trappedspirit: Bombs, ricin, drones, governtment overthrow, pressure cooker, false flag, OWS, anarchist, guns, treason, allah, bronies.There, now this thread is monitored./you're welcome
IdBeCrazyIf: I still don't understand how NOW it's an issue when this shiat was leaked back in 2006 when they were setting up data capture rooms in the various ISP fiber backbone hubs?Can anyone explain why now we're outraged when we weren't then?
HK-MP5-SD: IdBeCrazyIf: I still don't understand how NOW it's an issue when this shiat was leaked back in 2006 when they were setting up data capture rooms in the various ISP fiber backbone hubs?Can anyone explain why now we're outraged when we weren't then?I can't speak for everyone of course, but I wasn't outraged then because I, perhaps foolishly, believed them when they said they were only collecting metadata and searching the metadata for patterns. Then last week I find that they are actually collecting personally identifiable data that can easily reveal information about a person's home, work, friends, family, habits, group memberships, politics, and health.There is a huge difference between collecting data and collecting metadata, a despite the repeated statements from government officials they are collecting data, not metadata. Data is information about a person or device. Metadata is information about the data that a person or device is looking for, without the information actually received as a result of the request for information. Maybe some examples would make the difference clear.Take Verizon for example we know that the collect source phone #, destination phone#, physical location, and duration of call. Just looking at this, even if we didn't know anything about about Verizon or the devices it connected to, we could discover the following:* Verizon is some involved in connecting phones ( the source and destination #)* The phones are mobile (the physical location field is not fixed, it changes)* This connection is limited in some way (they care how long the connection lasts)The NSA is collecting the actual data from each call made with this information they could easily determine:* Where you live (calls between 9pm and 6am are made from this location)* Where you work (calls made 8am to 4pm are made from this location)* your path to and from work (calls made 7-8am and 4-5pm along this path)* friends, family, coworker ...
rudemix: Before it is all said and done there will be government officials filing for work comp due to disabilities suffered while reading the thoughts and preferences of their fellow citizens on the intranets. I hope mine some how contribute to that.
PsiChick: /Because we're not fixing this anytime soon, so I damn well hope they read all my emails.//Specifically, the teen-girl fantasy porn my friend and I have been writing this summer.///U totes jelly, bro
Point02GPA: Every once in a while a 50-60 yo undelivered letter/postcard appears. I wonder what the oldest undelivered email will contain?
Final-Recipient: XXX.XXX.XXXAction: failedStatus: 5.0.0 (permanent failure)Remote-MTA: dns; [000.00.000.000]Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 5.1.0 - Unknown address error 553-'sorry, this recipient is in my badrecipientto list (#5.7.1)' (delivery attempts: 0)
Skleenar: PsiChick: /Because we're not fixing this anytime soon, so I damn well hope they read all my emails.//Specifically, the teen-girl fantasy porn my friend and I have been writing this summer.///U totes jelly, bro[thecityfix.com image 306x229]^ Your profile click meter
PsiChick: ...Is at zero?
Skleenar: PsiChick: ...Is at zero?It's rolling over. Sheesh.
ReverendJynxed: You're trying to explain car stuff to a chick.
ReverendJynxed: Skleenar: PsiChick: ...Is at zero?It's rolling over. Sheesh.You're trying to explain car stuff to a chick.
PsiChick: If you drive so fast your spedometor does that, you're going to end up in a flaming wreck pretty soon. Just sayin'.
Skleenar: ^ Your profile click meter
Skleenar: It's rolling over.
Skleenar: PsiChick: If you drive so fast your spedometor does that, you're going to end up in a flaming wreck pretty soon. Just sayin'.The spedometer reads 0 mph.Just sayin'.But if you wanted to excerpt some of that writing project you're working on in this thread, I'm all eyes.
ReverendJynxed: umad: spedometerThose short-bus specific?
umad: Although you should know better too. "Rolling over" means going from 999999.9 to 000000.0.
mrexcess: SkleenarThat article doesn't seem to say what you think it says. It says the Prism program has access to systems that allows them to obtain content data. It doesn't say that the Prism program is taking this data as a normal course of operations.Dude... What? Do you actually work for the NSA? Or are just hoping to? What a bunch of dissembling bullshiat. "Access to systems that allow them to obtain content" but that doesn't somehow show that... They have access to content?!? Give me a break. You disputed initially that Prism had access to content, now you're moving the goalposts and saying that, well gee, of course it does, duh.Yes, duh, of course it does. That's why what you claimed before was so egregious. Now quit trolling in the hopes of The Man letting you into the inner party.
mrexcess: DeathByGeekSquadI know a lot of people distrust the NSA, but seriously, of all the agencies - they're the least politicalMaybe the distrust has something to do with the way they lie to the public and even to Congress about what they do, without ever being held accountable? I mean, isn't that sort of deserving of distrust?And as for their being a-political, how do we actually know that? It's not like the public gets to scrutinize their behavior in a way that would allow us to form an independent judgement. We're just supposed to Trust Them(tm), I guess? Even though they're known liars?
umad: ReverendJynxed: umad: spedometerThose short-bus specific?[sic]I wrote it that way because they kept doing it.
Skleenar: ReverendJynxed: humorless.You must have missed my sarcastrophe.
uber humper: Linux_Yes: They only do it to keep your Freedom loving asses Free. and don't forget, you can always trust a Government Of, By, and For Big Business/Wealthy.Cheers!We cannot allow the government to have the power that it does, and we cannot allow the government to give the large corporations the money/power. The mega-corporations are the size that they are because of government help -- whether it by contracts, policy, or cash.You got part of the answer in your handle. Open source is where it's at. Government can't influence open source, open source keeps the big companies out of the loop.
Linux_Yes: uber humper: Linux_Yes: They only do it to keep your Freedom loving asses Free. and don't forget, you can always trust a Government Of, By, and For Big Business/Wealthy.Cheers!We cannot allow the government to have the power that it does, and we cannot allow the government to give the large corporations the money/power. The mega-corporations are the size that they are because of government help -- whether it by contracts, policy, or cash.You got part of the answer in your handle. Open source is where it's at. Government can't influence open source, open source keeps the big companies out of the loop.i don't know if Open Source can undo the monster grip that big business/wealthy have on our government. humans will always be selfish and greedy. we may be too far down that narrowing road to turn around. no one said our way of life will last. things could be alot worse in 20 years. this might only be the beginning of a Monster State owned by Capital.
Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: It's just metadata, so I don't see what the big deal is. I mean, my phone takes pictures with metadata embedded, and all it does is record the time the picture was taken, the exact location, the name of my phone, my name, and... Dear lord...
SpdrJay: I think it's good that people are learning to joke about this situation that is already way out of their control.
ghostwind: you are really tempting me to godwin this thread, dude
I sound fat: SpdrJay: I think it's good that people are learning to joke about this situation that is already way out of their control.I dont know, Russia used to be almost this bad, then Gorbachev came along. Perhaps we need a our own Gorbachev.
Thunderpipes: Insaniteus: I hate how all of these "revelations" just keep telling us stuff that we've known about for 10 freaking years.It's just an attempt to pin this whole process on Obama, despite him actually getting the court and Congressional approval for every search (Which W refused to do). There are seriously people right now that are furious and horrified that Obama is spying on Americans through the courts, who didn't give one rat's half-eaten ass about Bush doing all of that and more illegally and without the slightest shred of oversight.I have a theory that nothing pisses off a Republican more than when Obama adopts a Republican policy (This, Health care mandate, Amnesty, TSA, Drone strikes, closed-door meetings, etc).What did Bush do, Exactly?Excuses for Obama the Messiah, imagine that.
tenpoundsofcheese: sendtodave: tenpoundsofcheese: sendtodave: netweavr: This is like Gay Rights. The older generation is upset and despondent that they exist. The younger generation doesn't care.The older generation will die off and this "scandal" will disappear.Really?The government Democrats spying on it's own people is, like, totally cool?FTFY.You can't have a good nanny state and a nanny to take care of you if she doesn't know what trouble you are about to get in.You know, I dislike you. Severely.No, I didn't know that.But I can't fathom any reason people would defend this,or call for Snowden's head, other than for love of the (current) government.Weird huh? There are people so in love with the current government that no matter what they do, people defend it.Next step is that people who criticize this will be called racists.
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