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(KTVB Boise)   A six-year-old's suicide stresses need to monitored for warning signs, like withdrawing from family and friends, slouching, looking sad, kicking things, and bashing toys together. In other news, subby thinks he may be a suicidal six-year-old   (ktvb.com ) divider line
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2013-06-13 08:15:56 AM  
What in the fark did I just read?

How cheery!

What'd they do kid, take your video games away from you?
 
2013-06-13 08:17:09 AM  
At that age, they are all suicidal. But it's not so much depression as unthinking.

They dash out into the road without looking. They ride their tricycles without helmets. They provoke neighborhood dogs. They don't get dressed fast enough. They don't shut up. They eat anything they can put in their mouths.

Death is much more common than you'd think at that age, but I wouldn't rule it all suicide. It just seems like the normal dumbfarkery of youth.
 
2013-06-13 08:17:18 AM  
if the headline is any indication, subby might actually be a six year old.
 
2013-06-13 08:18:17 AM  
Does your 6-year-old wax his minnow? Danger!
 
2013-06-13 08:18:40 AM  

LlamaGirl: What in the fark did I just read?

How cheery!

What'd they do kid, take your video games away from you?


Kidz Bop did a version of This Mortal Coil's "It'll End In Tears" album.
 
2013-06-13 08:23:13 AM  
Subby. I DNRTFA, I don't want to RTFA. I didn't want to know that TFA even existed. Now I'm going to have to monitor any children I have now since depression runs in the family.
 
2013-06-13 08:23:53 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Kidz Bop did a version of This Mortal Coil's "It'll End In Tears" album.


hahaha oh god.
 
2013-06-13 08:24:29 AM  

LlamaGirl: What in the fark did I just read?

How cheery!

What'd they do kid, take your video games away from you?


A large number of factors can lead to depression and disassociation.  Even things you wouldnt expect.  For example, children who move frequently dont form bonds to their surroundings in the same way as a stationary child.  When your friends, associations and environment change all the time, you no longer see a need to make people like you and get along.  They tend to value things a lot less, because farkit its all just going to change again anyhow.  Which comes across as antisocial behavior.  Which leads to a downhill type snowball effect, where it becomes even harder to "get along" with the world around them.

If I was making bets though, probably just a shiatty environment or a true chemical imbalance.
 
2013-06-13 08:24:43 AM  
So how does a six year old commit suicide?
 
2013-06-13 08:26:19 AM  

weirdneighbour: So how does a six year old commit suicide?


You know I don't want to know. And this is from a guy that watches True ER stories because I find them interesting.
 
2013-06-13 08:27:39 AM  

weirdneighbour: So how does a six year old commit suicide?


I was going to say the same thing, but it's a bit too sad to even think about
 
2013-06-13 08:31:06 AM  
Suicide by balloon animal?
 
2013-06-13 08:32:21 AM  
I'm struggling to figure out how a 6 year old can even conceive of doing such a thing.

I know there's an age difference, but death is not something my 5 year old really considers with any kind of regularity barring our requests that she empty the lightning bugs out of the jar before bed lest they die before morning or demand that she not let the dogs out of the gate so they don't get run over.

That a person could or would kill themselves is not something I would imagine her even considering without being exposed explicitly to the idea.
 
2013-06-13 08:38:20 AM  
FTFA: because statistics show one in three kids has had some sort of thought about suicide.

Can we start panicking now?
 
2013-06-13 08:39:05 AM  
FirstNationalBastard: LlamaGirl: What in the fark did I just read?

How cheery!

What'd they do kid, take your video games away from you?


Kidz Bop did a version of This Mortal Coil's "It'll End In Tears" album.


wipes keyboard . . .
 
2013-06-13 08:44:06 AM  
Yeah lots of kids say things like 'I wish i was dead.' that doesn't mean that they are all suicidal. Kids are stupid, they say stupid things.  That is why it's the job of parents and role models to teach them to be less stupid.
 
2013-06-13 08:44:59 AM  
dahuka:That a person could or would kill themselves is not something I would imagine her even considering without being exposed explicitly to the idea.

There are some unusual family or environmental situations out there that normal kids will never experience. They greatly influence kids, especially if the kids already have other biological or mental issues that contribute to having stress or depression or other problems at too early of an age for them to be able to deal with effectively.
 
2013-06-13 08:49:17 AM  
Yeah.. problem is the most common treatment for depression in this retarded country is a "Buck up Kiddo" Followed by the eventual "I dont know what went wrong." I dont understand why simple psychology is still considered quackery by the ignorant masses.
 
2013-06-13 08:51:01 AM  
Partial threadjack:

It pisses me off that even after tragedies such as Sandy Hook, there never seems to be any meaningful discussion about the understanding of children's mental health issues and in particular whether we have the ability, both at home and in our schools, to spot the warning signs.

Instead all that happens is that the anti-gun lobby fires up their crusade, the pro-gun lobby responds in kind and any hope of progress on the real issue disappears in the ensuing media circus.

End partial threadjack.
 
2013-06-13 08:56:22 AM  

TheOriginalEd: Yeah.. problem is the most common treatment for depression in this retarded country is a "Buck up Kiddo" Followed by the eventual "I dont know what went wrong." I dont understand why simple psychology is still considered quackery by the ignorant masses.


Maybe it's because advocates of simple psychology dismiss others as retarded and ignorant?
 
2013-06-13 08:56:47 AM  
"Warning signs:
Withdrawing from family and friends
Slouching
Looking and being sad
Acting out
Kicking things
Bashing toys together "


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hahaha kids acting like this. hahaha... that's some funny obama right there.
 
2013-06-13 08:58:37 AM  
Reading the symptoms I immediately thought of Obama, or Bloomberg, but most especially Congress ...
 
2013-06-13 08:59:45 AM  
Good idea, Put your children under constant surveillance. That will make them feel better.
 
2013-06-13 09:01:40 AM  

utah dude: "Warning signs:
Withdrawing from family and friends
Slouching
Looking and being sad
Acting out
Kicking things
Bashing toys together "

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hahaha kids acting like this. hahaha... that's some funny obama right there.


Clemkadidlefark: Reading the symptoms I immediately thought of Obama, or Bloomberg, but most especially Congress ...


Another mental illness we should be worrying about is the need to politicize everything.
 
2013-06-13 09:05:24 AM  
My ex-wife attempted suicide when she was 4. Family history of suicides was there (grandmother, uncle, uncle and cousin).

It does happen.
 
2013-06-13 09:08:33 AM  
Yeah, no. He was murdered and the 'rents are covering it up. 6 year olds don't do this.
 
2013-06-13 09:18:15 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: utah dude: "Warning signs:
Withdrawing from family and friends
Slouching
Looking and being sad
Acting out
Kicking things
Bashing toys together "

[imageshack.us image 320x264]
hahaha kids acting like this. hahaha... that's some funny obama right there.

Clemkadidlefark: Reading the symptoms I immediately thought of Obama, or Bloomberg, but most especially Congress ...

Another mental illness we should be worrying about is the need to politicize everything.


what the obama is wrong with you? if you don't like america you can leave, man. Ecuador is supposed to be nice.
 
2013-06-13 09:20:36 AM  
No.
Every random stupid act by a child does not require all of us to re-examine our lives
 
2013-06-13 09:21:35 AM  

willfullyobscure: Yeah, no. He was murdered and the 'rents are covering it up. 6 year olds don't do this.


Have to admit this is the first thing I thought of....
 
2013-06-13 09:24:43 AM  
Oregon's medical examiner has concluded that 6-year-old Samantha Kuberski intentionally committed suicide, making her the youngest person ever to kill herself in the state. The first-grader hanged herself in December with a belt from an unused crib, after being sent to her room for arguing with her mother

http://www.newser.com/story/85427/6-year-old-kills-herself-after-bei ng -sent-to-room.html

I don't think they really understand what it is they're doing. What kind of argument could you possibly have with a 6yo?
 
2013-06-13 09:27:20 AM  

xanadian: FTFA: because statistics show one in three kids has had some sort of thought about suicide.

Can we start panicking now?


"Some sort of thought about suicide?" That's probably the stupidest sentence I've read in a long time. Did you know that 100% of people who read this article had some sort of thought about suicide?

/Because contemplating death and it's implications is a mental disorder now instead of just being introspective.
 
2013-06-13 09:31:39 AM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: /Because contemplating death and it's implications is a mental disorder now instead of just being introspective.


i don't know, is it? i read your sentence as:

Because (Should I kill myself right now?)  contemplating death and (Should I kill myself right now?) it's implications (Should I kill myself right now?)  is a mental disorder now instead (Should I kill myself right now?) of just being introspective.
 
2013-06-13 09:47:23 AM  
And subster need to monitored an senseful headline, what the fiddly fark dude.
 
2013-06-13 10:00:59 AM  

abhorrent1: Oregon's medical examiner has concluded that 6-year-old Samantha Kuberski intentionally committed suicide, making her the youngest person ever to kill herself in the state. The first-grader hanged herself in December with a belt from an unused crib, after being sent to her room for arguing with her mother
http://www.newser.com/story/85427/6-year-old-kills-herself-after-bei ng -sent-to-room.html

I don't think they really understand what it is they're doing. What kind of argument could you possibly have with a 6yo?


Well, I don't "argue" with my kids. There's no arguing because mine is practically the Word of God. Kind of like Jesus, but not in a sacrilegious way.

If I'm arguing, I've lost.  I can't imagine arguing anything because I speak, as quietly as possible, and I expect to be obeyed (at that age, which my kids are). And when my kids get time out, I sit with them until it's done. I also tell them why they are punished, and what they need to do to avoid being punished in the future. That usually works because I can out-wait them every time.

/the suicidal dead kid is kind of a hint that the parents farked up somewhere, I think
 
2013-06-13 10:13:52 AM  

utah dude: To The Escape Zeppelin!: /Because contemplating death and it's implications is a mental disorder now instead of just being introspective.

i don't know, is it? i read your sentence as:

Because (Should I kill myself right now?)  contemplating death and (Should I kill myself right now?) it's implications (Should I kill myself right now?)  is a mental disorder now instead (Should I kill myself right now?) of just being introspective.


What are you even talking about? I was saying that the article makes it sound like thinking about death as a child, when you are only just learning about it and don't really have any concept or understand of what it is, is some kind of cry for help. I doubt few six year olds have enough concept of death to link suicide with an escape from their stresses unless someone has specifically told them and anyone that age killing themselves is doing it because they don't really understand what they're doing. The article blames external factors like stress when curiosity and a belief you're invulnerable are more likely to blame.
 
2013-06-13 10:14:43 AM  

TheOriginalEd: Yeah.. problem is the most common treatment for depression in this retarded country is a "Buck up Kiddo" Followed by the eventual "I dont know what went wrong." I dont understand why simple psychology is still considered quackery by the ignorant masses.


Because it's still a pretty soft science? And we prescribe drugs whose actions we don't understand which can cause additional psychological problems we don't understand? And our system says medicate first, listen later?

I have a friend who was a bit down, so her mom took her to a psychiatrist. In the first session, she's diagnosed as bipolar, despite in my experience never exhibiting an "up" phase. She takes he first dose, and sleeps for three days. Then she refused to take any more, and within a week she tried to kill herself. She says just the one dose really screwed with her head. Now she's still kind of messed up, but *terrified* of mental health services. So yea, psych is bang-up.

\I recognize the value of the science, but I think it's toters over-estimate its current utility. Certainly talk should come before *any* medication, but we can thank our lovely insurance system for that.
 
2013-06-13 10:23:06 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: LlamaGirl: What in the fark did I just read?

How cheery!

What'd they do kid, take your video games away from you?

Kidz Bop did a version of This Mortal Coil's "It'll End In Tears" album.


I laughed way too hard at that.
 
2013-06-13 10:37:29 AM  

utah dude: "Warning signs:
Withdrawing from family and friends
Slouching
Looking and being sad
Acting out
Kicking things
Bashing toys together "


hahaha kids acting like this. hahaha... that's some funny obama right there.


Seriously?

It is an article about a suicidal 6 year old. It could be an article about rainbows and butterflies and someone will immediately derp about Fartbama/libtards/teabaggers. It's like some kind of extremely stupid and paranoid magic.
 
2013-06-13 10:47:14 AM  
Does a 6yo even know how to tie a noose?
 
2013-06-13 11:10:27 AM  

blatz514: Does a 6yo even know how to tie a noose?


Boy scouts! We definitely learned it in girl scouts by the time I was 10. Presumably the boys are more interested in that stuff.
 
2013-06-13 11:13:00 AM  

megarian: utah dude: "Warning signs:
Withdrawing from family and friends
Slouching
Looking and being sad
Acting out
Kicking things
Bashing toys together "


hahaha kids acting like this. hahaha... that's some funny obama right there.

Seriously?

It is an article about a suicidal 6 year old. It could be an article about rainbows and butterflies and someone will immediately derp about Fartbama/libtards/teabaggers. It's like some kind of extremely stupid and paranoid magic.


I'm skeptical on the probability of a six year being suicidal.  reading that other article that one of the farkers posted it seemed like hyperbole gone wrong. Like when kids 'run away' to prove they're loved/cared about/whatever.  Only you know, they don't have a concept of death.
 
2013-06-13 11:13:30 AM  

Qellaqan: blatz514: Does a 6yo even know how to tie a noose?

Boy scouts! We definitely learned it in girl scouts by the time I was 10. Presumably the boys are more interested in that stuff.


So...did he earn the suicide badger then?
 
2013-06-13 11:15:42 AM  

Maggie_Luna: megarian: utah dude: "Warning signs:
Withdrawing from family and friends
Slouching
Looking and being sad
Acting out
Kicking things
Bashing toys together "


hahaha kids acting like this. hahaha... that's some funny obama right there.

Seriously?

It is an article about a suicidal 6 year old. It could be an article about rainbows and butterflies and someone will immediately derp about Fartbama/libtards/teabaggers. It's like some kind of extremely stupid and paranoid magic.

I'm skeptical on the probability of a six year being suicidal.  reading that other article that one of the farkers posted it seemed like hyperbole gone wrong. Like when kids 'run away' to prove they're loved/cared about/whatever.  Only you know, they don't have a concept of death.


Yeah, this, sadly. I bet he killed himself so that his family would feel bad for being so mean and they would be nicer to him in the future.
 
2013-06-13 11:25:39 AM  

namegoeshere: Maggie_Luna: megarian: utah dude: "Warning signs:
Withdrawing from family and friends
Slouching
Looking and being sad
Acting out
Kicking things
Bashing toys together "


hahaha kids acting like this. hahaha... that's some funny obama right there.

Seriously?

It is an article about a suicidal 6 year old. It could be an article about rainbows and butterflies and someone will immediately derp about Fartbama/libtards/teabaggers. It's like some kind of extremely stupid and paranoid magic.

I'm skeptical on the probability of a six year being suicidal.  reading that other article that one of the farkers posted it seemed like hyperbole gone wrong. Like when kids 'run away' to prove they're loved/cared about/whatever.  Only you know, they don't have a concept of death.

Yeah, this, sadly. I bet he killed himself so that his family would feel bad for being so mean and they would be nicer to him in the future.


I knew a six year old that would say "I'm going to kill myself." He has a shiatty home life. So I know the thought can happen. But yeah, I agree.
 
2013-06-13 11:41:25 AM  

blatz514: Qellaqan: blatz514: Does a 6yo even know how to tie a noose?

Boy scouts! We definitely learned it in girl scouts by the time I was 10. Presumably the boys are more interested in that stuff.

So...did he earn the suicide badger then?


Posthumously.
 
2013-06-13 11:59:17 AM  

weirdneighbour: So how does a six year old commit suicide?


Years ago when my son was 5 a neighbor girl tried to kill herself by setting her bed on fire. She was 7 years old and had been repeatedly sexually abused by her stepfather, which started shortly after he married her mother. The girl was 3 years old when her mother remarried.

When she told her mother she was accused of lying and beaten severely, then she was kept home until the welts and bruises were no longer visible.

After the suicide attempt the little girl was placed in a residential facility that specializes in abuse cases like hers. Her stepfather ended up in prison. Mommy dearest persisted in denying her husband had molested his stepdaughter, despite medical evidence of repeated sexual abuse.
 
2013-06-13 12:05:42 PM  

Maggie_Luna: I'm skeptical on the probability of a six year being suicidal.  reading that other article that one of the farkers posted it seemed like hyperbole gone wrong. Like when kids 'run away' to prove they're loved/cared about/whatever.  Only you know, they don't have a concept of death.


I had a lot of older relatives growing up. They were all passing away before I was 10 so I was often at the funerals. It was like a constant family get together a few times a year through that decade. I definitely understood the concept of death before I started school. Different families have varying ways of dealing with death, but ours was always pretty open about discussing what was really going on with the kids without any real problems, because it was just a part of life.
 
2013-06-13 12:19:42 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: weirdneighbour: So how does a six year old commit suicide?

Years ago when my son was 5 a neighbor girl tried to kill herself by setting her bed on fire. She was 7 years old and had been repeatedly sexually abused by her stepfather, which started shortly after he married her mother. The girl was 3 years old when her mother remarried.

When she told her mother she was accused of lying and beaten severely, then she was kept home until the welts and bruises were no longer visible.

After the suicide attempt the little girl was placed in a residential facility that specializes in abuse cases like hers. Her stepfather ended up in prison. Mommy dearest persisted in denying her husband had molested his stepdaughter, despite medical evidence of repeated sexual abuse.


Holy crap.

Poor kid :(
 
2013-06-13 12:19:57 PM  
Kid probably figured he could respawn to a better spawn point.
 
2013-06-13 12:32:26 PM  
also, my children's faults are my faults as a father. if my son farks up, it's on me because I didn't teach them the right way. no external locus bovine scatology.

yeah, my kids have put stupid things around their necks, but that's an instant spanking because I don't tolerate anything close to self destructive behavior. "go to your room" is not in my vocabulary.

/ I blame the parents. I always blame the parents.
 
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