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2013-06-12 02:14:35 PM  
Complaint #1: Slideshow
Complaint #2: Backwards slideshow

WHY YOU MAKE ME GO BACKWARDS SUBBY? WHY?
 
2013-06-12 02:38:24 PM  
Petoria
 
2013-06-12 02:39:28 PM  

Walker: Complaint #1: Slideshow
Complaint #2: Backwards slideshow

WHY YOU MAKE ME GO BACKWARDS SUBBY? WHY?


Thanks for this, I thought it was me being an idiot...
 
2013-06-12 02:43:00 PM  
Why you link to last page?!
 
2013-06-12 02:43:15 PM  
Hong Kong is a great city. If he can afford to live there, then he should stay in Hong Kong.
 
2013-06-12 02:46:41 PM  

hugram: Hong Kong is a great city. If he can afford to live there, then he should stay in Hong Kong.


He's still not bulletproof.
 
2013-06-12 02:46:51 PM  
I think we need this in handy laminated wallet size.


There might be a time for a mass exodus out of the US at some time in the near future before they close the gates and lock us in.
 
2013-06-12 02:46:59 PM  

Walker: Complaint #1: Slideshow
Complaint #2: Backwards slideshow

WHY YOU MAKE ME GO BACKWARDS SUBBY? WHY?


Submitted page one and got rejected
submitted print page and got rejected...
submit page 5 and got reject, burnt down and sank into the swamp
but page six
 
2013-06-12 02:47:09 PM  
www.theblindcard.com

"RILLY?!? The U.S. even has an extradition treaty with TEXAS??"
 
2013-06-12 02:47:14 PM  
That was quite surprising. I was expecting a list of 6 crummy third-world countries. Surprised to see Britain, France and Hong Kong on the list.
 
2013-06-12 02:47:37 PM  
Technically Hong Kong has signed the extradition treaty which does allow it under a broadly based computer crimes provision
 
2013-06-12 02:49:16 PM  

Atomic Spunk: That was quite surprising. I was expecting a list of 6 crummy third-world countries. Surprised to see Britain, France and Hong Kong on the list.


and iceland.
 
2013-06-12 02:50:02 PM  
I need some more tropical places. Brazil still good?
 
2013-06-12 02:51:19 PM  
Iceland ftw.
Cool climate makes for hot chicks.
 
2013-06-12 02:54:50 PM  

SurelyShirley: Iceland ftw.
Cool climate makes for hot chicks.


Plus they do some really insane Jeep racing.
 
2013-06-12 02:55:45 PM  

SurelyShirley: Iceland ftw.
Cool climate makes for hot chicks.


They banned strip clubs. So no.
 
2013-06-12 02:56:26 PM  

groppet: I need some more tropical places. Brazil still good?


Venezuela and Cuba both refuse to extradite to the US.
 
2013-06-12 02:57:02 PM  

Lady Indica: SurelyShirley: Iceland ftw.
Cool climate makes for hot chicks.

They banned strip clubs. So no.


The beaches are still topless though.
 
2013-06-12 02:57:55 PM  
don't want to click csm.. are any of them not complete shiatholes?
 
2013-06-12 02:57:58 PM  

Atomic Spunk: That was quite surprising. I was expecting a list of 6 crummy third-world countries. Surprised to see Britain, France and Hong Kong on the list.


Pretty much anywhere you can make an appeal to the ECHR is a good bet: they're obsessed with the U.S. justice system being cruel and beastly to folk, and if you're facing a capital charge, extradition is a no-no too.
 
2013-06-12 02:58:47 PM  

drink_chai: I think we need this in handy laminated wallet size.


There might be a time for a mass exodus out of the US at some time in the near future before they close the gates and lock us in.



Run!  Go quickly!  The black helicopters are coming for you!  Ooga booga!
 
2013-06-12 02:59:39 PM  
hugram:
Hong Kong is a great city. If he can afford to live there, then he should stay in Hong Kong.

Ha.  This.  It's a great town if you got the cash. A stunning skyline on steroids with a totally 1st world environment.  Very efficiently run "city state".  Clean for a city in SE Asia (not as clean as Singapore though) with a transit system the envy of even its former Brit colonial masters (so I'm told by my British colleagues).

Half an hour to an hour by plane to the beaches of Thailand, Bali and Boracay.   So many other countries for sight-seeing if you are into East Asia.  You can rough it in the third world and then be back in the totally first world environment of Hong Kong.  Across the border into China which has so much to see on its own.

The shopping is like taking Ebay and half the US and dumping it into one town - if you are into certain things.  It's also possibly the most cosmopolitan place (although a bit snobby at times) I've ever been with 90% Chinese, but a very visible Brit/US/Aussie expat community and bar scene.  Also there a large SE Asian (plus Nepalese) working class.  If you dont want anything to do with other expats, you can deal more with the Cantonese.  If not, you can basically live there for decades and not learn more than 2 or 3 words of Chinese (although I think that's sort of lazy on your part).

On the negative side, both the Brits and some of the Cantonese are sort of snooty.  Rent is astronomical.  And the city is sort of trapped in a kind of 1980's yuppie "greed is good" mentality.  It's sort of funny to see, but it gets sort of tiresome.

Easily my favorite city in East Asia, possibly the world. Indeed, if he had to stay there for the rest of his life - that would hardly be a tough thing to do.
 
2013-06-12 03:00:32 PM  
www.futuregamez.net

"I'm from the future, stay in China."
/hot like a blunderbuss blast (try and say it 5 times, real fast)
 
2013-06-12 03:02:35 PM  
I would take, in order, Iceland, France, and Britain.  fark the rest of them.
 
2013-06-12 03:06:54 PM  
i43.tinypic.com
 
2013-06-12 03:08:43 PM  
France? Really?? I thought surrendering shiat was their specialty.
 
2013-06-12 03:09:18 PM  
I knew France b/c of Roman Polanski, and my mom used to tell me that if I ever needed to run from the cops and if she was dead, I should go to France immediately.
 
2013-06-12 03:09:44 PM  
The United States maintains diplomatic relations, but does not have extradition treaties with the following countries: Afghanistan, Algeria, Andorra, Angola, Armenia, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Brunei, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cambodia, Cameroon, Cape Verde, the Central African Republic, Chad, China (People's Republic of China), the Union of the Comoros, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Cote d' Ivoire, Djibouti, Equatorial Guinea, Ethiopia, Gabon, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Indonesia, Jordan, Kosovo, Kuwait, Laos, Lebanon, Libya, Madagascar, the Maldives, Mali, the Marshall Islands, Mauritania, the Federated States of Micronesia, Moldova, Mongolia, Montenegro, Mozambique, Myanmar, Namibia, Nepal, Niger, Oman, Qatar, the Russian Federation, Rwanda, Samoa, São Tomé & Príncipe, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Serbia, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Togo, Tunisia, Uganda, United Arab Emirates, Vanuatu, Vietnam, Yemen, and Zimbabwe.
 
2013-06-12 03:10:18 PM  
I've never been to Iceland, so I choose to believe the only thing people do there is hang out in geothermal pools listening to Bjork and Sigur Rós.

Personally, outside of climbing out for some food and sex every now and then, I would not mind spending the rest of my days relaxing in a geothermal pool listening to Bjork and Sigur Rós.
 
2013-06-12 03:13:52 PM  
So...Britain it is.  If Assburgers triggers asylum, this group is set.

Like many others, I'm surprised that it wasn't a list of shiatholes.  Well, France is in the list but the rest are decent.  It's not a canonical list, tho.  Iran's not on there, Cuba's missing.  There are quite a few African countries with no extradition treaties.
 
2013-06-12 03:22:05 PM  

Killer Cars: I've never been to Iceland, so I choose to believe the only thing people do there is hang out in geothermal pools listening to Bjork and Sigur Rós.

Personally, outside of climbing out for some food and sex every now and then, I would not mind spending the rest of my days relaxing in a geothermal pool listening to Bjork and Sigur Rós.


They also fish, smelt aluminum, and grow rhubarb. So you know, they've got that going for them.
 
2013-06-12 03:24:17 PM  
Please, Ireland, be on the list
 
2013-06-12 03:24:53 PM  
I'm a dual national -- USA and Iran. Being in Iran is like being behind 7 proxies. Of course, the downside is having to live in Iran.
 
2013-06-12 03:26:47 PM  

mcreadyblue: groppet: I need some more tropical places. Brazil still good?

Venezuela and Cuba both refuse to extradite to the US.


But I thought 3rd world shiateholes were out?  Have we changed the guidelines on espionage, again?  I have to start going to meetings more often.
 
2013-06-12 03:33:29 PM  

Cheron: Walker: Complaint #1: Slideshow
Complaint #2: Backwards slideshow

WHY YOU MAKE ME GO BACKWARDS SUBBY? WHY?

Submitted page one and got rejected
submitted print page and got rejected...
submit page 5 and got reject, burnt down and sank into the swamp
but page six


But, see, that isn't a list of countries an American can go to, to avoid extradition.  It's a list that Snowden, in his unique circumstances, can go.  Half of them are listed because a politician in that country specifically said they should give asylum to Snowden (and even then, a shout out by a member of Parliament is hardly a guarantee of safety).
 
2013-06-12 03:35:02 PM  
What is sad is that the USA has become the kind of country one needs to seek political asylum from.

I remember when people used to come HERE to escape torture, abuse, secret courts and political prison. Now we have our own.
 
2013-06-12 03:35:19 PM  

cannotsuggestaname: The United States maintains diplomatic relations, but does not have extradition treaties with the following countries: Afghanistan, Algeria, Andorra, Angola, Armenia, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Brunei, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cambodia, Cameroon, Cape Verde, the Central African Republic, Chad, China (People's Republic of China), the Union of the Comoros, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Cote d' Ivoire, Djibouti, Equatorial Guinea, Ethiopia, Gabon, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Indonesia, Jordan, Kosovo, Kuwait, Laos, Lebanon, Libya, Madagascar, the Maldives, Mali, the Marshall Islands, Mauritania, the Federated States of Micronesia, Moldova, Mongolia, Montenegro, Mozambique, Myanmar, Namibia, Nepal, Niger, Oman, Qatar, the Russian Federation, Rwanda, Samoa, São Tomé & Príncipe, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Serbia, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Togo, Tunisia, Uganda, United Arab Emirates, Vanuatu, Vietnam, Yemen, and Zimbabwe.


Is It odd that I read that list in Yakko Warner's voice sung to the tune of the "Mexican hat dance song"?
 
2013-06-12 03:44:16 PM  
I don't know there was a lot of "might be able to"s and "could grant asylum" in there for my tastes. Not to mention just because you aren't being extradited doesn't mean you can't be snatched up by SEALs or something. What's Iceland going to do if they kidnap you Batman style? France? Anyone really...cry about it for a week or so then forget you.

Besides any place works if you got money. If you don't have the money you're boned no matter where you try to hide.
 
2013-06-12 03:44:42 PM  
I'm wondering if the U.S. government is going to back off the hunt for Snowden. They don't really need him, it's not like he has crucial information that they need to pry out of him, it's strictly for punishment. And the more the U.S. government goes after him to punish him, the higher the chance Snowden will end up in a country that's an enemy of the U.S. and give up intelligence information to them, because the countries least likely to hand him over to the US are the ones most likely to be our enemies and be glad to get info from him.

In one scenario, the U.S. would pardon him and allow him to return home, just to stop the risk of him turning into a spy for another country. They probably won't want to do that though, as it will look like they're weak on enforcing the law. The next best thing is just to let him stay in Hong Kong. Publicly, they'll pretend like they really want to extradite him back here for punishment, but really as long as he's just hanging out in Hong Kong and not giving secrets to the Russians, they'll probably be fine with that.
 
2013-06-12 03:45:50 PM  

groppet: I need some more tropical places. Brazil still good?


Only if you knock someone up or get knocked up by a local (depending on your equipment).  If you don't have a kid, they may actually process the paperwork
 
2013-06-12 03:49:01 PM  
Well that's nice for him.  But what if  someone wanted to, oh, let's say knock off a bank.  Just one big heist.  Well planned and thought out and made sure to get enough money to invest it wisely and live comfortably for the rest of their lives without having to work.   Where could someone like that go? Hypothetically of course.  Oh come on, I know you've thought about it.
 
2013-06-12 03:52:21 PM  

justoneznot: I'm wondering if the U.S. government is going to back off the hunt for Snowden. They don't really need him, it's not like he has crucial information that they need to pry out of him, it's strictly for punishment. And the more the U.S. government goes after him to punish him, the higher the chance Snowden will end up in a country that's an enemy of the U.S. and give up intelligence information to them, because the countries least likely to hand him over to the US are the ones most likely to be our enemies and be glad to get info from him.

In one scenario, the U.S. would pardon him and allow him to return home, just to stop the risk of him turning into a spy for another country. They probably won't want to do that though, as it will look like they're weak on enforcing the law. The next best thing is just to let him stay in Hong Kong. Publicly, they'll pretend like they really want to extradite him back here for punishment, but really as long as he's just hanging out in Hong Kong and not giving secrets to the Russians, they'll probably be fine with that.


You didn't hear?  He donated his lungs to the little girl that went straight to the top of the adult donor's list.  Two birds, one stone.
 
2013-06-12 03:57:46 PM  
If there's a chance of getting the death penalty Mexico won't extradite.
 
2013-06-12 03:58:08 PM  
I've always thought that the best way to get out some horrific dilemma, that might lead to jail, was to join the French Foreign Legion.
 
2013-06-12 03:58:51 PM  
Sounds like he may have done a little homework since he ended up on one of the 6 on the list.

Britain and France have their own peculiarities but a 50% return rate (Britain) isn't great odds, plus the US govt can offer all kinds of treats (intel, etc.) or threats (withheld intel) under the table to shift things in its favor.

Russia is a terrible bet because sure they are willing to do darn near anything to snub the U.S. but they'll also hang the threat of extradition over his head forever to force him to commit ACTUAL treason, not the public service he performed.  Plus language.

Ecuador sucks because where's he going to work and language.
Iceland could be bullied and is a bad bet.

Hong Kong does extradite to the U.S., but as we've seen many others do too.  They speak English, and high-tech skills are valued.  There's a worry that China will try to pump him for information, but they can probably get it other ways directly.  Plus it's a bit of a threat-back to the U.S.  "push me too far and I might just decide to spill my guts".
 
2013-06-12 04:05:15 PM  

Dr. Goldshnoz: don't want to click csm.. are any of them not complete shiatholes?


why would you not click on a CSM article?
 
2013-06-12 04:07:04 PM  

SirEattonHogg: Ha. This. It's a great town if you got the cash. A stunning skyline on steroids with a totally 1st world environment. Very efficiently run "city state". Clean for a city in SE Asia (not as clean as Singapore though) with a transit system the envy of even its former Brit colonial masters (so I'm told by my British colleagues)....Easily my favorite city in East Asia, possibly the world. Indeed, if he had to stay there for the rest of his life - that would hardly be a tough thing to do.


My impression of it was that it made Manhattan seem a little backwards and bland. The tropical setting certainly didn't hurt, and neither did the ready supply of Australian bombshells all over the beaches.
 
2013-06-12 04:32:18 PM  
The Conch Republic. We accept anyone, no questions asked.
 
2013-06-12 04:33:09 PM  
www.siyumhaseinfeld.com

"You most likely know it as Myanmar, but it will always be Burma to me."
 
2013-06-12 04:39:06 PM  

SurelyShirley: Iceland ftw.
Cool climate makes for hot chicks.


True, but...


i1.kym-cdn.com
 
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