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(American Thinker)   IRS violated 501(c)4's religious freedom by informing them that encouraging people to blow up abortion clinics doesn't really count as 'educational', and is probably a felony no matter your tax status   (americanthinker.com) divider line 48
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2013-06-13 08:17:37 AM  
Tax exemption - yes, anonymous donors no
 
2013-06-13 08:22:36 AM  
Religious freedom?

You might be thinking about 501(c)3
Religious, Educational, Charitable, Scientific, Literary, Testing for Public Safety, to Foster National or International Amateur Sports Competition, or Prevention of Cruelty to Children or Animals Organizations ,

not 501(c)4 .
Civic Leagues, Social Welfare Organizations, and Local Associations of Employees
 
2013-06-13 08:41:05 AM  
I basically stopped reading when I got to "via The Blaze."

If it's marked as a half-truth right up front, there's really no reason to trust it until the real story comes out.
 
2013-06-13 08:44:20 AM  

SphericalTime: I basically stopped reading when I got to "via The Blaze."

If it's marked as a half-truth right up front, there's really no reason to trust it until the real story comes out.


You give them more credit than I do, I'm thinking about 3/5.
 
2013-06-13 08:44:31 AM  
Pfft...author even self-identifies as a moran.

thegospelcoalition.org
 
2013-06-13 08:45:52 AM  
So I'm supposed to be outraged by this section, which was cherry picked out of a ten minute conversation, with no context to judge it, and fragments that are noted to be unintelligible that could change even the context of this quote.

You convince them. But when you take a lot of action, [unintelligible] other people. For example, when you, you know, go to, you know, the abortion clinic, and you found them [unintelligible], we don't want, you know, to come against them," the agent said.
 
2013-06-13 08:47:16 AM  
*trembles*  Do I dare read an AT article again?  Aw what the heck, what could it hurt....

*reads*

Oh for the love of all things derivative......Please excuse me, I have to go projectile vomit now...
 
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2013-06-13 08:48:30 AM  
I went to the American Thinker web site, now my hard drive is infected with da stupid.
 
2013-06-13 08:51:27 AM  

spongeboob: So I'm supposed to be outraged by this section, which was cherry picked out of a ten minute conversation, with no context to judge it, and fragments that are noted to be unintelligible that could change even the context of this quote.

You convince them. But when you take a lot of action, [unintelligible] other people. For example, when you, you know, go to, you know, the abortion clinic, and you found them [unintelligible], we don't want, you know, to come against them," the agent said.


I'm thinking "unintelligible" just refers to some words that The Blaze couldn't understand, not that they couldn't hear the words.
 
2013-06-13 08:55:29 AM  
The funny thing is, if you merely crossed out Christian and replace Muslim on these sorts of organizations, the Tea Party types would be wanting everyone involved jailed for life, or getting an injection, and everyone who has the same religion/skin color to be ejected from the country. But if a Christian is doing it, they are being patriotic, not a terrorist.
 
2013-06-13 08:57:32 AM  

SphericalTime: I basically stopped reading when I got to "via The Blaze."

If it's marked as a half-truth right up front, there's really no reason to trust it until the real story comes out.


I stopped reading when I saw the link pointed to American "Thinker".
 
2013-06-13 08:58:55 AM  
FTA: "During the phone call, IRS agent Sherry Wan is heard lecturing Ania Joseph about how she can't have a tax exemption and also push her religious beliefs-- a bit of advice that would be quite interesting to every church in America."

lol
 
2013-06-13 09:00:30 AM  
Thanks for the "infro".
 
2013-06-13 09:05:54 AM  

xria: The funny thing is, if you merely crossed out Christian and replace Muslim on these sorts of organizations, the Tea Party types would be wanting everyone involved jailed for life, or getting an injection, and everyone who has the same religion/skin color to be ejected from the country. But if a Christian is doing it, they are being patriotic, not a terrorist.


We're a Christian nation.  Therefore there's no hypocrisy.
 
2013-06-13 09:09:03 AM  
A quick GIS of the "author" reveals the bloated face of a kiddy-toucher.
 
2013-06-13 09:09:11 AM  
"You convince them. But when you take a lot of action, [unintelligible] other people. For example, when you, you know, go to, you know, the abortion clinic, and you found them [unintelligible], we don't want, you know, to come against them," the agent said.

The rules are so clear, and the conservatives just refuse to follow them!
 
2013-06-13 09:09:25 AM  
yup.....well, I guess AT needs to publish something to keep there advertisers until the next presidential election cycle starts in earnest around 2015 or so.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-13 09:11:28 AM  

SphericalTime: I basically stopped reading when I got to "via The Blaze."

If it's marked as a half-truth right up front, there's really no reason to trust it until the real story comes out.


I didn't bother reading when I saw it came from "American Thinker."
 
2013-06-13 09:12:03 AM  

jcooli09: SphericalTime: I basically stopped reading when I got to "via The Blaze."

If it's marked as a half-truth right up front, there's really no reason to trust it until the real story comes out.

You give them more credit than I do, I'm thinking about 3/5.


a 3/5 truth is truer than a half truth...
 
2013-06-13 09:12:48 AM  

serial_crusher: jcooli09: SphericalTime: I basically stopped reading when I got to "via The Blaze."

If it's marked as a half-truth right up front, there's really no reason to trust it until the real story comes out.

You give them more credit than I do, I'm thinking about 3/5.

a 3/5 truth is truer than a half truth...


D'OH!
 
2013-06-13 09:15:54 AM  

rufus-t-firefly: SphericalTime: I basically stopped reading when I got to "via The Blaze."

If it's marked as a half-truth right up front, there's really no reason to trust it until the real story comes out.

I didn't bother reading when I saw it came from "American Thinker."


Author's also a contributor to PJ Media and is also host of the"RINO Hour of Power" on Blog Talk Radio.

Clearly an intellectual power to be reckoned with.
 
2013-06-13 09:20:14 AM  

SphericalTime: I basically stopped reading when I got to "via The Blaze."


shiat, I stopped moving my mouse towards the link when I got to "American Thinker."
 
2013-06-13 09:21:01 AM  
To be fair, for many people there is literally no difference between religious beliefs and political beliefs.
 
2013-06-13 09:24:19 AM  

Uranus Is Huge!: To be fair, for many people there is literally no difference between religious beliefs and political beliefs.


To be cruel, distinguishing religious beliefs from political ones seems a non-trivial recognition problem.
 
2013-06-13 09:28:50 AM  
"You can't take all kinds of confrontation activities and also put something on a website and ask people to take action against the abortion clinic. That's not, that's not really educational."

I find it distressing that people have to be informed that you can't tell people to 'take action' against an abortion clinic.  Sure, you're allowed to harass and generally act like an asshole to the ladies trying to get in, but you'd think people would realize that asking others to blow up the building or bar the doors would be a bit of a legal no-no.
 
2013-06-13 09:29:08 AM  
Wow you liberals are in full excuse making mode, even lying about groups. The IRS told more than one group that protesting outside PP was a way to lose their status. They were asked to afirm they would not do so under perjury. And now you fark leftists defend this? You defend a federal branch threatening crimes on a group for protesting? Go fark yourselves.
 
2013-06-13 09:30:49 AM  

xria: The funny thing is, if you merely crossed out Christian and replace Muslim on these sorts of organizations, the Tea Party types would be wanting everyone involved jailed for life, or getting an injection, and everyone who has the same religion/skin color to be ejected from the country. But if a Christian is doing it, they are being patriotic, not a terrorist.


Do you have a citation for your retarded musings?

Has a fark liberal ever had an argument that wasn't a strawman?
 
2013-06-13 09:43:38 AM  

MyRandomName: Wow you liberals are in full excuse making mode, even lying about groups. The IRS told more than one group that protesting outside PP was a way to lose their status. They were asked to afirm they would not do so under perjury. And now you fark leftists defend this? You defend a federal branch threatening crimes on a group for protesting? Go fark yourselves.


They can protest all they want. The issue is their tax exempt status. You may want to start paying attention.
 
2013-06-13 09:49:45 AM  

MyRandomName: xria: The funny thing is, if you merely crossed out Christian and replace Muslim on these sorts of organizations, the Tea Party types would be wanting everyone involved jailed for life, or getting an injection, and everyone who has the same religion/skin color to be ejected from the country. But if a Christian is doing it, they are being patriotic, not a terrorist.

Do you have a citation for your retarded musings?

Has a fark liberal ever had an argument that wasn't a strawman?


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/12/fox-news-host-breathlessly-pra is es-british-neo-fascist-weve-got-your-back/
 
2013-06-13 09:49:53 AM  

MyRandomName: xria: The funny thing is, if you merely crossed out Christian and replace Muslim on these sorts of organizations, the Tea Party types would be wanting everyone involved jailed for life, or getting an injection, and everyone who has the same religion/skin color to be ejected from the country. But if a Christian is doing it, they are being patriotic, not a terrorist.

Do you have a citation for your retarded musings?

Has a fark liberal ever had an argument that wasn't a strawman?


Louisiana lawmaker: lets give state money to private schools, including religious ones.
Muslim school: Cool, mind handing some of us that cash?
Lawmaker: Nope, I won't go back home to my people and explain that I supported this.

NC elementary school: Sure, the Gideons are welcome to come by and hand out bibles to the kiddies.
Mother of student: OK, then.  Does that mean that I can come by and hand out some of my religion's literature?
School: Of course not!  You're a witch!  You should be glad we're not comparing your weight to a duck.
 
2013-06-13 10:01:08 AM  
Hey MyRandomName, how does it feel to be proven so wrong so fast. Did it make your head spin?
 
2013-06-13 10:01:27 AM  

MyRandomName: xria: The funny thing is, if you merely crossed out Christian and replace Muslim on these sorts of organizations, the Tea Party types would be wanting everyone involved jailed for life, or getting an injection, and everyone who has the same religion/skin color to be ejected from the country. But if a Christian is doing it, they are being patriotic, not a terrorist.

Do you have a citation for your retarded musings?

Has a fark liberal ever had an argument that wasn't a strawman?


You should visit Freerepublic threads about muslims once in a while.
 
2013-06-13 10:02:51 AM  

theknuckler_33: You should visit post exclusively in Freerepublic threads


FTFY.
 
2013-06-13 10:03:10 AM  

xria: The funny thing is, if you merely crossed out Christian and replace Muslim on these sorts of organizations, the Tea Party types would be wanting everyone involved jailed for life, or getting an injection, and everyone who has the same religion/skin color to be ejected from the country. But if a Christian is doing it, they are being patriotic, not a terrorist.


Whereas the TP folks should be claiming they're just trying to stop violent jihad (or to use that other term "Crusades") from being outsourced to the Musselmans.
//for some reason The Military Channel is doing a balanced, you might even call it professional, survey on the Crusades from both sides
 
2013-06-13 10:05:35 AM  
American Thinker is about as ironic a name for this blog that one think of.

//Tops having Honey Booboo on something called The Learning Channel
 
2013-06-13 10:09:36 AM  

monoski: //Tops having Honey Booboo on something called The Learning Channel


Yeah, that channel went down the drain when they went exclusively for private money, instead of public...how's that workin' out for them?
 
2013-06-13 10:11:46 AM  
MyRandomName continues his streak of never being right about anything, ever.
 
2013-06-13 10:47:18 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: MyRandomName continues his streak of never being right about anything, ever.


I listen to Hannity on my way home,   He and/or his guests use their halmark of the IRS scandal the one question: "What is the content of your prayers".  I agree that on it's own it's the most absurd question, however I suspect it's not on it's own.

I want to believe that a question that stupid could only be formulated in response to an application for a 501(c)4 that volunteered that part of their mission involved prayers of some sort.  In which case the response shouldn't have asked if the prayers were non-religious, but directed them that 501(c)4's were for social welfare and for a religious organization they want to file for 501(c)3.

They would still be tax exempt, just under the proper tax loophole.  Enjoy your government handouts, cheating the IRS is complicated, but can be done as long as you follow the rules.

Unfortunately, the stupid questionnaires were sent out rather than redirecting them to the correct form.  That seems to be where the IRS went wrong, and they did handle this wrong.  I don't know what you do about this, fire the people who did it, their bosses, their bosses, their boss, the president?  Write more process and procedures so this doesn't happen again?  Do nothing but make a fuss so the president's approval is hurt so bad he can't win another term?

Just like the financial crash, oil spills and this IRS, my Weeners is someone needs fired, but that doesn't stop it from happening again.  As a company that gets a new ISO procedure every time there is a mistake I don't think another law or regulation is the solution either.
 
2013-06-13 11:21:50 AM  

TheGogmagog: cameroncrazy1984: MyRandomName continues his streak of never being right about anything, ever.

I listen to Hannity on my way home,   He and/or his guests use their halmark of the IRS scandal the one question: "What is the content of your prayers".  I agree that on it's own it's the most absurd question, however I suspect it's not on it's own.

I want to believe that a question that stupid could only be formulated in response to an application for a 501(c)4 that volunteered that part of their mission involved prayers of some sort.  In which case the response shouldn't have asked if the prayers were non-religious, but directed them that 501(c)4's were for social welfare and for a religious organization they want to file for 501(c)3.

They would still be tax exempt, just under the proper tax loophole.  Enjoy your government handouts, cheating the IRS is complicated, but can be done as long as you follow the rules.


Except under the PROPER tax loophole, they would have to disclose donors. The whole reason they wanted the 501(c)(4) was unlimited, anonymous cash to Republicans.
 
2013-06-13 12:18:26 PM  
that article gave me herpes
 
2013-06-13 12:23:05 PM  

skullkrusher: that article gave me herpes


huh...I managed to get samples of syphilis and gonorrhea from there, but not herpes...did you click through to the blaze?
 
2013-06-13 12:30:09 PM  

Karac: MyRandomName: xria: The funny thing is, if you merely crossed out Christian and replace Muslim on these sorts of organizations, the Tea Party types would be wanting everyone involved jailed for life, or getting an injection, and everyone who has the same religion/skin color to be ejected from the country. But if a Christian is doing it, they are being patriotic, not a terrorist.

Do you have a citation for your retarded musings?

Has a fark liberal ever had an argument that wasn't a strawman?

Louisiana lawmaker: lets give state money to private schools, including religious ones.
Muslim school: Cool, mind handing some of us that cash?
Lawmaker: Nope, I won't go back home to my people and explain that I supported this.

NC elementary school: Sure, the Gideons are welcome to come by and hand out bibles to the kiddies.
Mother of student: OK, then.  Does that mean that I can come by and hand out some of my religion's literature?
School: Of course not!  You're a witch!  You should be glad we're not comparing your weight to a duck.


"Throughout Scripture, the only power that can overcome the seemingly invincible omnipotence of a Babel or a Beast is the power of martyrdom, the power of the witness to King Jesus to the point of loss and death. [...] Until we do, America will lurch along the path that leads from Babel to Beast. If America is to be put in its place - put right - Christians must risk martyrdom and force Babel to the crux where it has to decide either to acknowledge Jesus an imperator and the church as God's imperium or to begin drinking holy blood."

[This article was about letting gay people get married, by the way.]
 
2013-06-13 01:43:07 PM  
Holy b@lls, Hicory-smoked, that is some f*cked up imagery right there.

What does the United States of America need with an emperor!?

Did we not begin as an independent nation by defying and throwing off King George III
or am I suffering from a Satanic hallucination?
 
2013-06-13 02:03:15 PM  

theknuckler_33: MyRandomName: xria: The funny thing is, if you merely crossed out Christian and replace Muslim on these sorts of organizations, the Tea Party types would be wanting everyone involved jailed for life, or getting an injection, and everyone who has the same religion/skin color to be ejected from the country. But if a Christian is doing it, they are being patriotic, not a terrorist.

Do you have a citation for your retarded musings?

Has a fark liberal ever had an argument that wasn't a strawman?

You should visit Freerepublic threads about muslims once in a while.


Bretibart.com had to stop posting non-political crime-related stories, after the comments section made Stormfront look like a Benetton ad.
 
2013-06-13 02:15:44 PM  
Damn it I need to check the source before I click the link.
 
2013-06-13 05:20:54 PM  

serial_crusher: jcooli09: SphericalTime: I basically stopped reading when I got to "via The Blaze."

If it's marked as a half-truth right up front, there's really no reason to trust it until the real story comes out.

You give them more credit than I do, I'm thinking about 3/5.

a 3/5 truth is truer than a half truth...


jcooli09: SphericalTime: I basically stopped reading when I got to "via The Blaze."

If it's marked as a half-truth right up front, there's really no reason to trust it until the real story comes out.

You give them more credit than I do, I'm thinking about 3/5


www.craveonline.com
You both can kiss 3/5ths of my ass!
 
2013-06-13 05:24:31 PM  
JUST SAY NO TO AMERICAN THINKER LINKS
 
2013-06-14 12:32:37 AM  

Kittypie070: What does the United States of America need with an emperor!?


What do you have against His Imperial Majesty Joshua Norton I, Emperor of the United States and Protector of Mexico?

upload.wikimedia.org
 
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