to get them to us at the lowest possible cost.  The number of monkeys required to work the organ grinder is immaterial. What you have may have value, but nobody particularly wants to live there, and those that do get to spend their lives in thrall to your corporate overlords.  Keep using your water supplies for fracking and leveling your mountains - that's up to you, but nobody is in a hurry to join you.
 
2013-06-13 03:57:32 PM  

Paul Baumer: Enjoy your Wal-Mart gig.


Nearest Walmart is only about 120 miles away.  Pretty sure I won't be working there anytime soon.  We will run out of money in this rural area just about the time folks quit eating beef, stop buying lumber and quit using metals.
 
2013-06-13 04:00:07 PM  

Paul Baumer: What you have may have value, but nobody particularly wants to live there, and those that do get to spend their lives in thrall to your corporate overlords.


Lol, Want to know how I know you are completely ignorant about many of these areas?
 
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