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(C|Net)   NSA chief hints at ISP and email wiretapping. If you haven't curled up into a ball and renounced your religion because there is no god yet, now may be a good time   (news.cnet.com) divider line 75
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2013-06-13 10:33:23 AM  
4 votes:

Point02GPA: Every once in a while a 50-60 yo undelivered letter/postcard appears. I wonder what the oldest undelivered email will contain?


25.media.tumblr.com
2013-06-13 10:02:58 AM  
4 votes:
I hate how all of these "revelations" just keep telling us stuff that we've known about for 10 freaking years.

It's just an attempt to pin this whole process on Obama, despite him actually getting the court and Congressional approval for every search (Which W refused to do).  There are seriously people right now that are furious and horrified that Obama is spying on Americans through the courts, who didn't give one rat's half-eaten ass about Bush doing all of that and more illegally and without the slightest shred of oversight.

I have a theory that nothing pisses off a Republican more than when Obama adopts a Republican policy (This, Health care mandate, Amnesty, TSA, Drone strikes, closed-door meetings, etc).
2013-06-13 09:35:33 AM  
4 votes:

SpdrJay: I think it's good that people are learning to joke about this situation that is already way out of their control.


Joking about it is the only way we have of opening our mouths without screaming.
2013-06-13 10:45:59 AM  
3 votes:
s23.postimg.org
tinypic.com
www.politifake.org
2013-06-13 10:40:02 AM  
3 votes:
"I don't want to make a mistake" and reveal too much, Alexander said,

Yeah it sucks when people learn information you want to keep private.
2013-06-13 09:38:26 AM  
3 votes:

netweavr: This is like Gay Rights. The older generation is upset and despondent that they exist. The younger generation doesn't care.

The older generation will die off and this "scandal" will disappear.


The younger generation understands the logistics that would be required to read every message and figures the government focuses on known terrorists and their plots, not my text to my BFF Jill.
2013-06-13 09:36:23 AM  
3 votes:
The existence of God is not negated by the fact that we have a tyrannical government. When Jesus walked the earth, Rome was pretty tyrannical.
2013-06-13 08:26:52 AM  
3 votes:
It's just metadata, so I don't see what the big deal is. I mean, my phone takes pictures with metadata embedded, and all it does is record the time the picture was taken, the exact location, the name of my phone, my name, and... Dear lord...
2013-06-13 08:10:24 AM  
3 votes:
I've just always assumed the Feds read ALL my emails.
2013-06-13 10:59:24 AM  
2 votes:

Slappajo: the government is your God.  Or wants to be.


Close.

s3.amazonaws.com
2013-06-13 10:50:05 AM  
2 votes:

IdBeCrazyIf: I still don't understand how NOW it's an issue when this shiat was leaked back in 2006 when they were setting up data capture rooms in the various ISP fiber backbone hubs?

Can anyone explain why now we're outraged when we weren't then?


The people who cared about it and biatched about it back then were dismissed as paranoid freaks.
2013-06-13 10:43:03 AM  
2 votes:
A secret interpretation of the Patriot Act

A secret interpretation of the Patriot Act

A secret interpretation of the Patriot Act

A secret interpretation of the Patriot Act
2013-06-13 10:14:10 AM  
2 votes:

mrexcess: What the hell kind of comments are these?

"Dude I don't even privacy!"

"I privacy way less than you! You dirty unpure pleb!"

"Privacy is for old farts I have a photoblog for my dumps."

...honestly, what the hell kind of idiotic, short-sighted, conformist thinking is this? I don't give a shiat if you don't value privacy, that's fine. But in a free society the decision to have or forgo individual privacy is left to the individual, not the state. This sorry state is not what the Fourth Amendment envisaged, and empowering the agents of the status quo with such enormous power to abuse us by allowing this sorry state to become the order of the day will virtually guarantee that the next Martin Luther King never arises in our culture.


The Supreme Court settled issues as to whether an individual has 4th amendment rights over information given to or recorded by a third party. They do not. This has been settled for a half century.

Your bank records are not yours - they are the bank's. You have no 4th amendment 'right to privacy' claim over the bank's property.

Same for Google. And Verizon.

If you make a call or send an email on someone else's service, the business records of that service is not yours and you have no 4th amendment right over it.

If you don't want other people looking at your stuff - DON'T GIVE IT TO OTHER PEOPLE.

I get the Internet make that hard or impossible - I'm sorry. But the 4th and 5th amendment doesn't and hasn't covered that ever.
2013-06-13 09:45:58 AM  
2 votes:
Curled in a ball? Hah! Renouncing one's god should be done while standing defiantly, shaking your fist at the heavens!
2013-06-13 09:34:28 AM  
2 votes:
What is the difference between this and the government reading all of your mail? It's magically different because it's on the internet?
2013-06-13 09:33:28 AM  
2 votes:
I think it's good that people are learning to joke about this situation that is already way out of their control.
2013-06-13 09:32:14 AM  
2 votes:
img.photobucket.com

/this q&d pic is going to get quite a workout before the government [REDACTED BY NSA] me
2013-06-13 08:36:51 AM  
2 votes:
Just assume the Feds see everything you do....then start masturbating furiously.

/business as usual then
2013-06-13 08:31:43 AM  
2 votes:
You think they aren't already doing this?
2013-06-13 03:43:57 PM  
1 votes:
They only do it to keep your Freedom loving asses Free.  and don't forget, you can always trust a Government Of, By, and For Big Business/Wealthy.


Cheers!
2013-06-13 03:42:24 PM  
1 votes:
uber humper
This is funny, a bank robber wants NSA surveillance records for his defense.

Actually a very interesting case. The defendant claims that phone records would provide him an alibi, but the phone company had already deleted them. The government claimed that they had no way to provide that information. If the government had deliberately withheld exculpatory evidence in someone's felony trial, that's a pretty serious thing.

Of course they could claim that the information was unavailable due to national security demands, and our limp courts would probably buy that. But now these programs are public information, not secret, and providing the info would seem to be necessary.
2013-06-13 02:53:36 PM  
1 votes:

Skleenar: Skleenar: This statement, whether true or not, has not been supported by anything that you have linked to.

Or, to be absolutely accurate, I have not seen where this is supported in anything you have linked to.*

If you wish to point out where this is supported, I'm happy to review it.


* as regards US persons and domestic communications.

Again, another caveat.  The NSA has been doing exactly what you claim to non-US communications for decades, with full support of all three branches of the gov't.  The newest wrinkle was the revelation of domestic information gathering without warrant during the Bush years.  This was retroactively made legal and purportedly is now subject to FISA warrants.
2013-06-13 01:39:22 PM  
1 votes:
Have a good day kiddos.

I have to make some money so I can give a little more than half of it to the government who spies on me.
2013-06-13 01:21:07 PM  
1 votes:

NostroZ: Wouldn't we have similar problems with illegal immigration and also citizenship through military service?


I never though about it, but it's scary.  The immigrant would have no allegiance to the people only the leadership. Most native born guys in the military wouldn't engage American citizens. I think there would be a much higher chance of a foreign born (who as never lived in the US) to attack American citizens.
2013-06-13 01:08:22 PM  
1 votes:

NostroZ: Insane! This is how ROME fell apart. Allowing in 'contractors' (hired barbarian tribes) into their military.


Well, actually, in large part it was allowing the conscription and recruitment of landless Roman subjects into the military, which set up a condition wherein a professional soldier caste was created that was, in turn (because of the way the Romans dealt with war booty) loyal to their officers instead of the Roman state.  Additionally you had the steady enrichment of the top elite class at the expense of the commoners which led to resentment and more and more landless men to enter into the private armies of those who would become claimants to the consulship or dictatorship.  And a whole lot more stuff.

At least that's how the republic fell apart.
2013-06-13 01:00:14 PM  
1 votes:

NostroZ: I wish! Booze Allen Hammilton is a contractor, they are not even the government.


1.5 million people have top secret clearance. That's a lot of crazy boyfriends, people in deep debt looking for easy money, people with unstated foreign allegiances, and out right crazies,
2013-06-13 12:43:43 PM  
1 votes:

NostroZ: uber humper: NostroZ: Terrorism can be stopped without us loosing our basic freedoms as afforded under the constitution.

I don't know if terrorism can be stopped.  But we need to stop using domestic spying in place of good diplomacy.

The US doesn't need domestic spying we need a good PR department along with capable leadership. Domestic spying is attempting to treat the symptoms, not the problem. The problem is festering. The US citizens now have terrorism to worry about and also the government.

Right!  Terror is an emotion.  How can you have a war against a basic emotion?
We already have the CIA and FBI, which do a stellar job in protecting the citizens from in and outside the country.

This whole NSA, TSA, bullcrap is not about security, it's about big business and an overreach.
As a citizen in a democracy THIS IS YOUR TIME TO SPEAK UP.

What's the point of having the FREEDOM OF SPEECH IF YOU NEVER US IT?


I mentioned in another thread that anyone involved in PRISM (or any domestic survalance), from the highest to the lowest tech,  should have their name published in the NY Times along with their zip code.  Similar to what the East Germans did with Stasi informants (and that was like almost 2.5% of the population). They need to be made an example. This is how to prevent it from happening again, this is how to regain trust in the government.
2013-06-13 12:29:57 PM  
1 votes:
Dear NSA

I know it's important that "our" team WINS!

At any cost, even if it means turning the US into everything the US stands against, we have to WIN!

The winner's circle.  Let me show it to you.  Ha ha.  Suckers.

www.heritagepursuit.com
2013-06-13 12:03:19 PM  
1 votes:

Pants full of macaroni!!: ITT: Republicans believing that Liberals are perfectly ok with being domestically spied on, simply because Fartbama is the president.


ITT: Liberals believing that posting "You're only mad about this because Obama is President! Herp Derp!" isn't defending this bullshiat.
2013-06-13 11:55:54 AM  
1 votes:
Who cares? Come election time the plebs will forget all of this, lap up the same tired pandering lies, and reelect these idiots.
2013-06-13 11:47:14 AM  
1 votes:

mrexcess: neongoats: trappedspirit: Bombs, ricin, drones, governtment overthrow, pressure cooker, false flag, OWS, anarchist, guns, treason, allah, bronies.

There, now this thread is monitored.

/you're welcome

Like it wasn't already. Don't you know that Drew has NSA equipment in his bedroom closet, so that Obama can tap into fark threads and sniff out the paid-per-post guys. But if you ask him about it, he has to physically copy those threads to a thumb drive and physically hand it off to them!

The truth is that forum posts and other public data is Hoovered up with abandon. All the better to "watch your ideas form" with, m'dear.


Wait until they strengthen the laws on sedition and start combing forum access logs and comparing IPs with ISP records. You past (posts here) can come back to haunt you.

/although, they'll probably put an end to anonymous posting before that.  That will make it even easier.
2013-06-13 11:46:33 AM  
1 votes:

uber humper: It's a slippery slope.  It starts like this case, becomes more and more common, then we will be in an absolute police state.


Do you own a small business?

That's suspicious.

Are you late for work a lot?

That's suspicious.

Do you own an off road capable vehicle?

That's suspicious.

Do you own a commercial truck but don't have a business that requires one?

That's suspicious.

Do you send and receive e-mails from persons known to associate with persons of interest?

That's suspicious.

Have you recently purchased a home or any item over 10,000.00?

That's suspicious.

Do you have an unusually high amount of large file downloads?

That's suspicious.

Are you studying subjects at university that might lend themselves to terrorist activities?

That's suspicious.

Do you have a non VoIP land line?

That's suspicious.

Do you eat, sleep and sh*t?

That's suspicious.
2013-06-13 11:43:27 AM  
1 votes:

neongoats: trappedspirit: Bombs, ricin, drones, governtment overthrow, pressure cooker, false flag, OWS, anarchist, guns, treason, allah, bronies.

There, now this thread is monitored.

/you're welcome

Like it wasn't already. Don't you know that Drew has NSA equipment in his bedroom closet, so that Obama can tap into fark threads and sniff out the paid-per-post guys. But if you ask him about it, he has to physically copy those threads to a thumb drive and physically hand it off to them!


The truth is that forum posts and other public data is Hoovered up with abandon. All the better to "watch your ideas form" with, m'dear.
2013-06-13 11:35:17 AM  
1 votes:

Lady J: I still don't know whether to be enraged and concerned

I guess it doesnt matter whether I'm either, they're not going to stop doing it


That's the spirit!

You can't fight the government, and you have no power to control it.

America!  Way better than shiatholes like China!
2013-06-13 11:16:27 AM  
1 votes:

sendtodave: tenpoundsofcheese: sendtodave: netweavr: This is like Gay Rights. The older generation is upset and despondent that they exist. The younger generation doesn't care.

The older generation will die off and this "scandal" will disappear.

Really?

The government  Democrats spying on it's own people is, like, totally cool?

FTFY.

You can't have a good nanny state and a nanny to take care of you if she doesn't know what trouble you are about to get in.

You know, I dislike you.  Severely.


No, I didn't know that.

But I can't fathom any reason people would defend this,or call for Snowden's head, other than for love of the (current) government.

Weird huh?  There are people so in love with the current government that no matter what they do, people defend it.
Next step is that people who criticize this will be called racists.
2013-06-13 11:11:25 AM  
1 votes:
upload.wikimedia.org

Yeah, him too.
2013-06-13 11:07:43 AM  
1 votes:
media.tumblr.com
Presently blowing huge wads of
dusty  jizz onto the lid of his coffin.

2013-06-13 11:05:27 AM  
1 votes:
www.notablebiographies.com
Presently blowing huge wads of
dusty  jizz onto the lid of his coffin.

2013-06-13 11:00:48 AM  
1 votes:
He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither
2013-06-13 10:55:30 AM  
1 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: Well, not to take the bait, but how does that enable them to stop or disrupt attacks?


The theory is that using metadata, you can establish patterns that are useful in identifying suspicious persons or activity.

http://kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2013/06/09/using-metadata-to-fi nd -paul-revere/

And I believe that it is useful for this sort of thing.

However, it would also be useful in finding just about any sort of pattern you find interesting, not just ones that are related to national security (i.e. politcal leanings, affairs, etc.).

It's not without the potential for abuse.  What it is, however, is a streamlined way to find the data you really want without having to collect all of it and read through it.
2013-06-13 10:51:50 AM  
1 votes:
When the book; The Rise and Fall of the Fourth Reich comes out in 30 years, you can point to excerpts and tell your grandkids "I was there".  And that's about it.
ows
2013-06-13 10:50:49 AM  
1 votes:
can I still google myself?
2013-06-13 10:50:44 AM  
1 votes:

unlikely: Again, we've known this since like the 90s... why is it only just NOW a big deal?


This is kind of a Delta Green thing:  Back in the 90s we were all worried about secret conspiracies about how black helicopters were watching you and how someone might be reading your mail.  Maybe tapping your phone.  The fear was that secret and shadowy forces were conspiring to figure out your shiat.  Maybe your shiat was crazy religion, or drugs, or maybe just porn, but the currents were moving.

Now the horror is that all that stuff, and a good deal more, have gone totally legit.  They are operating out in the open.  At least with the old conspiracy model there was the hope that if someone shone a light on their perfidy, it would be blown apart.  Now, it's like pointing out the Starbucks on the corner.  It is just part of the landscape, and it isn't going anywhere.

/Choose another night at the opera
//Choose a 9mm retirement plan
///Choose Delta Green
2013-06-13 10:48:53 AM  
1 votes:
I am going to forward all my spam to them... you know for safety.
ows
2013-06-13 10:48:23 AM  
1 votes:
Obama:

"I think we've reached a good balance here."

translation: shut up and deal with it.
2013-06-13 10:48:17 AM  
1 votes:
Thunderpipes:What did Bush do, Exactly?

A sh*tload of blow and whatever he was told.  Heil Prescott.
2013-06-13 10:45:03 AM  
1 votes:

Katolu: Screw it. Everyone with a phone, or email, anything that can be tapped needs to use all of the keywords that triggers the NSA to investigate. Hundreds of millions of instances of those words showing up daily and the NSA wouldn't know where to begin or have the manpower to investigate.


This. We need a fw:fw:fw:fw:fw: email with the list of word triggers in it, get that email to your average Rushbo fan and every granny and neocon uncle this side of the Pacific will be triggering it.
2013-06-13 10:41:13 AM  
1 votes:
The Feds are listening to my phone calls:
"The warranty on your vehicle is about to lapse."
"My vehicle is from the 1980s, and I bought it two years ago."
"Oh, our program can't help you."
"I know."
2013-06-13 10:39:00 AM  
1 votes:

unlikely: Again, we've known this since like the 90s... why is it only just NOW a big deal?


It was a big deal back then, too.  You just weren't paying attention.
2013-06-13 10:33:06 AM  
1 votes:
I for one was quite outraged back during the Clinton/Bush era when Carnivore was all the rage in snooping scandals.  But people thought I should put on a tinfoil hat b/c I didn't like the idea of the government being able to pull anything they wanted off the internet.  Now that it's a scandal, it's kind of vindicating and I'm relieved that there's a tiny national dialogue, but really, my reaction is more like "Oh, sure, now we're unhappy with it?"
2013-06-13 10:31:11 AM  
1 votes:

pedrop357: I've yet to be disappointed, and I can't see how a McCain/Palin or Romney/Ryan presidency would have been any different.


Well with the former we would have had some great years at SNL and the latter would have made sure you grandma would be eating catfood
2013-06-13 10:28:22 AM  
1 votes:
I just did a GIS. How is there not a "Ceiling Obama is watching you masturbate" pic yet? How is that even possible that not one person has put that out there?
2013-06-13 10:26:03 AM  
1 votes:

Deneb81: Is this 'wiretapping' any more invasive than the data ISPs and email services ALREADY pull from your email?


This is a bullshiat train of argument.  I can choose not to deal with google, but I can't choose not to have the government secretly compelling every provider to hand over data that might involve me.

Google can't imprison me, 'drone' me, etc.

How do feel about embracing and expanding  Prima Nocta?  I mean since a woman already has sex with her boyfriend, is it really any different to demand that she have sex with cop, Senator, soldier?  What's the difference, right?
2013-06-13 10:22:08 AM  
1 votes:
If they have the ability to actually find out the true identity of senders of emails can we, just maybe, use this to shut down all the people trying to sell me Vi@gr@ and other spam.  If the NSA cannot do this one reach around, they should stop.
2013-06-13 10:18:40 AM  
1 votes:
Nina_Hartley's_Ass
Settle down, subby. Everyone knows you're looking at porn. Nobody cares.

...until you run for political office on a platform that threatens powerful interests, or lead a social change movement, or...
2013-06-13 10:16:39 AM  
1 votes:
"For months, Washington has been accusing China of cyberespionage, but it turns out that the biggest threat to the pursuit of individual freedom and privacy in the US is the unbridled power of the government," Li Haidong, a researcher of American studies at China Foreign Affairs University, told the newspaper.
2013-06-13 10:13:44 AM  
1 votes:
Nope. My religion teaches that humans suck. So I'm still solid.
2013-06-13 10:11:34 AM  
1 votes:
Americans are a bunch of farking goldfish.  Does nobody remember the AT&T/NSA partnership exposed in 2006?  And the lawsuit was just dismissed two years ago thanks to that retroactive immunity grant congress passed in 2011.  It's not like that deal was ancient history or hadn't been in the news recently.

I thought this kind of thing was common knowledge.
2013-06-13 10:11:08 AM  
1 votes:

Lexx: Isn't this just confirming what we long, long figured was the reality of the world, but never had to consciously confirm & acknowledge?

To be honest, I'm less concerned about how the government uses my personal data in this day & age (admittedly, the communist witch-hunts of Joe McCarthy's era were bad) and much, much more concerned about my personal data being freely available to the corporate sector & my fellow man.


We at GEICO have noticed your drive to work is much further than what you claimed on your policy. Also you speed through construction zones. We will be raising your premium.
2013-06-13 10:10:25 AM  
1 votes:
ITT: Republicans believing that Liberals are perfectly ok with being domestically spied on, simply because Fartbama is the president.
2013-06-13 10:10:20 AM  
1 votes:

neongoats: But all of those things were awesome and necessary up until 2008, when Bush won the war on terrorism by lame ducking tarp, dropping the mic and leaving stage.


Oh please, many of us are exactly as upset about this stuff as we were in 2007. Bush Did It isn't an excuse.
2013-06-13 10:06:11 AM  
1 votes:
If Obama does it, we can rationalize it!
2013-06-13 10:05:05 AM  
1 votes:

The Numbers: YixilTesiphon: What is the difference between this and the government reading all of your mail? It's magically different because it's on the internet?

Convenience. As long as we aren't inconvenienced by government surveillance, we'll continue to bend over and take it like we don't mind it happening.


Honestly? The difference is content - at least supposedly.

The info I've seen is who called who when, who said what publicly, and who sent mail to whom when.

That's no different than the mail. The government CAN track who you send mail to and how much - they're the one delivering it after all. And the address is on the outside. They can even search the mail for certain safety issues - explosives, drugs, dangerous chemicals, illegal imports, etc. as long as its non-invasive or they have a warrant.

So if the program is limited to similar metadata - who, when, how often - and not content it's very similar to what they do with the mail in the course of business.

In addition - you lose 4th amendment protections over things when you give them to someone else. Like UPS, Google, or Bank of America. Ironically USPS can't get into your mail without a warrant - because they're the government and 4th amendment bound. UPS and FedEx? Not as tightly restricted. Even if they then hand it over to the government.
2013-06-13 10:02:31 AM  
1 votes:

YixilTesiphon: Deneb81: As is, there's at least a FISA court record

A secret court is no better than no court.


Worse, in fact, since a secret court lends the pretence of 'checks and balances' to the process. It's there to provide political cover for politicians, not to safeguard rights.
2013-06-13 09:58:28 AM  
1 votes:
i.imgur.com

,,,And is apparently a big dork.
2013-06-13 09:57:30 AM  
1 votes:

nekom: You think they aren't already doing this?


How does that make it ok?
2013-06-13 09:56:34 AM  
1 votes:

AngryDragon: Make sure you put all your data on iCloud, Dropbox, Google Docs, et. al.  Think of the convenience!


Hope they like lolcats and sleepaid mp3s. 6 hours of rain sounds and a cat wearing a sombrero...
2013-06-13 09:55:10 AM  
1 votes:

YixilTesiphon: A secret court is no better than no court.


In what way is a court that has a denial rate of basically 0 better than no court? It lends an air of undeserved legality to the shame proceedings.
2013-06-13 09:54:56 AM  
1 votes:

YixilTesiphon: A secret court is no better than no court.


At least with leaked records now the ACLU now has standing for their suit that was thrown out for no standing

YixilTesiphon: No, people should have been pissed about this for much longer.


And I remember people here tossing this off as conspiracy theory when the leaked pics came out of these data rooms
2013-06-13 09:49:57 AM  
1 votes:

Skleenar: Well, not to take the bait, but what they are discussing here isn't like reading your mail, it's more like reading the address of the recipient, the address of the sender, the time the message was sent and when it was delivered.


And you don't think if 60 years ago the post office had logged every letter so that they could establish patterns of who was talking to "known Communists," that would have constituted a violation of privacy?

Really, I'd be interested to hear your answer
2013-06-13 09:49:15 AM  
1 votes:

Deneb81: Is this 'wiretapping' any more invasive than the data ISPs and email services ALREADY pull from your email?


Google doesn't run Gitmo.

IdBeCrazyIf: I still don't understand how NOW it's an issue when this shiat was leaked back in 2006 when they were setting up data capture rooms in the various ISP fiber backbone hubs?

Can anyone explain why now we're outraged when we weren't then?


No, people should have been pissed about this for much longer.
2013-06-13 09:45:15 AM  
1 votes:

Skleenar: YixilTesiphon: What is the difference between this and the government reading all of your mail? It's magically different because it's on the internet?

Well, not to take the bait, but what they are discussing here isn't like reading your mail, it's more like reading the address of the recipient, the address of the sender, the time the message was sent and when it was delivered.

They are careful to differentiate between the metadata and the content.  Whether or not this nicety is actually being observed in practice is probably important, but so far these revelations seem to indicate that what is being collected is metadata, which is then likely being used to identify content of interest which is then FISA'd.  (And, I would guess, probably automatically, without human intervention).


You really believe they stop there?
2013-06-13 09:41:39 AM  
1 votes:

doglover: I've just always assumed the Feds read ALL my emails.


I've just always assumed I'm such a unimportant little bug no one has bothered to notice me let alone step on me. If I'm wrong about the first how long till I get the second?
2013-06-13 09:39:35 AM  
1 votes:
Isn't this just confirming what we long, long figured was the reality of the world, but never had to consciously confirm & acknowledge?

To be honest, I'm less concerned about how the government uses my personal data in this day & age (admittedly, the communist witch-hunts of Joe McCarthy's era were bad) and much, much more concerned about my personal data being freely available to the corporate sector & my fellow man.
2013-06-13 09:37:59 AM  
1 votes:

SpdrJay: I think it's good that people are learning to joke about this situation that is already way out of their control.


I use GMail, and I actually read the TOS when I signed up.

I never, ever, ever had anything remotely close to an "expectation of privacy" in regards to my email.
 
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