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2013-06-13 12:27:41 AM
fta I was going fast enough to stay in front of him and took six or seven shots, then realized this was not a safe thing to be doing

That's how it is with guys. The "Oh shiat" signal takes a while to reach the "Wow cool" part of the brain.
 
2013-06-13 12:35:10 AM
At least the dude isn't dancing with it.
 
2013-06-13 01:07:53 AM
www.amarillolinux.com
 
2013-06-13 02:07:20 AM
Where wolf?
 
2013-06-13 07:03:32 AM
♫ Do do do do do do do do do do do do do do dooo ♫
 
433 [TotalFark]
2013-06-13 07:19:00 AM
He was just trying to pass.
He should make a t-shirt of it.
 
2013-06-13 07:39:40 AM
BACON BACON BACON
 
433 [TotalFark]
2013-06-13 07:54:36 AM
Could have been the Wolfen checking out his Indian Chief.
As safe as that man claims to have played it, that is an extremely frightening thing to happen and he kept is head about it.

i.cdn.turner.com
MEAT!
 
2013-06-13 08:14:30 AM
Wolves hate fast food.
 
2013-06-13 08:29:46 AM
So that's why dogs chase cars
 
2013-06-13 08:31:03 AM
What are "metres"?
 
2013-06-13 08:33:29 AM
I was once shadowed by a Ukrainian Stump Weasel for about 600yds... scary stuff
 
2013-06-13 08:33:56 AM
GET IN MA BELLY! I'M GONNA EET YA!
 
2013-06-13 08:35:19 AM
Isn't it time to take wolves off the endangered species list?

Maybe time to start culling them. They've become a bit too aggressive, as this story shows.
 
2013-06-13 08:35:48 AM
that is a pretty good pic considering he was on a bike, being chased by a wolf and trying to take a picture behind him.  i kinda want to see the rest, not just that one, though i know they will be a blurry mess.
 
2013-06-13 08:37:53 AM
If it was a chick on the motorcycle, she would have just friend-zoned him and it'd be over. The pictures would have been selfies from the wolf for a few following weeks.
 
2013-06-13 08:38:49 AM
The Sun is there.
 
2013-06-13 08:39:43 AM

whither_apophis: Where wolf?



There wolf...
 
2013-06-13 08:41:31 AM
On his seventieth birthday, my father was out on his motorcycle and hit a buzzard with his helmet.  Killed the buzzard deader than disco.  No pics of the collision, but somewhere around here we have a pic of a helmet with the birds blood on it.

/best I can do.
// yeah.  my dad is a badass.
 
2013-06-13 08:42:50 AM
Hilarious- it seems chasing any motorised vehicle is almost hard-wired into the canine brain.
 
2013-06-13 08:42:54 AM
CSB: I went to a friend's house a few years ago.  As I pulled up, I saw a fox trot across his lawn, and the street, and then into a neighbor's lawn.  I told him about it, because they had an outdoor cat.  "You might want to keep him inside for a while."  He half-grinned and made it clear he didn't believe I'd seen a fox.  A couple hours later, we were heading out, and the first thing he saw when he stepped out the door was the same fox.

"Oh.  I guess you did see a fox."

Booyah!

/now the things are everywhere
 
2013-06-13 08:44:21 AM
Was this wolf a teen?
 
2013-06-13 08:44:27 AM
Don't miss the real point here:  When wild animals become acclimated to humans and view them as a source of free food, it never works out well for the animal.  People have been feeding this wolf.  Humans now represent an easy hand-out. The wolf does what wolves do--it goes for the most easily caught food.  That said, the biker was a foolish twit, risking his life, the wolf's life, and the lives of unknown others who might be innocently driving down that road, just for the sake of a photo.  Shame.
 
2013-06-13 08:47:38 AM

cynicalbastard: Hilarious- it seems chasing any motorised vehicle is almost hard-wired into the canine brain.


Not just motorized stuff, people as well.  Watch dogs when runners go past them.  Even if they don't actually take off alongside them, you can see them think it for a second.
 
2013-06-13 08:47:55 AM

Habitual Cynic: Don't miss the real point here:  When wild animals become acclimated to humans and view them as a source of free food, it never works out well for the animal.  People have been feeding this wolf.  Humans now represent an easy hand-out. The wolf does what wolves do--it goes for the most easily caught food.  That said, the biker was a foolish twit, risking his life, the wolf's life, and the lives of unknown others who might be innocently driving down that road, just for the sake of a photo.  Shame.


So we should put nature back in its place and eat the god dam wolves
 
2013-06-13 08:48:26 AM

SlothB77: that is a pretty good pic considering he was on a bike, being chased by a wolf and trying to take a picture behind him.  i kinda want to see the rest, not just that one, though i know they will be a blurry mess.


The rest probably is a pile of splintered plastic parts and twisted metal. From wiggling the handlebars once too often turning around to get the photo.
 
2013-06-13 08:50:21 AM
A few years ago I was snowmobiling in the arrowhead of Minnesota near Lutsen and I came upon a wolf on the trail.  Followed him for a few hundred yards then thought well his heart is going to explode if this keeps up so I sped up to go around him and right as I was beside him I glanced over and he showed his fangs then jumped sidways in the woods.  It was one of the coolest things I ever saw.  We wer probably less than a two feet from each other at one point.   The next bend I went around though were a mother and child whitetail walking down the trail so I guess I ruined that guys lunch.
 
2013-06-13 08:52:34 AM

AcesFull: whither_apophis: Where wolf?


There wolf...



Everywhere a wolf wolf.
 
2013-06-13 08:52:44 AM

whither_apophis: Where wolf?


War wilf?
 
2013-06-13 08:53:51 AM

Kibbler: CSB: I went to a friend's house a few years ago.  As I pulled up, I saw a fox trot across his lawn, and the street, and then into a neighbor's lawn.  I told him about it, because they had an outdoor cat.  "You might want to keep him inside for a while."  He half-grinned and made it clear he didn't believe I'd seen a fox.  A couple hours later, we were heading out, and the first thing he saw when he stepped out the door was the same fox.

"Oh.  I guess you did see a fox."

Booyah!

/now the things are everywhere


The cat is probably a bigger threat to the Fox than the other way around,  domestic cats that are let outside wreak havoc on local ecosystems.   They have all their shots and are well fed so they kill much of the food the wildlife would otherwise catch.
 
2013-06-13 08:53:58 AM
My dog killed a wild hippo that was in our yard last week
 
2013-06-13 08:55:24 AM

Habitual Cynic: Don't miss the real point here:  When wild animals become acclimated to humans and view them as a source of free food, it never works out well for the animal.  People have been feeding this wolf.  Humans now represent an easy hand-out. The wolf does what wolves do--it goes for the most easily caught food.  That said, the biker was a foolish twit, risking his life, the wolf's life, and the lives of unknown others who might be innocently driving down that road, just for the sake of a photo.  Shame.


And yet at national parks, it's pretty common to see people feeding them even right in front of signs that say not to.  They think it's so cute to feed them, but they don't quite seem to get why it's a bad idea.


Stupid people.
 
2013-06-13 08:56:21 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Isn't it time to take wolves off the endangered species list?

Maybe time to start culling them. They've become a bit too aggressive, as this story shows.


Alberta doesn't have wolves on an endangered species list and allows hunting them. So your point?
 
2013-06-13 08:56:56 AM
I don't typically see the point in hunting predators that I wouldn't eat, but that wolf needs to be shot.
 
2013-06-13 08:59:01 AM

GalFriday: My dog killed a wild hippo that was in our yard last week


Was your dog hungry hungry?
 
2013-06-13 09:00:58 AM

SwiftFox: AverageAmericanGuy: Isn't it time to take wolves off the endangered species list?

Maybe time to start culling them. They've become a bit too aggressive, as this story shows.

Alberta doesn't have wolves on an endangered species list and allows hunting them. So your point?


We can't let them encroach into the U.S. is what I'm saying. You give those pieces of shiat a little leeway and the next thing you know they're moving in like they own the joint.
 
2013-06-13 09:05:12 AM

thecpt: GalFriday: My dog killed a wild hippo that was in our yard last week

Was your dog hungry hungry?


He was.  Not anymore, though.  It was quite a feat considering that Super Puppy is a miniature schnauzer
 
2013-06-13 09:07:35 AM
dogs hate motorcycles... so much so that the safety booklets that come with new motorcycles give tips on how to dodge a dog that is coming at you.
 
2013-06-13 09:09:38 AM

AcesFull: whither_apophis: Where wolf?


There wolf...


Why are you talking that way?
 
2013-06-13 09:12:48 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: SwiftFox: AverageAmericanGuy: Isn't it time to take wolves off the endangered species list?

Maybe time to start culling them. They've become a bit too aggressive, as this story shows.

Alberta doesn't have wolves on an endangered species list and allows hunting them. So your point?

We can't let them encroach into the U.S. is what I'm saying. You give those pieces of shiat a little leeway and the next thing you know they're moving in like they own the joint.


Ah, like wild turkeys, you mean?

We were hoping the coyotes moving in would do something to control those damn things, but they roost in the trees and coyotes can't climb.
 
2013-06-13 09:15:38 AM
Why isn't this a motorbike thread yet?
 
2013-06-13 09:20:29 AM

TheManMythLegend: The cat is probably a bigger threat to the Fox than the other way around,  domestic cats that are let outside wreak havoc on local ecosystems.   They have all their shots and are well fed so they kill much of the food the wildlife would otherwise catch.


No way.....

In my neighborhood, we have foxes, lynx, wolves (or coyotes there is a diff, but I'm not that familiar with it) and even an occasional bear. Cats don't last long around here. It is probably the lynx since they seem to be the most prevalent.

/you could be right in some environments, but domesticated animals are in NO WAY prepared to deal with the harsh realities of living in the wild.
 
2013-06-13 09:21:08 AM

ph0rk: Why isn't this a motorbike thread yet?


Wolf Fails to Outrun Indian
 
2013-06-13 09:22:39 AM

Habitual Cynic: That said, the biker was a foolish twit, risking his life, the wolf's life, and the lives of unknown others who might be innocently driving down that road, just for the sake of a photo. Shame.


Ever drive in the city or burbs?  Every other frickin car is texting while shaving or putting on make up.  And that's just the cars.  You should see what the people are doing.
 
2013-06-13 09:29:27 AM

Habitual Cynic: That said, the biker was a foolish twit, risking his life, the wolf's life,


I've been chased by a member of the Canis genus before. Once that starts, their life is worth less than my comfort. To hell with the wolf's safety.
 
2013-06-13 09:29:47 AM
He passed by a wolf and then went back to harass it to get it to chase him for a picture.  Moron.
 
2013-06-13 09:32:49 AM

TheManMythLegend: Kibbler: CSB: I went to a friend's house a few years ago.  As I pulled up, I saw a fox trot across his lawn, and the street, and then into a neighbor's lawn.  I told him about it, because they had an outdoor cat.  "You might want to keep him inside for a while."  He half-grinned and made it clear he didn't believe I'd seen a fox.  A couple hours later, we were heading out, and the first thing he saw when he stepped out the door was the same fox.

"Oh.  I guess you did see a fox."

Booyah!

/now the things are everywhere

The cat is probably a bigger threat to the Fox than the other way around,  domestic cats that are let outside wreak havoc on local ecosystems.   They have all their shots and are well fed so they kill much of the food the wildlife would otherwise catch.


That is such horseshiat.  Our house had a cornfield behind it when I was little.  We'd occasionally find the carcasses of stray cats back there that had been found and eaten by coyotes.  Never once seen a cat trotting around with a higher predator in it's mouth.
 
2013-06-13 09:34:05 AM
I don't mind the wolves, but hitting jackrabbits on I80 in Wyoming on a bike really blows.
 
2013-06-13 09:34:35 AM

Big_Fat_Liar: Habitual Cynic: That said, the biker was a foolish twit, risking his life, the wolf's life, and the lives of unknown others who might be innocently driving down that road, just for the sake of a photo. Shame.

Ever drive in the city or burbs?  Every other frickin car is texting while shaving or putting on make up.  And that's just the cars.  You should see what the people are doing.


I honestly don't understand what's wrong with shaving in a car.  I shave every day in the car with an electric razor and there's nothing distracting about it.  Maybe the people who can't shave and drive at the same time are slow-witted or dumb or something.
 
2013-06-13 09:36:34 AM

The_Original_Roxtar: dogs hate motorcycles... so much so that the safety booklets that come with new motorcycles give tips on how to dodge a dog that is coming at you.


They dont like pedal bikes either. When I was a kid there were a couple nasty dogs around we had to avoid. If you wanted to go to the local convenience store you had 2 choices...go the long way, or "make the run". Making the run involved taking a short cut through the woods (kids used to go in the woods, without adults) on the trails, one of which let out near the store...and right across the street from a house with 2 good sized dogs, both of which didnt like the bikes. We would come out of the woods, walk our bikes around a fence, then jump on and ride for all we had, as the dogs came running after us. The day we heard one of them had been hit by a car and killed was a joyous day for us. After that the other one didnt leave the front yard.
 
2013-06-13 09:37:24 AM

fireclown: On his seventieth birthday, my father was out on his motorcycle and hit a buzzard with his helmet.


Why did the buzzard have his helmet?

I've been chased by dogs while riding my motorcycle (HD). Pursuit predators are good at figuring out an intercept path when chasing you from one side. The easiest way to avoid them is to slow down a bit as they approach, then accelerate when they get close. When their intercept path is based on your slower speed, the acceleration prevents them from catching you. Once they are behind you (like this wolf) you can easily outrun them. I did have a large dog approach me from the front once. He actually went for my front tire. I accelerated and caught the side of his head with my highway peg. It flipped him over and rolled him into a ditch.
 
2013-06-13 09:38:58 AM

Carn: TheManMythLegend: Kibbler: CSB: I went to a friend's house a few years ago.  As I pulled up, I saw a fox trot across his lawn, and the street, and then into a neighbor's lawn.  I told him about it, because they had an outdoor cat.  "You might want to keep him inside for a while."  He half-grinned and made it clear he didn't believe I'd seen a fox.  A couple hours later, we were heading out, and the first thing he saw when he stepped out the door was the same fox.

"Oh.  I guess you did see a fox."

Booyah!

/now the things are everywhere

The cat is probably a bigger threat to the Fox than the other way around,  domestic cats that are let outside wreak havoc on local ecosystems.   They have all their shots and are well fed so they kill much of the food the wildlife would otherwise catch.

That is such horseshiat.  Our house had a cornfield behind it when I was little.  We'd occasionally find the carcasses of stray cats back there that had been found and eaten by coyotes.  Never once seen a cat trotting around with a higher predator in it's mouth.


That's how my family cat went.  She never strayed far from the property and had all her shots.  Hardly a stray. We found her collar and tufts of her fur (long haired siamese) about 1/4 mile away. Most likely it was the coyotes.
 
2013-06-13 09:39:03 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Isn't it time to take wolves off the endangered species list?

Maybe time to start culling them. They've become a bit too aggressive, as this story shows.


You know how wolves work, right?
 
2013-06-13 09:40:49 AM

fireclown: cynicalbastard: Hilarious- it seems chasing any motorised vehicle is almost hard-wired into the canine brain.

Not just motorized stuff, people as well.  Watch dogs when runners go past them.  Even if they don't actually take off alongside them, you can see them think it for a second.



I ran past a guy walking his doberman yesterday (beautiful dog), and oh did he want to run after after me.
 
2013-06-13 09:42:04 AM

Carn: TheManMythLegend: Kibbler: CSB: I went to a friend's house a few years ago.  As I pulled up, I saw a fox trot across his lawn, and the street, and then into a neighbor's lawn.  I told him about it, because they had an outdoor cat.  "You might want to keep him inside for a while."  He half-grinned and made it clear he didn't believe I'd seen a fox.  A couple hours later, we were heading out, and the first thing he saw when he stepped out the door was the same fox.

"Oh.  I guess you did see a fox."

Booyah!

/now the things are everywhere

The cat is probably a bigger threat to the Fox than the other way around,  domestic cats that are let outside wreak havoc on local ecosystems.   They have all their shots and are well fed so they kill much of the food the wildlife would otherwise catch.

That is such horseshiat.  Our house had a cornfield behind it when I was little.  We'd occasionally find the carcasses of stray cats back there that had been found and eaten by coyotes.  Never once seen a cat trotting around with a higher predator in it's mouth.



I'm not saying they attack other predetors but domestoic cats that are well fed kill food that would otherwise be eaten by the wildlife.  Lowering the amount of wildlife the environment can sustain.
 
2013-06-13 09:45:56 AM

TheManMythLegend: Carn: TheManMythLegend: Kibbler: CSB: I went to a friend's house a few years ago.  As I pulled up, I saw a fox trot across his lawn, and the street, and then into a neighbor's lawn.  I told him about it, because they had an outdoor cat.  "You might want to keep him inside for a while."  He half-grinned and made it clear he didn't believe I'd seen a fox.  A couple hours later, we were heading out, and the first thing he saw when he stepped out the door was the same fox.

"Oh.  I guess you did see a fox."

Booyah!

/now the things are everywhere

The cat is probably a bigger threat to the Fox than the other way around,  domestic cats that are let outside wreak havoc on local ecosystems.   They have all their shots and are well fed so they kill much of the food the wildlife would otherwise catch.

That is such horseshiat.  Our house had a cornfield behind it when I was little.  We'd occasionally find the carcasses of stray cats back there that had been found and eaten by coyotes.  Never once seen a cat trotting around with a higher predator in it's mouth.


I'm not saying they attack other predetors but domestoic cats that are well fed kill food that would otherwise be eaten by the wildlife.  Lowering the amount of wildlife the environment can sustain.


BS

cats might eat mice and small rodents in your yard. Unless you are hoarding cats, that's not enough to impact any predators higher in the chain. Most higher predators won't be doing alot of hunting in your yard. If they do, they're more likely to eat your healthy , well fed, and very tastey cat.
 
2013-06-13 09:55:35 AM
I was on my bike and stalked by a huge ass white tiger. Granted, the tiger was behind a fence at a zoo, but when I stopped he stopped. I'd move a few feet an he'd move a few feet. Creepy.

/Catechee Zoo and Preserve
 
2013-06-13 09:56:01 AM

TheManMythLegend: Carn: TheManMythLegend: Kibbler: CSB: I went to a friend's house a few years ago.  As I pulled up, I saw a fox trot across his lawn, and the street, and then into a neighbor's lawn.  I told him about it, because they had an outdoor cat.  "You might want to keep him inside for a while."  He half-grinned and made it clear he didn't believe I'd seen a fox.  A couple hours later, we were heading out, and the first thing he saw when he stepped out the door was the same fox.

"Oh.  I guess you did see a fox."

Booyah!

/now the things are everywhere

The cat is probably a bigger threat to the Fox than the other way around,  domestic cats that are let outside wreak havoc on local ecosystems.   They have all their shots and are well fed so they kill much of the food the wildlife would otherwise catch.

That is such horseshiat.  Our house had a cornfield behind it when I was little.  We'd occasionally find the carcasses of stray cats back there that had been found and eaten by coyotes.  Never once seen a cat trotting around with a higher predator in it's mouth.


I'm not saying they attack other predetors but domestoic cats that are well fed kill food that would otherwise be eaten by the wildlife.  Lowering the amount of wildlife the environment can sustain.


Also probably bullshiat.  Do you know why we have the phrase "breed like rabbits"?  Because they can have babies every two weeks.  So can other rodents such as mice, rats, voles, moles and squirrels, and foxes and coyotes kill and eat these too.  I think it is far more likely that humans expanding suburbs and plowing under hundreds of thousands of acres of land aka environment that these animals lived on is the cause of their numbers decreasing.  And I believe coyotes have been expanding back into the 'burbs and their populations are on the rise.  Don't know about foxes.  This "housecats are eating all their food!" is an unsupported, ridiculous argument.  We had housecats growing up and one in particular pretty much killed all her food during 6 months of the year.  There were always more rodents and birds where those came from and we were in a suburb.
 
2013-06-13 09:57:03 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: SwiftFox: AverageAmericanGuy: Isn't it time to take wolves off the endangered species list?

Maybe time to start culling them. They've become a bit too aggressive, as this story shows.

Alberta doesn't have wolves on an endangered species list and allows hunting them. So your point?

We can't let them encroach into the U.S. is what I'm saying. You give those pieces of shiat a little leeway and the next thing you know they're moving in like they own the joint.


Hey! Albertans aren't that bad!
 
2013-06-13 09:57:10 AM

fireclown: On his seventieth birthday, my father was out on his motorcycle and hit a buzzard with his helmet.  Killed the buzzard deader than disco.  No pics of the collision, but somewhere around here we have a pic of a helmet with the birds blood on it.

/best I can do.
// yeah.  my dad is a badass.


My last bike had a dent in the tank from a farking buzzard hitting it.
 
2013-06-13 09:57:43 AM

Strik3r: TheManMythLegend: Carn: TheManMythLegend: Kibbler: CSB: I went to a friend's house a few years ago.  As I pulled up, I saw a fox trot across his lawn, and the street, and then into a neighbor's lawn.  I told him about it, because they had an outdoor cat.  "You might want to keep him inside for a while."  He half-grinned and made it clear he didn't believe I'd seen a fox.  A couple hours later, we were heading out, and the first thing he saw when he stepped out the door was the same fox.

"Oh.  I guess you did see a fox."

Booyah!

/now the things are everywhere

The cat is probably a bigger threat to the Fox than the other way around,

That is such horseshiat.  Our house had a cornfield behind it when I was little.  We'd occasionally find the carcasses of stray cats back there that had been found and eaten by coyotes.  Never once seen a cat trotting around with a higher predator in it's mouth.

I'm not saying they attack other predetors but domestoic cats that are well fed kill food that would otherwise be eaten by the wildlife.  Lowering the amount of wildlife the environment can sustain.

cats might eat mice and small rodents in your yard. Unless you are hoarding cats, that's not enough to impact any predators higher in the chain. Most higher predators won't be doing alot of hunting in your yard. If they do, they're more likely to eat your healthy , well fed, and very tastey cat.


We have hawks.  Domestic kitty=mealtime for hawk.  So when Fluffy pops out into to open to chase down a mouse that would barely be a morsel for the hawk...as you say, it's kinda like Chinese food for raptors.
 
2013-06-13 09:57:49 AM
Maybe the wolf just wanted to go for a ride

www.rubberonroad.com
 
2013-06-13 10:00:00 AM
Photoshopped


Look--he's standing still.
 
2013-06-13 10:00:26 AM
Cats don't stay in your yard.

Pet house cats kill millions of songbirds in the United States every year. What's the best way to keep a cat from killing birds? Keep it in the house.
When dropped off in the country or left to fend for themselves on farms, house cats become wild. Wild house cats are one of Minnesota's most common predators.
http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/young_naturalists/wildcats/index.html">ht tp://www.dnr.state.mn.us/young_naturalists/wildcats/index.html
 
2013-06-13 10:01:26 AM
Thunderpipes


What are "metres"?


What triplets call themselves.
 
2013-06-13 10:01:45 AM
This is why I never leave the house without a handful of mini-liquor bottles and duct tape.
 
2013-06-13 10:04:47 AM

Carn: TheManMythLegend: Kibbler: CSB: I went to a friend's house a few years ago.  As I pulled up, I saw a fox trot across his lawn, and the street, and then into a neighbor's lawn.  I told him about it, because they had an outdoor cat.  "You might want to keep him inside for a while."  He half-grinned and made it clear he didn't believe I'd seen a fox.  A couple hours later, we were heading out, and the first thing he saw when he stepped out the door was the same fox.

"Oh.  I guess you did see a fox."

Booyah!

/now the things are everywhere

The cat is probably a bigger threat to the Fox than the other way around,  domestic cats that are let outside wreak havoc on local ecosystems.   They have all their shots and are well fed so they kill much of the food the wildlife would otherwise catch.

That is such horseshiat.  Our house had a cornfield behind it when I was little.  We'd occasionally find the carcasses of stray cats back there that had been found and eaten by coyotes.  Never once seen a cat trotting around with a higher predator in it's mouth.


Yeah, there's usually some made-up statistic thrown around when people want to start banning outdoor cats.  "Oh my Gawd -- the cats -- ecological disaster!"  These same people forget that we artificially inflate the bird population as well as a whole host of bird diseases with gigantic bird feeders, baths, etc.  Lyme's disease ticks, West Nile, encephalitis, etc.  The most I ever saw my old cat get (and she was an active hunter) was the occasional bird that flew into the window when the hawk startled them.

The fox on the other hand, I watch them eat EVERYTHING around here.  No more baby turkeys.  And the squirrel population seems to be declining nicely.
 
2013-06-13 10:07:13 AM

TheManMythLegend: A few years ago I was snowmobiling in the arrowhead of Minnesota near Lutsen and I came upon a wolf on the trail.  Followed him for a few hundred yards then thought well his heart is going to explode if this keeps up so I sped up to go around him and right as I was beside him I glanced over and he showed his fangs then jumped sidways in the woods.  It was one of the coolest things I ever saw.  We wer probably less than a two feet from each other at one point.   The next bend I went around though were a mother and child whitetail walking down the trail so I guess I ruined that guys lunch.




Last November a buddy and I were set up on an unnamed lake out in the bush on a caribou hunt. It was cold - damn cold - but there were tracks everywhere and we knew it was just a matter of time before the herd passed through on the way to forage.

We waited for 5 hours, freezing our nards off, before I saw a slight movement in the brush. Put the glass on it and saw a wolf watching us with an expression *exactly* like a classic troll face. I could almost hear it thinking " You mad Bro's?"

We packed up and headed home. That caribou herd was long gone if the wolves were around.
 
2013-06-13 10:12:57 AM

TheManMythLegend: Cats don't stay in your yard.

Pet house cats kill millions of songbirds in the United States every year. What's the best way to keep a cat from killing birds? Keep it in the house.
When dropped off in the country or left to fend for themselves on farms, house cats become wild. Wild house cats are one of Minnesota's most common predators.
http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/young_naturalists/wildcats/index.html">ht tp://www.dnr.state.mn.us/young_naturalists/wildcats/index.html


How many millions of songbirds are there?  Do have the numbers on how many songbirds get run over by vehicles?  How about poisoned by agricultural chemicals?  Lose their habitat when another suburb goes up?

Should people dump their animals into the wild?  Of course not.  Saying that dumping animals is bad is an entirely different argument than saying that people shouldn't let their actual pet outside.  Usually the argument on the animals shows is "it's safer for your kitty" not "please do not unleash the destroyer".  Are housecats single-handedly taking over the food chain and annihilating everything in sight?  No, that's farking ridiculous.  All those other actual wildcats on the site you linked will kill and eat a housecat, feral or otherwise, that's on its turf.  So will any other large predator including the ones we've been talking about, including foxes if it's a smaller cat.
 
2013-06-13 10:13:03 AM

TheManMythLegend: Cats don't stay in your yard.

Pet house cats kill millions of songbirds in the United States every year. What's the best way to keep a cat from killing birds? Keep it in the house.
When dropped off in the country or left to fend for themselves on farms, house cats become wild. Wild house cats are one of Minnesota's most common predators.
http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/young_naturalists/wildcats/index.html">ht tp://www.dnr.state.mn.us/young_naturalists/wildcats/index.html


It's true; they kill for entertainment what other predators require for survival.  Development is a bigger concern but reduction of food supply hurts the wildlife trying to make it in the burbs.

http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/animals/blog s/outdoor-cats-are-prolif ic-killers-study-finds
 
2013-06-13 10:15:37 AM

Carn: TheManMythLegend: Cats don't stay in your yard.

Pet house cats kill millions of songbirds in the United States every year. What's the best way to keep a cat from killing birds? Keep it in the house.
When dropped off in the country or left to fend for themselves on farms, house cats become wild. Wild house cats are one of Minnesota's most common predators.
http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/young_naturalists/wildcats/index.html">ht tp://www.dnr.state.mn.us/young_naturalists/wildcats/index.html

How many millions of songbirds are there?  Do have the numbers on how many songbirds get run over by vehicles?  How about poisoned by agricultural chemicals?  Lose their habitat when another suburb goes up?

Should people dump their animals into the wild?  Of course not.  Saying that dumping animals is bad is an entirely different argument than saying that people shouldn't let their actual pet outside.  Usually the argument on the animals shows is "it's safer for your kitty" not "please do not unleash the destroyer".  Are housecats single-handedly taking over the food chain and annihilating everything in sight?  No, that's farking ridiculous.  All those other actual wildcats on the site you linked will kill and eat a housecat, feral or otherwise, that's on its turf.  So will any other large predator including the ones we've been talking about, including foxes if it's a smaller cat.


Songbirds are on the decline because of habitat loss.   The next time you see them clearcut and area to put a Walmart in, that's why.
 
2013-06-13 10:22:04 AM
That wolf must have been hungry.

If only there was some type of musical/lyrical simile to compare what that wolf was hungry like....

/Howl and a whine
//Scent and a sound
 
2013-06-13 10:31:23 AM

GalFriday: My dog killed a wild hippo that was in our yard last week


Who invited the fat guy to a barbecue?  If he was hogging the food table, that's what he gets.
 
2013-06-13 10:32:31 AM

Eurotrip: TheManMythLegend: Cats don't stay in your yard.

Pet house cats kill millions of songbirds in the United States every year. What's the best way to keep a cat from killing birds? Keep it in the house.
When dropped off in the country or left to fend for themselves on farms, house cats become wild. Wild house cats are one of Minnesota's most common predators.
http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/young_naturalists/wildcats/index.html">ht tp://www.dnr.state.mn.us/young_naturalists/wildcats/index.html

It's true; they kill for entertainment what other predators require for survival.  Development is a bigger concern but reduction of food supply hurts the wildlife trying to make it in the burbs.

http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/animals/blog s/outdoor-cats-are-prolif ic-killers-study-finds


That article says "The researchers found the cats that killed did so about 2.1 times every week they spent outside."  2 times per week?  A mama rat can pop out ten babies in two weeks.  Plenty of rats for everybody!

The study that the article links to says "While loss of habitat is the primary cause of species extinctions, cats are responsible for the extinction of at least 33 species of birds around the world."  How could they even write that sentence in good conscience.  They state that habitat loss is the primary cause of extinctions then just toss out an unsupported claim that cats have caused 33 extinctions.  I will actually agree with them that we should treat feral cats as invasive species and at the very least they should be captured and spayed/neutered.  Again, this is an entirely different matter than whether Fluffy is wiping out all life in her territory.
 
2013-06-13 10:35:00 AM
cache.ohinternet.com
 
2013-06-13 10:35:13 AM
You ride a fart noise machine?
 
2013-06-13 10:35:19 AM
Eurotrip
It's true; they kill for entertainment what other predators require for survival.


But do the well-fed housecats actually eat what they kill?
Because there's a chance that the dead, slightly-nibbled-at songbird becomes a free meal for someone else.
Well, assuming the dead, slightly-nibbled-at songbird doesn't end up under your bed or behind the sofa.
 
2013-06-13 10:35:29 AM
One thing I think we can ALL agree on is to declaw your cat.
 
2013-06-13 10:36:47 AM
And his hair was perfect
 
2013-06-13 10:37:51 AM
The Northerners will never forget.

/cool pic
//cooler town
 
2013-06-13 10:40:05 AM

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Maybe the wolf just wanted to go for a ride

[www.rubberonroad.com image 850x531]


Yeah wolves like going for rides

bitchstolemyremote.com
 
2013-06-13 10:40:37 AM

oldass31: I honestly don't understand what's wrong with shaving in a car.  I shave every day in the car with an electric razor and there's nothing distracting about it.


Well, it's easy if you use an electric razor.
 
2013-06-13 10:41:27 AM

Eurotrip: TheManMythLegend: Cats don't stay in your yard.

Pet house cats kill millions of songbirds in the United States every year. What's the best way to keep a cat from killing birds? Keep it in the house.
When dropped off in the country or left to fend for themselves on farms, house cats become wild. Wild house cats are one of Minnesota's most common predators.
http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/young_naturalists/wildcats/index.html">ht tp://www.dnr.state.mn.us/young_naturalists/wildcats/index.html

It's true; they kill for entertainment what other predators require for survival.  Development is a bigger concern but reduction of food supply hurts the wildlife trying to make it in the burbs.

http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/animals/blog s/outdoor-cats-are-prolif ic-killers-study-finds


Mostly the cats don't eat the animals they catch if they're well fed. I live in a retirement community where everyone has food out for the racoons and cats. I've got 4 ferals around my place that'll leave a bird's headless body to be served up to lesser carnivores in the area. Maybe it's bait....Cats make life easier for small animals, so eco-wreckers ain't the whole truth.
 
2013-06-13 10:43:48 AM

Magnanimous_J: One thing I think we can ALL agree on is to declaw your cat.


Not if they're outdoor kitties. You trying to get them killed?!?
 
2013-06-13 10:44:14 AM

ph0rk: Why isn't this a motorbike thread yet?


Wolves and bobcats are cuter. /Pet & Animal thread.
 
2013-06-13 10:44:56 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: SwiftFox: AverageAmericanGuy: Isn't it time to take wolves off the endangered species list?

Maybe time to start culling them. They've become a bit too aggressive, as this story shows.

Alberta doesn't have wolves on an endangered species list and allows hunting them. So your point?

We can't let them encroach into the U.S. is what I'm saying. You give those pieces of shiat a little leeway and the next thing you know they're moving in like they own the joint.


You're confusing wolves with coyotes.
 
2013-06-13 10:45:47 AM

The Voice of Doom: Eurotrip
It's true; they kill for entertainment what other predators require for survival.

But do the well-fed housecats actually eat what they kill?
Because there's a chance that the dead, slightly-nibbled-at songbird becomes a free meal for someone else.
Well, assuming the dead, slightly-nibbled-at songbird doesn't end up under your bed or behind the sofa.


Most don't because they are already full of hi vitamine food from home.

Unless the animal is a scavenger predators won't eat things already dead.  Dead things have a lot of disieases and maggots etc.
 
2013-06-13 10:47:46 AM
If he had loud pipes im sure it would have saved his life, rite?
 
2013-06-13 10:48:07 AM

whither_apophis: Where wolf?


London?
 
2013-06-13 10:49:52 AM

TheManMythLegend: The Voice of Doom: Eurotrip
It's true; they kill for entertainment what other predators require for survival.

But do the well-fed housecats actually eat what they kill?
Because there's a chance that the dead, slightly-nibbled-at songbird becomes a free meal for someone else.
Well, assuming the dead, slightly-nibbled-at songbird doesn't end up under your bed or behind the sofa.

Most don't because they are already full of hi vitamine food from home.

Unless the animal is a scavenger predators won't eat things already dead.  Dead things have a lot of disieases and maggots etc.


Scavengers make up an entire class..... should we not feed them either?

/that tends to increase the disease......
 
2013-06-13 10:52:02 AM

NoGods: fireclown: On his seventieth birthday, my father was out on his motorcycle and hit a buzzard with his helmet.

Why did the buzzard have his helmet?

I've been chased by dogs while riding my motorcycle (HD). Pursuit predators are good at figuring out an intercept path when chasing you from one side. The easiest way to avoid them is to slow down a bit as they approach, then accelerate when they get close. When their intercept path is based on your slower speed, the acceleration prevents them from catching you. Once they are behind you (like this wolf) you can easily outrun them. I did have a large dog approach me from the front once. He actually went for my front tire. I accelerated and caught the side of his head with my highway peg. It flipped him over and rolled him into a ditch.


That must have been scary as all hell!  Shiny side up, rubber side down brother.
 
2013-06-13 10:52:20 AM

TheManMythLegend: The Voice of Doom: Eurotrip
It's true; they kill for entertainment what other predators require for survival.

But do the well-fed housecats actually eat what they kill?
Because there's a chance that the dead, slightly-nibbled-at songbird becomes a free meal for someone else.
Well, assuming the dead, slightly-nibbled-at songbird doesn't end up under your bed or behind the sofa.

Most don't because they are already full of hi vitamine food from home.

Unless the animal is a scavenger predators won't eat things already dead.  Dead things have a lot of disieases and maggots etc.


encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
Buzzards gotta eat; same as maggots.
 
2013-06-13 10:55:28 AM

KidneyStone: I was on my bike and stalked by a huge ass white tiger. Granted, the tiger was behind a fence at a zoo, but when I stopped he stopped. I'd move a few feet an he'd move a few feet. Creepy.

/Catechee Zoo and Preserve


Ching, ching bike or vroom vroom bike?
 
2013-06-13 10:58:42 AM

MemeSlave: AverageAmericanGuy: Isn't it time to take wolves off the endangered species list?

Maybe time to start culling them. They've become a bit too aggressive, as this story shows.

You know how wolves work, right?


Apparently not.  Wolves only kill if their territory is threatened or they are hungry.  Most wolves will stay clear of humans.  Coyotes, on the other hand, will kill something and not even eat it as they kill for pleasure as well as food.  Coyotes are more of a direct threat to humans than wolves are.
 
2013-06-13 10:59:21 AM

FTDA: KidneyStone: I was on my bike and stalked by a huge ass white tiger. Granted, the tiger was behind a fence at a zoo, but when I stopped he stopped. I'd move a few feet an he'd move a few feet. Creepy.

/Catechee Zoo and Preserve

Ching, ching bike or vroom vroom bike?


That's racist
 
2013-06-13 11:02:58 AM

Plant Rights Activist: This is why I never leave the house without a handful of mini-liquor bottles and duct tape.


You're going to date rape a wild animal?
 
2013-06-13 11:04:42 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-13 11:08:07 AM
i651.photobucket.com
 
2013-06-13 11:09:52 AM

trappedspirit: FTDA: KidneyStone: I was on my bike and stalked by a huge ass white tiger. Granted, the tiger was behind a fence at a zoo, but when I stopped he stopped. I'd move a few feet an he'd move a few feet. Creepy.

/Catechee Zoo and Preserve

Ching, ching bike or vroom vroom bike?

That's racist


Damnit, I've been spotted!

/unintentional racism.
 
2013-06-13 11:22:33 AM

FTDA: trappedspirit: FTDA: KidneyStone: I was on my bike and stalked by a huge ass white tiger. Granted, the tiger was behind a fence at a zoo, but when I stopped he stopped. I'd move a few feet an he'd move a few feet. Creepy.

/Catechee Zoo and Preserve

Ching, ching bike or vroom vroom bike?

That's racist

Damnit, I've been spotted!

/unintentional racism.


I believe the term is "Accidental Racist".....

/obscure ?
 
2013-06-13 11:28:58 AM

Strik3r: FTDA: trappedspirit: FTDA: KidneyStone: I was on my bike and stalked by a huge ass white tiger. Granted, the tiger was behind a fence at a zoo, but when I stopped he stopped. I'd move a few feet an he'd move a few feet. Creepy.

/Catechee Zoo and Preserve

Ching, ching bike or vroom vroom bike?

That's racist

Damnit, I've been spotted!

/unintentional racism.

I believe the term is "Accidental Racist".....

/obscure ?


You are correct in that I used the wrong phrase.  With, "ching ching," I was attempting to emulate the sound of a bicycle bell; not conjure the image of George Takai (who is awesome) riding a tricycle down main street.  FML, I just can't pull my foot out of my mouth today!
 
2013-06-13 11:38:18 AM
They told me he was bad, but I knew he was sad. That's why I fell for...

ring.cdandlp.com
 
2013-06-13 11:43:44 AM
Reminds me of those damn wolves in Red Dead Redemption
 
2013-06-13 11:54:47 AM

FTDA: MemeSlave: AverageAmericanGuy: Isn't it time to take wolves off the endangered species list?

Maybe time to start culling them. They've become a bit too aggressive, as this story shows.

You know how wolves work, right?

Apparently not.  Wolves only kill if their territory is threatened or they are hungry.  Most wolves will stay clear of humans.  Coyotes, on the other hand, will kill something and not even eat it as they kill for pleasure as well as food.  Coyotes are more of a direct threat to humans than wolves are.


Do you realize that this was wolf territory before it was motorcycle territory?
 
2013-06-13 11:57:08 AM
I saw one trotting the the middle of the street awhile back.  He did have a police escort.  One RCMP cruiser in front by 1/2 block, another cruiser behind 1/2 block and a truck with a spotlight a block to the right to make sure it didn't go into the residential area.  He eventually went off back into the woods.

I live right near 3 packs.  One the north, who do come into town, although, very rarely, and 2 to the south.  One is in a national park, so they're seen once in awhile, the other is in a very rugged area where few go.  They are rarely seen, but they are heard by campers in the area.
 
2013-06-13 11:58:47 AM

Strik3r: FTDA: trappedspirit: FTDA: KidneyStone: I was on my bike and stalked by a huge ass white tiger. Granted, the tiger was behind a fence at a zoo, but when I stopped he stopped. I'd move a few feet an he'd move a few feet. Creepy.

/Catechee Zoo and Preserve

Ching, ching bike or vroom vroom bike?

That's racist

Damnit, I've been spotted!

/unintentional racism.

I believe the term is "Accidental Racist".....

/obscure ?


Or "Occidental Racist"...
 
2013-06-13 12:07:05 PM

MemeSlave: FTDA: MemeSlave: AverageAmericanGuy: Isn't it time to take wolves off the endangered species list?

Maybe time to start culling them. They've become a bit too aggressive, as this story shows.

You know how wolves work, right?

Apparently not.  Wolves only kill if their territory is threatened or they are hungry.  Most wolves will stay clear of humans.  Coyotes, on the other hand, will kill something and not even eat it as they kill for pleasure as well as food.  Coyotes are more of a direct threat to humans than wolves are.

Do you realize that this was wolf territory before it was motorcycle territory?


I most certainly do.  Even though I ride motorcycles, I'm siding with the wolf.
 
2013-06-13 12:12:28 PM
Here is my wolf story.

About a dozen years ago, just a couple of years after they reintroduced wolves to the White Mountains in AZ I was hiking in the wilderness there, a long day hike about 20 miles or so.  As I was walking down the trail about eight miles from the trailhead, the trail crossed a stream. It just so happened that I was approaching from downwind and I noticed a juvenile deer standing by the streaming drinking water. So I stopped my 50 yards away and and gazed at it for a moment while I was getting my water bottle from my backpack. I had probably stopped no more than a minute or two when these two gray wolves leaped from beside the stream bank and ravaged that deer. The struggle must have took 30 seconds and it was dead. Clearly, none of them knew I was there. Needless to say, I was little bit shocked and I almost turned around and went back because I didn't feel like tangling with two obviously hungry wolves. But I figured what the hell and just started walking up the trail which passed no more than 20 feet from where they were at. Well, it didn't take long for them to figure out I was around because they turned around and started snarling at me. That;s when I realized they thought I wanted their prey. That gave me confidence and so I just sauntered up the trail right pasted them. Twice, they turned on me with their blood stained snouts and snarled but made no aggressive moves.

One of my great "nature is badass" moments
 
2013-06-13 12:16:20 PM
And the lesson here is don't fark with the Starks unless you have a motorbike.
 
2013-06-13 12:39:38 PM

Sultan Of Herf: The_Original_Roxtar: dogs hate motorcycles... so much so that the safety booklets that come with new motorcycles give tips on how to dodge a dog that is coming at you.

They dont like pedal bikes either. When I was a kid there were a couple nasty dogs around we had to avoid. If you wanted to go to the local convenience store you had 2 choices...go the long way, or "make the run". Making the run involved taking a short cut through the woods (kids used to go in the woods, without adults) on the trails, one of which let out near the store...and right across the street from a house with 2 good sized dogs, both of which didnt like the bikes. We would come out of the woods, walk our bikes around a fence, then jump on and ride for all we had, as the dogs came running after us. The day we heard one of them had been hit by a car and killed was a joyous day for us. After that the other one didnt leave the front yard.


I haven't put this to my own test yet, but I have read that the reason dogs chase (pedal powered) cyclists is they like the movement of your legs. The trick is to not pedal and coast by them if you can. Which sounds fine, until you get the dog that likes to chase you, on an uphill route.
 
2013-06-13 01:03:49 PM
I bet the biker thought he was 30 seconds away and was surprised when the wolf covered the distance in 10.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-13 01:06:41 PM
Racism Bat shines upon this thread's shenanigans
img.photobucket.com
/Bringing him back
 
2013-06-13 01:20:07 PM
thurmanhubbard.com
 
2013-06-13 01:20:20 PM

jfivealive: Habitual Cynic: Don't miss the real point here:  When wild animals become acclimated to humans and view them as a source of free food, it never works out well for the animal.  People have been feeding this wolf.  Humans now represent an easy hand-out. The wolf does what wolves do--it goes for the most easily caught food.  That said, the biker was a foolish twit, risking his life, the wolf's life, and the lives of unknown others who might be innocently driving down that road, just for the sake of a photo.  Shame.

So we should put nature back in its place and eat the god dam wolves


I thought the implication was pretty clear, but I'll try and spell it out for you in smaller words.

Don't feed wild animals.  Not ducks, not sea gulls, not gators, and certainly not wolves.

Besides, wolf doesn't taste good and the meat is quite tough.  Their hide will make a nifty vest, though.

Sheesh...
 
2013-06-13 01:36:38 PM
I was chased by a wolf while on my motorbike.

How a wolf got on my motorbike, I'll never know.

Although I hear the community college does offer a reasonably priced introductory Motorcycle Safety course for lupines and curs, so maybe I'm just not seeing the big picture.
 
2013-06-13 02:50:05 PM

Sultan Of Herf: The_Original_Roxtar: dogs hate motorcycles... so much so that the safety booklets that come with new motorcycles give tips on how to dodge a dog that is coming at you.

They dont like pedal bikes either. When I was a kid there were a couple nasty dogs around we had to avoid. If you wanted to go to the local convenience store you had 2 choices...go the long way, or "make the run". Making the run involved taking a short cut through the woods (kids used to go in the woods, without adults) on the trails, one of which let out near the store...and right across the street from a house with 2 good sized dogs, both of which didnt like the bikes. We would come out of the woods, walk our bikes around a fence, then jump on and ride for all we had, as the dogs came running after us. The day we heard one of them had been hit by a car and killed was a joyous day for us. After that the other one didnt leave the front yard.


You know when I was a kid my neighbor used to have a couple of dogs like that. Well we got some small animal traps, the kind that clamp down on the farkers leg, and taunted them into running after us right into those traps breaking their legs. Those dogs never chased a kid again.
 
2013-06-13 03:06:13 PM

Mikeyworld: Eurotrip: TheManMythLegend: Cats don't stay in your yard.

Pet house cats kill millions of songbirds in the United States every year. What's the best way to keep a cat from killing birds? Keep it in the house.
When dropped off in the country or left to fend for themselves on farms, house cats become wild. Wild house cats are one of Minnesota's most common predators.
http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/young_naturalists/wildcats/index.html">ht tp://www.dnr.state.mn.us/young_naturalists/wildcats/index.html

It's true; they kill for entertainment what other predators require for survival.  Development is a bigger concern but reduction of food supply hurts the wildlife trying to make it in the burbs.

http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/animals/blog s/outdoor-cats-are-prolif ic-killers-study-finds

Mostly the cats don't eat the animals they catch if they're well fed. I live in a retirement community where everyone has food out for the racoons and cats. I've got 4 ferals around my place that'll leave a bird's headless body to be served up to lesser carnivores in the area. Maybe it's bait....Cats make life easier for small animals, so eco-wreckers ain't the whole truth.


So your arguement is that cats (and remember, we're talking about potentially many cats in an area, being sustained by humans above what would naturally be allowed) killing birds for fun (often in greater numbers than they would for sustenance) has no significant effect on the ecosystem because other animals can eat what they leave? ...I don't think you quite understand how an ecosystem works.
 
2013-06-13 03:20:06 PM

worlddan: Here is my wolf story.

About a dozen years ago, just a couple of years after they reintroduced wolves to the White Mountains in AZ I was hiking in the wilderness there, a long day hike about 20 miles or so.  As I was walking down the trail about eight miles from the trailhead, the trail crossed a stream. It just so happened that I was approaching from downwind and I noticed a juvenile deer standing by the streaming drinking water. So I stopped my 50 yards away and and gazed at it for a moment while I was getting my water bottle from my backpack. I had probably stopped no more than a minute or two when these two gray wolves leaped from beside the stream bank and ravaged that deer. The struggle must have took 30 seconds and it was dead. Clearly, none of them knew I was there. Needless to say, I was little bit shocked and I almost turned around and went back because I didn't feel like tangling with two obviously hungry wolves. But I figured what the hell and just started walking up the trail which passed no more than 20 feet from where they were at. Well, it didn't take long for them to figure out I was around because they turned around and started snarling at me. That;s when I realized they thought I wanted their prey. That gave me confidence and so I just sauntered up the trail right pasted them. Twice, they turned on me with their blood stained snouts and snarled but made no aggressive moves.

One of my great "nature is badass" moments


And the lesson here is that deer are their natural prey and you are not.  Wild animals are not out to eat you 24x7.
 
2013-06-13 04:03:48 PM
Bartlett decided to turn around to try to get a photo of the wolf

"He was definitely chasing me,"


When a wolf is "definitely chasing you", you don't have to chase him down to get a picture.

worlddan: Clearly, none of them knew I was there.


The wolves probably knew.  They may have been worried you would spook off the deer, leaving them hungry.
 
2013-06-13 04:07:48 PM

tiamet4: Mikeyworld: Eurotrip: TheManMythLegend: Cats don't stay in your yard.

Pet house cats kill millions of songbirds in the United States every year.  Wild house cats are one of Minnesota's most common predators.
http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/young_naturalists/wildcats/index.html">ht tp://www.dnr.state.mn.us/young_naturalists/wildcats/index.html

Development is a bigger concern but reduction of food supply hurts the wildlife trying to make it in the burbs.

http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/animals/blog s/outdoor-cats-are-prolif ic-killers-study-finds

Mostly the cats don't eat the animals they catch if they're well fed. I live in a retirement community where everyone has food out for the racoons and cats. I've got 4 ferals around my place that'll leave a bird's headless body to be served up to lesser carnivores in the area. Maybe it's bait....Cats make life easier for small animals, so eco-wreckers ain't the whole truth.

So your arguement is that cats (and remember, we're talking about potentially many cats in an area, being sustained by humans above what would naturally be allowed) killing birds for fun (often in greater numbers than they would for sustenance) has no significant effect on the ecosystem because other animals can eat what they leave? ...I don't think you quite understand how an ecosystem works.


I don't understand eco-systems... your solution is to not have cats or, at least. to keep them inside. That's natural? If everyone kept their kitty inside, who would stop the feral ones? The cat  is out of the bag, there is no putting them back in. Every damn time some human tries to make nature into his own vision, the ecology gets more lopsided, And every time a human tries to correct it, it gets even worse. Simply put, We should let nature take its course. Since we have decimated most of the higher predators around us, cats and dogs are the only thing keeping us humans from being awash in vermin. You want to upset that, too. ...Because somebody's got to think of the mice. Cats are making them smarter, one generation at a time, unlike us humans.
 
2013-06-13 05:17:37 PM

Mikeyworld: tiamet4: Mikeyworld: Eurotrip: TheManMythLegend: Cats don't stay in your yard.

Pet house cats kill millions of songbirds in the United States every year.  Wild house cats are one of Minnesota's most common predators.
http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/young_naturalists/wildcats/index.html">ht tp://www.dnr.state.mn.us/young_naturalists/wildcats/index.html

Development is a bigger concern but reduction of food supply hurts the wildlife trying to make it in the burbs.

http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/animals/blog s/outdoor-cats-are-prolif ic-killers-study-finds

Mostly the cats don't eat the animals they catch if they're well fed. I live in a retirement community where everyone has food out for the racoons and cats. I've got 4 ferals around my place that'll leave a bird's headless body to be served up to lesser carnivores in the area. Maybe it's bait....Cats make life easier for small animals, so eco-wreckers ain't the whole truth.

So your arguement is that cats (and remember, we're talking about potentially many cats in an area, being sustained by humans above what would naturally be allowed) killing birds for fun (often in greater numbers than they would for sustenance) has no significant effect on the ecosystem because other animals can eat what they leave? ...I don't think you quite understand how an ecosystem works.

I don't understand eco-systems... your solution is to not have cats or, at least. to keep them inside. That's natural? If everyone kept their kitty inside, who would stop the feral ones? The cat  is out of the bag, there is no putting them back in. Every damn time some human tries to make nature into his own vision, the ecology gets more lopsided, And every time a human tries to correct it, it gets even worse. Simply put, We should let nature take its course. Since we have decimated most of the higher predators around us, cats and dogs are the only thing keeping us humans from being awash in vermin. You want to upset that, too. ...Because somebody's got ...


My solution is to keep cats inside and work on trapping/neutering or outright eliminating (where they threaten endangered species) feral cats wherever possible.  The odd feral cat isn't going to do much harm but dozens of tame and feral cats in an area can cause a big problem.  There's nothing any more unnatural about keeping a cat inside than keeping a cat as a pet period.  They do fine and they live years longer on average than indoor/outdoor cats.  Nothing about humans maintaining unchecked numbers of cats in ecosystems that developed without them is "letting nature take it's course".  There are other ways to keep us from being "awash in vermin" like keeping your waste contained and allowing natural predators to keep rodent numbers down.

Speaking as a cat owner and lover, cats can easily become "vermin" if not controlled and they are common carriers of rabies and various parasites.

The other complication you may not know about is that allowing large populations of cats often skews ecosystems in favor of "vermin".  Rats and mice have lived alongside cats for centuries whereever humans have carried the three species, but in many areas other small prey animals are both not used to cats and not used to competing with mice and rats.  They become easier prey for the cats while mice and rats move into their niches, eating the same food but not necessarily doing the same things for the environment that the native animals would.  Also you get the fun side effect of having fewer cool things like voles and more...rats!  Yay!

Also, what do you mean by "higher predators"?  If you mean large predators like wolves, etc.  those don't have anything to do with the species of birds and rodents that cats endanger so their absence doesn't really affect this issue.
 
2013-06-13 07:05:16 PM
Hi!  I noticed there was a thread about me.  I'm that wolf.  I was just trying to return his dropped wallet.

(There wasn't any money in the wallet, and I DEFINITELY didn't use any money that might have been in the wallet to buy meat.  It was delicious... or it would have been if I had actually done it.)
 
2013-06-13 08:31:59 PM
long time ago 'round here during a bad winter this guy was riding a horse with his two daughters on behind them. the wolves started chasing them. one daughter fell off so the dad and one daughter got away on the horse 'cause nom nom nom nom teenage girl. nom nom nom.
 
2013-06-13 10:45:21 PM

FTDA: Plant Rights Activist: This is why I never leave the house without a handful of mini-liquor bottles and duct tape.

You're going to date rape a wild animal?


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2013-06-14 01:15:07 AM

GalFriday: My dog killed a wild hippo that was in our yard last week


Mom?
 
2013-06-14 08:46:33 AM
that is one determined wolf
 
2013-06-14 09:33:16 AM

Plant Rights Activist: FTDA: Plant Rights Activist: This is why I never leave the house without a handful of mini-liquor bottles and duct tape.

You're going to date rape a wild animal?

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Wow...I had thought about watching that movie.  Now I'm glad I didn't
 
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