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(Yahoo)   Article confirms two widely suspected beliefs from the 2012 NFL season: There was a reason the Rams were able to inexplicably out-play the 49er's, and Cortland Finnegan is a giant douche   (sports.yahoo.com) divider line 95
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2013-06-13 10:50:22 AM
Of course he is. He's the only person in the NFL who actually caused Andre Johnson to snap and utterly beat his ass into the ground.

thenewsportsguru.com
 
2013-06-13 11:29:59 AM
Whoops, guess we shouldn't have let Dahl get away and snitch.
 
2013-06-13 11:37:30 AM
so basically the rams did what every team in the history of ever does? hell studying game film made peyton manning's career
 
2013-06-13 11:43:41 AM
"As you can see, my young 49ers, your coaches have failed to disguise their plays. Now witness the firepower of this fully ARMED and OPERATIONAL defensive scheme!"

www.bloguin.com
 
2013-06-13 11:43:45 AM

scottydoesntknow: Of course he is. He's the only person in the NFL who actually caused Andre Johnson to snap and utterly beat his ass into the ground.

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This is the only thing I think about when I hear Cortland Finnegan.
 
2013-06-13 11:46:37 AM
Translation: The Rams watched game film and noticed some things. My God, what kind of wicked sorcery is this?
 
2013-06-13 11:48:47 AM

AdamK: so basically the rams did what every team in the history of ever does? hell studying game film made peyton manning's career


Pretty much.  It is a little odd to me that the Ram's were the only ones able to figure it out though.
 
2013-06-13 11:49:30 AM
Formally known as "Jon Gruden's path to the Super Bowl"
Currently known as the "hire Tim Tebow for OTAs and dump him after pre-season" strategy.
This is nothing new.

If you think the Texans aren't talking to Ed Reed and the Bengals aren't speaking with James Harrison, then you are crazy.
 
2013-06-13 11:52:09 AM

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: AdamK: so basically the rams did what every team in the history of ever does? hell studying game film made peyton manning's career

Pretty much.  It is a little odd to me that the Ram's were the only ones able to figure it out though.


Seems like the Ravens didn't have a problem with figuring it out.  Too bad about the blackout which allowed the 49ers to change their game play strategy.
 
2013-06-13 11:55:36 AM
You mean "Cortland innegan," Smitty.

/ Because Andre Johnson beat the F out of him
 
2013-06-13 11:58:24 AM
Oh, and is the "Featured Partner" links weren't annoying enough, there are not one but two featured partner links about JOHN STAMOS in my Fark Sports tab.
 
2013-06-13 11:58:59 AM
s/is/if/
 
2013-06-13 11:59:49 AM

The Smails Kid: You mean "Cortland innegan," Smitty.

/ Because Andre Johnson beat the F out of him


I like that.
 
2013-06-13 12:14:34 PM

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: AdamK: so basically the rams did what every team in the history of ever does? hell studying game film made peyton manning's career

Pretty much.  It is a little odd to me that the Ram's were the only ones able to figure it out though.


I dunno, the Seahawks did pretty well against the 49ers' offense, too. Our own offense sucked in the first game, but not so much in game 2.

/Sadly Cortland Finnegan is one of the smartest corners in the league
//realized that when he shoved a WR out of bounds after the QB broke pocket on a play - pissed the WR off, but made him an ineligible receiver and you're allowed to do that once the pocket is broken
 
2013-06-13 12:18:40 PM

IAmRight: I dunno, the Seahawks did pretty well against the 49ers' offense, too.


I'm really not surprised the other "best" defenses of the NFC West did really well against a division rival they get to play and study twice.

If anything, blame the 49ers for not adding enough new plays/formations if the Rams and Seahawks figured their sh*t out so well.
 
2013-06-13 12:24:25 PM
Article confirms two widely suspected beliefs from the 2012 NFL season: There was a reason the Rams were able to inexplicably out-play the 49er's, and Cortland Finnegan is a giant douche who writes at a 3rd grade level

Jesus. I know it's twitter, but use a damn comma.

// you know, that thing Andre Johnson nearly beat you into
 
2013-06-13 12:26:12 PM

The Smails Kid: You mean "Cortland innegan," Smitty.

/ Because Andre Johnson beat the F out of him


Well he obviously wasn't hit hard enough kos he's still in the damn league.
 
2013-06-13 12:30:29 PM

degenerate-afro: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: AdamK: so basically the rams did what every team in the history of ever does? hell studying game film made peyton manning's career

Pretty much.  It is a little odd to me that the Ram's were the only ones able to figure it out though.

Seems like the Ravens didn't have a problem with figuring it out.  Too bad about the blackout which allowed the 49ers to change their game play strategy.


Because their adjustments couldn't possibly have been made at Halftime which had pretty much just happened too...
 
2013-06-13 12:31:58 PM

IAmRight: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: AdamK: so basically the rams did what every team in the history of ever does? hell studying game film made peyton manning's career

Pretty much.  It is a little odd to me that the Ram's were the only ones able to figure it out though.

I dunno, the Seahawks did pretty well against the 49ers' offense, too. Our own offense sucked in the first game, but not so much in game 2.

/Sadly Cortland Finnegan is one of the smartest corners in the league
//realized that when he shoved a WR out of bounds after the QB broke pocket on a play - pissed the WR off, but made him an ineligible receiver and you're allowed to do that once the pocket is broken


Sherman does the same thing as soon as a QB breaks the pocket. Any good CB should dispatch a WR quickly as soon as the QB leaves the pocket. Any good WR should expect to get hit too.
 
2013-06-13 12:32:14 PM

IAmRight: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: AdamK: so basically the rams did what every team in the history of ever does? hell studying game film made peyton manning's career

Pretty much.  It is a little odd to me that the Ram's were the only ones able to figure it out though.

I dunno, the Seahawks did pretty well against the 49ers' offense, too. Our own offense sucked in the first game, but not so much in game 2.

/Sadly Cortland Finnegan is one of the smartest corners in the league
//realized that when he shoved a WR out of bounds after the QB broke pocket on a play - pissed the WR off, but made him an ineligible receiver and you're allowed to do that once the pocket is broken


See...but the Seahawks (and Ravens for the other guy who posted) have a good defense.  We are talking about the Rams here... Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to say anyone broke rules or anything shady at all went on.  It is just one of those things that makes me go "...really? Those guys figured it out? Weird..."

And yeah...Finnegan knows exactly what he does, and he is good at it.  He knows how to push buttons and get a (oftentimes illegal) reaction out of teh WR's he is up against.  And that is in addition to what you noted, which is that he knows the nuances of the rules applicable to his position, and has the alertness/presence-of-mind to know when he can take advantage of them.  It isn't gaming the system even...it is a legit strategy/skillset...but dammit if it isn't annoying and makes everyone NOT on his team (or their fans) hate his guts.
 
2013-06-13 12:35:44 PM

seumasokelly: Sherman does the same thing as soon as a QB breaks the pocket.


Yeah, but Sherman is also smarter than probably every corner in the league.

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: It isn't gaming the system even...it is a legit strategy/skillset...but dammit if it isn't annoying and makes everyone NOT on his team (or their fans) hate his guts.


BUT it's also the reason he has a job/gets paid what he does. I like a CB that is going to piss people off and take them out of their games and maybe draw some personal fouls. Especially if he's going to keep doing it even when it might get him punched.
 
2013-06-13 12:36:08 PM

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: And yeah...Finnegan knows exactly what he does, and he is good at it. He knows how to push buttons and get a (oftentimes illegal) reaction out of teh WR's he is up against. And that is in addition to what you noted, which is that he knows the nuances of the rules applicable to his position, and has the alertness/presence-of-mind to know when he can take advantage of them. It isn't gaming the system even...it is a legit strategy/skillset...but dammit if it isn't annoying and makes everyone NOT on his team (or their fans) hate his guts.


Ohh yea, no one's saying it isn't a legitimate strategy (get in your opponent's head and all that). But it also means no one will shed a tear when you get your ass beat for it.
 
2013-06-13 12:37:06 PM
BTW, the Rams had a pretty good defense last year. Top 10 via FootballOutsiders.
 
2013-06-13 12:41:24 PM

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: IAmRight: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: AdamK: so basically the rams did what every team in the history of ever does? hell studying game film made peyton manning's career

Pretty much.  It is a little odd to me that the Ram's were the only ones able to figure it out though.

I dunno, the Seahawks did pretty well against the 49ers' offense, too. Our own offense sucked in the first game, but not so much in game 2.

/Sadly Cortland Finnegan is one of the smartest corners in the league
//realized that when he shoved a WR out of bounds after the QB broke pocket on a play - pissed the WR off, but made him an ineligible receiver and you're allowed to do that once the pocket is broken

See...but the Seahawks (and Ravens for the other guy who posted) have a good defense.  We are talking about the Rams here... Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to say anyone broke rules or anything shady at all went on.  It is just one of those things that makes me go "...really? Those guys figured it out? Weird..."

And yeah...Finnegan knows exactly what he does, and he is good at it.  He knows how to push buttons and get a (oftentimes illegal) reaction out of teh WR's he is up against.  And that is in addition to what you noted, which is that he knows the nuances of the rules applicable to his position, and has the alertness/presence-of-mind to know when he can take advantage of them.  It isn't gaming the system even...it is a legit strategy/skillset...but dammit if it isn't annoying and makes everyone NOT on his team (or their fans) hate his guts.


I get that as a corner you have to be smarter and work the boundaries of the rules to get any sort of edge, with the way the rules are set up to favor the offense.  But other corners manage to do it without pissing off guys like Andre.  Innegan just comes off as a douche whenever he's on screen.
 
2013-06-13 12:42:06 PM

IAmRight: BTW, the Rams had a pretty good defense last year. Top 10 via FootballOutsiders.


In any other division, they're a playoff contender.
 
2013-06-13 12:42:30 PM
NFC West... best division in the NFL.
 
2013-06-13 12:50:28 PM

IAmRight: BTW, the Rams had a pretty good defense last year. Top 10 via FootballOutsiders.


They were surprisingly good, but a good defense is not necessarily an indicator of success these days.

The last seven Super Bowl winners have had some lackluster defensive rankings - 17th (BAL), 27th (NYG), 5th (GB), 25th (NO), 1st (PIT), 7th (NYG), 21st (IND).  Three good, one bad, and three in the dumpster.
 
2013-06-13 12:51:38 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: NFC West... best division in the NFL.


I know you're joking, but they are a LOT better than they were just a few years ago.
 
2013-06-13 12:55:24 PM

UNC_Samurai: But other corners manage to do it without pissing off guys like Andre.  Innegan just comes off as a douche whenever he's on screen.


Eh. From the Deadspin video, Johnson starts it by blocking from behind and getting away with it (nice to see that the official saw it but decided "nah, it's Andre Johnson!"), then his hands are every bit as much in Finnegan's face, he's just being a b*tch about it.

But hey, Johnson was a fantasy football star, so everyone slurps him and acts like he didn't do anything wrong.
 
2013-06-13 12:57:06 PM
Even with this 'tipping off', Dahl still couldn't tackle for shiat this year.  I will enjoy watching Tavon Austin run circles around him twice a year.
 
2013-06-13 12:58:35 PM

show me: Pray 4 Mojo: NFC West... best division in the NFL.

I know you're joking, but they are a LOT better than they were just a few years ago.


Why would he/she be joking? They are the best division in football. Maybe the AFC/NFC North are in there too, but I don't think they quite measure up. At least on paper, the trio of Seattle, SF & STL puts the NFC West ahead of any other division out there. Were you to pit the NFC West against any other division in football in a round-robin home & away tournament, I'd expect them to come out on top.
 
2013-06-13 01:11:17 PM

seumasokelly: show me: Pray 4 Mojo: NFC West... best division in the NFL.

I know you're joking, but they are a LOT better than they were just a few years ago.

Why would he/she be joking? They are the best division in football. Maybe the AFC/NFC North are in there too, but I don't think they quite measure up. At least on paper, the trio of Seattle, SF & STL puts the NFC West ahead of any other division out there. Were you to pit the NFC West against any other division in football in a round-robin home & away tournament, I'd expect them to come out on top.


Thank you.

And yes... they are the best Division in football AND most improved division in football

Look at this: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef

"Weighted Defense" rankings... the entire division is in the top 7. NFC West defenses are scary good...
 
2013-06-13 01:16:41 PM
It helps that the NFC West has become the most entertaining division in football too.
 
2013-06-13 01:20:15 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: seumasokelly: show me: Pray 4 Mojo: NFC West... best division in the NFL.

I know you're joking, but they are a LOT better than they were just a few years ago.

Why would he/she be joking? They are the best division in football. Maybe the AFC/NFC North are in there too, but I don't think they quite measure up. At least on paper, the trio of Seattle, SF & STL puts the NFC West ahead of any other division out there. Were you to pit the NFC West against any other division in football in a round-robin home & away tournament, I'd expect them to come out on top.

Thank you.

And yes... they are the best Division in football AND most improved division in football

Look at this: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef

"Weighted Defense" rankings... the entire division is in the top 7. NFC West defenses are scary good...


OK, I stand corrected. I am just not used to anyone saying anything good about the Rams. I appreciate the analysis and am more than happy to take back what I said.
 
2013-06-13 01:31:26 PM

show me: OK, I stand corrected. I am just not used to anyone saying anything good about the Rams. I appreciate the analysis and am more than happy to take back what I said.


It'd take me forever to find it, but I was saying that the NFCW was the best division in football in week 1 of last year, and people laughed.

Also, despite TFA, we need to keep in mind that the Seahawks and 49ers went 1-2-1 against the Rams last year.

seumasokelly: IAmRight: BTW, the Rams had a pretty good defense last year. Top 10 via FootballOutsiders.

In any other division, they're a playoff contender.


Sigh. I didn't think I'd ever want to be in any other division, but the until-recently-inept NFCW got really good, really fast.

/have 2 wildcards ever come from the same division?
 
2013-06-13 01:34:17 PM

show me: Pray 4 Mojo: seumasokelly: show me: Pray 4 Mojo: NFC West... best division in the NFL.

I know you're joking, but they are a LOT better than they were just a few years ago.

Why would he/she be joking? They are the best division in football. Maybe the AFC/NFC North are in there too, but I don't think they quite measure up. At least on paper, the trio of Seattle, SF & STL puts the NFC West ahead of any other division out there. Were you to pit the NFC West against any other division in football in a round-robin home & away tournament, I'd expect them to come out on top.

Thank you.

And yes... they are the best Division in football AND most improved division in football

Look at this: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef

"Weighted Defense" rankings... the entire division is in the top 7. NFC West defenses are scary good...

OK, I stand corrected. I am just not used to anyone saying anything good about the Rams. I appreciate the analysis and am more than happy to take back what I said.


Fisher has done a good job of changing the mentality of that team. They were a dumpster fire before he showed up. Had a bunch of talent, but their coaching situation was worse than terrible. I wouldn't be totally surprised if they finish with a better than .500 division record, considering their recent success against SF and their 1-1 against Seattle (albeit, in Russell Wilson's worst game last year). They could manage a playoff spot even if they finish 3rd.
 
2013-06-13 01:36:26 PM

show me: Pray 4 Mojo: seumasokelly: show me: Pray 4 Mojo: NFC West... best division in the NFL.

I know you're joking, but they are a LOT better than they were just a few years ago.

Why would he/she be joking? They are the best division in football. Maybe the AFC/NFC North are in there too, but I don't think they quite measure up. At least on paper, the trio of Seattle, SF & STL puts the NFC West ahead of any other division out there. Were you to pit the NFC West against any other division in football in a round-robin home & away tournament, I'd expect them to come out on top.

Thank you.

And yes... they are the best Division in football AND most improved division in football

Look at this: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef

"Weighted Defense" rankings... the entire division is in the top 7. NFC West defenses are scary good...

OK, I stand corrected. I am just not used to anyone saying anything good about the Rams. I appreciate the analysis and am more than happy to take back what I said.


Yay! I won!

Seriously... the hating on the NFC West is basically old perception because prolly not more than 4-5 years ago... they were awful and played a pretty "soft" style of football. All four head coach positions have been turned over since 2010 and with them came new philosophies...

ESPECIALLY with the Rams... That a-hole Courtland innegan is the prime example of how tough, hard nosed and dirty (yes, dirty) they have become. Just ask Kevin Kolb.

/Rams fan
 
2013-06-13 01:40:48 PM

The Smails Kid: You mean "Cortland innegan," Smitty.

/ Because Andre Johnson beat the F out of him


That's what I think of every time I hear his name, how much I laughed at such an honestly immature joke and how I don't mind, lol.
 
2013-06-13 01:44:31 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: show me: Pray 4 Mojo: seumasokelly: show me: Pray 4 Mojo: NFC West... best division in the NFL.

I know you're joking, but they are a LOT better than they were just a few years ago.

Why would he/she be joking? They are the best division in football. Maybe the AFC/NFC North are in there too, but I don't think they quite measure up. At least on paper, the trio of Seattle, SF & STL puts the NFC West ahead of any other division out there. Were you to pit the NFC West against any other division in football in a round-robin home & away tournament, I'd expect them to come out on top.

Thank you.

And yes... they are the best Division in football AND most improved division in football

Look at this: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef

"Weighted Defense" rankings... the entire division is in the top 7. NFC West defenses are scary good...

OK, I stand corrected. I am just not used to anyone saying anything good about the Rams. I appreciate the analysis and am more than happy to take back what I said.

Yay! I won!

Seriously... the hating on the NFC West is basically old perception because prolly not more than 4-5 years ago... they were awful and played a pretty "soft" style of football. All four head coach positions have been turned over since 2010 and with them came new philosophies...

ESPECIALLY with the Rams... That a-hole Courtland innegan is the prime example of how tough, hard nosed and dirty (yes, dirty) they have become. Just ask Kevin Kolb.

/Rams fan


Every team in the NFC West toes the line of overly physical/dirty play. Frankly, I prefer to have players who are cocky and physical, especially on defense. Having watched 10 years of "finesse" football as a Seattle fan, I'm over the moon that we now have a team that can bang with anyone and win.
 
2013-06-13 01:46:02 PM

grinding_journalist: Sigh. I didn't think I'd ever want to be in any other division, but the until-recently-inept NFCW got really good, really fast.


Ha!! I remember my feelings when the divisions were re-aligned. I figured the Rams were going to crush it for the next 5+ years getting 4 games against the Cardinals and Seahawks.

/I was wrong.
 
2013-06-13 01:58:47 PM

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: And yeah...Finnegan knows exactly what he does, and he is good at it. He knows how to push buttons and get a (oftentimes illegal) reaction out of teh WR's he is up against. And that is in addition to what you noted, which is that he knows the nuances of the rules applicable to his position, and has the alertness/presence-of-mind to know when he can take advantage of them. It isn't gaming the system even...it is a legit strategy/skillset...but dammit if it isn't annoying and makes everyone NOT on his team (or their fans) hate his guts.


I'm a Titans fan, and I was watching that game when the fight went down. And as a fan, watching the best defensive back on my team getting pummelled by the best WR in the division, I could only sit back and think "Well, it's not like he didn't have that ass-beating coming".

Just because a guy plays for your team, doesn't mean you always have to defend him.
 
2013-06-13 02:09:38 PM

Gonz: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: And yeah...Finnegan knows exactly what he does, and he is good at it. He knows how to push buttons and get a (oftentimes illegal) reaction out of teh WR's he is up against. And that is in addition to what you noted, which is that he knows the nuances of the rules applicable to his position, and has the alertness/presence-of-mind to know when he can take advantage of them. It isn't gaming the system even...it is a legit strategy/skillset...but dammit if it isn't annoying and makes everyone NOT on his team (or their fans) hate his guts.

I'm a Titans fan, and I was watching that game when the fight went down. And as a fan, watching the best defensive back on my team getting pummelled by the best WR in the division, I could only sit back and think "Well, it's not like he didn't have that ass-beating coming".

Just because a guy plays for your team, doesn't mean you always have to defend him.


Getting Andre Johnson so tightly wound up that he was more focused on beating his arse than winning the game was an A+ job.
 
2013-06-13 02:13:09 PM
The NFC West may be the best division in football.
 
2013-06-13 02:19:50 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: Gonz: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: And yeah...Finnegan knows exactly what he does, and he is good at it. He knows how to push buttons and get a (oftentimes illegal) reaction out of teh WR's he is up against. And that is in addition to what you noted, which is that he knows the nuances of the rules applicable to his position, and has the alertness/presence-of-mind to know when he can take advantage of them. It isn't gaming the system even...it is a legit strategy/skillset...but dammit if it isn't annoying and makes everyone NOT on his team (or their fans) hate his guts.

I'm a Titans fan, and I was watching that game when the fight went down. And as a fan, watching the best defensive back on my team getting pummelled by the best WR in the division, I could only sit back and think "Well, it's not like he didn't have that ass-beating coming".

Just because a guy plays for your team, doesn't mean you always have to defend him.

Getting Andre Johnson so tightly wound up that he was more focused on beating his arse than winning the game was an A+ job.


Umm it was 17-0 Texans when the fight happened (Johnson already had a TD). The entire Texans team could've focused on beating his ass and still win the game.
 
2013-06-13 02:20:07 PM

grinding_journalist: show me: OK, I stand corrected. I am just not used to anyone saying anything good about the Rams. I appreciate the analysis and am more than happy to take back what I said.

It'd take me forever to find it, but I was saying that the NFCW was the best division in football in week 1 of last year, and people laughed.

Also, despite TFA, we need to keep in mind that the Seahawks and 49ers went 1-2-1 against the Rams last year.

seumasokelly: IAmRight: BTW, the Rams had a pretty good defense last year. Top 10 via FootballOutsiders.

In any other division, they're a playoff contender.

Sigh. I didn't think I'd ever want to be in any other division, but the until-recently-inept NFCW got really good, really fast.

/have 2 wildcards ever come from the same division?


Since going to four divisions in each conference for the 2002 season, these are the times it has happened:

In 2006, the Cowboys and Giants were wildcards, Eagles won the division.
In 2007, the Jaguars and Titans were wildcards, Colts won the division.
In 2007, the Redskins and Giants were wildcards, Cowboys won the division.
In 2011, the Steelers and Bengals were wildcards, Ravenswon the division.
Prior to that, there were three wildcards, and it happened more often.
 
2013-06-13 02:26:02 PM

prickly pete v2: In 2006, the Cowboys and Giants were wildcards, Eagles won the division.
In 2007, the Jaguars and Titans were wildcards, Colts won the division.
In 2007, the Redskins and Giants were wildcards, Cowboys won the division.
In 2011, the Steelers and Bengals were wildcards, Ravenswon the division.
Prior to that, there were three wildcards, and it happened more often.


So my takeaway from this is:   A)  The NFC West ain't so unique.   B)  The balance of power shifts quite frequently from year-to-year.
 
2013-06-13 02:29:12 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: NFC West... best division in the NFL.


Yep. And in 5 years, back to the worst again. Yay parity.
 
2013-06-13 02:29:21 PM
The Rams have one of the best defensive lines in the league.
 
2013-06-13 02:44:50 PM

Slow To Return: The balance of power shifts quite frequently from year-to-year.


GASP

// more in football than the other major sports in terms of seasonal rankings, IIRC - probably due to a relatively small sample size
// though baseball - yes, that one - has (or at least had, until very recently) the highest turnover of playoff-to-nonplayoff teams
 
2013-06-13 02:48:15 PM

SlothB77: The NFC West may be the best division in football.


Last year maybe. They will be mediocre again this season or the next.
 
2013-06-13 02:49:48 PM

Dr Dreidel: // more in football than the other major sports in terms of seasonal rankings, IIRC - probably due to a relatively small sample size


Yea, because there's only 16 games, the outcome of a single game makes a significant difference in a division's overall winning percentage.  That, and the fact that parity has rendered the outcome of games no more reliable than that of coin flips.
 
2013-06-13 02:51:54 PM

Slow To Return: Yea, because there's only 16 games


I suppose I should amend this to say "52 non inter-division games" before some pedantic prick decides to take issue.
 
2013-06-13 03:05:01 PM

Dr Dreidel: // though baseball - yes, that one - has (or at least had, until very recently) the highest turnover of playoff-to-nonplayoff teams


A lot of that may be due to to MLB having the fewest number of teams (both overall and percentage of the league) making the playoffs. The disparity is even bigger if you don't feel that the Wild Card Play-in losers are truly "Playoff" teams.
 
2013-06-13 03:05:08 PM

js34603: Pray 4 Mojo: NFC West... best division in the NFL.

Yep. And in 5 years, back to the worst again. Yay parity.


Well... It's better than baseball where I know my team won't make the playoffs (or win a playoff series I guess) for the next 10 years.
 
2013-06-13 03:13:43 PM
This is why good teams have a coach who scouts his own team, to look for the same kind of tips and clues their opponents are trying to find.
 
2013-06-13 03:15:53 PM

Killer Cars: I'm really not surprised the other "best" defenses of the NF

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2013-06-13 03:20:35 PM

jedzz: Dr Dreidel: // though baseball - yes, that one - has (or at least had, until very recently) the highest turnover of playoff-to-nonplayoff teams

A lot of that may be due to to MLB having the fewest number of teams (both overall and percentage of the league) making the playoffs. The disparity is even bigger if you don't feel that the Wild Card Play-in losers are truly "Playoff" teams.


These stats were done before the play-in game became regular (which was only last year). I haven't seen them re-run since then.
 
2013-06-13 03:21:28 PM

IAmRight: seumasokelly: Sherman does the same thing as soon as a QB breaks the pocket.

Yeah, but Sherman is also smarter than probably every corner in the league.

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: It isn't gaming the system even...it is a legit strategy/skillset...but dammit if it isn't annoying and makes everyone NOT on his team (or their fans) hate his guts.

BUT it's also the reason he has a job/gets paid what he does. I like a CB that is going to piss people off and take them out of their games and maybe draw some personal fouls. Especially if he's going to keep doing it even when it might get him punched.


Youd be smart, too, if you took Adderall
 
2013-06-13 03:29:07 PM

kdawg7736: scottydoesntknow: Of course he is. He's the only person in the NFL who actually caused Andre Johnson to snap and utterly beat his ass into the ground.

[thenewsportsguru.com image 641x435]

This is the only thing I think about when I hear Cortland Finnegan.


That's definitely my favorite moment of his.  I also remember him running up and punching a Broncos' lineman in the back of the head after the guy lost his helmet.  That guy is a dirty biatch.  Psychopathic and cowardly is a terrible mix.
 
2013-06-13 03:29:24 PM

machoprogrammer: IAmRight: seumasokelly: Sherman does the same thing as soon as a QB breaks the pocket.

Yeah, but Sherman is also smarter than probably every corner in the league.

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: It isn't gaming the system even...it is a legit strategy/skillset...but dammit if it isn't annoying and makes everyone NOT on his team (or their fans) hate his guts.

BUT it's also the reason he has a job/gets paid what he does. I like a CB that is going to piss people off and take them out of their games and maybe draw some personal fouls. Especially if he's going to keep doing it even when it might get him punched.

Youd be smart, too, if you took Adderall


Working on your masters at Stanford is a good indication of intelligence too.
 
2013-06-13 03:29:55 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: hating on the NFC West is basically old perception because prolly not more than 4-5 years ago... they were awful and played a pretty "soft" style of football. All four head coach positions have been turned over since 2010 and with them came new philosophies...



I forget if it was 2012 or 2011, but I loved how in one of those seasons, the 49ers got out to a pretty good record, something like 9-1, 8-1, whatever, and people were like, "HURF HURF HURF well yeah, but, NFC West, LOLLEST LOL, soft teams out there, they're racking up cheap wins vs shiatty NFC West teams, paper tigers, weak division!"

Meanwhile, had those folks checked the 49ers opponents, they would have seen that the 49ers had only played one NFC West game.  Their schedule was backloaded as shiat with the NFC West.

cracked me up how they'd racked up "cheap wins vs. shiatty NFC West teams".....you know, those NFC West teams called, ohhhhhh, the Baltimore Ravens, the Cowboys, Eagles, Tampa Bay, Cleveland, etc.
 
2013-06-13 03:37:55 PM

seumasokelly: Working on your masters at Stanford is a good indication of intelligence too.



I think i've said this to you before, but, his "from now on, you refer to me as 'Stanford graduate and NFL Pro Bowler Richard Sherman', becuase I do things you can't and never will.  You fail at life, Skip" is one of the all-time extinction level event ownages.
 
2013-06-13 03:38:30 PM

rickythepenguin: Pray 4 Mojo: hating on the NFC West is basically old perception because prolly not more than 4-5 years ago... they were awful and played a pretty "soft" style of football. All four head coach positions have been turned over since 2010 and with them came new philosophies...


I forget if it was 2012 or 2011, but I loved how in one of those seasons, the 49ers got out to a pretty good record, something like 9-1, 8-1, whatever, and people were like, "HURF HURF HURF well yeah, but, NFC West, LOLLEST LOL, soft teams out there, they're racking up cheap wins vs shiatty NFC West teams, paper tigers, weak division!"

Meanwhile, had those folks checked the 49ers opponents, they would have seen that the 49ers had only played one NFC West game.  Their schedule was backloaded as shiat with the NFC West.

cracked me up how they'd racked up "cheap wins vs. shiatty NFC West teams".....you know, those NFC West teams called, ohhhhhh, the Baltimore Ravens, the Cowboys, Eagles, Tampa Bay, Cleveland, etc.


That was 2011. They opened the season against Seattle, and didn't play another division game until late November. I thought it was weird at the time too.

// Not to undermine your point, but the Niners lost to the Cowboys and Ravens.
 
2013-06-13 03:41:30 PM

jedzz: rickythepenguin: Pray 4 Mojo: hating on the NFC West is basically old perception because prolly not more than 4-5 years ago... they were awful and played a pretty "soft" style of football. All four head coach positions have been turned over since 2010 and with them came new philosophies...


I forget if it was 2012 or 2011, but I loved how in one of those seasons, the 49ers got out to a pretty good record, something like 9-1, 8-1, whatever, and people were like, "HURF HURF HURF well yeah, but, NFC West, LOLLEST LOL, soft teams out there, they're racking up cheap wins vs shiatty NFC West teams, paper tigers, weak division!"

Meanwhile, had those folks checked the 49ers opponents, they would have seen that the 49ers had only played one NFC West game.  Their schedule was backloaded as shiat with the NFC West.

cracked me up how they'd racked up "cheap wins vs. shiatty NFC West teams".....you know, those NFC West teams called, ohhhhhh, the Baltimore Ravens, the Cowboys, Eagles, Tampa Bay, Cleveland, etc.

That was 2011. They opened the season against Seattle, and didn't play another division game until late November. I thought it was weird at the time too.

// Not to undermine your point, but the Niners lost to the Cowboys and Ravens.


And one of those wins was against the Browns...who is no way resembled an NFL team.
 
2013-06-13 03:43:43 PM

jedzz: // Not to undermine your point, but the Niners lost to the Cowboys and Ravens.



yeah, they had a loss or two at midpoint, but it just cracked me up how at 4-1, 5-1, 6-2, 7-1, whatever, that was the refrain.  check the schedule much?
 
2013-06-13 03:44:42 PM

rickythepenguin: Pray 4 Mojo: hating on the NFC West is basically old perception because prolly not more than 4-5 years ago... they were awful and played a pretty "soft" style of football. All four head coach positions have been turned over since 2010 and with them came new philosophies...


I forget if it was 2012 or 2011, but I loved how in one of those seasons, the 49ers got out to a pretty good record, something like 9-1, 8-1, whatever, and people were like, "HURF HURF HURF well yeah, but, NFC West, LOLLEST LOL, soft teams out there, they're racking up cheap wins vs shiatty NFC West teams, paper tigers, weak division!"

Meanwhile, had those folks checked the 49ers opponents, they would have seen that the 49ers had only played one NFC West game.  Their schedule was backloaded as shiat with the NFC West.

cracked me up how they'd racked up "cheap wins vs. shiatty NFC West teams".....you know, those NFC West teams called, ohhhhhh, the Baltimore Ravens, the Cowboys, Eagles, Tampa Bay, Cleveland, etc.


Yep... 2011... it was Harbaugh's first season. IIRC they opened against SEA and didn't play another division game until they were 8-1.

Rams went 2-14 that season.
 
2013-06-13 03:47:20 PM

bluenote13: And one of those wins was against the Browns...who is no way resembled an NFL team.



i've never been to cleveland - have i ever even set foot in Ohio?  dunno.

but anywyas, it woudl be nice to see them Browns make the playoffs.  Or to see Cleveland win a championship.  You had those awesome late 90s Indians temas that were playoff regulars but just couldn't seal the deal, the whoel LeBron mess (but hey, you made the finals)......I can't think of the last time the Browns made the playoffs.

Didn't eric crouch take you there circa 2001?  before that I can only think of the days of those Donks / Browns playoff games.

/the ghost of Earnest Byner...
 
2013-06-13 03:49:36 PM

seumasokelly: IAmRight: BTW, the Rams had a pretty good defense last year. Top 10 via FootballOutsiders.

In any other division, they're a playoff contender.


WIth that passing offense in a "passing offense first" league and era?  I'm not seeing it.

In the playoffs last year, the passing DVOA of the teams in the Divisional Round was 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 10th, 14th and 15th.

15th was the Ravens and we all know how hot Flacco and the Ravens passing offense got in the playoffs.
14th was the Texans and their defense was 3rd best in the league.

I don't think you can have a Top 10 passing offense with Sam Bradford as your QB, especially with a bunch of 2nd and 3rd tier wideouts to throw to.
 
2013-06-13 03:50:52 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: Rams went 2-14 that season.



who'd they draft the following year?

not sure what to expect out of Arizona.  Every account is that Palmer is huckin the pill around pretty well, there's a nice chemistry said to be working offensively, but.....gaaah.  So many areas need not just improvement, but rapid improvment, with SFO and SEA in the fold.

/why yes, the Beanie Wells, Kevin Kolb, and Jon Skelton jerseys are 50% off at local sporting goods stores!  who woulda thunk it?
 
2013-06-13 03:51:12 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: Yep... 2011... it was Harbaugh's first season. IIRC they opened against SEA and didn't play another division game until they were 8-1.

Rams went 2-14 that season.


I see that I'm not needed here... but... just for fun... the Rams beat the Browns for 1 of their 2 wins.
 
2013-06-13 03:58:28 PM

rickythepenguin: Pray 4 Mojo: Rams went 2-14 that season.

who'd they draft the following year?


Greg Zuerlein... and he's farking awesome. Dude will have a 70 yard FG before the end of his career.

They traded down from the 2 spot... to 15 I think. Honestly... I don't think they did too well with that draft.
 
2013-06-13 03:59:14 PM

rickythepenguin: Didn't eric crouch take you there circa 2001?


Derek Anderson in 200...6?
 
2013-06-13 04:00:08 PM

Coach_J: seumasokelly: IAmRight: BTW, the Rams had a pretty good defense last year. Top 10 via FootballOutsiders.

In any other division, they're a playoff contender.

WIth that passing offense in a "passing offense first" league and era?  I'm not seeing it.

In the playoffs last year, the passing DVOA of the teams in the Divisional Round was 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 10th, 14th and 15th.

15th was the Ravens and we all know how hot Flacco and the Ravens passing offense got in the playoffs.
14th was the Texans and their defense was 3rd best in the league.

I don't think you can have a Top 10 passing offense with Sam Bradford as your QB, especially with a bunch of 2nd and 3rd tier wideouts to throw to.


The Seahawks did it with a rookie QB and a bunch of "2nd-3rd tier" receivers.
 
2013-06-13 04:02:06 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: Greg Zuerlein... and he's farking awesome. Dude will have a 70 yard FG before the end of his career.


Huh.

If you are a Rams fan, and you sound like one, The Sponge (SEA), netweavr (SFO), me (PHX) have had the running NFC West Charity Wager ofr i think 3 years now, but we've never (that I recall) had a Rams fan buy in.

rules are simple.  whoever wins the division gets I think $25 donated by the losers to the charity of the winner's choice.  so far, we've basically all won once and lost twice (yay American Indian College Fund, Seattle Children's Hospital, Bay Area Food Bank).

we have another 2-3 months to decide if we're doing it, but....yeah.  keep your eyes peeld for that.
 
2013-06-13 04:04:32 PM

Dr Dreidel: Derek Anderson in 200...6?


that's fine!  that's fine!  that's fine, that's fine.  That's fine!

(i didn't know that.  still 7 years ago, but....i didn't knwo that.)


rickythepenguin: rules are simple. whoever wins the division


and to be pedantic, in the event of a won/loss record tie, the rule is the winner is determiend by NFL rules.  whomever the NFL says wins the division, wins the bet.  Course that has never come up.
 
2013-06-13 04:17:38 PM

rickythepenguin: Pray 4 Mojo: Greg Zuerlein... and he's farking awesome. Dude will have a 70 yard FG before the end of his career.

Huh.

If you are a Rams fan, and you sound like one, The Sponge (SEA), netweavr (SFO), me (PHX) have had the running NFC West Charity Wager ofr i think 3 years now, but we've never (that I recall) had a Rams fan buy in.

rules are simple.  whoever wins the division gets I think $25 donated by the losers to the charity of the winner's choice.  so far, we've basically all won once and lost twice (yay American Indian College Fund, Seattle Children's Hospital, Bay Area Food Bank).

we have another 2-3 months to decide if we're doing it, but....yeah.  keep your eyes peeld for that.


I'll totally get in on that. My FARK attendance ebbs and flows with my work schedule... but there's EIP.

My Zuerlein comment was kind of a joke... he was taken pretty late. MFer can kick though. He missed one from 66 by a few feet...and it still hit halfway up the net.
 
2013-06-13 05:18:35 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: Yep... 2011... it was Harbaugh's first season. IIRC they opened against SEA and didn't play another division game until they were 8-1.

Rams went 2-14 that season.


While the Cardinals went 8-8 and Seahawks went 7-9. Yeah the NFC West was awesome that year!

/end sarcasm
 
2013-06-13 05:20:53 PM

UNC_Samurai: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: IAmRight: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: AdamK: so basically the rams did what every team in the history of ever does? hell studying game film made peyton manning's career

Pretty much.  It is a little odd to me that the Ram's were the only ones able to figure it out though.

I dunno, the Seahawks did pretty well against the 49ers' offense, too. Our own offense sucked in the first game, but not so much in game 2.

/Sadly Cortland Finnegan is one of the smartest corners in the league
//realized that when he shoved a WR out of bounds after the QB broke pocket on a play - pissed the WR off, but made him an ineligible receiver and you're allowed to do that once the pocket is broken

See...but the Seahawks (and Ravens for the other guy who posted) have a good defense.  We are talking about the Rams here... Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to say anyone broke rules or anything shady at all went on.  It is just one of those things that makes me go "...really? Those guys figured it out? Weird..."

And yeah...Finnegan knows exactly what he does, and he is good at it.  He knows how to push buttons and get a (oftentimes illegal) reaction out of teh WR's he is up against.  And that is in addition to what you noted, which is that he knows the nuances of the rules applicable to his position, and has the alertness/presence-of-mind to know when he can take advantage of them.  It isn't gaming the system even...it is a legit strategy/skillset...but dammit if it isn't annoying and makes everyone NOT on his team (or their fans) hate his guts.

I get that as a corner you have to be smarter and work the boundaries of the rules to get any sort of edge, with the way the rules are set up to favor the offense.  But other corners manage to do it without pissing off guys like Andre.  Innegan just comes off as a douche whenever he's on screen.


He got one of the best offensive weapons in the game kicked out of that game. If he was on your team you'd love him.
 
2013-06-13 05:50:22 PM

rickythepenguin: Pray 4 Mojo: hating on the NFC West is basically old perception because prolly not more than 4-5 years ago... they were awful and played a pretty "soft" style of football. All four head coach positions have been turned over since 2010 and with them came new philosophies...


I forget if it was 2012 or 2011, but I loved how in one of those seasons, the 49ers got out to a pretty good record, something like 9-1, 8-1, whatever, and people were like, "HURF HURF HURF well yeah, but, NFC West, LOLLEST LOL, soft teams out there, they're racking up cheap wins vs shiatty NFC West teams, paper tigers, weak division!"

Meanwhile, had those folks checked the 49ers opponents, they would have seen that the 49ers had only played one NFC West game.  Their schedule was backloaded as shiat with the NFC West.

cracked me up how they'd racked up "cheap wins vs. shiatty NFC West teams".....you know, those NFC West teams called, ohhhhhh, the Baltimore Ravens, the Cowboys, Eagles, Tampa Bay, Cleveland, etc.


The 49ers lost to the Ravens (the Thanksgiving game aka the original Harbowl) and the Cowboys that year.  They beat "the dream team" Eagles, but so did everyone else.

Honestly, they were facing crap opponents that entire year.
 
2013-06-13 06:02:55 PM

degenerate-afro: rickythepenguin: Pray 4 Mojo: hating on the NFC West is basically old perception because prolly not more than 4-5 years ago... they were awful and played a pretty "soft" style of football. All four head coach positions have been turned over since 2010 and with them came new philosophies...


I forget if it was 2012 or 2011, but I loved how in one of those seasons, the 49ers got out to a pretty good record, something like 9-1, 8-1, whatever, and people were like, "HURF HURF HURF well yeah, but, NFC West, LOLLEST LOL, soft teams out there, they're racking up cheap wins vs shiatty NFC West teams, paper tigers, weak division!"

Meanwhile, had those folks checked the 49ers opponents, they would have seen that the 49ers had only played one NFC West game.  Their schedule was backloaded as shiat with the NFC West.

cracked me up how they'd racked up "cheap wins vs. shiatty NFC West teams".....you know, those NFC West teams called, ohhhhhh, the Baltimore Ravens, the Cowboys, Eagles, Tampa Bay, Cleveland, etc.

The 49ers lost to the Ravens (the Thanksgiving game aka the original Harbowl) and the Cowboys that year.  They beat "the dream team" Eagles, but so did everyone else.

Honestly, they were facing crap opponents that entire year.


Okay, I looked it over for S&Gs.  Here goes your high quality 49ers wins (quality wins in Bold):
Seahawks (7-9) x2
Rams (2-14) x2
Kevin Kolb & Larry Fitzgerald (8-8)
John Beck / Rex Grossman Redskins (5-11)
Rookie A.J.Green / Andy Dalton Bengals (9-7)
Super Bowl Champ Giants (9-7)

The Cleveland Steamers (4-12)
Pittsburgh Steelers (12-4)
Stafford Megatron and Suh (10-6)


So out of 13 wins, 4 came against quality teams.

Honestly the Giants were struggling with injuries during the regular season which is the reason why the 49ers won that game, but a win against the eventual champs should count as a quality win no matter the circumstances.
 
2013-06-13 06:13:04 PM

umad: Pray 4 Mojo: Yep... 2011... it was Harbaugh's first season. IIRC they opened against SEA and didn't play another division game until they were 8-1.

Rams went 2-14 that season.

While the Cardinals went 8-8 and Seahawks went 7-9. Yeah the NFC West was awesome that year!

/end sarcasm


It's not 2011 anymore.
 
2013-06-13 06:52:53 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: umad: Pray 4 Mojo: Yep... 2011... it was Harbaugh's first season. IIRC they opened against SEA and didn't play another division game until they were 8-1.

Rams went 2-14 that season.

While the Cardinals went 8-8 and Seahawks went 7-9. Yeah the NFC West was awesome that year!

/end sarcasm

It's not 2011 anymore.


You don't say! The OP was about how the NFC West wasn't weak in 2011:

rickythepenguin: I forget if it was 2012 or 2011, but I loved how in one of those seasons, the 49ers got out to a pretty good record, something like 9-1, 8-1, whatever, and people were like, "HURF HURF HURF well yeah, but, NFC West, LOLLEST LOL, soft teams out there, they're racking up cheap wins vs shiatty NFC West teams, paper tigers, weak division!"

 
2013-06-13 07:03:36 PM

seumasokelly: Coach_J: seumasokelly: IAmRight: BTW, the Rams had a pretty good defense last year. Top 10 via FootballOutsiders.

In any other division, they're a playoff contender.

WIth that passing offense in a "passing offense first" league and era?  I'm not seeing it.

In the playoffs last year, the passing DVOA of the teams in the Divisional Round was 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 10th, 14th and 15th.

15th was the Ravens and we all know how hot Flacco and the Ravens passing offense got in the playoffs.
14th was the Texans and their defense was 3rd best in the league.

I don't think you can have a Top 10 passing offense with Sam Bradford as your QB, especially with a bunch of 2nd and 3rd tier wideouts to throw to.

The Seahawks did it with a rookie QB and a bunch of "2nd-3rd tier" receivers.


So your point is that Sam Bradford sucks because a rookie QB in a similar situation had a year Bradford hasn't shown ever?

Cause that's kinda my point.
 
2013-06-13 07:11:04 PM

Coach_J: seumasokelly: Coach_J: seumasokelly: IAmRight: BTW, the Rams had a pretty good defense last year. Top 10 via FootballOutsiders.

In any other division, they're a playoff contender.

WIth that passing offense in a "passing offense first" league and era?  I'm not seeing it.

In the playoffs last year, the passing DVOA of the teams in the Divisional Round was 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 10th, 14th and 15th.

15th was the Ravens and we all know how hot Flacco and the Ravens passing offense got in the playoffs.
14th was the Texans and their defense was 3rd best in the league.

I don't think you can have a Top 10 passing offense with Sam Bradford as your QB, especially with a bunch of 2nd and 3rd tier wideouts to throw to.

The Seahawks did it with a rookie QB and a bunch of "2nd-3rd tier" receivers.

So your point is that Sam Bradford sucks because a rookie QB in a similar situation had a year Bradford hasn't shown ever?

Cause that's kinda my point.


I think Bradford is good enough to get it done. That team is turningit around and I think he'll be able to win games for them.
 
2013-06-13 07:22:43 PM

degenerate-afro: Honestly the Giants were struggling with injuries during the regular season which is the reason why the 49ers won that game, but a win against the eventual champs should count as a quality win no matter the circumstances.


ehh....if you want to bust out the 20/20 hindsight-o-meter, keep in mind a very questionable "cruz gave himself up" call (cardinals), had the refs not stepped on their dick and rueld that a fumble, YOURRRRRRRRRRR New York Football Giants finish 8-8 and I'm guessing don't make the playoffs, and the migthy Arizona Cardinals go 9-7.  they ruled Cruz gave himself up (when did tripping on your own feet become giving yourself up), meaning no fumble (Peterson recovered the ball, but due to the ruling, Giants held possession, next play Eli throws a game winning TD with like 2 minutes left).
 
2013-06-13 07:32:42 PM

umad: You don't say! The OP was about how the NFC West wasn't weak in 2011:


Umad?

The OP was about how "everybody" was saying the 49ers had cruised to an easy 7-1(ish) record because the NFC West sucked. Yet... they had only played one NFC West game in the first half of the season. That's different.

Also... the NFC West in total wasn't all that bad in 2011... it was the horrible, horrible Rams that screwed the curve for the other three teams.
 
2013-06-13 09:01:32 PM
headline fail
 
2013-06-13 10:01:46 PM

The Smails Kid: You mean "Cortland innegan," Smitty.

/ Because Andre Johnson beat the F out of him


I always smile at that joke.
 
2013-06-13 11:13:12 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: Umad?


Dawww. The widdle baby made a funny. You're so precious.

/and witty
//bet it only took you an hour to come up with that hi-LARIOUS joke
 
2013-06-14 12:02:29 AM

umad: You don't say! The OP was about how the NFC West wasn't weak in 2011:


No, the OP was about how people used the West to degrade the 49ers record despite the fact that the 49ers hadn't played 5/6 of their West schedule.
 
2013-06-14 08:56:56 AM

seumasokelly: Coach_J: seumasokelly: Coach_J: seumasokelly: IAmRight: BTW, the Rams had a pretty good defense last year. Top 10 via FootballOutsiders.

In any other division, they're a playoff contender.

WIth that passing offense in a "passing offense first" league and era?  I'm not seeing it.

In the playoffs last year, the passing DVOA of the teams in the Divisional Round was 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 10th, 14th and 15th.

15th was the Ravens and we all know how hot Flacco and the Ravens passing offense got in the playoffs.
14th was the Texans and their defense was 3rd best in the league.

I don't think you can have a Top 10 passing offense with Sam Bradford as your QB, especially with a bunch of 2nd and 3rd tier wideouts to throw to.

The Seahawks did it with a rookie QB and a bunch of "2nd-3rd tier" receivers.

So your point is that Sam Bradford sucks because a rookie QB in a similar situation had a year Bradford hasn't shown ever?

Cause that's kinda my point.

I think Bradford is good enough to get it done. That team is turningit around and I think he'll be able to win games for them.


You might very well be right...he's never really had a "go to" wideout like a lot of greats have had, I wonder how much his poor supporting cast has hurt him...but I think his final year of his rookie contract is up after this year...could be for some interesting negotiations for a QB who has never scratched the top half of the positional rankings.

They are clearly improving...Fisher is a great coach...he's a dirty great coach, but he worked miracles down in Nashville with many times a depleted roster...and he seems to get a lot out of headcases.
 
2013-06-14 11:44:22 AM

Coach_J: but I think his final year of his rookie contract is up after this year...could be for some interesting negotiations for a QB who has never scratched the top half of the positional rankings.


Should definitely be interesting to see what happens with the guys that got their first contracts in the times of ridiculous rookie inflation and have been about as "well, we can't really tell..." as Bradford has been. He's definitely not worth what he's making...but would they replace him, given all the time they've sunken into him and the lack of help he's had anywhere except RB?
 
2013-06-14 11:46:49 AM

Coach_J: You might very well be right...he's never really had a "go to" wideout like a lot of greats have had, I wonder how much his poor supporting cast has hurt him...but I think his final year of his rookie contract is up after this year...could be for some interesting negotiations for a QB who has never scratched the top half of the positional rankings.


I think this is the last year for excuses for Bradford. He has gotten progressively better and was middle of the pack last season with a depleted OL and WR corps.

The Rams will be leaning on him hard this season with the departure of Jackson. I think he can still be very good... but probably not great.

Football needs to start in June... I'm getting twitchy.
 
2013-06-14 11:52:57 AM

Pray 4 Mojo: Football needs to start in June... I'm getting twitchy.


Oh, and this is where I usually point out that the AFL is heading into the playoff stretch right now and that there should be a great game between the No. 1 and No. 2 teams in the league this weekend (Arizona and Spokane) - available online at cox7.com (they do free HD streaming that's more reliable than the league's site.)

Also, the CFL has already started a couple of preseason games and will have their regular season under way by the end of the month - if you want to watch football, it's around. You'll just have to be willing to deal with some different rules. But if you're ACTUALLY getting twitchy, it's an acceptable substitute. Might even recognize some names from college ball.
 
2013-06-14 12:38:31 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: Football needs to start in June... I'm getting twitchy.



i drove by the Cardinals training complex  a couple of days ago, and was thrilled to see about 80-90 dudes in uniform practicing. HELL YEAH!

/granted, half of them won't be here come September, but still
 
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