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2013-06-13 11:24:54 AM  
With Minnesota's state income tax rate, he'd be getting about 6 million dollars less than the 76 Mil they offered.  Florida has no state income tax, but even considering that, the Dolphins gave Wallace about 10 million less than the Vikings would have over the life of the contract.  Since NFL contracts are all about guaranteed money, I'm assuming Miami offerred much more up front.  I imagine he'll probably get cut in year 4 of the deal to make cap space anyway.
 
2013-06-13 11:32:56 AM  
Since the Vikings are a playoff team and the Dolphins aren't, that seems like a bit of a reach, subs.
 
2013-06-13 11:36:46 AM  
Steelers fan here...I still don't think he is worth the money the Dolphins signed him to. We shall see if he is one of those few successful wide receivers that do well after leaving the Steelers. Santonio is OK but not elite and Wallace has dropped a few big ones here and there.
 
2013-06-13 11:45:14 AM  
Considering the Vikings will probably get the same or better production from old man Jennings, not to mention leadership (which as far as I can tell Wallace doesn't offer in the least), I'd say they came out ok.
If the Steelers couldn't even keep the guy in line, the Dolphins will have a very tough time doing so.
 
2013-06-13 11:52:14 AM  

Super Chronic: Since the Vikings are a playoff team and the Dolphins aren't, that seems like a bit of a reach, subs.


Farkn Yaj Yenrac: Considering the Vikings will probably get the same or better production from old man Jennings, not to mention leadership (which as far as I can tell Wallace doesn't offer in the least), I'd say they came out ok.
If the Steelers couldn't even keep the guy in line, the Dolphins will have a very tough time doing so.


Both of these. This report is really old too, not sure why it's presented as something knew. He went to Miami because of the weather. The dolphins blow chunks and their coach is terrible. They have next to 0% chance to even make it to the superbowl. Anyone who saw hard knocks last year knows this.
 
2013-06-13 12:12:42 PM  
Wallace said he chose the up-and-coming Dolphins for the chance to win a Super Bowl ring sooner.

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2013-06-13 12:24:39 PM  
I don't get the dead part
 
2013-06-13 12:31:16 PM  
The Vikings got a better deal with Jennings. Wallace can have the Dolphins.
 
2013-06-13 12:38:56 PM  

dwade: I don't get the dead part


 Myron Leon Wallace
 
2013-06-13 12:56:43 PM  

DoblerMeyer: With Minnesota's state income tax rate, he'd be getting about 6 million dollars less than the 76 Mil they offered.  Florida has no state income tax, but even considering that, the Dolphins gave Wallace about 10 million less than the Vikings would have over the life of the contract.  Since NFL contracts are all about guaranteed money, I'm assuming Miami offerred much more up front.  I imagine he'll probably get cut in year 4 of the deal to make cap space anyway.


It's also a case of living in Minnesota versus Miami.

/They don't exactly like players runnin' through the okra patch in the Twin Cities these days.
 
2013-06-13 12:59:27 PM  

dwade: I don't get the dead part


Super Chronic: Since the Vikings are a playoff team and the Dolphins aren't, that seems like a bit of a reach, subs.


Wikipedia is your friend
 
2013-06-13 01:03:10 PM  

dwade: I don't get the dead part


"All this and Andy Rooney, next on The NFL Today!"
 
2013-06-13 01:21:46 PM  

Farkn Yaj Yenrac: Considering the Vikings will probably get the same or better production from old man Jennings, not to mention leadership (which as far as I can tell Wallace doesn't offer in the least), I'd say they came out ok.


How did you come to your conclusion about Wallace's leadership? The article mentions that he's stepping into the role with a QB younger than him.

/no dog in this fight; just curious
 
2013-06-13 01:26:58 PM  
Yes subby, the Vikings sucked all the way into the playoffs last year

//Vikings fan
 
2013-06-13 01:55:59 PM  

Incorrigible Astronaut: dwade: I don't get the dead part

Super Chronic: Since the Vikings are a playoff team and the Dolphins aren't, that seems like a bit of a reach, subs.

Wikipedia is your friend


Yes, I understood the Mike Wallace reference and nothing in my post suggested otherwise.  I was referring to the "Vikings are so bad" part of the headline.  The reading comprehension guide is your friend.
 
2013-06-13 02:05:30 PM  
Also because Ponder can't throw the ball more than 20 yards downfield, and Wallace is basically the Rex Grossman of receivers.
 
2013-06-13 02:27:49 PM  
Remember how the Lions went 10-6 and got embarrassed in the Wild Card round a couple years ago to a team that won the Super Bowl a couple years earlier and lost its first playoff game the next year? Remember how they did last year?

Yeah, that's about what's going to happen with the Vikings.

/even Vikings fans have to know they got that 10-6 with smoke and mirrors and they're not nearly that good a team
 
2013-06-13 02:38:29 PM  

IAmRight: /even Vikings fans have to know they got that 10-6 with smoke and mirrors and they're not nearly that good a team


Super Bowls have been won with less.
 
2013-06-13 02:48:17 PM  

IAmRight: Remember how the Lions went 10-6 and got embarrassed in the Wild Card round a couple years ago to a team that won the Super Bowl a couple years earlier and lost its first playoff game the next year? Remember how they did last year?

Yeah, that's about what's going to happen with the Vikings.

/even Vikings fans have to know they got that 10-6 with smoke and mirrors and they're not nearly that good a team


The Vikings aren't quite the dysfunctional organization that is the Lions.
 
2013-06-13 02:57:14 PM  
Vikings aka perennial losers, aka will find a way to lose.

/lifelong fan by proximity/geography
 
2013-06-13 02:57:23 PM  
IAmRight:  they got that 10-6 with smoke and mirrors

I don't know what that means.  Down the stretch they clinched the playoff berth by winning vs. Chicago, at St. Louis, at Houston and vs. Green Bay, and they did it without their #1 receiver.  Earlier in the season they beat the Niners convincingly.  Four of their six losses were against playoff teams, three of those on the road.  They had a positive point differential overall and were above-average in DVOA for the season.  Having the best individual player in the league certainly goes a long way.

I'm adopting the Vikings as a team I like.  I was a Vikings hater for many years (because of Hutchinson, as well as this one douchebag fan I used to know) but I'm burying the hatchet.  I had an epiphany watching them in that final regular season game against the Packers: "holy shiat, I'm rooting for the wrong team here."  Still a Seahawks fan, but I want the Vikings to win the North.
 
2013-06-13 03:01:26 PM  

Super Chronic: IAmRight:  they got that 10-6 with smoke and mirrors

I don't know what that means.  Down the stretch they clinched the playoff berth by winning vs. Chicago, at St. Louis, at Houston and vs. Green Bay, and they did it without their #1 receiver.  Earlier in the season they beat the Niners convincingly.  Four of their six losses were against playoff teams, three of those on the road.  They had a positive point differential overall and were above-average in DVOA for the season.  Having the best individual player in the league certainly goes a long way.

I'm adopting the Vikings as a team I like.  I was a Vikings hater for many years (because of Hutchinson, as well as this one douchebag fan I used to know) but I'm burying the hatchet.  I had an epiphany watching them in that final regular season game against the Packers: "holy shiat, I'm rooting for the wrong team here."  Still a Seahawks fan, but I want the Vikings to win the North.


As a Seahawks-liking Vikings fan born near sea-tac, I say "cool."
 
2013-06-13 03:02:20 PM  

IAmRight: even Vikings fans have to know they got that 10-6 with smoke and mirrors and they're not nearly that good a team


I'll admit I thought they were a 7-9 team last year.
 
2013-06-13 03:02:58 PM  

kdawg7736: Steelers fan here...I still don't think he is worth the money the Dolphins signed him to. We shall see if he is one of those few successful wide receivers that do well after leaving the Steelers. Santonio is OK but not elite and Wallace has dropped a few big ones here and there.


The feeling I got from watching him in interviews is that he's roughly the same intelligence as JaWalrus, or a random bag of doorknobs.  Add in how poorly he played after his holdout and I'd say he's a moody jackass who will get pouty if Tannehill has a sophomore slump.
 
2013-06-13 03:14:14 PM  

Super Chronic: IAmRight:  they got that 10-6 with smoke and mirrors

I don't know what that means.  Down the stretch they clinched the playoff berth by winning vs. Chicago, at St. Louis, at Houston and vs. Green Bay, and they did it without their #1 receiver.  Earlier in the season they beat the Niners convincingly.  Four of their six losses were against playoff teams, three of those on the road.  They had a positive point differential overall and were above-average in DVOA for the season.  Having the best individual player in the league certainly goes a long way.

I'm adopting the Vikings as a team I like.  I was a Vikings hater for many years (because of Hutchinson, as well as this one douchebag fan I used to know) but I'm burying the hatchet.  I had an epiphany watching them in that final regular season game against the Packers: "holy shiat, I'm rooting for the wrong team here."  Still a Seahawks fan, but I want the Vikings to win the North.


There seems to be some mutual team appreciation in this thread.

/Vikings fan who admires the Seahawks
//Kindred spirits in being losers for so long?
///Fail Mary against the Packers doesn't hurt either
 
2013-06-13 03:30:38 PM  

IAmRight: /even Vikings fans have to know they got that 10-6 with smoke and mirrors and they're not nearly that good a team


Depends. last year I thought we'd be 7-9 at best. that's because I thought AP would take 6 or so games before he'd even really see the field, we had a rookie PK, our O-line had been suspect besides our center, we only had Percy at WR and our Saftey's were god frickin awful.

AP played effectively from game 1, our rookie PK went on to break NFL records, drafting that left tackle #4 was perfect (since it allowed Johnson to move to tackle and therefore give us 4 OLinemen out of 5 who were solid/to-really-good out the gate) , and Harrison Smith became a game changing saftey for us.

Even more importantly, we stayed pretty healthy all year long. All the youngins we needed to steup did AND none of them missed significant time.

So for THIS year...

Plus: An all planet RB, a top 10 O-Line, a legit #1 receiver, a top 5 D-line, 2 young and absolutley solid safteys (1 of which had 2 game changing INT's for TD last year). Pro Bowl pass-catching TE.

Average: 2 solid LB's.

Awful: Every other WR and LB on the roster.

Question marks: Young, tall, fast and physical CBs who will have to be real good, real fast. Christian Ponder. Biggest and most important question mark on the entire team. Is he the first 6 games Ponder? The next 5 games Ponder or the last 3 games Ponder?

I am thinking 8-8 if Ponder doesn;t step up. Possible 11-5 if he does.
 
2013-06-13 04:05:38 PM  

Super Chronic: I'm adopting the Vikings as a team I like.  I was a Vikings hater for many years (because of Hutchinson, as well as this one douchebag fan I used to know) but I'm burying the hatchet.  I had an epiphany watching them in that final regular season game against the Packers: "holy shiat, I'm rooting for the wrong team here."  Still a Seahawks fan, but I want the Vikings to win the North.


I don't hate 'em...it's just that their success from last year is probably unsustainable. I guess we'll see if Jennings is a great WR or if the fact that Green Bay had two consecutive HoFers at QB made him look good, though.
 
2013-06-13 04:34:30 PM  

IAmRight: Super Chronic: I'm adopting the Vikings as a team I like.  I was a Vikings hater for many years (because of Hutchinson, as well as this one douchebag fan I used to know) but I'm burying the hatchet.  I had an epiphany watching them in that final regular season game against the Packers: "holy shiat, I'm rooting for the wrong team here."  Still a Seahawks fan, but I want the Vikings to win the North.

I don't hate 'em...it's just that their success from last year is probably unsustainable. I guess we'll see if Jennings is a great WR or if the fact that Green Bay had two consecutive HoFers at QB made him look good, though.


Favre... Who's the other one?
 
2013-06-13 04:38:00 PM  

digistil: Favre... Who's the other one?


The one with the best passer rating in NFL history. You know, the one with the Super Bowl MVP award. Maybe the one with the NFL record for best passer rating in a season.

You know, the guy who throws for 4200 yards, 39 TD, and 8 INT behind a crappy offensive line with no run game to help offset the rush and everyone asks "what's wrong with him this year? He's not doing as well."
 
2013-06-13 05:00:15 PM  
He signed with Miami because, after practice and games, it is more fun hanging out on South Beach than at the Mall of America.
 
2013-06-13 05:02:04 PM  
ESPN has the Vikings ranked 17th and the Fins 18th.
 
2013-06-13 05:04:24 PM  

Farkn Yaj Yenrac: Considering the Vikings will probably get the same or better production from old man Jennings, not to mention leadership (which as far as I can tell Wallace doesn't offer in the least), I'd say they came out ok.
If the Steelers couldn't even keep the guy in line, the Dolphins will have a very tough time doing so.


verbaltoxin: The Vikings got a better deal with Jennings. Wallace can have the Dolphins.


I call BS.  Ask yourself this question.  If both Wallace and Jennings are on the board in your FF draft which one would you pick?  QED.
 
2013-06-13 05:13:09 PM  

skrame: Farkn Yaj Yenrac: Considering the Vikings will probably get the same or better production from old man Jennings, not to mention leadership (which as far as I can tell Wallace doesn't offer in the least), I'd say they came out ok.

How did you come to your conclusion about Wallace's leadership? The article mentions that he's stepping into the role with a QB younger than him.

/no dog in this fight; just curious


Just because he is trying to step into the role doesn't necessarily mean he will be successful at doing so. Time will tell.

As for the past: The holdout last year, followed by a bit of a no-show during the season indicates that he is at least somewhat selfish. Before that he hadn't exactly been known as a leader, either.
 
2013-06-13 05:38:14 PM  

FriarReb98: kdawg7736: Steelers fan here...I still don't think he is worth the money the Dolphins signed him to. We shall see if he is one of those few successful wide receivers that do well after leaving the Steelers. Santonio is OK but not elite and Wallace has dropped a few big ones here and there.

The feeling I got from watching him in interviews is that he's roughly the same intelligence as JaWalrus, or a random bag of doorknobs.  Add in how poorly he played after his holdout and I'd say he's a moody jackass who will get pouty if Tannehill has a sophomore slump.


Good point. He is going to have to do a lot to prove me wrong.
 
2013-06-13 06:17:42 PM  
IAmRight: /even Vikings fans have to know they got that 10-6 with smoke and mirrors and they're not nearly that good a team
=============================================================

The Vikings went 10-6 with a quarterback who was epically and historically bad.

If they can get Ponder to not suck donkey turds or get another quarterback that doesn't suck donkey turds, they'll be a force to be reckoned with.

/Give Favre this great team instead of the crapfest he had his second year there (because of injuries), and you'll have a super bowl contender on your hands.
 
2013-06-13 06:28:49 PM  
I think one of the main reasons Wallace went to Miami was the weather.  After this season, the Vikings are going to play outdoors for a couple of years while their new stadium is being built.  So think about that; you now have 8 home games outdoors, with the chance that the last few could be mighty dang cold.  Plus you get to play outdoors at Lambeau and Soldier fields.  So now a player is looking at a potential long stretch of outdoor, cold weather games vs. playing in Miami.  Even assuming that both teams will have similar records, why not go for the nicer weather?

I'm a Vikings fan, and am okay with not getting Wallace.  Especially when you think how much the Vikings offered to get him.  I would rather the team use that money to rebuild our aging defensive line over the next couple of years.
 
2013-06-13 09:09:29 PM  

kdawg7736: Steelers fan here...I still don't think he is worth the money the Dolphins signed him to. We shall see if he is one of those few successful wide receivers that do well after leaving the Steelers. Santonio is OK but not elite and Wallace has dropped a few big ones here and there.


A few big ones?

He dropped alot of big ones. Frankly, I was hoping they were going to trade him for some draft picks before he jumped ship as a free agent.
 
2013-06-13 09:41:25 PM  

Dr J Zoidberg: Yes subby, the Vikings sucked all the way into the playoffs last year

//Vikings fan


The Vikings have sucked EVERY YEAR they've been in the playoffs.  No trophy for you!
 
2013-06-14 01:37:44 AM  

relaxitsjustme: Farkn Yaj Yenrac: Considering the Vikings will probably get the same or better production from old man Jennings, not to mention leadership (which as far as I can tell Wallace doesn't offer in the least), I'd say they came out ok.
If the Steelers couldn't even keep the guy in line, the Dolphins will have a very tough time doing so.

verbaltoxin: The Vikings got a better deal with Jennings. Wallace can have the Dolphins.

I call BS.  Ask yourself this question.  If both Wallace and Jennings are on the board in your FF draft which one would you pick?  QED.


Someone else.
 
2013-06-14 01:56:18 AM  

IAmRight: digistil: Favre... Who's the other one?

The one with the best passer rating in NFL history. You know, the one with the Super Bowl MVP award. Maybe the one with the NFL record for best passer rating in a season.

You know, the guy who throws for 4200 yards, 39 TD, and 8 INT behind a crappy offensive line with no run game to help offset the rush and everyone asks "what's wrong with him this year? He's not doing as well."


I'm drawing a blank.
 
2013-06-14 08:04:09 AM  

jake3988: Give Favre this great team instead of the crapfest he had his second year there (because of injuries), and you'll have a super bowl contender on your hands.


Oh you.
 
2013-06-14 10:12:21 AM  

GoodHomer: kdawg7736: Steelers fan here...I still don't think he is worth the money the Dolphins signed him to. We shall see if he is one of those few successful wide receivers that do well after leaving the Steelers. Santonio is OK but not elite and Wallace has dropped a few big ones here and there.

A few big ones?

He dropped alot of big ones. Frankly, I was hoping they were going to trade him for some draft picks before he jumped ship as a free agent.


True. I was thinking though get more picks like they did with Santonio Holmes, but I would hope they would get more than just one or two picks than what they got with Santonio.
 
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