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(NewsBusters)   Liberal writer: Having mens and womens restrooms is just as bad the the Jim Crow segregated restrooms. Because keeping pervy men from watching women peeing is just a bad a racism   (newsbusters.org ) divider line
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2013-06-12 07:44:54 PM  
Potato Busters link greenlit with 0 comments and 4 clicks on TFA, as I post this.

Nice job guys
 
2013-06-12 07:50:05 PM  
My city already has this covered. For new public buildings, at least.

Multnomah County requiring unisex bathrooms

assets.nydailynews.com

Single stall, locking door. Problem solved.
 
2013-06-12 07:55:33 PM  
Sorry about your unwanted urge to watch women pee, submitter.
 
2013-06-12 08:03:03 PM  
I'm ok with not having to deal with women in the bathroom. From what I hear from the people who clean them women are gross.
 
2013-06-12 08:04:39 PM  
if you outlaw watching women pee, only outlaws will watch women pee.
 
2013-06-12 08:05:16 PM  

EvilEgg: I'm ok with not having to deal with women in the bathroom. From what I hear from the people who clean them women are gross.


Men piss on the floor.  Women piss in your heart.
 
2013-06-12 08:07:44 PM  
The only reason restrooms need to be segregated is to keep the chicks from peeing all over the seats.

I've been in women's restroom; they are disgusting. Hell no, I don't want women in the men's room, when I sit down to play angry birds I don't want to have to spend 30 minutes wiping the seat and flushing the ass gaskets.

Stupid women and their hovering, I hope cis-women don't pass that on to trans-women.
 
2013-06-12 08:08:48 PM  
So, I'm guessing elevated glass toilets with an observation window underneath are asking for too much?
 
2013-06-12 08:12:08 PM  
Pedophile Post provides more potatoes of wisdom.
 
2013-06-12 08:12:54 PM  

thamike: Men piss on the floor. Women piss in your heart.


I didn't know you worked for Hallmark.
 
2013-06-12 08:16:52 PM  

NewportBarGuy: thamike: Men piss on the floor. Women piss in your heart.

I didn't know you worked for Hallmark.


 I'm their Mothers Day guy.
 
2013-06-12 08:17:25 PM  

EvilEgg: I'm ok with not having to deal with women in the bathroom. From what I hear from the people who clean them women are gross.


True, but as far as I'm aware, women don't rip the doors off of stalls after taking a sh*t.
 
2013-06-12 08:18:29 PM  

thamike: NewportBarGuy: thamike: Men piss on the floor. Women piss in your heart.

I didn't know you worked for Hallmark.

 I'm their Mothers Day guy.


Men piss on the floor.
Women piss into your heart.
Happy Mother's Day.
 
2013-06-12 08:23:40 PM  

Shostie: EvilEgg: I'm ok with not having to deal with women in the bathroom. From what I hear from the people who clean them women are gross.

True, but as far as I'm aware, women don't rip the doors off of stalls after taking a sh*t.


Ahem...

i40.tinypic.com

 
2013-06-12 08:24:39 PM  
I don't see the big deal. Women sit down in a cubicle anyway. It's not like they're standing at urinals.
 
2013-06-12 08:24:52 PM  
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/3087/do-98-of-women-hover-ov e r-public-toilet-seats

i.imgur.com

Women Can Stop Hovering

When some women hover, all women pay a price.
 
2013-06-12 08:27:16 PM  

EvilEgg: I'm ok with not having to deal with women in the bathroom. From what I hear from the people who clean them women are gross.


As a former part time janitor- I hated the women's bathroom.

As far as piss all over the place- men and women were about the same... Very little.

But as far as trash is conserened, women left all sorts of feminine products/ tissues everywere...

( did not clean bars restrooms..)
 
2013-06-12 08:31:12 PM  

RoyBatty:

I've been in women's restroom;


Have you seen things us people wouldn't believe ? Sanitary napkins on fire thrown over the shoulder into the next stall. Did you hear P-streams splatter in the dark near the hovering seat ? All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to flush.
 
2013-06-12 08:41:35 PM  
The author sounds like he really likes rape.
 
2013-06-12 08:42:16 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-12 08:42:16 PM  
Problem 1) It's Newsbusters. So, level of trust slightly less than Fox News, Daily Mail, and Breitbart
Problem 2) That's not at all what the article is about, it's about Transgendered individuals having to use separate bathrooms than either men or women.
 
2013-06-12 08:42:32 PM  
Towers of tampons!  Towers of tampons!
 
2013-06-12 08:45:36 PM  

One Bad Apple: RoyBatty:

I've been in women's restroom;


Have you seen things us people wouldn't believe ? Sanitary napkins on fire thrown over the shoulder into the next stall. Did you hear P-streams splatter in the dark near the hovering seat ? All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to flush.


i.imgur.com i.imgur.com

Four days a month Priss needs her own bathroom. She'll do that weird gymnastics shiat, leaves blood everywhere. And Zhora? After a Taco Bell run, she'll be first in the bathroom, just to pee on the seats to annoy the rest of us. I used to have to restrain Leon from coldcocking her.
 
2013-06-12 08:49:10 PM  
Shouldn't women have some sort of urinal? Something like a saddle they straddle to deal with the squatting issue. I understand they don't actually poop.
 
2013-06-12 08:51:42 PM  

djkutch: Shouldn't women have some sort of urinal? Something like a saddle they straddle to deal with the squatting issue. I understand they don't actually poop.


My family made billions in the female urinal market.

i42.tinypic.com
 
2013-06-12 08:53:44 PM  

NewportBarGuy: djkutch: Shouldn't women have some sort of urinal? Something like a saddle they straddle to deal with the squatting issue. I understand they don't actually poop.

My family made billions in the female urinal market.

[i42.tinypic.com image 640x480]


Problem solved thanks to NBG. What's next?
 
2013-06-12 08:54:18 PM  
No, just no. Women's restrooms are sanitary abominations, and seeing just how truly deplorable they are makes you kind of understand why ancient religions considered women inherently unclean.
 
2013-06-12 09:02:22 PM  
I don't want to hear a woman pooping. I know they go, but like to pretend they don't.
 
2013-06-12 09:10:53 PM  

jake_lex: Potato Busters link greenlit with 0 comments and 4 clicks on TFA, as I post this.

Nice job guys


Just a bad a the the.
 
2013-06-12 09:14:09 PM  
"Let's get this straight (no pun intended). The person in question is not a girl. He is a boy. Despite Winkler's insistence on using "she" and "her" to refer to Nicole Maines, the fact is that "Nicole" is a boy who "identifies as" - read, pretends to be - a girl. No matter how you slice it, the truth remains that he is a boy."

"ME RETARD CAVEMAN
WHY HOMOS KEEP SUCKING MY COCK?"
 
2013-06-12 09:16:39 PM  

RoyBatty: http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/3087/do-98-of-women-hover-ov e r-public-toilet-seats

[i.imgur.com image 494x826]

Women Can Stop Hovering

When some women hover, all women pay a price.


I have some advice for the ladies. Just put one cheek on the seat. It halves the exposure to the seat compared to traditional sitting and allows for much more stability and rest compared to hovering.
 
2013-06-12 09:20:24 PM  
threadjack: so, nobody can grammar check two sentences these days. Quo vadis.

/if nobody knows how to spell, how can the code compile?
//Magnets. How do they work?
 
2013-06-12 09:22:49 PM  
I have used a unisex bathroom.  Two women walked in while I was urinating.  That is the entire story.  Nobody gave a damn.
 
2013-06-12 09:24:14 PM  
As usual, the ones pointing out the racism/sexism/whateverism are the real racists/sexists/whateverists.

1) Yes, separate bathrooms for men and women are technically sexist.
2) On the other hand, it's probably a pretty good idea to keep random guys away from random girls while their genitals are exposed, so it's hard to get too outraged about it (as opposed to the transgender issue, which is a big deal)
3) That said, long-standing tradition is not a reason in itself to accept and perpetuate discriminatory practices.
 
2013-06-12 09:25:49 PM  
Bathrooms I don't see a big deal about, since in a uni-sex bathroom you wouldn't usually have urinals, and nobody should be trying to peek into your stall.

The whole thing with "my transgender born male should be able to shower with the 7th grade girls"... not so on board with.
 
2013-06-12 09:26:58 PM  

patcarew: /if nobody knows how to spell, how can the code compile?


God bless Intellisense.
 
2013-06-12 09:27:15 PM  

gameshowhost: "Let's get this straight (no pun intended). The person in question is not a girl. He is a boy. Despite Winkler's insistence on using "she" and "her" to refer to Nicole Maines, the fact is that "Nicole" is a boy who "identifies as" - read, pretends to be - a girl. No matter how you slice it, the truth remains that he is a boy."

"ME RETARD CAVEMAN
WHY HOMOS KEEP SUCKING MY COCK?"


You can mock him all you want, but he's right. Just because someone has a mental disorder and feels the need to mutilate themselves doesn't actually change them to another gender. It just makes them a person with mutilated genitalia.
 
2013-06-12 09:27:56 PM  
Subby having trouble peeing in either bathroom due to panties being in a bunch.
 
2013-06-12 09:32:24 PM  
Hey now subby, it isn't just men who are pee-pee pervs.  I had a girl that liked to watch me drain the main vein.  No clue why, didn't bother me though.  Now, if she would have wanted me to pee on her or in her mouth, as a friends gf was like to want, I might have drawn the line.  Hell, who am I kidding.  I would have pee'd on her then (maybe) broke up with her.
 
2013-06-12 09:36:38 PM  
So how would this affect stall graffiti?
 
2013-06-12 09:38:05 PM  
As a man who lives in a house full of females let me assure all of my fellow males, you don't want to see what they do in there. I've only seen some of the after effects. But let me assure .It's scary.
 
2013-06-12 09:39:16 PM  
The last good thing about being a man is not having to wait in line (or at least not very long) for a public restroom. I they're all unisex, we'll have to wait in line with four times as many women even if the patronage of the location is about equal.
 
2013-06-12 09:40:24 PM  
I had a teabagger coworker try to bring this up in the whole gay marriage debate here in Minnesota. "HURRR, IF YOU LET GAYS MARRY, THEN WHAT HAPPENS TO BATHROOMS, WHY DO YOU SUPPORT SEPERATE BATHROOMS BASED ON GENDER?"

I was so dumbfounded at the astounding leap of logic and the assumption that for some reason I supported something I didn't even know was an issue that I literally just walked away without saying anything.
 
2013-06-12 09:45:25 PM  
I have shy bladder so I am all for requiring every bathroom to be a single individual room with one toilet.  Plus, that way you can really relax when you need some reading time.
 
2013-06-12 09:52:15 PM  
My company's office in Milan has unisex bathroom and many of the places around there had the same.  The sink/mirror area was open.  Each toilet was in a separate small closet like room with a full door.  You go in, do your business, nobody gives a damn.
 
2013-06-12 09:53:14 PM  

EvilEgg: I'm ok with not having to deal with women in the bathroom. From what I hear from the people who clean them women are gross.


In my years working in restaurants in my teens and early 20's, the women's room was ALWAYS the dirtier one. The only thing the guys had(usually) that the women didn't one-up them on is piss on the seat. Of course, there are women who hover above the seat because they're freaked out about germs, who then manage to pis all over the seat, thereby creating a nice dirty surface for the next woman in line...
 
2013-06-12 09:58:51 PM  

Valeriyance: Hey now subby, it isn't just men who are pee-pee pervs.


THIS, miles and miles and tons and tons of THIS.

I'm really getting tired of guys always being the default bad guys in everything.

Fark you subby. Chicks are deviants, perverts, criminals, abusers, molesters, even serial killers nowadays, feminism has really taken off.
 
2013-06-12 09:58:53 PM  

Valeriyance: Hey now subby, it isn't just men who are pee-pee pervs.  I had a girl that liked to watch me drain the main vein.  No clue why, didn't bother me though.


A friend of mine used to have a gf who liked to go to the bathroom with him. She'd sit down and he'd stand and pee between her legs. Found out later she was a lesbian. Not that those two things are necessarily related.
 
2013-06-12 09:59:03 PM  
Once again, NewsDerpers ride out to gallantly do battle with their evil foe:

www.fotoblography.com
 
2013-06-12 10:02:59 PM  
I have been to concerts. Women use the men's room because the line is shorter. What's the problem?
 
2013-06-12 10:03:59 PM  
Because keeping pervy men from watching women men peeing is just a bad a racism

FIFY sublet
 
2013-06-12 10:05:23 PM  
Since few people seem to have read the article and fewer still probable clicked the link to the original article let me just post this


the school required her to use a staff bathroom after a grandparent of a male student complained that Maines shouldn't be allowed in the little girls' room.

I am okay with having her(yes I am going to call her, her) using a staff bathroom I think that was the school's only option.
But two questions come up it was only the grandparents of a student who had a problem, and grandparents of a male student, so the parents of the other children didn't have a problem.
Second I would think that the people who would be most likely to have a problem with this type of issue would also have a very big problem with a transgender(read queer) using the same bathroom as boys and watching them and wanting to have sex with them
 
2013-06-12 10:05:46 PM  

revrendjim: I have been to concerts. Women use the men's room because the line is shorter. What's the problem?


Wouldn't want anybody to see their grand teste waterer outside of a Hummer or a gun range.
 
2013-06-12 10:06:05 PM  

RevRaven: gameshowhost: "Let's get this straight (no pun intended). The person in question is not a girl. He is a boy. Despite Winkler's insistence on using "she" and "her" to refer to Nicole Maines, the fact is that "Nicole" is a boy who "identifies as" - read, pretends to be - a girl. No matter how you slice it, the truth remains that he is a boy."

"ME RETARD CAVEMAN
WHY HOMOS KEEP SUCKING MY COCK?"

You can mock him all you want, but he's right. Just because someone has a mental disorder and feels the need to mutilate themselves doesn't actually change them to another gender. It just makes them a person with mutilated genitalia.


*facedesk*
 
2013-06-12 10:11:52 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-12 10:12:22 PM  

jake_lex: Potato Busters link greenlit with 0 comments and 4 clicks on TFA, as I post this.

Nice job guys


I still won't click the article.
 
2013-06-12 10:14:25 PM  
The Poop Hammock is awesome. And sounds like it could potentially make for a good band name.
 
2013-06-12 10:14:52 PM  
Straw Man: Bad Thing Nobody Really Likes
 
2013-06-12 10:16:00 PM  
historyoftheancientworld.com

People just don't know how good they really have it now.
 
2013-06-12 10:23:11 PM  
Toilet segregation started in Paris in 1739.

France is one of those socialist, communist, European failed states with things like universal healthcare and a functional social safety net.

Therefore toilet segregation is socialism.
 
2013-06-12 10:23:29 PM  
Company I used to work for sent a memo out that every one had to use the bathroom corresponding to the gender listed on their original job application. Strangely, we had more female to male transgender employees than male to female.
 
2013-06-12 10:23:40 PM  

tfresh: [historyoftheancientworld.com image 480x360]

People just don't know how good they really have it now.


Running water, a comfortable seat, gossip and social climbing, and slaves to hand you sponges on a stick when you're done.

Compare to Versailles, when ladies would leave the dining room and crap in the hallway outside.
 
2013-06-12 10:24:02 PM  
The topic of worst jobs came up one day and we had a guy who'd mowed lawns in a Texas summer, a guy who used to be the pit monkey at a lube shop, and I mentioned I used to clean bathrooms at Six Flags. Kinda wrapped up the conversation on that one, I won.
 
2013-06-12 10:25:12 PM  

gameshowhost: RevRaven: gameshowhost: "Let's get this straight (no pun intended). The person in question is not a girl. He is a boy. Despite Winkler's insistence on using "she" and "her" to refer to Nicole Maines, the fact is that "Nicole" is a boy who "identifies as" - read, pretends to be - a girl. No matter how you slice it, the truth remains that he is a boy."

"ME RETARD CAVEMAN
WHY HOMOS KEEP SUCKING MY COCK?"

You can mock him all you want, but he's right. Just because someone has a mental disorder and feels the need to mutilate themselves doesn't actually change them to another gender. It just makes them a person with mutilated genitalia.

*facedesk*


We don't have a true sex change yet.

Clownfish have sex change. We have plastic surgery, hormone treatments, and pronouns. No need to hold it against people, but it's beyond modern medicine just like regeneration and cloning from a cutting, like plants.
 
2013-06-12 10:25:20 PM  
I'm too damned lazy to hover.  I don't really care who's been in my ass-space.
 
2013-06-12 10:26:24 PM  

spongeboob: Since few people seem to have read the article and fewer still probable clicked the link to the original article let me just post this


the school required her to use a staff bathroom after a grandparent of a male student complained that Maines shouldn't be allowed in the little girls' room.

I am okay with having her(yes I am going to call her, her) using a staff bathroom I think that was the school's only option.
But two questions come up it was only the grandparents of a student who had a problem, and grandparents of a male student, so the parents of the other children didn't have a problem.
Second I would think that the people who would be most likely to have a problem with this type of issue would also have a very big problem with a transgender(read queer) using the same bathroom as boys and watching them and wanting to have sex with them


I think if a 15 year old of any sex is brave enough to tell everyone that person really feels like a member of a different sex, and then proceeds to dress like that and take on behaviors consistent with the identified sex and that they are doing all of this just to get a peek at naughty bits in a restroom, well, hell, I have to applaud their ingenuity and perseverance and think they should be rewarded with that sort of access and by my addressing them as they prefer.

Otherwise, I would suspect they are telling the truth, especially if confirmed by parents, grandparents, and shrinks.
 
2013-06-12 10:29:21 PM  

RevRaven: gameshowhost: "Let's get this straight (no pun intended). The person in question is not a girl. He is a boy. Despite Winkler's insistence on using "she" and "her" to refer to Nicole Maines, the fact is that "Nicole" is a boy who "identifies as" - read, pretends to be - a girl. No matter how you slice it, the truth remains that he is a boy."

"ME RETARD CAVEMAN
WHY HOMOS KEEP SUCKING MY COCK?"

You can mock him all you want, but he's right. Just because someone has a mental disorder and feels the need to mutilate themselves doesn't actually change them to another gender. It just makes them a person with mutilated genitalia.


Can you guess the exact moment I determined you were a bigot and therefore unintelligent? I'm guessing not.

/Where'd you get you psychology degree from, sunshine?

dookdookdook: Toilet segregation started in Paris in 1739.

France is one of those socialist, communist, European failed states with things like universal healthcare and a functional social safety net.

Therefore toilet segregation is socialism.


Interestingly, when I was in Paris in 1988, there was a restaurant I ate at that had a hallway with a men's room and a ladies' room... and a urinal between 'em.
 
2013-06-12 10:34:14 PM  
A lot of clubs have unisex bathrooms with locking doors.  Mostly, so you can go in there with girls and do lines.
 
2013-06-12 10:34:31 PM  

wingnut396: My company's office in Milan has unisex bathroom and many of the places around there had the same.  The sink/mirror area was open.  Each toilet was in a separate small closet like room with a full door.  You go in, do your business, nobody gives a damn.


See, this I would be okay with.

In my state (Washington) most toilets are separated by veneered plywood. However, there are about half inch wide seams running up and down both sides of the door. So if you look at the stalls as you walk past you'll see everyone sitting in them as they pee.

 This is not something I would like to share with guys who are walking through the bathroom. Call me a prude, or call me delusional. Fine, whatever. But no. Not happening. I don't care how much the transgendered folks biatch. Yes, I realize that there might be a girl out there who's gay and sneaking peeks, but statistically speaking, I'll worry about the guys before I worry about her.
 
2013-06-12 10:36:51 PM  

RoyBatty: The only reason restrooms need to be segregated is to keep the chicks from peeing all over the seats.

I've been in women's restroom; they are disgusting. Hell no, I don't want women in the men's room, when I sit down to play angry birds I don't want to have to spend 30 minutes wiping the seat and flushing the ass gaskets.

Stupid women and their hovering, I hope cis-women don't pass that on to trans-women.


At work, I use the women's room two floors down because very few women work on that floor. I rarely see pee on the seat. The restroom on my floor is absolutely disgusting.

/doesn't hover
//if you sprinkle when you tinkle, be a sweetie and clean the seatie
 
2013-06-12 10:37:26 PM  
i.huffpost.com
 
2013-06-12 10:38:18 PM  
What I want to know is why I can't carry my bazooka into the ladies room.

MY RIGHTS.

FAPFAPFAPFAPFAP
 
2013-06-12 10:39:21 PM  

EvilEgg: I'm ok with not having to deal with women in the bathroom. From what I hear from the people who clean them women are gross.


My job in the summer between graduating high school and going to college was in a gas station/convenience store.  Included in my duties was cleaning the bathroom.  The men's room tended to have a lot of paper towels on the floor.  On a rare occasion someone might have puked with bad aim.  The women's bathroom, however, was farking gross every damn time.  Bloody tampons thrown against the wall and on the floor was the usual expectation.  This was NOT in a bad neighborhood.
 
2013-06-12 10:40:43 PM  
As a woman I would prefer not to share a bathroom with men.  I've had to go into the men's room before at a job (my boss made me change the air purifiers when they ran out) and all I can say is no - just no.  The smell was ungodly bad and there never seemed to be soap in there.  I know women can be dirty and messy and I don't like it either, but at least 99% of women will wash their hands after using the bathroom (at least from what I've seen) which for men seems to be a lot lower.  I've noticed this at a job where my desk was near the bathroom and you could hear the sink through the walls.  Also I've noticed this with guys who come to my house.  But I know I'm on fark and people will tell me how hand washing isn't necessary.  Women who pee on seats are gross, but I will avoid those toilets with pee on the seats and I always use seat covers/toilet paper on the seat.  I don't need to add no hand washing and boogars on the wall to the list of gross things in the bathroom.  I'll stick with stinky tampon smell and probably peed on seats and not quadruple the problem.
 
2013-06-12 10:43:31 PM  

OgreMagi: EvilEgg: I'm ok with not having to deal with women in the bathroom. From what I hear from the people who clean them women are gross.

My job in the summer between graduating high school and going to college was in a gas station/convenience store.  Included in my duties was cleaning the bathroom.  The men's room tended to have a lot of paper towels on the floor.  On a rare occasion someone might have puked with bad aim.  The women's bathroom, however, was farking gross every damn time.  Bloody tampons thrown against the wall and on the floor was the usual expectation.  This was NOT in a bad neighborhood.


I was a bouncer back in the day in a college bar.  The women's bathroom was always the worst.  Tampons.  Tampons everywhere!  Why?
 
2013-06-12 10:43:38 PM  

dletter: Bathrooms I don't see a big deal about, since in a uni-sex bathroom you wouldn't usually have urinals, and nobody should be trying to peek into your stall.

The whole thing with "my transgender born male should be able to shower with the 7th grade girls"... not so on board with.


I think you've got the right idea.  I can't really imagine anything worse for someone with body issues than than a bunch of girls laughing at their transgendered dick, or a bunch of guys trying to tap a sweet piece of their transgendered ass in the locker room.
 
2013-06-12 10:46:16 PM  
I don't care about what NewsBusters has to say about liberals.  Submit these as more of those god-awful "sponsored links" if you have to.
 
2013-06-12 10:49:32 PM  

PillsHere: As a woman I would prefer not to share a bathroom with men.  I've had to go into the men's room before at a job (my boss made me change the air purifiers when they ran out) and all I can say is no - just no.  The smell was ungodly bad and there never seemed to be soap in there.  I know women can be dirty and messy and I don't like it either, but at least 99% of women will wash their hands after using the bathroom (at least from what I've seen) which for men seems to be a lot lower.  I've noticed this at a job where my desk was near the bathroom and you could hear the sink through the walls.  Also I've noticed this with guys who come to my house.  But I know I'm on fark and people will tell me how hand washing isn't necessary.  Women who pee on seats are gross, but I will avoid those toilets with pee on the seats and I always use seat covers/toilet paper on the seat.  I don't need to add no hand washing and boogars on the wall to the list of gross things in the bathroom.  I'll stick with stinky tampon smell and probably peed on seats and not quadruple the problem.


Know how I know you've never had a job as a janitor?
 
2013-06-12 10:52:01 PM  
The only thing more erotic than a woman going to the bathroom ...

sharetv.org

is a cake shaped like a woman going to the bathroom
 
2013-06-12 10:53:21 PM  

doglover: PillsHere: As a woman I would prefer not to share a bathroom with men.  I've had to go into the men's room before at a job (my boss made me change the air purifiers when they ran out) and all I can say is no - just no.  The smell was ungodly bad and there never seemed to be soap in there.  I know women can be dirty and messy and I don't like it either, but at least 99% of women will wash their hands after using the bathroom (at least from what I've seen) which for men seems to be a lot lower.  I've noticed this at a job where my desk was near the bathroom and you could hear the sink through the walls.  Also I've noticed this with guys who come to my house.  But I know I'm on fark and people will tell me how hand washing isn't necessary.  Women who pee on seats are gross, but I will avoid those toilets with pee on the seats and I always use seat covers/toilet paper on the seat.  I don't need to add no hand washing and boogars on the wall to the list of gross things in the bathroom.  I'll stick with stinky tampon smell and probably peed on seats and not quadruple the problem.

Know how I know you've never had a job as a janitor?


Both genders are gross, that's why I don't want to multiple the grossness.
 
2013-06-12 10:53:39 PM  
Uh, no... Do you honestly think that segregation would be viewed with the justified disdain that it currently holds if it had been... Actually equal?
 
2013-06-12 10:54:06 PM  

Rapmaster2000: OgreMagi: EvilEgg: I'm ok with not having to deal with women in the bathroom. From what I hear from the people who clean them women are gross.

My job in the summer between graduating high school and going to college was in a gas station/convenience store.  Included in my duties was cleaning the bathroom.  The men's room tended to have a lot of paper towels on the floor.  On a rare occasion someone might have puked with bad aim.  The women's bathroom, however, was farking gross every damn time.  Bloody tampons thrown against the wall and on the floor was the usual expectation.  This was NOT in a bad neighborhood.

I was a bouncer back in the day in a college bar.  The women's bathroom was always the worst.  Tampons.  Tampons everywhere!  Why?


Because they know the person cleaning up after them is most likely a man.  It's a biatch revenge thing.
 
2013-06-12 10:54:53 PM  

Lorelle: RoyBatty: The only reason restrooms need to be segregated is to keep the chicks from peeing all over the seats.

I've been in women's restroom; they are disgusting. Hell no, I don't want women in the men's room, when I sit down to play angry birds I don't want to have to spend 30 minutes wiping the seat and flushing the ass gaskets.

Stupid women and their hovering, I hope cis-women don't pass that on to trans-women.

At work, I use the women's room two floors down because very few women work on that floor. I rarely see pee on the seat. The restroom on my floor is absolutely disgusting.

/doesn't hover
//if you sprinkle when you tinkle, be a sweetie and clean the seatie


"If you've got a loose twat, put it closer to the prat."
 
2013-06-12 10:57:36 PM  

RevMercutio: RevRaven: gameshowhost: "Let's get this straight (no pun intended). The person in question is not a girl. He is a boy. Despite Winkler's insistence on using "she" and "her" to refer to Nicole Maines, the fact is that "Nicole" is a boy who "identifies as" - read, pretends to be - a girl. No matter how you slice it, the truth remains that he is a boy."

"ME RETARD CAVEMAN
WHY HOMOS KEEP SUCKING MY COCK?"

You can mock him all you want, but he's right. Just because someone has a mental disorder and feels the need to mutilate themselves doesn't actually change them to another gender. It just makes them a person with mutilated genitalia.

Can you guess the exact moment I determined you were a bigot and therefore unintelligent? I'm guessing not.

/Where'd you get you psychology degree from, sunshine?


My guess is somewhere that still uses a beta-edition of the DSM...

/so, ya know, Alabama, Arkansas, Florida...maybe Arizona? Kansas?
 
2013-06-12 11:12:18 PM  
This thread was calling my name.
 
2013-06-12 11:18:49 PM  

PillsHere: The smell was ungodly bad and there never seemed to be soap in there.  I know women can be dirty and messy and I don't like it either, but at least 99% of women will wash their hands after using the bathroom (at least from what I've seen) which for men seems to be a lot lower.


Then why does the men's room run out of soap faster?  Hmm?

To be fair, old piss does smell bad.  Ammonia stinks.

But "stinky tampon smell?"  Much, much worse.  In every conceivable way.  Including just the knowledge that it exists.
 
2013-06-12 11:22:48 PM  
Submitter sounds like a rapist.
 
2013-06-12 11:25:33 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Submitter sounds like a rapist.


Boehner is a farker? The hell you say!
 
2013-06-12 11:34:50 PM  

fusillade762: My city already has this covered. For new public buildings, at least.

Multnomah County requiring unisex bathrooms

[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x551]

Single stall, locking door. Problem solved.


You know, it's about time, but I'm annoyed with the fact that this is NOT being done for the obvious reasons. IE: people with children, people with nervous bathroom habits, germophobes, handicapped individuals who find more ease of movement in an actual bathroom and not a stall, and so forth. There are a million good reasons for having a single-unit, unisex bathroom on various floors in buildings, but the only reason it's being talked about is because of a very small segment of the population cannot adapt to a situation that, for most people, can have a solution other than "more bathrooms." I've seen people who will go into the bathroom of the other sex and lock the door (if a single bathroom that can be locked) because their bathroom is full.

I remember when a group on my college campus tried to get these bathrooms to be mandatory in all buildings, REGARDLESS of building age, plumbing, and so forth (noting that one of the buildings where I routinely went to class had sex-specific bathrooms on ALTERNATING FLOORS, it was so old; at least two floors did have storage rooms converted into single-toilet handicapped bathrooms). Because, literally, less than 1% of the able-bodied people on campus may have been put out of their way (as some buildings already had non-gender, single occupacy, lockable bathrooms).

Long story short: these bathrooms should have been mandatory for years, but only now does anyone in government give a shiat because they're afraid of the political repercussions.
 
2013-06-12 11:42:18 PM  

puffy999: fusillade762: My city already has this covered. For new public buildings, at least.

Multnomah County requiring unisex bathrooms

[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x551]

Single stall, locking door. Problem solved.

You know, it's about time, but I'm annoyed with the fact that this is NOT being done for the obvious reasons. IE: people with children, people with nervous bathroom habits, germophobes, handicapped individuals who find more ease of movement in an actual bathroom and not a stall, and so forth. There are a million good reasons for having a single-unit, unisex bathroom on various floors in buildings, but the only reason it's being talked about is because of a very small segment of the population cannot adapt to a situation that, for most people, can have a solution other than "more bathrooms." I've seen people who will go into the bathroom of the other sex and lock the door (if a single bathroom that can be locked) because their bathroom is full.

I remember when a group on my college campus tried to get these bathrooms to be mandatory in all buildings, REGARDLESS of building age, plumbing, and so forth (noting that one of the buildings where I routinely went to class had sex-specific bathrooms on ALTERNATING FLOORS, it was so old; at least two floors did have storage rooms converted into single-toilet handicapped bathrooms). Because, literally, less than 1% of the able-bodied people on campus may have been put out of their way (as some buildings already had non-gender, single occupacy, lockable bathrooms).

Long story short: these bathrooms should have been mandatory for years, but only now does anyone in government give a shiat because they're afraid of the political repercussions.


As someone who has trouble peeing at urinals if there are any people in the room, I support this message.
 
2013-06-12 11:42:51 PM  
Having read that article before I saw this headline- That's some fine trolling.


One Bad Apple
Have you seen things us people wouldn't believe ? Sanitary napkins on fire thrown over the shoulder into the next stall. Did you hear P-streams splatter in the dark near the hovering seat ? All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to flush.

I love you.


RevRaven
You can mock him all you want, but he's right. Just because someone has a mental disorder and feels the need to mutilate themselves doesn't actually change them to another gender. It just makes them a person with mutilated genitalia.

Trolling or tag with "ought to throw self off bridge"?


dookdookdook
Toilet segregation started in Paris in 1739.

The idea that it took tens of thousands of years before humanity figured out how to take a dump throws a speedbump under my belief in the common ingenuity of laypeople.
 
2013-06-12 11:51:47 PM  

MadSkillz: puffy999: fusillade762: My city already has this covered. For new public buildings, at least.

Multnomah County requiring unisex bathrooms

[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x551]

Single stall, locking door. Problem solved.

You know, it's about time, but I'm annoyed with the fact that this is NOT being done for the obvious reasons. IE: people with children, people with nervous bathroom habits, germophobes, handicapped individuals who find more ease of movement in an actual bathroom and not a stall, and so forth. There are a million good reasons for having a single-unit, unisex bathroom on various floors in buildings, but the only reason it's being talked about is because of a very small segment of the population cannot adapt to a situation that, for most people, can have a solution other than "more bathrooms." I've seen people who will go into the bathroom of the other sex and lock the door (if a single bathroom that can be locked) because their bathroom is full.

I remember when a group on my college campus tried to get these bathrooms to be mandatory in all buildings, REGARDLESS of building age, plumbing, and so forth (noting that one of the buildings where I routinely went to class had sex-specific bathrooms on ALTERNATING FLOORS, it was so old; at least two floors did have storage rooms converted into single-toilet handicapped bathrooms). Because, literally, less than 1% of the able-bodied people on campus may have been put out of their way (as some buildings already had non-gender, single occupacy, lockable bathrooms).

Long story short: these bathrooms should have been mandatory for years, but only now does anyone in government give a shiat because they're afraid of the political repercussions.

As someone who has trouble peeing at urinals if there are any people in the room, I support this message.


AS someone who gets creeped out by the guy next to me just staring ahead and not peeing when using the urinal I can also get behind this.
 
2013-06-12 11:54:11 PM  

spongeboob: MadSkillz: puffy999: fusillade762: My city already has this covered. For new public buildings, at least.

Multnomah County requiring unisex bathrooms

[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x551]

Single stall, locking door. Problem solved.

You know, it's about time, but I'm annoyed with the fact that this is NOT being done for the obvious reasons. IE: people with children, people with nervous bathroom habits, germophobes, handicapped individuals who find more ease of movement in an actual bathroom and not a stall, and so forth. There are a million good reasons for having a single-unit, unisex bathroom on various floors in buildings, but the only reason it's being talked about is because of a very small segment of the population cannot adapt to a situation that, for most people, can have a solution other than "more bathrooms." I've seen people who will go into the bathroom of the other sex and lock the door (if a single bathroom that can be locked) because their bathroom is full.

I remember when a group on my college campus tried to get these bathrooms to be mandatory in all buildings, REGARDLESS of building age, plumbing, and so forth (noting that one of the buildings where I routinely went to class had sex-specific bathrooms on ALTERNATING FLOORS, it was so old; at least two floors did have storage rooms converted into single-toilet handicapped bathrooms). Because, literally, less than 1% of the able-bodied people on campus may have been put out of their way (as some buildings already had non-gender, single occupacy, lockable bathrooms).

Long story short: these bathrooms should have been mandatory for years, but only now does anyone in government give a shiat because they're afraid of the political repercussions.

As someone who has trouble peeing at urinals if there are any people in the room, I support this message.

AS someone who gets creeped out by the guy next to me just staring ahead and not peeing when using the urinal I can also get behind this.


We've met?
 
2013-06-12 11:56:05 PM  
I have decided in my second marriage (and my girl is fine with this) that bathroom activities are to be done in private. No conversations with the partner as they sit on the toilet. No standing there whizzing while she's in the room watching. No watching her do her business or deal with her menstrual issues. We go in the bathroom and close the door. We do not share the room when one of us has to use it for evacuation.

I know when you're in a relationship it's tempting to just do these things in front of each other, but I am positive that once you do, it kills the romance a little (unless you're a fetishist). It takes away some of the dignity you once had. It lets your partner see you in the most unflattering position you can possibly be in, and experience things that they will remember unkindly.

Share everything else. Poop or pee by yourself. You'll both be happier and more turned-on by each other as the years go by.

/And for goodness' sakes, guys: Farting around your spouse is not as funny as you think it is.
 
2013-06-12 11:57:24 PM  

RoyBatty: spongeboob: Since few people seem to have read the article and fewer still probable clicked the link to the original article let me just post this


the school required her to use a staff bathroom after a grandparent of a male student complained that Maines shouldn't be allowed in the little girls' room.

I am okay with having her(yes I am going to call her, her) using a staff bathroom I think that was the school's only option.
But two questions come up it was only the grandparents of a student who had a problem, and grandparents of a male student, so the parents of the other children didn't have a problem.
Second I would think that the people who would be most likely to have a problem with this type of issue would also have a very big problem with a transgender(read queer) using the same bathroom as boys and watching them and wanting to have sex with them

I think if a 15 year old of any sex is brave enough to tell everyone that person really feels like a member of a different sex, and then proceeds to dress like that and take on behaviors consistent with the identified sex and that they are doing all of this just to get a peek at naughty bits in a restroom, well, hell, I have to applaud their ingenuity and perseverance and think they should be rewarded with that sort of access and by my addressing them as they prefer.

Otherwise, I would suspect they are telling the truth, especially if confirmed by parents, grandparents, and shrinks.


I don't think any 15 year old would have the patience to do all that just to catch a glimpse, isn't that what the internet is for?  And really what kind of look can you get in a bathroom, girls are in stalls so you would be caught peeking and still not get to see anything, and for the opposite sure you could try to look when a guy is using the urinal but you aren't going to see much.
 
2013-06-12 11:58:55 PM  
Having read the "liberal writer's" article I have to agree that they are messing with the kid in question. Having her use the staff restroom is probably the only option they are prepared for though.
 
2013-06-13 12:02:02 AM  

spongeboob: MadSkillz: puffy999: 
As someone who has trouble peeing at urinals if there are any people in the room, I support this message.

AS someone who gets creeped out by the guy next to me just staring ahead and not peeing when using the urinal I can also get behind this.


Come on now, we all get bladder shy every now and then.  Pro tip: Imagine peeing in the eye of your worst girlfriend.  Then just let it happen.
 
2013-06-13 12:03:10 AM  
While I must make it clear that I am by no means a connesewer of public restrooms, I can't see this as anything other than a basic mechanical problem. Men's restrooms have urinals, for the sake of expedient urination, with some having precious few actual toilets, save for large areas like arenas and Wally World. In many cases, that display toilet is also used as a urinal during periods of high traffic, leaving the next unfortunate soul to clean up some careless clod's piss on occasion. I doubt women like that cleanup any more than men. As the infinite wisdom of the Fark Collective has revealed, many women improperly use the thrones in their own restroom. Let's not even get into what places that serve alcohol likely foist upon the janitorial staff daily, or the mess that would result from having a similar display urinal in a women's restroom.

And man, if there were ever a valid reason to trot out "think of the children", this is it. How many parents would wind up being stuck 'standing guard' for the sick farks that undoubtedly exist, further crowding these omni-latrines, and how many parents would regret not doing so? If we're talking single toilet, sink, and a door with a push-lock, sure. If the concern is over transgendered individuals feeling out-of-place in either mass-restroom, 1-3 small rooms would very likely fill that niche just fine.That said was there ever any huge qualm with a post-op transsexual using a women's restroom?

Racial segregation, on the other hand, is an abomination stemming from rulling-class-reinforced ill-educated classification of groups as 'unclean', 'savage', and 'untrustworthy', or just so the targeted groups 'know their place'. To compare this to sorting people, by whether they have a penis or vagina, isn't just stupid or ridiculous; it's farking abhorrent exploitation of some of humanity's most horrifying actions.
 
2013-06-13 12:03:44 AM  
And yes, I think public communal restrooms should be swapped out for a bunch of smaller rooms each equipped with a toilet and a small sink (and a bidet, if I had my way, but this is the USA and we're weird).

Why do we insist on having big rooms with toilets all close to each other, with nothing between them but tiny stalls that don't even go all the way from the floor to the ceiling? We have to sit there and hear the guy next to us, and see his shoes. We have to do our best not to make too many noises because it's just embarrassing. We have to contend with creeps who peek over the top. We have to deal with people who walk up to the stall door and try to get in before they realize it's occupied (and we hope that the door actually has a working latch, too). Sometimes, in men's rooms, we don't even get doors on our stalls.

I don't want to hear, see, smell, or need to fend off other people when I'm trying to do my business!!!

Another thing I would approve of in these smaller, individual bathrooms: Doors that won't unlock until you wash your hands after using toilet. Too many times I've watched guys get out of a stall and walk straight out the door. EWWWWW!!! You people make me sick! No, really-- You're making everyone sick by touching things after wiping your ass and touching the public toilet. WASH YOUR F♥CKING HANDS YOU F♥CKING SICK ANIMALS!
 
2013-06-13 12:03:49 AM  
I don't want to be judged by women when I let out that primal "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh" when I barely make it to pee inside.  Women can never comprehend the agony of rushing for a bathroom while knowing that AT ANY SECOND, hell 20 seconds tops, this problem could be solved.  All you have to is cast aside social contracts (and a few misdemeanors).

Besides, I've worked as a barback before and cleaned all the bathroom.  Ladies can be nasty.
 
2013-06-13 12:09:08 AM  

OgreMagi: Rapmaster2000: OgreMagi: EvilEgg: I'm ok with not having to deal with women in the bathroom. From what I hear from the people who clean them women are gross.

My job in the summer between graduating high school and going to college was in a gas station/convenience store.  Included in my duties was cleaning the bathroom.  The men's room tended to have a lot of paper towels on the floor.  On a rare occasion someone might have puked with bad aim.  The women's bathroom, however, was farking gross every damn time.  Bloody tampons thrown against the wall and on the floor was the usual expectation.  This was NOT in a bad neighborhood.

I was a bouncer back in the day in a college bar.  The women's bathroom was always the worst.  Tampons.  Tampons everywhere!  Why?

Because they know the person cleaning up after them is most likely a man.  It's a biatch revenge thing.


I worked for a year as a busboy/cleanup guy at a bar in college.  I don't know how women behave in offices, but in bars?  Women are the worst, hands down.  Men might pee on the floor near a drain, they will definitely pee in the sink, but that pales in comparison to what a women's bathroom in a cheap bar looks like at the end of the night.  I had to clean up graffiti written in shiat, menstrual blood, or even snot.  They would stick maxi-pads on the mirror and write insults in lipstick under them.  This was in the late 80's/early 90's - so this isn't something recent.  Women have been this gross while hammered forever.

Also, and I figure cocaine must have figured into this, at least twice a month I'd have to clean up discarded panties literally covered in shiat.  Not brown liquid, but something relatively solid that made them look like expensive used diapers.  They had weight to them. At no point in the entire year did I find anything even remotely close to that in the men's room.

Women's bar bathrooms are the worst of the worst.  Drunk women will out-gross any man any day of the week.  Men will pee everywhere.  Women seem to either shiat or bleed everywhere, but they want to advertise it, too.
 
2013-06-13 12:11:16 AM  

AttawaYawattA: spongeboob: MadSkillz: puffy999: 
As someone who has trouble peeing at urinals if there are any people in the room, I support this message.

AS someone who gets creeped out by the guy next to me just staring ahead and not peeing when using the urinal I can also get behind this.

Come on now, we all get bladder shy every now and then.  Pro tip: Imagine peeing in the eye of your worst girlfriend.  Then just let it happen.


I can't pee when I have a boner.
 
2013-06-13 12:12:39 AM  

RanDomino:

RevRaven
You can mock him all you want, but he's right. Just because someone has a mental disorder and feels the need to mutilate themselves doesn't actually change them to another gender. It just makes them a person with mutilated genitalia.

Trolling or tag with "ought to throw self off bridge"?


RevMercutio: Can you guess the exact moment I determined you were a bigot and therefore unintelligent? I'm guessing not.


It is a disorder.  People with gender dysphoria are an anomaly in our society.  They deviate from the norm, and it has recognizable symptoms.  Just because something is labeled a disorder doesn't imply the afflicted are evil or not worthy of equal consideration.  By throwing these self-righteous fits every time someone calls a spade a spade, you demean the standing of everyone else who suffers from disorders.

PTSD sufferers wish they weren't broken, extreme OCD sufferers doubtless are annoyed by their compulsions, people who insist they were born the wrong gender have a completely legitimate argument, but it doesn't change the fact that it is a disorder.

We spend so much damn time tip-toeing around the least offensive term that we don't help the people who need help.

Also, resorting to ad-hominem attacks because you're frustrated people don't see it your way does not mark you as particularly intelligent yourself.
 
2013-06-13 12:17:19 AM  

Sandwyrm: RanDomino:

RevRaven
You can mock him all you want, but he's right. Just because someone has a mental disorder and feels the need to mutilate themselves doesn't actually change them to another gender. It just makes them a person with mutilated genitalia.

Trolling or tag with "ought to throw self off bridge"?

RevMercutio: Can you guess the exact moment I determined you were a bigot and therefore unintelligent? I'm guessing not.

It is a disorder.  People with gender dysphoria are an anomaly in our society.  They deviate from the norm, and it has recognizable symptoms.  Just because something is labeled a disorder doesn't imply the afflicted are evil or not worthy of equal consideration.  By throwing these self-righteous fits every time someone calls a spade a spade, you demean the standing of everyone else who suffers from disorders.

PTSD sufferers wish they weren't broken, extreme OCD sufferers doubtless are annoyed by their compulsions, people who insist they were born the wrong gender have a completely legitimate argument, but it doesn't change the fact that it is a disorder.

We spend so much damn time tip-toeing around the least offensive term that we don't help the people who need help.

Also, resorting to ad-hominem attacks because you're frustrated people don't see it your way does not mark you as particularly intelligent yourself.


While I am not ready to accept that someone was "born the wrong gender", I do accept that they believe it.  However, to demand parents accept someone as female and intermingle with girls in a restroom despite having a penis is asking too much.  No, I don't really have a solution, other than as someone else suggested of using the staff restroom.
 
2013-06-13 12:18:35 AM  
Know what else is sexist and wrong?

Women having to put a shirt on over their melons.

If men go around topless women should totally bare their hooters.

Equal respect for womens chests! I shall show my respect by photogaphing the titties
 
2013-06-13 12:19:03 AM  

AliceBToklasLives: So how would this affect stall graffiti?


Scented pens, and the Is dotted with little hearts
 
2013-06-13 12:22:07 AM  

Lanadapter: Know what else is sexist and wrong?

Women having to put a shirt on over their melons.

If men go around topless women should totally bare their hooters.

Equal respect for womens chests! I shall show my respect by photogaphing the titties


In some women's right march, the women were going bare chested.  They tried to tell the guys with cameras that they couldn't take pictures because it was a privacy violation.  They were informed, much to their dismay, that there was no expectation of privacy on a public street.  After seeing a few of the pictures, I was glad I was not present to see those cows in the flesh.
 
2013-06-13 12:23:25 AM  
Cause male to female transgender people are just doing it as a ruse to get access to the bathroom or lockerroom.
 
2013-06-13 12:24:18 AM  

Sandwyrm: PTSD


Metioning PTSD in a public toilet thread made me think of  this (swf but not safe for sanity)
 
2013-06-13 12:27:11 AM  

jake_lex: Potato Busters link greenlit with 0 comments and 4 clicks on TFA, as I post this.

Nice job guys


Fark clearly supports affirmative action.
 
2013-06-13 12:27:27 AM  
OgreMagi:
I can't pee when I have a boner.

Morning Wood, man. Sometimes you have to pee before it will go away.
Or maybe that's a side effect of an anti-depressant or something, but it's happened to me before.
 
2013-06-13 12:30:12 AM  

ZeroCorpse: I have decided in my second marriage (and my girl is fine with this) that bathroom activities are to be done in private. No conversations with the partner as they sit on the toilet. No standing there whizzing while she's in the room watching. No watching her do her business or deal with her menstrual issues. We go in the bathroom and close the door. We do not share the room when one of us has to use it for evacuation.

I know when you're in a relationship it's tempting to just do these things in front of each other, but I am positive that once you do, it kills the romance a little (unless you're a fetishist). It takes away some of the dignity you once had. It lets your partner see you in the most unflattering position you can possibly be in, and experience things that they will remember unkindly.

Share everything else. Poop or pee by yourself. You'll both be happier and more turned-on by each other as the years go by.

/And for goodness' sakes, guys: Farting around your spouse is not as funny as you think it is.


What do you guys do when you are for a ride in the country or a walk in the woods, I have to stand guard for my wife in these situations and I have to be close enough so she can here me tell her someone is coming.
 
2013-06-13 12:32:18 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: OgreMagi:
I can't pee when I have a boner.

Morning Wood, man. Sometimes you have to pee before it will go away.
Or maybe that's a side effect of an anti-depressant or something, but it's happened to me before.


Mozart introduced us to that you know.  Some ladies love the Magic Flute.
 
2013-06-13 12:37:34 AM  
Because somebody's shiatty blog I didn't read is what liberals actually believe, or something.
 
2013-06-13 12:38:37 AM  
Honestly, I couldn't possibly care less whether bathrooms are segregated or not.  I get it from the other end, though, it's not because I'm so absurdly PC that my delicate sensibilities can't stand any acknowledgement that there are multiple human demographics of any kind, it's because I grew up in a rural area and frankly places where more than half the population does physical work outdoors on a regular basis tend not to really give a shiat about establishing some sort of perfectly arranged tradition-laden meditation environment just to take a farking piss.  Many buildings in the place I grew up didn't even have more than one bathroom to begin with, plumbing costs money to install and maintain.

I mean, really, is this worth making into an issue either way?  Let businesses and so on do whatever, have public buildings like courthouses err on the side of the less forgiving standards, and if it bothers you don't use the bathroom at places that only have the one.  Not that big a deal and not really a political point.
 
2013-06-13 12:39:29 AM  

EvilEgg: I'm ok with not having to deal with women in the bathroom. From what I hear from the people who clean them women are gross.


I used to clean women's bathrooms. They were usually cleaner than the men's.
 
2013-06-13 12:50:39 AM  

OgreMagi: I can't pee when I have a boner.


Splash cold water on it in the sink.

If you have a boner in a men's public rest room.
Find a Republican to help.
 
2013-06-13 12:59:16 AM  

Without Fail: OgreMagi: I can't pee when I have a boner.

Splash cold water on it in the sink.


+1 Skip the urinal, use the sink
 
2013-06-13 01:05:15 AM  
jbearinjapan.files.wordpress.com
How do ya'll feel about the seat warmer?
 
2013-06-13 01:16:35 AM  

RevRaven: You can mock him all you want, but he's right. Just because someone has a mental disorder and feels the need to mutilate themselves doesn't actually change them to another gender. It just makes them a person with mutilated genitalia.


And then you have this asshole.
 
2013-06-13 01:16:46 AM  

Sandwyrm: RanDomino:

RevRaven
You can mock him all you want, but he's right. Just because someone has a mental disorder and feels the need to mutilate themselves doesn't actually change them to another gender. It just makes them a person with mutilated genitalia.

Trolling or tag with "ought to throw self off bridge"?

RevMercutio: Can you guess the exact moment I determined you were a bigot and therefore unintelligent? I'm guessing not.

It is a disorder.  People with gender dysphoria are an anomaly in our society.  They deviate from the norm, and it has recognizable symptoms.  Just because something is labeled a disorder doesn't imply the afflicted are evil or not worthy of equal consideration.  By throwing these self-righteous fits every time someone calls a spade a spade, you demean the standing of everyone else who suffers from disorders.

PTSD sufferers wish they weren't broken, extreme OCD sufferers doubtless are annoyed by their compulsions, people who insist they were born the wrong gender have a completely legitimate argument, but it doesn't change the fact that it is a disorder.

We spend so much damn time tip-toeing around the least offensive term that we don't help the people who need help.

Also, resorting to ad-hominem attacks because you're frustrated people don't see it your way does not mark you as particularly intelligent yourself.


Yes, calling this bigotry is taking things too far.  I don't think the OP was judging anyone when he said that transgenders have a mental disorder.  I can totally accept that they were born feeling that way, and I'm not going to knock someone who feels sufficiently compelled to do something about it to the point of self-mutilation.  To each his own.  But let's stick to the facts, because that's exactly what it is - self-mutilation.  Lopping off your penis no more makes you a female than putting on a wig, and you wouldn't let a guy in a wig enter the women's restroom in a public school, now would you?  Is it discrimination?  Sure it is, and it's totally appropriate.  Discrimination isn't a naughty word - we all discriminate every day.  Every time you choose chocolate ice cream over vanilla you have discriminated.  Being a discriminating person simply means making choices between things.  Discrimination is only bad when you use it to trample on the rights of others, and I don't think this qualifies.  When this man's bones are dug up by future archeologists, they will see X and Y chromosomes - male.  End of story.  He can self-identify and alter his appearance all he wants, and I will respect that as far as it goes.  But I won't call him "her", because that's lying, and I'm not ok with him using the little girl's restroom.  We don't segregate bathrooms to be bigoted, we do it to avoid uncomfortable situations and sexual abuse.

We should respect people's proclivities, even if they're not the norm, but not to the point that we pretend what isn't, is.  We need to stick to reality.
 
2013-06-13 01:23:41 AM  

Lanadapter: If men go around topless women should totally bare their hooters.


The problem isn't women or their breasts, it's stupid men who can't control themselves.
The main reason women have to wear clothes is so many stupid bastards can't keep their hands to themselves...or worse.
Then look at the Middle East where if a woman isn't entirely covered with robes, she's asking to get assaulted and raped.
The fault is all men who have no control over themselves.
However, the girls who smell like mackerel? That's totally on you.
 
2013-06-13 01:29:40 AM  

Without Fail: OgreMagi: I can't pee when I have a boner.

Splash cold water on it in the sink.

If you have a boner in a men's public rest room.
Find a Republican to help.


You missed the part where someone said imagine peeing into the eye of your worse girlfriend.  If I'm that close to skull-farking that biatch, I'm going to have some major wood.
 
2013-06-13 01:43:01 AM  
Let's get this straight (no pun intended). The person in question is not a girl. He is a boy. Despite Winkler's insistence on using "she" and "her" to refer to Nicole Maines, the fact is that "Nicole" is a boy who "identifies as" - read, pretends to be - a girl. No matter how you slice it, the truth remains that he is a boy.

Why would you need to say there is no pun intended? Being transsexual or transgendered are independent of sexual orientation. Of course, the rest of the drivel from the author speaks to insecurity about gender roles, gender identity, sexual orientation, genitalia, and chromosomal sex and the implications on our utterly simplistic view our society has of concepts such as our division of people into strictly male and strictly female. I think people are becoming insecure of themselves, realizing when we see a pair of breasts this does not mean the person attached to them could have necessarily grown them themselves by virtue of anatomy, will be married to a stereotypical male, wants to be a homemaker, and wants to give birth to and raise several children, and all of the people who have never had to wrap their thoughts around identity realize the identity for them is one forced by society.
 
2013-06-13 02:11:34 AM  

PillsHere: As a woman I would prefer not to share a bathroom with men.  I've had to go into the men's room before at a job (my boss made me change the air purifiers when they ran out) and all I can say is no - just no.  The smell was ungodly bad and there never seemed to be soap in there.  I know women can be dirty and messy and I don't like it either, but at least 99% of women will wash their hands after using the bathroom (at least from what I've seen) which for men seems to be a lot lower.  I've noticed this at a job where my desk was near the bathroom and you could hear the sink through the walls.  Also I've noticed this with guys who come to my house.  But I know I'm on fark and people will tell me how hand washing isn't necessary.  Women who pee on seats are gross, but I will avoid those toilets with pee on the seats and I always use seat covers/toilet paper on the seat.  I don't need to add no hand washing and boogars on the wall to the list of gross things in the bathroom.  I'll stick with stinky tampon smell and probably peed on seats and not quadruple the problem.


Substitute "gay men" or "black people" for "men" above, and you'll start to see the problem with your statement.

Also, your preferences and inconveniences are noted, but all transgender people want is  to be treated like the gender that they are, and I think that their desires are bit more profound than "men are gross and I don't want to share a bathroom with them."  Your issues just end up sounding petty compared to theirs.
 
2013-06-13 02:19:33 AM  

OgreMagi: While I am not ready to accept that someone was "born the wrong gender", I do accept that they believe it.  However, to demand parents accept someone as female and intermingle with girls in a restroom despite having a penis is asking too much.  No, I don't really have a solution, other than as someone else suggested of using the staff restroom.


I'm not entirely sure why your, or the parents', opinions on the medical legitimacy of transgender people are in any way relevant here.  Maine has laws that protect people from discrimination on the basis of gender identity and expression; therefore, to say that it's asking too much is incorrect, as the state has already decided that it's in fact  not too much to ask.
 
2013-06-13 02:19:59 AM  

austerity101: all transgender people want is to be treated like the gender that they think they are,


Until they figure out how to change chromosomes, having a pecker removed does not make you female, nor does having one added make you male.  Real science beats the pseudo-science of human psychology.
 
2013-06-13 02:22:29 AM  

sendtodave: To be fair, old piss does smell bad.  Ammonia stinks.
But "stinky tampon smell?"  Much, much worse.  In every conceivable way.  Including just the knowledge that it exists.


Women are more used to "stinky tampon smell" because tampons are a biological necessity, so they grow up with the things being a constant background odor in every locker room and toilet. Men are more used to "old piss smell" because a lot of concert venues don't serve anything but f*cking Budweiser.
 
2013-06-13 02:22:52 AM  
What about the purvy women who watch men pee???


/women can be as sick & disgusting as men...why should we raise our standards?
 
2013-06-13 02:25:09 AM  

OgreMagi: austerity101: all transgender people want is to be treated like the gender that they think they are,

Until they figure out how to change chromosomes, having a pecker removed does not make you female, nor does having one added make you male.  Real science beats the pseudo-science of human psychology.


Oh, you're one of those.
 
2013-06-13 02:26:04 AM  

austerity101: OgreMagi: While I am not ready to accept that someone was "born the wrong gender", I do accept that they believe it.  However, to demand parents accept someone as female and intermingle with girls in a restroom despite having a penis is asking too much.  No, I don't really have a solution, other than as someone else suggested of using the staff restroom.

I'm not entirely sure why your, or the parents', opinions on the medical legitimacy of transgender people are in any way relevant here.  Maine has laws that protect people from discrimination on the basis of gender identity and expression; therefore, to say that it's asking too much is incorrect, as the state has already decided that it's in fact  not too much to ask.


A parents opinion matters because a boy in the girls restroom is normally considered an issue.  How that person views themselves doesn't matter when the physical reality trumps them.
 
2013-06-13 02:27:47 AM  

austerity101: OgreMagi: austerity101: all transgender people want is to be treated like the gender that they think they are,

Until they figure out how to change chromosomes, having a pecker removed does not make you female, nor does having one added make you male.  Real science beats the pseudo-science of human psychology.

Oh, you're one of those.


Yes, how horrible of me to believe in science.  I also don't believe in invisible sky fairies who help sports teams win games but let children die of cancer.
 
2013-06-13 02:28:08 AM  

OgreMagi: austerity101: OgreMagi: While I am not ready to accept that someone was "born the wrong gender", I do accept that they believe it.  However, to demand parents accept someone as female and intermingle with girls in a restroom despite having a penis is asking too much.  No, I don't really have a solution, other than as someone else suggested of using the staff restroom.

I'm not entirely sure why your, or the parents', opinions on the medical legitimacy of transgender people are in any way relevant here.  Maine has laws that protect people from discrimination on the basis of gender identity and expression; therefore, to say that it's asking too much is incorrect, as the state has already decided that it's in fact  not too much to ask.

A parents opinion matters because a boy in the girls restroom is normally considered an issue.  How that person views themselves doesn't matter when the physical reality trumps them.


A parent's opinion doesn't matter when the state has said that it doesn't matter because it constitutes discrimination.  Would you be saying the same thing if the parents were uncomfortable with gay people in the bathroom, or people of different races or religions perhaps?
 
2013-06-13 02:30:29 AM  

PillsHere: but at least 99% of women will wash their hands after using the bathroom (at least from what I've seen) which for men seems to be a lot lower.


According to a totally unscientific group project I did for an Infectious Diseases class, it's about 55% wash rate.  And that's with many turning back from the door to wash their hands when they realized someone was standing near the door counting.  If there were an ethical manner in which to conduct a count which did not involve a visible monitor, I would dare say the numbers would be much lower.

/the guy who volunteered to count was a real trooper
//women's numbers came out to be about 90% with only a minor amount of "turnbacks" once the counter was found
///dudes, seriously wash your hands, if you learned the shiat we did in that class, you'd be scared your dick would fall off if you shook the wrong guy's hand.
 
2013-06-13 02:31:11 AM  

OgreMagi: austerity101: OgreMagi: austerity101: all transgender people want is to be treated like the gender that they think they are,

Until they figure out how to change chromosomes, having a pecker removed does not make you female, nor does having one added make you male.  Real science beats the pseudo-science of human psychology.

Oh, you're one of those.

Yes, how horrible of me to believe in science.  I also don't believe in invisible sky fairies who help sports teams win games but let children die of cancer.


Well, that was nonsensical and irrelevant.
 
2013-06-13 02:31:58 AM  

austerity101: OgreMagi: austerity101: OgreMagi: While I am not ready to accept that someone was "born the wrong gender", I do accept that they believe it.  However, to demand parents accept someone as female and intermingle with girls in a restroom despite having a penis is asking too much.  No, I don't really have a solution, other than as someone else suggested of using the staff restroom.

I'm not entirely sure why your, or the parents', opinions on the medical legitimacy of transgender people are in any way relevant here.  Maine has laws that protect people from discrimination on the basis of gender identity and expression; therefore, to say that it's asking too much is incorrect, as the state has already decided that it's in fact  not too much to ask.

A parents opinion matters because a boy in the girls restroom is normally considered an issue.  How that person views themselves doesn't matter when the physical reality trumps them.

A parent's opinion doesn't matter when the state has said that it doesn't matter because it constitutes discrimination.  Would you be saying the same thing if the parents were uncomfortable with gay people in the bathroom, or people of different races or religions perhaps?


I support gay rights.  My family is mixed race.  Transgender is an entirely different argument, completely unrelated.

However, I would prefer not sharing a bathroom with a scientologist to avoid the temptation of kicking the shiat of him.
 
2013-06-13 02:38:33 AM  

OgreMagi: austerity101: OgreMagi: A parents opinion matters because a boy in the girls restroom is normally considered an issue.  How that person views themselves doesn't matter when the physical reality trumps them.

A parent's opinion doesn't matter when the state has said that it doesn't matter because it constitutes discrimination.  Would you be saying the same thing if the parents were uncomfortable with gay people in the bathroom, or people of different races or religions perhaps?

I support gay rights.  My family is mixed race.  Transgender is an entirely different argument, completely unrelated.

However, I would prefer not sharing a bathroom with a scientologist to avoid the temptation of kicking the shiat of him.


And that would also be illegal discrimination.  Maine law protects gay people, scientologists, people of all races, and trans people alike.  How you feel about transgender people is irrelevant, and how the parents of schoolchildren do as well.

I'm actually pretty confused as to why this is even an issue to begin with, the law being as it is.
 
2013-06-13 02:42:19 AM  

austerity101: PillsHere: As a woman I would prefer not to share a bathroom with men.  I've had to go into the men's room before at a job (my boss made me change the air purifiers when they ran out) and all I can say is no - just no.  The smell was ungodly bad and there never seemed to be soap in there.  I know women can be dirty and messy and I don't like it either, but at least 99% of women will wash their hands after using the bathroom (at least from what I've seen) which for men seems to be a lot lower.  I've noticed this at a job where my desk was near the bathroom and you could hear the sink through the walls.  Also I've noticed this with guys who come to my house.  But I know I'm on fark and people will tell me how hand washing isn't necessary.  Women who pee on seats are gross, but I will avoid those toilets with pee on the seats and I always use seat covers/toilet paper on the seat.  I don't need to add no hand washing and boogars on the wall to the list of gross things in the bathroom.  I'll stick with stinky tampon smell and probably peed on seats and not quadruple the problem.

Substitute "gay men" or "black people" for "men" above, and you'll start to see the problem with your statement.

Also, your preferences and inconveniences are noted, but all transgender people want is  to be treated like the gender that they are, and I think that their desires are bit more profound than "men are gross and I don't want to share a bathroom with them."  Your issues just end up sounding petty compared to theirs.


Yah I didn't read TFA so I wasn't actually referring to transgender people.  Guess that will teach me.  I was just talking about having unisex bathrooms in general where there's 1 bathroom for everyone in all public places.  I don't care if transgender people use their preferred gender's bathroom.
 
2013-06-13 03:06:09 AM  

ColdFusion: ///dudes, seriously wash your hands, if you learned the shiat we did in that class, you'd be scared your dick would fall off if you shook the wrong guy's hand.


To be fair, urinating for a man doesn't actually usually involve coming into contact with anything dirtier or more contaminated than the flush handle, so for men it's more about a general obligation to occasionally wash the last few hours' accumulated dirt and so on off rather than an actual worry about contamination.  Situation's a bit different for women most of the time.

//Short of having a surface-contact STD, I guess.
//Again, good habit to wash occasionally in general.  With non-antibacterial soap, if you use antibacterial you're actually making the problem worse instead of better overall.
//Yes, "all soap is antibacterial", antibacterial soap refers specifically to triclosan-doped or other imbued-drug soaps using chemicals that suppress bacterial reproduction rather than just, y'know, killing them or sweeping them off their host surface.
 
2013-06-13 03:08:42 AM  

OgreMagi: I support gay rights.  My family is mixed race.  Transgender is an entirely different argument, completely unrelated.


How so? Medical science is still uncommitted as to whether or not homosexuality is primarily due to genetics or upbringing, but current studies are leaning strongly towards genetics. It's believed that transgendered people may be the result of genetics as well. After all, brain structure is the main determinant of gender, not genitalia. Note that hermaphrodites tend to identify with only one gender instead of both, and in those sad cases where male babies had their penises removed for various reasons and were then raised as girls, the attempted gender reassignment usually didn't stick.

The biggest problem in doing proper studies is that homosexuality and transgenderism are still hugely controversial issues, and few researchers are willing to stick their necks out and attach their names to a theory. No matter what answers they try to provide, someone's going to be upset, and that's no help when it comes time to get your grant renewed.
 
2013-06-13 03:16:42 AM  

OgreMagi: austerity101: all transgender people want is to be treated like the gender that they think they are,

Until they figure out how to change chromosomes, having a pecker removed does not make you female, nor does having one added make you male.  Real science beats the pseudo-science of human psychology.


There are various syndromes in which the patient is one sex externally, but genetically the other. Used to work with a woman who had one of those syndromes, either Klinefelter's or Turner's, I think. She was a female person who had male chromosomes. It's certainly not common, but it's real science. Gender isn't as cut and dried as "what parts you got down there?" or "Are you XX or XY?"
 
2013-06-13 03:20:36 AM  
This perpetuates rape culture.
 
2013-06-13 03:27:27 AM  
They should segregate bathrooms only by number 1 and number 2.
 
2013-06-13 03:31:03 AM  

Jim_Callahan: ColdFusion: ///dudes, seriously wash your hands, if you learned the shiat we did in that class, you'd be scared your dick would fall off if you shook the wrong guy's hand.

To be fair, urinating for a man doesn't actually usually involve coming into contact with anything dirtier or more contaminated than the flush handle, so for men it's more about a general obligation to occasionally wash the last few hours' accumulated dirt and so on off rather than an actual worry about contamination.  Situation's a bit different for women most of the time.

//Short of having a surface-contact STD, I guess.
//Again, good habit to wash occasionally in general.  With non-antibacterial soap, if you use antibacterial you're actually making the problem worse instead of better overall.
//Yes, "all soap is antibacterial", antibacterial soap refers specifically to triclosan-doped or other imbued-drug soaps using chemicals that suppress bacterial reproduction rather than just, y'know, killing them or sweeping them off their host surface.


Hoo haas are dirtier than wing wangs?
 
2013-06-13 03:34:13 AM  

rzrwiresunrise: This perpetuates rape culture.


I always knew that the Democratic Republic of Congo was one step away from being the rape capital of the world when it came down hard on unisex bathrooms.
 
2013-06-13 03:35:53 AM  
Who gives a fark if SHIM is using a pole or a hole to go pee?

The French may have started sexual segregation but that was before the Bastille. Now they have 'em all over the place. Segregated ones are for the tourists and you see most of them in paris.

CSB: When I was kiddo camping in France my sister thought the urinals were the sinks in which you wash you hand. She asked? I answered... of course it's more efficient that way, the water comes out faster and the water is scented by that round "crumbly" soap.

Took a hiding but I still remember the look on my sister's face after my parents told her that wasn't a magical handwasher.
 
2013-06-13 03:40:54 AM  

OgreMagi: Yes, how horrible of me to believe in science. I also don't believe in invisible sky fairies who help sports teams win games but let children die of cancer.


You know nothing of science beyond what your 8th grade biology class taught you. You're not even wrong you are so wrong.

In the real world, chromosomes determine what haploid cells you produce. They do not determine gender.
 
2013-06-13 03:53:46 AM  

Jim_Callahan: ColdFusion: ///dudes, seriously wash your hands, if you learned the shiat we did in that class, you'd be scared your dick would fall off if you shook the wrong guy's hand.

To be fair, urinating for a man doesn't actually usually involve coming into contact with anything dirtier or more contaminated than the flush handle, so for men it's more about a general obligation to occasionally wash the last few hours' accumulated dirt and so on off rather than an actual worry about contamination.  Situation's a bit different for women most of the time.

//Short of having a surface-contact STD, I guess.
//Again, good habit to wash occasionally in general.  With non-antibacterial soap, if you use antibacterial you're actually making the problem worse instead of better overall.
//Yes, "all soap is antibacterial", antibacterial soap refers specifically to triclosan-doped or other imbued-drug soaps using chemicals that suppress bacterial reproduction rather than just, y'know, killing them or sweeping them off their host surface.


So women have this "daily wash: for their hoo-haa

www.justotc.com

Apparently some pH balanced soap doesn't change your lady flora so as to not start baking bread or something.

Why do men not have dick soap? Or asshole soap for that matter because I know  the ladies are washing their assholes with that as well.

You would need a scent that still kept with a tain't, chode smell yet sensitive to the ladies.

www.ecorazzi.com

Nailed It.

The Gos-wash for the Gonads.
 
2013-06-13 04:00:03 AM  

wotthefark: Jim_Callahan: ColdFusion: ///dudes, seriously wash your hands, if you learned the shiat we did in that class, you'd be scared your dick would fall off if you shook the wrong guy's hand.

To be fair, urinating for a man doesn't actually usually involve coming into contact with anything dirtier or more contaminated than the flush handle, so for men it's more about a general obligation to occasionally wash the last few hours' accumulated dirt and so on off rather than an actual worry about contamination.  Situation's a bit different for women most of the time.

//Short of having a surface-contact STD, I guess.
//Again, good habit to wash occasionally in general.  With non-antibacterial soap, if you use antibacterial you're actually making the problem worse instead of better overall.
//Yes, "all soap is antibacterial", antibacterial soap refers specifically to triclosan-doped or other imbued-drug soaps using chemicals that suppress bacterial reproduction rather than just, y'know, killing them or sweeping them off their host surface.

So women have this "daily wash: for their hoo-haa

[www.justotc.com image 196x196]

Apparently some pH balanced soap doesn't change your lady flora so as to not start baking bread or something.

Why do men not have dick soap? Or asshole soap for that matter because I know  the ladies are washing their assholes with that as well.

You would need a scent that still kept with a tain't, chode smell yet sensitive to the ladies.

[www.ecorazzi.com image 403x230]

Nailed It.

The Gos-wash for the Gonads.


Any bottle of soap can be dick soap, as long as the opening of the bottle is large enough to stick your dick in.
 
2013-06-13 04:02:10 AM  
i am not going to read the thread, but, submitter, even if  you are a "friend" of mine- I wish you nothing less than the full time of the rest of your life in a pain amplifier. Also known as my shoes. And the min that approved this headline. I used to like this website,  but thanks for nothing, Drew- you found a way to make a cool place just a hangout for trolls. Too bad- you *had* something nice , mate.
Thanks for catering to the lowest common denominator of user. Idiot .
 
2013-06-13 04:16:31 AM  

austerity101: Also, your preferences and inconveniences are noted, but all transgender people want is  to be treated like the gender that they are, and I think that their desires are bit more profound than "men are gross and I don't want to share a bathroom with them."


For clarification, is that the gender that they are biologically, or the one they are in their minds?
 
2013-06-13 04:25:30 AM  

alienated: i am not going to read the thread, but, submitter, even if  you are a "friend" of mine- I wish you nothing less than the full time of the rest of your life in a pain amplifier. Also known as my shoes. And the min that approved this headline. I used to like this website,  but thanks for nothing, Drew- you found a way to make a cool place just a hangout for trolls. Too bad- you *had* something nice , mate.
Thanks for catering to the lowest common denominator of user. Idiot .


That you are upset comes through. The specifics of why you are upset do not.

I don't think that benefits anyone, either you, FARK modmins, people that would try to support transgender people, or people that you think are currently trolls and/or various sorts of haters.

Right now for many people, the biology, the psychology, the science is very unclear. It's not anything they were taught in school, and seemingly extraordinary for Western culture. And yet, I do think (speaking like someone from Star Fleet asking Q not to destroy us yet) that we have gone pretty far.

I dunno, you might benefit yourself and the rest of us by engaging rather than just telling everyone off.
 
2013-06-13 04:36:40 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: wotthefark: Jim_Callahan: ColdFusion: ///dudes, seriously wash your hands, if you learned the shiat we did in that class, you'd be scared your dick would fall off if you shook the wrong guy's hand.

To be fair, urinating for a man doesn't actually usually involve coming into contact with anything dirtier or more contaminated than the flush handle, so for men it's more about a general obligation to occasionally wash the last few hours' accumulated dirt and so on off rather than an actual worry about contamination.  Situation's a bit different for women most of the time.

//Short of having a surface-contact STD, I guess.
//Again, good habit to wash occasionally in general.  With non-antibacterial soap, if you use antibacterial you're actually making the problem worse instead of better overall.
//Yes, "all soap is antibacterial", antibacterial soap refers specifically to triclosan-doped or other imbued-drug soaps using chemicals that suppress bacterial reproduction rather than just, y'know, killing them or sweeping them off their host surface.

So women have this "daily wash: for their hoo-haa

[www.justotc.com image 196x196]

Apparently some pH balanced soap doesn't change your lady flora so as to not start baking bread or something.

Why do men not have dick soap? Or asshole soap for that matter because I know  the ladies are washing their assholes with that as well.

You would need a scent that still kept with a tain't, chode smell yet sensitive to the ladies.

[www.ecorazzi.com image 403x230]

Nailed It.

The Gos-wash for the Gonads.

Any bottle of soap can be dick soap, as long as the opening of the bottle is large enough to stick your dick in.


You can wash your minge in any type of soap,

Someone already stole my idea anyway.

2.bp.blogspot.com

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-06-13 04:50:35 AM  

alienated: i am not going to read the thread, but, submitter, even if  you are a "friend" of mine- I wish you nothing less than the full time of the rest of your life in a pain amplifier. Also known as my shoes. And the min that approved this headline. I used to like this website,  but thanks for nothing, Drew- you found a way to make a cool place just a hangout for trolls. Too bad- you *had* something nice , mate.
Thanks for catering to the lowest common denominator of user. Idiot .


There's a lot of sand in your pretend vagina.

You're certainly as dramatic as a real girl.
 
2013-06-13 05:05:13 AM  

alienated: i am not going to read the thread, but, submitter, even if  you are a "friend" of mine- I wish you nothing less than the full time of the rest of your life in a pain amplifier. Also known as my shoes. And the min that approved this headline. I used to like this website,  but thanks for nothing, Drew- you found a way to make a cool place just a hangout for trolls. Too bad- you *had* something nice , mate.
Thanks for catering to the lowest common denominator of user. Idiot .


Trigger word in the headline? Drew, his staff and the community don't owe you anything. Melodrama that ends in tragedy is still melodrama. Your troubles are your own.
 
2013-06-13 06:48:37 AM  
i.imgur.com

/ has also never had oral sex
 
2013-06-13 06:48:37 AM  
Because keeping pervy men from watching women peeing is just a bad a racism

Ah, yes, the old "all men needed to be treated as criminals simply for being men" argument. Because there are no variations to this that could possibly make your argument even more retardedly stupid.
 
2013-06-13 06:53:14 AM  
Men's and women's rest rooms doesn't really concern me much, especially when we still have Jim Crow institutions around like the sphinx organization.
 
2013-06-13 06:55:23 AM  

Lsherm: I have shy bladder so I am all for requiring every bathroom to be a single individual room with one toilet.  Plus, that way you can really relax when you need some reading time.


No, because if there's just one toilet in the room, your shy bladder siezes up every time someone knocks on the door to see if someone's in there. Just make sure all the stalls have doors with latches, and you should be good.

/I also have a shy bladder
//hate hate hate when someone knocks on a bathroom door
///have to start all over again
 
2013-06-13 07:07:45 AM  

austerity101: Also, your preferences and inconveniences are noted, but all transgender people want is  to be treated like the gender that they are


I have a big issue with this right here.  You might not realize how sexist you sound(and may be without realizing it).  The question is not why we would/wouldn't treat a person differently before/after "gender re-assignment," but rather WHY SHOULD we treat them different in the first place?  If you treat a man any different than you treat a woman, that is inherently sexist.

Such sexism is pretty well established in our culture, but that does not mean you should accept it.  Many transgenders are really only asking for a different flavor of sexist behavior.  That is the wrong battle to fight and really only sets us back.  They should fight to end sexual discrimination instead.  Stop asking people to treat you like a man or a woman and start asking them to treat you like A PERSON.

That said, I really am not a big fan of gender re-assignment surgery in the same way I am not a fan of breast implants, nose jobs, etc.  I see it as a unhealthy rejection of our natural form.  We should all learn to accept and love ourselves as we are instead of as some other artificial version of ourselves.

The way I see it, the reason I think people start feeling the need for gender re-assignment falls under 1 or both of the following reasons

1.  Society conditioned (sexist) views of gender roles.  None of these are natural nor inherent based upon a person's gender.  Reality is anyone can do anything and anyone can have any preferences.  There is no "default" based off your gender.  So having "masculine" preferences does not make one a male.  Neither does having "femanine" tendencies make one a female.  Gender roles need to properly go the way of the caveman.

2.  Sexual guilt.  Despite higher acceptance than (probably) any other time in history, homosexuality is still looked down upon and stigmatized.  Once a person hears the same thing too many times, somewhere in their mind they start to feel that there is some truth to what they hear - even despite their logical part of their mind telling them otherwise.  The kind of things they hear will have a negative effect on them (and their self-image), even when they should know better and it will probably (sadly) always stick with them.

But if "I'm really a man, then being attracted to women actually means I'm straight."  It is something your mind does subconsciously to justify something that you really shouldn't feel guilty about in the first place (yet do).  Self-justification mode is ALWAYS active in the mind.  It is a powerful subconscious mechanism that actively does shape our conscious thought processes.  And that is probably why someone "feels" like a certain gender - when really a gender doesn't "feel" like anything and should not mean a damn thing!

So I think if people can come to accept and love themselves as they are - and if you can get society to drop all the judgements (I guess I won't be holding my breath) - gender re-assignment becomes less necessary.

Except I suppose at the point where medical science can perform true gender re-assignment, that could allow same sex couples to procreate together.  Although at that point they would cease to be a "same sex" couple.  Yet  it could only be called natural that - if they love each other - then they may want to create and raise a child together.  We can't do that yet, but someday we will.

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hardinparamedic : In the real world, chromosomes determine what haploid cells you produce. They do not determine gender.

That is funny of you to say, since gender really boils down to NOTHING but which haploid cells you produce.  Generally yes males have a penis/testicles/prostate while women have the uterus/vagina/ovaries/breasts and all that.  Medical science can't really change that quite yet.  Or I should say they can't make you produce the version or haploid cells you prefer quite yet.  Some day real gender re-assignment will be here, but we aren't there yet.

That said, I see absolutely no reason to treat a person differently because they "changed" genders.  Why should you treat a particular person a certain way because of their gender at all?  I would see any such sexist discrimination end... if it where my choice alone.
 
2013-06-13 07:11:06 AM  
Let's get this straight (no pun intended). The person in question is not a girl. He is a boy. Despite Winkler's insistence on using "she" and "her" to refer to Nicole Maines, the fact is that "Nicole" is a boy who "identifies as" - read, pretends to be - a girl. No matter how you slice it, the truth remains that he is a boy.

Well, it is good to know that the author of TFA is willing to so openly state the problem here. I'll admit that, as a left-leaning moderate, I have a hard time wrapping my brain around the whole 'self-identifying' as the opposite sex from your biological sex, but that doesn't mean that I am going to pretend that it doesn't exist.
 
2013-06-13 07:19:15 AM  

theknuckler_33: Let's get this straight (no pun intended). The person in question is not a girl. He is a boy. Despite Winkler's insistence on using "she" and "her" to refer to Nicole Maines, the fact is that "Nicole" is a boy who "identifies as" - read, pretends to be - a girl. No matter how you slice it, the truth remains that he is a boy.

Well, it is good to know that the author of TFA is willing to so openly state the problem here. I'll admit that, as a left-leaning moderate, I have a hard time wrapping my brain around the whole 'self-identifying' as the opposite sex from your biological sex, but that doesn't mean that I am going to pretend that it doesn't exist.


And it doesn't necessarily imply that there aren't doors in the bathrooms, or that he/she's a sexual predator, so like... who cares?
 
2013-06-13 07:23:54 AM  

PillsHere: I've had to go into the men's room before at a job (my boss made me change the air purifiers when they ran out) and all I can say is no - just no. The smell was ungodly bad and there never seemed to be soap in there.


No offense, but perhaps the reason there was no soap in there is because you didn't replace it. The USA is not a byo soap country when it comes to public restroom, usually...
 
2013-06-13 07:24:17 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: So, I'm guessing elevated glass toilets with an observation window underneath are asking for too much?


haha  I love the idea.  But I have that kinda fetish so I am all about joining the restrooms.  I'm sure some people don't want to know about that and would use me as an argument against unisex restrooms.  But how is that so different than today?  You don't think that there are some people of your own gender who might be homosexual and have that fetish too?  They exist.  Heck I do know of some heterosexual women who still have told me they enjoy watching other women poop so I guess the homosexual angle is moot.

Really just put up FULL stall doors and you don't have a problem of perverts - assuming that you care so very much what a person sees.  I am not into men at all, yet I don't exactly care if men see me naked any more than I would care that a woman did - that is to say not at all.  Oh noes they saw my "shame!"

Plus if you are so worried about people like me, what about people with foot fetishes?  On noes they can see your feet from under the stalls!  Or you could get over it.  Just putting that out there.

It is really silly to be so embarrassed about doing something that EVERY FARKING HUMAN ON THIS PLANET does.  Every animal for that matter, not just humans.  It is a basic biological need so why the hell are you ashamed?  Really now...  Probably because our foolish Judeo-Christian society has conditioned you as such.

Putting aside any perverted motivations, I support the idea of the unified aka non-discriminatory bathrooms because I do not support treating people different based off their gender any more than a reasonable person supports treating people different based off of their race etc.
 
2013-06-13 07:31:53 AM  

alienated: i am not going to read the thread, but, submitter, even if  you are a "friend" of mine- I wish you nothing less than the full time of the rest of your life in a pain amplifier. Also known as my shoes. And the min that approved this headline. I used to like this website,  but thanks for nothing, Drew- you found a way to make a cool place just a hangout for trolls. Too bad- you *had* something nice , mate.
Thanks for catering to the lowest common denominator of user. Idiot .


I recall you from previous threads.  In your case I think the doctors should have been more concerned with giving you a skin transplant rather than a new shiny set of genitals.  Your skin is so thin that I expect your liver is getting a tan as we speak.
 
2013-06-13 07:35:21 AM  
How dare you deny women the right to complain about pervy men trying to watch them pee!
 
2013-06-13 07:36:28 AM  

Heraclitus: How dare you deny women the right to complain about pervy men trying to watch them pee!


*sigh* Goddammit nobody is watching anybody pee.
 
2013-06-13 07:40:23 AM  

LasersHurt: Heraclitus: How dare you deny women the right to complain about pervy men trying to watch them pee!

*sigh* Goddammit nobody is watching anybody pee.


Then what are all those men doing standing at the urinals?
 
2013-06-13 07:41:54 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: Because keeping pervy men from watching women peeing is just a bad a racism

Ah, yes, the old "all men needed to be treated as criminals simply for being men" argument. Because there are no variations to this that could possibly make your argument even more retardedly stupid.


No, no, in context of TFA, it means that transgender men are pervs.

So, not all men, just the queer ones.
 
2013-06-13 07:42:21 AM  

theknuckler_33: LasersHurt: Heraclitus: How dare you deny women the right to complain about pervy men trying to watch them pee!

*sigh* Goddammit nobody is watching anybody pee.

Then what are all those men doing standing at the urinals?


Staring at the grout on the wall in front of them, or learning or reaffirming the names of Plumbing Fixture manufacturers. Not looking at each OTHER I assure you.
 
2013-06-13 07:53:20 AM  
Transgender issues aside, bathrooms should be unisex.

Cost: it's cheaper to build one bathroom rather than two.
Cleanliness: In my experience, any space where the genders are segregated is messier than where people have to share. I'm not sure of the underlying principle here, but monosex dorms where always a mess compared to co-ed.
Efficiency: When there are separate bathrooms, one can develop a line when there are perfectly good toilets available.
Decency: If we can't trust one another to not try and watch eachother pee, why bother having a civilization at all? Let the small minority of pervs with no internet connection try and sneak a peek. They'll be caught.

Can anyone thing of a good reason for separate bathrooms?
 
2013-06-13 08:03:24 AM  

OgreMagi: austerity101: OgreMagi: While I am not ready to accept that someone was "born the wrong gender", I do accept that they believe it.  However, to demand parents accept someone as female and intermingle with girls in a restroom despite having a penis is asking too much.  No, I don't really have a solution, other than as someone else suggested of using the staff restroom.

I'm not entirely sure why your, or the parents', opinions on the medical legitimacy of transgender people are in any way relevant here.  Maine has laws that protect people from discrimination on the basis of gender identity and expression; therefore, to say that it's asking too much is incorrect, as the state has already decided that it's in fact  not too much to ask.

A parents opinion matters because a boy in the girls restroom is normally considered an issue.  How that person views themselves doesn't matter when the physical reality trumps them.


I would just like to point out again, that it was the grandparents of a male student who filed a complaint, so by your standard there was no problem with this girl using the girls room.
 
2013-06-13 08:04:51 AM  

LasersHurt: theknuckler_33: LasersHurt: Heraclitus: How dare you deny women the right to complain about pervy men trying to watch them pee!

*sigh* Goddammit nobody is watching anybody pee.

Then what are all those men doing standing at the urinals?

Staring at the grout on the wall in front of them, or learning or reaffirming the names of Plumbing Fixture manufacturers. Not looking at each OTHER I assure you.


I was joking around, but I was referring to the fact that you often see men standing at urinals in public bathrooms. Yes, you aren't watching the flow emerge from their peen, but you certainly are 'watching them pee'. Or at least seeing or witnessing them pee (just to differentiate from 'watching' as in 'staring' to eliminate the creepiness factor).
 
2013-06-13 08:20:48 AM  
OK; this time I've really got it. We can still handle all of these cases with only two rooms, if we just redefine how they work. Instead of "men's" and "women's" rooms, we have the Rape Room (which anyone may use) and the Safe Space (which people who are not straight cisgendered males have the option to use).

Does this work? Do I have all the concerns mapped out this time?
 
2013-06-13 08:21:20 AM  

austerity101: OgreMagi: While I am not ready to accept that someone was "born the wrong gender", I do accept that they believe it.  However, to demand parents accept someone as female and intermingle with girls in a restroom despite having a penis is asking too much.  No, I don't really have a solution, other than as someone else suggested of using the staff restroom.

I'm not entirely sure why your, or the parents', opinions on the medical legitimacy of transgender people are in any way relevant here.  Maine has laws that protect people from discrimination on the basis of gender identity and expression; therefore, to say that it's asking too much is incorrect, as the state has already decided that it's in fact  not too much to ask.


And in what female restrooms does everyone sit out in the open and go to the bathroom?  Most public restrooms I am aware of have private stalls.  Again, I am with you on the whole changing/shower room situation, but, honestly, if someone was dressed up well enough of the opposite sex, unless you knew them personally, would you even know when they came and used your bathroom?
 
2013-06-13 08:30:11 AM  
I was just having this discussion last night with some female friends. I love public unisex bathrooms, because they're so much better tended than men's bathrooms. If they could get away with it, most men's rooms in businesses would consist of a light switch and a hole. The prospect of women using the bathroom insures that there will be a supply of toilet paper, soap, running water, et al.
 
2013-06-13 09:18:10 AM  

bk3k: That is funny of you to say, since gender really boils down to NOTHING but which haploid cells you produce.  Generally yes males have a penis/testicles/prostate while women have the uterus/vagina/ovaries/breasts and all that.  Medical science can't really change that quite yet.  Or I should say they can't make you produce the version or haploid cells you prefer quite yet.  Some day real gender re-assignment will be here, but we aren't there yet.


Except it doesn't, and your gross oversimplification of gender based on reproductive capacity is completely and utterly wrong.
 
2013-06-13 09:19:00 AM  
Uh, wow. Okay TVTRopes.

The above URL should be this.
 
2013-06-13 09:20:05 AM  
assets.rollingstone.com
"What? What did I do?  Should I have not done that?"
 
2013-06-13 09:30:13 AM  
Assuming men are pervs who will harass women is just as bad as assuming a dark skinned person is stupid or going to rob you.  I could care less about bathrooms but as a single father I'm tired of getting looked at like a perv if I even glance at a kid while I'm at the park with my daughter.

/maybe I should wear pants next time I go to the park
 
2013-06-13 10:19:31 AM  
So we have separate bathrooms to keep pervy men from watching women pee, what is keeping pervy gay men from watching other men pee?

Seems to me we should have 5 bathrooms everywhere so no one gets perved on.
 
2013-06-13 11:37:56 AM  

dinomyar: Seems to me we should have 5 bathrooms everywhere so no one gets perved on.


Too expensive. Better for one bathroom where everyone gets perved on.
 
2013-06-13 12:35:24 PM  
In (supposedly) ultra-liberal New York's (supposedly) ultra-liberal Hudson Valley this would never happen.
source: property and business owner there
 
2013-06-13 12:57:03 PM  

austerity101: Also, your preferences and inconveniences are noted, but all transgender people want is to be treated like the gender that they are, and I think that their desires are bit more profound than "men are gross and I don't want to share a bathroom with them." Your issues just end up sounding petty compared to theirs.


Pretty much.
 
2013-06-13 02:16:49 PM  

Biological Ali: austerity101: Also, your preferences and inconveniences are noted, but all transgender people want is to be treated like the gender that they are, and I think that their desires are bit more profound than "men are gross and I don't want to share a bathroom with them." Your issues just end up sounding petty compared to theirs.

Pretty much.


In almost all social situations, I agree.

When 99% of the people though expect to be openly naked in a room with only people of their own sex (not gender)... sorry, penises in one room, vagina's in the other.   If you are saying "that isn't fair", then, fine, but, we have to get to a "Starship Troopers Shower Scene" society then where everyone is obviously "cool" with unisex public showers.
 
2013-06-13 02:34:03 PM  
I don't care if chicks wanna see me "Slatering" in there.
 
2013-06-13 02:35:39 PM  

hardinparamedic: bk3k: That is funny of you to say, since gender really boils down to NOTHING but which haploid cells you produce.  Generally yes males have a penis/testicles/prostate while women have the uterus/vagina/ovaries/breasts and all that.  Medical science can't really change that quite yet.  Or I should say they can't make you produce the version or haploid cells you prefer quite yet.  Some day real gender re-assignment will be here, but we aren't there yet.

Except it doesn't, and your gross oversimplification of gender based on reproductive capacity is completely and utterly wrong.


LOL at your first link attempt.  But your second link tells us nothing new and does not change my opinion.  MRI scans have already shown that the brain of homosexual (not talking bisexual) males is wired much the same as the brain of a standard straight woman.  This does completely refute the idea that sexuality is a choice.  I'm not sure that it has been verified, but I expect a lesbian's scan would likewise show her much the same as a standard straight male.  So the idea that a transgender's scan would show the same thing is not surprising to me.

Consider that, and re-read what I posted(what I wrote right above where i quoted you).  See how that fits together?  I believe my theory accurately describes observations of the transsexual nature.  However you could change my mind with just a bit of scientific research.  If the brains are scanned with a large sampling size of the following control groups -

1.  Homosexual males who do not identify as transgender
Probably because our foolish society has conditioned you as such.
2.  Transgender people born as male after surgery and hormone replacement
3.  Transgender people born as male with hormone replacement but no surgery
4.  Transgender people born as male but no hormone replacement nor surgery yet
5.  Heterosexual women

So I would like to see a comparison of the them so that we may know if their is any significant wiring differences.  I would pay especially close attention to the "lizard area" of our brain since the most your interfacing of body/brain occurs there.

That said, I don't think the scans are going to show substantial difference between a transgender (born male) and a homosexual male.  There likely could be more difference(but probably not much) in the brains of transgendered individuals who have long been on hormone replacement therapy but that is speculation.  I also suspect that in those who have actually had the operation, you will see differences in the "lizard brain."

But I also hope that they could give the participants a detailed questionnaire of their life experiences.  I believe their may be differences in the ways their family and society have treated them.

All homosexuals are subject to hate, discrimination, scorn, etc.  But not all homosexuals receive this in equal measure.  The same is true for the amount of support, acceptance, and love they receive.  I suspect that the questionnaires would reveal in most transgendered people that they have had it especially hard.

One of the reasons I do not expect the scan will reveal much difference, is that while they report they believe the body they are born with "doesn't feel" like their bodies - well the brain really doesn't seem to work that way.  The brain is very adaptive and will incorporate any "hardware" that is plugged into it.  Something you where born with... how could it feel any other way?

Anything we hold will with only a little practice become "part of us."  Be that a steering wheel, a game controller, or the very keyboard I am using now.  I mean they have cameras developed that actually feels electric stimuli through the tongue (by directly shocking the tongue in a few hundred locations) to help blind people achieve some degree of vision.  The brain can't instantly process this but it actually picks it up quick despite the fact that this stimulus is not revived across the optic nerve.

Despite the fact that evolution could not have possibly lead the brain to process taste sensory inputs as vision - it works.  The brain adapts.  So I find it very difficult indeed to believe that there is a real physical cause to people feeling that a part of their body really isn't their body."  But you could change my mind.  An experiment done as I have described could put the matter to rest forever.  I would accept the results no matter if they fit what I currently believe or not.  Would you?

That said, I want to make something 100% clear.  I have no hatred nor ill-will towards the transgendered.  I believe they do lead lives harder than what most of us have.  But I do not believe the cause of being transgender is the same as what they may believe.  That does not make me a bad person.  I just believe my theory is more logical and thus more likely.  I do believe in science.  So if science can conclusively tell me I am wrong, that is OK.  I have no emotional attachment to my views as many do.
 
2013-06-13 02:37:58 PM  
^^^^^^^^^^
damnit Fark threw a piece of text where it did not belong and I did not catch it.  Please ignore the following line

"Probably because our foolish society has conditioned you as such. "
 
2013-06-13 03:45:31 PM  

ZeroCorpse: Why do we insist on having big rooms with toilets all close to each other, with nothing between them but tiny stalls


Won't somebody think of the gloryholes?
 
2013-06-13 05:56:46 PM  

revrendjim: I have been to concerts. Women use the men's room because the line is shorter. What's the problem?


Happened to me in Japan...had to take a piss while drinking at a bar and a couple of European broads walked right past while I had my wanker out at the urinal, saying something like "don't mind us, there is a line in the women's room."
 
2013-06-14 07:28:59 AM  

thamike: if you outlaw watching women pee, only outlaws will watch women pee.


The only way to stop a man from watching a woman pee in the bathroom, is another man watching HIM pee in the bathroom.
 
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