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(C|Net)   NSA chief hints at ISP and email wiretapping. If you haven't curled up into a ball and renounced your religion because there is no god yet, now may be a good time   (news.cnet.com) divider line 386
    More: Interesting, ISP, NSA, Julian Sanchez, Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, Patriot Act, Fort Meade, warrantless wiretapping, Internet Protocol  
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2013-06-13 08:10:24 AM
I've just always assumed the Feds read ALL my emails.
 
2013-06-13 08:17:58 AM
It's for the children, citizen, don't you care about all the children this will save?

/we know what's best for you
//you can trust us
 
2013-06-13 08:26:52 AM
It's just metadata, so I don't see what the big deal is. I mean, my phone takes pictures with metadata embedded, and all it does is record the time the picture was taken, the exact location, the name of my phone, my name, and... Dear lord...
 
2013-06-13 08:31:43 AM
You think they aren't already doing this?
 
2013-06-13 08:36:51 AM
Just assume the Feds see everything you do....then start masturbating furiously.

/business as usual then
 
2013-06-13 09:05:03 AM

Walker: Just assume the Feds see everything you do....then start masturbating furiously.

/business as usual then


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2013-06-13 09:07:19 AM
I bet they're also watching you poop.  You better freak out.
 
2013-06-13 09:25:30 AM

James!: I bet they're also watching you poop.  You better freak out.


They'll freak out, I had Taco Hell last night.
 
2013-06-13 09:28:16 AM

basemetal: James!: I bet they're also watching you poop.  You better freak out.

They'll freak out, I had Taco Hell last night.


They were probably like... in your taco somehow.
 
2013-06-13 09:32:14 AM
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/this q&d pic is going to get quite a workout before the government [REDACTED BY NSA] me
 
2013-06-13 09:33:28 AM
I think it's good that people are learning to joke about this situation that is already way out of their control.
 
2013-06-13 09:34:28 AM
What is the difference between this and the government reading all of your mail? It's magically different because it's on the internet?
 
2013-06-13 09:35:12 AM
This is like Gay Rights. The older generation is upset and despondent that they exist. The younger generation doesn't care.

The older generation will die off and this "scandal" will disappear.
 
2013-06-13 09:35:33 AM

SpdrJay: I think it's good that people are learning to joke about this situation that is already way out of their control.


Joking about it is the only way we have of opening our mouths without screaming.
 
2013-06-13 09:35:41 AM
wait, so all my weblogs going to midget donkey porn are in that NSA datacenter?

seriously?

what a waste of space. rm -rf that directory.

all 14 Tb of it.
 
2013-06-13 09:36:23 AM
The existence of God is not negated by the fact that we have a tyrannical government. When Jesus walked the earth, Rome was pretty tyrannical.
 
2013-06-13 09:36:51 AM

doglover: I've just always assumed the Feds read ALL my emails.


I HOPE they are reading my Aunt's emails.

FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW Pratyer request! Please send this request to all your friends and family!

FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW  Missing girl have you seen this girl?

FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW: Obamacare is coming read these 5 tricks the Liberals don't want you to know!
 
2013-06-13 09:36:54 AM

doglover: I've just always assumed the Feds read ALL my emails.


They do. And have been for years.

That pretty data mining facility outside Salt Lake City is now where all the magic happens.
But dont worry, you're not saying bad things. Are you?
 
2013-06-13 09:37:59 AM

SpdrJay: I think it's good that people are learning to joke about this situation that is already way out of their control.


I use GMail, and I actually read the TOS when I signed up.

I never, ever, ever had anything remotely close to an "expectation of privacy" in regards to my email.
 
2013-06-13 09:38:26 AM
My employer already does, might as well add the government.

I LOVE MY JOB. IT'S THE GREATEST THING EVER. SO IS THE GOVERNMENT.... except the parts that my employer doesn't like.
 
2013-06-13 09:38:26 AM

netweavr: This is like Gay Rights. The older generation is upset and despondent that they exist. The younger generation doesn't care.

The older generation will die off and this "scandal" will disappear.


The younger generation understands the logistics that would be required to read every message and figures the government focuses on known terrorists and their plots, not my text to my BFF Jill.
 
2013-06-13 09:39:00 AM
Let's all take pictures of our poop and email it to the NSA. They would love .... <carrier lost>
 
2013-06-13 09:39:03 AM

rooftop235: That pretty data mining facility


the architecture is pretty rad. i wish i worked there.
 
2013-06-13 09:39:18 AM
I have a question. Why the f*** is a military person in charge of this shait?
 
2013-06-13 09:39:19 AM
That's it.  I'm going back to handwritten postal mail.
 
2013-06-13 09:39:29 AM
When they see what I've been downloading to my iPad, they're gonna sh•t.
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2013-06-13 09:39:35 AM
Isn't this just confirming what we long, long figured was the reality of the world, but never had to consciously confirm & acknowledge?

To be honest, I'm less concerned about how the government uses my personal data in this day & age (admittedly, the communist witch-hunts of Joe McCarthy's era were bad) and much, much more concerned about my personal data being freely available to the corporate sector & my fellow man.
 
2013-06-13 09:39:39 AM
Now, at the end of every email, just sign it "Just joking".
 
2013-06-13 09:40:31 AM

Sock Ruh Tease: netweavr: This is like Gay Rights. The older generation is upset and despondent that they exist. The younger generation doesn't care.

The older generation will die off and this "scandal" will disappear.

The younger generation understands the logistics that would be required to read every message and figures the government focuses on known terrorists and their plots, not my text to my BFF Jill.


It is my guess that they are so overwhelmed by all the data that they are incapable of doing much. It would be like a 13-year-old having 100,000 porno magazines.
 
2013-06-13 09:41:07 AM

Sock Ruh Tease: netweavr: This is like Gay Rights. The older generation is upset and despondent that they exist. The younger generation doesn't care.

The older generation will die off and this "scandal" will disappear.

The younger generation understands the logistics that would be required to read every message and figures the government focuses on known terrorists and their plots, not my text to my BFF Jill.


That's probably a reasonable expectation ......

....  until the turrrrists start disguising their communications as texts to the BFF's.............

/prolly never happen......
 
2013-06-13 09:41:39 AM

doglover: I've just always assumed the Feds read ALL my emails.


I've just always assumed I'm such a unimportant little bug no one has bothered to notice me let alone step on me. If I'm wrong about the first how long till I get the second?
 
2013-06-13 09:42:11 AM
You people actually expected privacy when using electronic versions of postcards, telegrams & billboards? Duh!
 
2013-06-13 09:42:19 AM

s2s2s2: Now, at the end of every email, just sign it "Just joking".


or the opening like on the druggie sites:

SWIM:
said that extracting 2-3-methylcarbomol with 4-5-pyridinecetamol resulted in...
 
2013-06-13 09:42:55 AM
Where this road is leading us, the betrayal of Julia is inevitable.
 
2013-06-13 09:43:01 AM
Before it is all said and done there will be government officials filing for work comp due to disabilities suffered while reading the thoughts and preferences of their fellow citizens on the intranets. I hope mine some how contribute to that.
 
2013-06-13 09:43:49 AM

YixilTesiphon: What is the difference between this and the government reading all of your mail? It's magically different because it's on the internet?


Well, not to take the bait, but what they are discussing here isn't like reading your mail, it's more like reading the address of the recipient, the address of the sender, the time the message was sent and when it was delivered.

They are careful to differentiate between the metadata and the content.  Whether or not this nicety is actually being observed in practice is probably important, but so far these revelations seem to indicate that what is being collected is metadata, which is then likely being used to identify content of interest which is then FISA'd.  (And, I would guess, probably automatically, without human intervention).
 
2013-06-13 09:43:49 AM
Make sure you put all your data on iCloud, Dropbox, Google Docs, et. al.  Think of the convenience!
 
2013-06-13 09:43:55 AM

Sock Ruh Tease: netweavr: This is like Gay Rights. The older generation is upset and despondent that they exist. The younger generation doesn't care.

The older generation will die off and this "scandal" will disappear.

The younger generation understands the logistics that would be required to read every message and figures the government focuses on known terrorists and their plots, not my text to my BFF Jill.


Is this also why the younger generation texts in incomprehensible garbled code that no one born before the 90s can read without years of crayons up their nose?
 
2013-06-13 09:45:15 AM

Skleenar: YixilTesiphon: What is the difference between this and the government reading all of your mail? It's magically different because it's on the internet?

Well, not to take the bait, but what they are discussing here isn't like reading your mail, it's more like reading the address of the recipient, the address of the sender, the time the message was sent and when it was delivered.

They are careful to differentiate between the metadata and the content.  Whether or not this nicety is actually being observed in practice is probably important, but so far these revelations seem to indicate that what is being collected is metadata, which is then likely being used to identify content of interest which is then FISA'd.  (And, I would guess, probably automatically, without human intervention).


You really believe they stop there?
 
2013-06-13 09:45:58 AM
Curled in a ball? Hah! Renouncing one's god should be done while standing defiantly, shaking your fist at the heavens!
 
2013-06-13 09:46:03 AM

neversubmit: doglover: I've just always assumed the Feds read ALL my emails.

I've just always assumed I'm such a unimportant little bug no one has bothered to notice me let alone step on me. If I'm wrong about the first how long till I get the second?


Do you know how spiders work? Every byte you've posted online has been scanned multiple times already, I'm sure. The code searches for certain pieces of data. All matches are aggregated and filtered.

You might be an insignificant nothing in your own head, but you might as well be a world leader having your emails published in the state newspaper if you write the kind of words they want for all the security that provides from data mining.
 
2013-06-13 09:47:51 AM
I still don't understand how NOW it's an issue when this shiat was leaked back in 2006 when they were setting up data capture rooms in the various ISP fiber backbone hubs?

Can anyone explain why now we're outraged when we weren't then?
 
2013-06-13 09:48:11 AM
Looks like this guy's been reading all the V1agra and P3nis Enlargement spam I've been getting and sending off for the product.

And using it.

And applying twice as much as recommended.

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2013-06-13 09:48:19 AM
Is this 'wiretapping' any more invasive than the data ISPs and email services ALREADY pull from your email?
 
2013-06-13 09:48:31 AM

YixilTesiphon: What is the difference between this and the government reading all of your mail? It's magically different because it's on the internet?


Convenience. As long as we aren't inconvenienced by government surveillance, we'll continue to bend over and take it like we don't mind it happening.
 
2013-06-13 09:49:15 AM

Deneb81: Is this 'wiretapping' any more invasive than the data ISPs and email services ALREADY pull from your email?


Google doesn't run Gitmo.

IdBeCrazyIf: I still don't understand how NOW it's an issue when this shiat was leaked back in 2006 when they were setting up data capture rooms in the various ISP fiber backbone hubs?

Can anyone explain why now we're outraged when we weren't then?


No, people should have been pissed about this for much longer.
 
2013-06-13 09:49:37 AM
There is no god yet?? When does It get here????
 
2013-06-13 09:49:57 AM

Skleenar: Well, not to take the bait, but what they are discussing here isn't like reading your mail, it's more like reading the address of the recipient, the address of the sender, the time the message was sent and when it was delivered.


And you don't think if 60 years ago the post office had logged every letter so that they could establish patterns of who was talking to "known Communists," that would have constituted a violation of privacy?

Really, I'd be interested to hear your answer
 
2013-06-13 09:50:31 AM
So I'm guessing the regular /b/tard is more than concerned about recent events.
 
2013-06-13 09:50:34 AM
I have a treasure trove of things they are doing to watc
 
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