Point02GPA: Every once in a while a 50-60 yo undelivered letter/postcard appears. I wonder what the oldest undelivered email will contain?
SpdrJay: I think it's good that people are learning to joke about this situation that is already way out of their control.
netweavr: This is like Gay Rights. The older generation is upset and despondent that they exist. The younger generation doesn't care.The older generation will die off and this "scandal" will disappear.
Slappajo: the government is your God. Or wants to be.
IdBeCrazyIf: I still don't understand how NOW it's an issue when this shiat was leaked back in 2006 when they were setting up data capture rooms in the various ISP fiber backbone hubs?Can anyone explain why now we're outraged when we weren't then?
mrexcess: What the hell kind of comments are these?"Dude I don't even privacy!""I privacy way less than you! You dirty unpure pleb!""Privacy is for old farts I have a photoblog for my dumps."...honestly, what the hell kind of idiotic, short-sighted, conformist thinking is this? I don't give a shiat if you don't value privacy, that's fine. But in a free society the decision to have or forgo individual privacy is left to the individual, not the state. This sorry state is not what the Fourth Amendment envisaged, and empowering the agents of the status quo with such enormous power to abuse us by allowing this sorry state to become the order of the day will virtually guarantee that the next Martin Luther King never arises in our culture.
Skleenar: Skleenar: This statement, whether true or not, has not been supported by anything that you have linked to.Or, to be absolutely accurate, I have not seen where this is supported in anything you have linked to.*If you wish to point out where this is supported, I'm happy to review it.
NostroZ: Wouldn't we have similar problems with illegal immigration and also citizenship through military service?
NostroZ: Insane! This is how ROME fell apart. Allowing in 'contractors' (hired barbarian tribes) into their military.
NostroZ: I wish! Booze Allen Hammilton is a contractor, they are not even the government.
NostroZ: uber humper: NostroZ: Terrorism can be stopped without us loosing our basic freedoms as afforded under the constitution.I don't know if terrorism can be stopped. But we need to stop using domestic spying in place of good diplomacy.The US doesn't need domestic spying we need a good PR department along with capable leadership. Domestic spying is attempting to treat the symptoms, not the problem. The problem is festering. The US citizens now have terrorism to worry about and also the government.Right! Terror is an emotion. How can you have a war against a basic emotion?We already have the CIA and FBI, which do a stellar job in protecting the citizens from in and outside the country.This whole NSA, TSA, bullcrap is not about security, it's about big business and an overreach.As a citizen in a democracy THIS IS YOUR TIME TO SPEAK UP.What's the point of having the FREEDOM OF SPEECH IF YOU NEVER US IT?
Pants full of macaroni!!: ITT: Republicans believing that Liberals are perfectly ok with being domestically spied on, simply because Fartbama is the president.
mrexcess: neongoats: trappedspirit: Bombs, ricin, drones, governtment overthrow, pressure cooker, false flag, OWS, anarchist, guns, treason, allah, bronies.There, now this thread is monitored./you're welcomeLike it wasn't already. Don't you know that Drew has NSA equipment in his bedroom closet, so that Obama can tap into fark threads and sniff out the paid-per-post guys. But if you ask him about it, he has to physically copy those threads to a thumb drive and physically hand it off to them!The truth is that forum posts and other public data is Hoovered up with abandon. All the better to "watch your ideas form" with, m'dear.
uber humper: It's a slippery slope. It starts like this case, becomes more and more common, then we will be in an absolute police state.
neongoats: trappedspirit: Bombs, ricin, drones, governtment overthrow, pressure cooker, false flag, OWS, anarchist, guns, treason, allah, bronies.There, now this thread is monitored./you're welcomeLike it wasn't already. Don't you know that Drew has NSA equipment in his bedroom closet, so that Obama can tap into fark threads and sniff out the paid-per-post guys. But if you ask him about it, he has to physically copy those threads to a thumb drive and physically hand it off to them!
Lady J: I still don't know whether to be enraged and concernedI guess it doesnt matter whether I'm either, they're not going to stop doing it
sendtodave: tenpoundsofcheese: sendtodave: netweavr: This is like Gay Rights. The older generation is upset and despondent that they exist. The younger generation doesn't care.The older generation will die off and this "scandal" will disappear.Really?The government Democrats spying on it's own people is, like, totally cool?FTFY.You can't have a good nanny state and a nanny to take care of you if she doesn't know what trouble you are about to get in.You know, I dislike you. Severely.
Yeah, him too.
Presently blowing huge wads ofdusty jizz onto the lid of his coffin.
He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither
tenpoundsofcheese: Well, not to take the bait, but how does that enable them to stop or disrupt attacks?
unlikely: Again, we've known this since like the 90s... why is it only just NOW a big deal?
Katolu: Screw it. Everyone with a phone, or email, anything that can be tapped needs to use all of the keywords that triggers the NSA to investigate. Hundreds of millions of instances of those words showing up daily and the NSA wouldn't know where to begin or have the manpower to investigate.
pedrop357: I've yet to be disappointed, and I can't see how a McCain/Palin or Romney/Ryan presidency would have been any different.
Deneb81: Is this 'wiretapping' any more invasive than the data ISPs and email services ALREADY pull from your email?
Lexx: Isn't this just confirming what we long, long figured was the reality of the world, but never had to consciously confirm & acknowledge?To be honest, I'm less concerned about how the government uses my personal data in this day & age (admittedly, the communist witch-hunts of Joe McCarthy's era were bad) and much, much more concerned about my personal data being freely available to the corporate sector & my fellow man.
neongoats: But all of those things were awesome and necessary up until 2008, when Bush won the war on terrorism by lame ducking tarp, dropping the mic and leaving stage.
The Numbers: YixilTesiphon: What is the difference between this and the government reading all of your mail? It's magically different because it's on the internet?Convenience. As long as we aren't inconvenienced by government surveillance, we'll continue to bend over and take it like we don't mind it happening.
YixilTesiphon: Deneb81: As is, there's at least a FISA court recordA secret court is no better than no court.
nekom: You think they aren't already doing this?
AngryDragon: Make sure you put all your data on iCloud, Dropbox, Google Docs, et. al. Think of the convenience!
YixilTesiphon: A secret court is no better than no court.
YixilTesiphon: No, people should have been pissed about this for much longer.
Skleenar: Well, not to take the bait, but what they are discussing here isn't like reading your mail, it's more like reading the address of the recipient, the address of the sender, the time the message was sent and when it was delivered.
Skleenar: YixilTesiphon: What is the difference between this and the government reading all of your mail? It's magically different because it's on the internet?Well, not to take the bait, but what they are discussing here isn't like reading your mail, it's more like reading the address of the recipient, the address of the sender, the time the message was sent and when it was delivered.They are careful to differentiate between the metadata and the content. Whether or not this nicety is actually being observed in practice is probably important, but so far these revelations seem to indicate that what is being collected is metadata, which is then likely being used to identify content of interest which is then FISA'd. (And, I would guess, probably automatically, without human intervention).
doglover: I've just always assumed the Feds read ALL my emails.
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