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2013-06-13 07:02:13 AM  
$5 says the guy that wrote the amendment would flip his shiat the first time it is used by a Muslim superior officer to "indoctrinate" other soldiers.
 
2013-06-13 07:12:52 AM  
The comments in TFA are amusing.
 
2013-06-13 07:44:58 AM  

bulldg4life: $5 says the guy that wrote the amendment would flip his shiat the first time it is used by a Muslim superior officer to "indoctrinate" other soldiers.


Or a Pagan service-member is public in any way, shape or form with their beliefs.
 
2013-06-13 07:45:46 AM  
How many times do we need to explain to people that it is NOT alright to proselytize in the military? It's getting really old.
 
2013-06-13 07:56:50 AM  

dr_blasto: The comments in TFA are amusing.


I supposed coming up with a screen like "Major Muhammad Mustafa Ali Wadi" and being outraged that you can't order your troops to attend the call to prayer would be amusing.
 
2013-06-13 08:09:11 AM  
Oh yay, it's this thread again. We get it, religious people are sooooooo picked on
 
2013-06-13 08:26:51 AM  
I somehow get the feeling we're not getting the WHOLE story here...

/the site tag may have been a clue
 
2013-06-13 08:34:40 AM  
FTA: The amendment was authored by Rep. John Fleming, R-La. It would have "required the Armed Forces to accommodate 'actions and speech' reflecting the conscience, moral, principles or religious beliefs of the member."

FTA part 2:  "With its statement, the White House is now endorsing military reprimands of members who keep a Bible on their desk or express a religious belief," Fleming told Fox News. "This administration is aggressively hostile towards religious beliefs that it deems to be politically incorrect."

Fleming's a liar, seeing as how that second part is explicitly a lie.  Good to know that Louisiana can't be bothered to elect people with actual values or morals to the House.
 
2013-06-13 08:47:10 AM  
"This administration is aggressively hostile towards religious beliefs that it deems to be politically incorrect."

What are religious beliefs that this administration deems politically correct?
 
2013-06-13 08:51:37 AM  

hinten: "This administration is aggressively hostile towards religious beliefs that it deems to be politically incorrect."

What are religious beliefs that this administration deems politically correct?


Zoroastrianism.
 
2013-06-13 08:52:57 AM  

SphericalTime: FTA: The amendment was authored by Rep. John Fleming, R-La. It would have "required the Armed Forces to accommodate 'actions and speech' reflecting the conscience, moral, principles or religious beliefs of the member."

FTA part 2:  "With its statement, the White House is now endorsing military reprimands of members who keep a Bible on their desk or express a religious belief," Fleming told Fox News. "This administration is aggressively hostile towards religious beliefs that it deems to be politically incorrect."

Fleming's a liar, seeing as how that second part is explicitly a lie.  Good to know that Louisiana can't be bothered to elect people with actual values or morals to the House.


#2 sounds an awful lot like that older lie about kids not being able to pray in school.
 
2013-06-13 08:55:45 AM  
Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, called the Obama Administration's edict a "chilling suppression of approved religious freedom."

Fixed that for you, Tony.
 
2013-06-13 08:57:27 AM  

hinten: "This administration is aggressively hostile towards religious beliefs that it deems to be politically incorrect."

What are religious beliefs that this administration deems politically correct?


Anything that isn't my brand of conservative Protestant Christianity

/or is Louisiana mostly Catholic?
 
2013-06-13 08:58:47 AM  
Telling you to let other people be is not trampling your religious freedom.

I am going to start a religion around taking creepshots of your teenage daughter.  Then scream religious persecution when I get beat by an angry mob.
 
2013-06-13 09:00:11 AM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: hinten: "This administration is aggressively hostile towards religious beliefs that it deems to be politically incorrect."

What are religious beliefs that this administration deems politically correct?

Zoroastrianism.


In Ahriman we trust. I saw that on a coin once.
 
2013-06-13 09:13:45 AM  

bulldg4life: $5 says the guy that wrote the amendment would flip his shiat the first time it is used by a Muslim superior officer to "indoctrinate" other soldiers.


Correct. I think somebody needs to ask him that specifically: "Rep. John Fleming, with this amendment, you realize that you are specifically endorsing the right of Muslim soldiers to proselytize Christian soldiers away from their religion without restrictions, correct? Can you please confirm that you are both aware of this and that this is precisely the type of religious freedom you wished to endorse?"
 
2013-06-13 09:13:49 AM  

SurfaceTension: Anything that isn't my brand of conservative Protestant Christianity
/or is Louisiana mostly Catholic?


As of 2007, 31% Evangelical Protestant, 9% Mainline Protestant, 20% Historically Black Protestant, 28% Catholic, 8% Unaffiliated; 1% apiece Muslim, Buddhist, and Jehovah's Witness; and traces of others. So, it's only a little more Catholic than the national average, and a bit short of plurality-Catholic unless you break down the Evangelical varieties.

Contrariwise, Wikipedia reports Flemming is Southern Baptist, which seems suggestive that it's "Anything that isn't his brand of conservative Protestant Christianity".
 
2013-06-13 09:16:56 AM  

SmackLT: bulldg4life: $5 says the guy that wrote the amendment would flip his shiat the first time it is used by a Muslim superior officer to "indoctrinate" other soldiers.

Correct. I think somebody needs to ask him that specifically: "Rep. John Fleming, with this amendment, you realize that you are specifically endorsing the right of Muslim soldiers to proselytize Christian soldiers away from their religion without restrictions, correct? Can you please confirm that you are both aware of this and that this is precisely the type of religious freedom you wished to endorse?"


Islam is not a religion it is a cult, therefore ineligible.

/A cult is any religion I don't approve of
 
2013-06-13 09:21:37 AM  
Doesn't matter.  He'll be impeached and [REDACTED BY NSA] before the year is over anyway.
 
2013-06-13 09:22:32 AM  
Anyone seeking to keep DOMA(or any other marriage inequality law) around wants the government to limit religious freedom.
 
2013-06-13 09:22:40 AM  

SphericalTime: FTA: The amendment was authored by Rep. John Fleming, R-La. It would have "required the Armed Forces to accommodate 'actions and speech' reflecting the conscience, moral, principles or religious beliefs of the member."


Like "thou shalt not kill", for example?
 
2013-06-13 09:23:00 AM  

Diogenes: SphericalTime: FTA: The amendment was authored by Rep. John Fleming, R-La. It would have "required the Armed Forces to accommodate 'actions and speech' reflecting the conscience, moral, principles or religious beliefs of the member."

FTA part 2:  "With its statement, the White House is now endorsing military reprimands of members who keep a Bible on their desk or express a religious belief," Fleming told Fox News. "This administration is aggressively hostile towards religious beliefs that it deems to be politically incorrect."

Fleming's a liar, seeing as how that second part is explicitly a lie.  Good to know that Louisiana can't be bothered to elect people with actual values or morals to the House.

#2 sounds an awful lot like that older lie about kids not being able to pray in school.


They can't say the Pledge of Allegiance anymore, either. Which I think is just awful.
 
2013-06-13 09:23:51 AM  
"NO, SERIOUSLY, THERE'S A WOLF!!!! WHY WON'T ANYONE BELIEVE ME?"
 
2013-06-13 09:25:57 AM  
Jeb Bush will appreciate this little boost for his 2016 campaign.
That'll make everyone happy right? The next new Neo-Con right winger president?
 
2013-06-13 09:26:54 AM  

dr_blasto: The comments in TFA are amusing.


There are sensible people posting rebuttals with their full names and pictures to the morans banging their heads on the keyboard. I fear for them.
 
2013-06-13 09:28:43 AM  
"Sorry, Sarge. I'm a card-carrying member of the Eastern Reform Napotologists, and that means to honor my God I must sleep at least 14 hours a day. Those pushups won't push my soul up to God!"
 
2013-06-13 09:29:10 AM  
i1351.photobucket.com
 
2013-06-13 09:29:16 AM  
If you're ultra-religious and you're not a chaplain, WTF are you doing in the military to begin with?
 
2013-06-13 09:29:27 AM  

abb3w: Contrariwise, Wikipedia reports Flemming is Southern Baptist, which seems suggestive that it's "Anything that isn't his brand of conservative Protestant Christianity".


Heh.  I'm sure he'd be thrilled if a Catholic colonel was requiring his unit to go to Mass or take part of Ash Wednesday.
 
2013-06-13 09:29:39 AM  
Seriously, WTF is this guys problem?

The 1st ammendment guarantees the right to religion.  This includes evangilizing (that's the whole point to Christianity).  If you can't spread the gospel, how else will you save sinners?  Especially if you are an officer and they are you're subordinates, it is your DUTY to country (In God We Trust, anyone?) and Lord to make sure they are saved.

All the pinkos crying about how they are persecuted for being Athiests (which is also a religion) are merely projecting.  The real persecution is (and always has been) against Christians.  The bible even warns about this:

Psalms 9:13
"Have mercy on me, O LORD; consider my trouble which I suffer of them that hate me, you that lift me up from the gates of death"

John 15:20
"Remember the word that I said to you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also."

Mark 13:9
"But be on your guard. For they will deliver you over to councils, and you will be beaten in synagogues, and you will stand before governors and kings for my sake, to bear witness before them.


Besides, without religion, what do you have?  A person without religion simply doesn't care about anything.  Life, death, whatever.  We're all just eventually worm food, right?

Like it or not libbos, this is and always has been a Christian nation.  That goes doubly for our military, especially when we are fighting our current Crusade (I know this gets us in trouble, but it is true) against the evils of Muslim and their false idol.
 
2013-06-13 09:31:52 AM  

stoli n coke: If you're ultra-religious and you're not a chaplain, WTF are you doing in the military to begin with?


You just love the camouflage patterns?
 
2013-06-13 09:35:11 AM  
I subscribe to the AFA's newsletter for shiats and giggles and to know whom not to boycott (Hi there, Home Depot) and they had these exact same words in their letter. In fact, it's almost as if the "author" here copypasta'd most of the whole letter.
 
2013-06-13 09:37:33 AM  

alywa: Seriously, WTF is this guys problem?

The 1st ammendment guarantees the right to religion.  This includes evangilizing (that's the whole point to Christianity).  If you can't spread the gospel, how else will you save sinners?  Especially if you are an officer and they are you're subordinates, it is your DUTY to country (In God We Trust, anyone?) and Lord to make sure they are saved.

All the pinkos crying about how they are persecuted for being Athiests (which is also a religion) are merely projecting.  The real persecution is (and always has been) against Christians.  The bible even warns about this:

Psalms 9:13
"Have mercy on me, O LORD; consider my trouble which I suffer of them that hate me, you that lift me up from the gates of death"

John 15:20
"Remember the word that I said to you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also."

Mark 13:9
"But be on your guard. For they will deliver you over to councils, and you will be beaten in synagogues, and you will stand before governors and kings for my sake, to bear witness before them.


Besides, without religion, what do you have?  A person without religion simply doesn't care about anything.  Life, death, whatever.  We're all just eventually worm food, right?

Like it or not libbos, this is and always has been a Christian nation.  That goes doubly for our military, especially when we are fighting our current Crusade (I know this gets us in trouble, but it is true) against the evils of Muslim and their false idol.


Needs more sparkly Jesus ;-)
 
2013-06-13 09:40:04 AM  
The problem with these idiots who keep trying to mix religion into politics (and there's no no-religious reasoning for DOMA or anti-gay bigotry), is that they never realize that you can't do that without also getting a little politics in your religion.

The classic example is say that this guy gets his wish and Christians are allowed to write all the laws for this country.  How's he going to like it when Catholics decide grocery stores can't sell meat on Friday, Mormons outlaw coffee, and Jehovah's Witnesses enact a fatwa against blood transfusions?

Another example: my Southern Baptist church only really celebrates 2 religious holidays: Christmas and Easter.  Sure, we do something for Halloween which was originally a religious festival, but giving out candy from the trunk of your car is nowadays more associated with child molesters than Christians.  But on the other had, we break out Old Glory and sing some patriotic songs for the 4th of July, Veterans Day, Memorial Day, and Thanksgiving.  I've always wondered how well that works for spreading Christ's message if we had a foreigner come in and sit on a pew one of those Sundays.  And the preacher's always had a special sermon ready for Mother's and Father's Days.

Long story short - the Southern Baptist Convention today recognizes twice as many political holidays as it does religious.  And it recognizes the same number of holidays started by Hallmark card advertising as those started by Christ.  Can we please get the church to stop trying to run the country and get back to being Christ-like?
 
2013-06-13 09:40:05 AM  

alywa: Seriously, WTF is this guys problem?

The 1st ammendment guarantees the right to religion.  This includes evangilizing (that's the whole point to Christianity).  If you can't spread the gospel, how else will you save sinners?  Especially if you are an officer and they are you're subordinates, it is your DUTY to country (In God We Trust, anyone?) and Lord to make sure they are saved.

All the pinkos crying about how they are persecuted for being Athiests (which is also a religion) are merely projecting.  The real persecution is (and always has been) against Christians.  The bible even warns about this:

Psalms 9:13
"Have mercy on me, O LORD; consider my trouble which I suffer of them that hate me, you that lift me up from the gates of death"

John 15:20
"Remember the word that I said to you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also."

Mark 13:9
"But be on your guard. For they will deliver you over to councils, and you will be beaten in synagogues, and you will stand before governors and kings for my sake, to bear witness before them.


Besides, without religion, what do you have?  A person without religion simply doesn't care about anything.  Life, death, whatever.  We're all just eventually worm food, right?

Like it or not libbos, this is and always has been a Christian nation.  That goes doubly for our military, especially when we are fighting our current Crusade (I know this gets us in trouble, but it is true) against the evils of Muslim and their false idol.


Strategic misspellings, excellent use of Scripture, perfect capitalizations: 8/10. Perfect score within your grasp but slipped away for using Libbos instead of Libtards.
 
2013-06-13 09:42:03 AM  

alywa: Seriously, WTF is this guys problem?

The 1st ammendment guarantees the right to religion.  This includes evangilizing (that's the whole point to Christianity).  If you can't spread the gospel, how else will you save sinners?  Especially if you are an officer and they are you're subordinates, it is your DUTY to country (In God We Trust, anyone?) and Lord to make sure they are saved.

All the pinkos crying about how they are persecuted for being Athiests (which is also a religion) are merely projecting.  The real persecution is (and always has been) against Christians.  The bible even warns about this:

Psalms 9:13
"Have mercy on me, O LORD; consider my trouble which I suffer of them that hate me, you that lift me up from the gates of death"

John 15:20
"Remember the word that I said to you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also."

Mark 13:9
"But be on your guard. For they will deliver you over to councils, and you will be beaten in synagogues, and you will stand before governors and kings for my sake, to bear witness before them.


Besides, without religion, what do you have?  A person without religion simply doesn't care about anything.  Life, death, whatever.  We're all just eventually worm food, right?

Like it or not libbos, this is and always has been a Christian nation.  That goes doubly for our military, especially when we are fighting our current Crusade (I know this gets us in trouble, but it is true) against the evils of Muslim and their false idol.


t1.gstatic.com
Fake fake fake fake fake.
 
2013-06-13 09:46:28 AM  
storage.canoe.ca
                               "Deal with it."
 
2013-06-13 09:46:31 AM  
1. Nothing Obama does now could be his first attack on the bill of rights.

2. Harassing your brothers and sisters in arms amour your Jesus bug isn't a right.
 
2013-06-13 09:46:50 AM  
Here's the thing with evangelizing in the military:  An enlisted guy can easily do it, an NCO probably shouldn't, and an officer (even a butter bar) can't.

It's like any school sales drive or girl scout cookies.  Any attempt by a superior officer to solicit sales (or beliefs) from his subordinates is severely frowned upon.  As an officer, you can't walk around telling everyone your daughter is selling girl scout cookies because it gives the  perception that you must buy cookies to curry favor with the leadership.  If the same officer goes around with a bible and tries to "sell heaven," you have the same problem.  It does not preclude the officer from going to church or (possibly) joining an office prayer circle.  You can participate in something, you just can't run it yourself.

Why is this hard to understand?
 
2013-06-13 09:47:10 AM  
FIRST move, Subby?

How about the dozen 4th Amendment shredding headlines on the Politics tab right now?
 
2013-06-13 09:49:37 AM  

BMFPitt: FIRST move, Subby?

How about the dozen 4th Amendment shredding headlines on the Politics tab right now?


Except this is an affirmation of the First Amendment, not a violation (like the 4th Amendment stuff going on).  It's intended to prevent the government's endorsement of religion.
 
2013-06-13 09:49:47 AM  
Fark needs an "Outrage" tag.
 
2013-06-13 09:53:55 AM  

Diogenes: BMFPitt: FIRST move, Subby?

How about the dozen 4th Amendment shredding headlines on the Politics tab right now?

Except this is an affirmation of the First Amendment, not a violation (like the 4th Amendment stuff going on).  It's intended to prevent the government's endorsement of religion.


And you think I believe otherwise because.....?
 
2013-06-13 09:56:06 AM  

alywa: Seriously, WTF is this guys problem?

The 1st ammendment guarantees the right to religion.  This includes evangilizing (that's the whole point to Christianity).  If you can't spread the gospel, how else will you save sinners?  Especially if you are an officer and they are you're subordinates, it is your DUTY to country (In God We Trust, anyone?) and Lord to make sure they are saved.

All the pinkos crying about how they are persecuted for being Athiests (which is also a religion) are merely projecting.  The real persecution is (and always has been) against Christians.  The bible even warns about this:

Psalms 9:13
"Have mercy on me, O LORD; consider my trouble which I suffer of them that hate me, you that lift me up from the gates of death"

John 15:20
"Remember the word that I said to you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also."

Mark 13:9
"But be on your guard. For they will deliver you over to councils, and you will be beaten in synagogues, and you will stand before governors and kings for my sake, to bear witness before them.


Besides, without religion, what do you have?  A person without religion simply doesn't care about anything.  Life, death, whatever.  We're all just eventually worm food, right?

Like it or not libbos, this is and always has been a Christian nation.  That goes doubly for our military, especially when we are fighting our current Crusade (I know this gets us in trouble, but it is true) against the evils of Muslim and their false idol.


9.I live with my mom

you almost got me.  Has a good beat, and is easy to dance to.
 
2013-06-13 09:56:26 AM  
One thing I've learned -- any legislation, amendment, or organization with "Freedom", "Liberty", or "Patriot" in the name is actually the exact opposite.

/except the EFF and the ACLU
//those guys are cool
 
2013-06-13 09:58:10 AM  

Diogenes: BMFPitt: FIRST move, Subby?

How about the dozen 4th Amendment shredding headlines on the Politics tab right now?

Except this is an affirmation of the First Amendment, not a violation (like the 4th Amendment stuff going on).  It's intended to prevent the government's endorsement of religion.


Except for the fact that these military personnel are not government employees, because the government is all lefty libs.
 
2013-06-13 09:59:38 AM  

bulldg4life: $5 says the guy that wrote the amendment would flip his shiat the first time it is used by a Muslim superior officer to "indoctrinate" other soldiers.


Like there'll ever be Muslim officers
 
2013-06-13 10:03:30 AM  

BMFPitt: Diogenes: BMFPitt: FIRST move, Subby?

How about the dozen 4th Amendment shredding headlines on the Politics tab right now?

Except this is an affirmation of the First Amendment, not a violation (like the 4th Amendment stuff going on).  It's intended to prevent the government's endorsement of religion.

And you think I believe otherwise because.....?


The way you phrased your post.  "FIRST move, Subby?" implied you believed there were others, and I concluded you considered this move another violation.  Sorry if I was in error.  But that post wasn't clear.
 
2013-06-13 10:03:59 AM  
Soldiers are the property of the Federal government.  They need to STFU and GBTW.
 
2013-06-13 10:04:43 AM  
including evangelical Christian service members who are facing growing hostility towards their religion

Oh for goodness sakes, they are not.
 
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