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2013-06-12 11:45:29 AM
so far, so good. he'll get a show out of this, i'm guessing.
 
2013-06-12 12:02:15 PM
You see, gun nuts? This is what we're talking about.
 
2013-06-12 03:06:39 PM

cameroncrazy1984: You see, gun nuts? This is what we're talking about.


Laughable strawmen? Ok then.
 
2013-06-12 03:24:52 PM

FlashHarry: so far, so good. he'll get a show out of this, i'm guessing.


I saw this as his audition for Jon's spot. Not that I want Jon to retire, but he has been doing it for 12 years, and he might want to hand it off. If they get another Colbert Report-esque spinoff, wonderful, but I'm not sure that's what Comedy Central wants.
 
2013-06-12 03:32:11 PM
I don't know why everyone is acting like Stewart wrote any of his own material. The team of writers has not changed. Anyone could have taken over the spot.

Can you read a teleprompter? Congratulations. You can host The Daily Show.
 
2013-06-12 03:36:41 PM

Solty Dog: I don't know why everyone is acting like Stewart wrote any of his own material. The team of writers has not changed. Anyone could have taken over the spot.

Can you read a teleprompter? Congratulations. You can host The Daily Show.


Yeah but Stewart has great delivery and the best facial expressions. Reading off a teleprompter just isn't good enough. You gotta have character.
 
2013-06-12 03:39:49 PM

TerminalEchoes: Solty Dog: I don't know why everyone is acting like Stewart wrote any of his own material. The team of writers has not changed. Anyone could have taken over the spot.

Can you read a teleprompter? Congratulations. You can host The Daily Show.

Yeah but Stewart has great delivery and the best facial expressions. Reading off a teleprompter just isn't good enough. You gotta have character.


Yeah, I thought that was pretty obvious.
 
2013-06-12 03:40:21 PM

TerminalEchoes: You gotta have character.


British is a character.

Unless you can explain why Top Gear, Doctor Who, Sherlock, and Downton Abbey are things.
 
2013-06-12 03:51:11 PM

Solty Dog: I don't know why everyone is acting like Stewart wrote any of his own material. The team of writers has not changed. Anyone could have taken over the spot.

Can you read a teleprompter? Congratulations. You can host The Daily Show.


I am pretty sure that Jon Stewart does a lot writing for the daily show.
 
2013-06-12 03:52:28 PM
I'm enjoying him so far, and sometimes I think I heard the audience clearly not get a joke, hesitate, and laugh anyway to make him feel better. Which is nice, it shows the audience is rooting for him. That or a big sign saying "LAUGH" flashed up slightly late. But like was already said, the material will remain the same, it's just the delivery that's changed, with a few jokes about Englishisms and Americanisms made easy

The interview with Armando Iannucci was great. Not how it would have unfolded with Jon Stewart there. However Jon Stewart is great too, so it might have been even better.
 
2013-06-12 03:53:08 PM
@kcimc "Can we replace the right to bear arms with the right to leak documents? i think fighting oppression works differently now."
 
2013-06-12 04:24:28 PM

cameroncrazy1984: You see, gun nuts? This is what we're talking about.


I support the 2nd amendment, and I am against warrantless tracking of phone calls. That's pretty consistent, since my view also supports the 4th amendment.

I can't speak to the issue of leaks, as I currently hold a clearance. I don't believe there should be any protection of government wrong-doing, and exposure of such, in context, should not be illegal. Thankfully, I am not aware of any such wrong-doing as it relates to my job, so I face no moral dilemmas where that is concerned.

While the routine John Oliver did was amusing, it ignores the Democrats who support the Prism program. Hypocrisy is not limited to a single political party (and using RINOs also dilutes the whole bit anyway)

I'm also not a "gun nut" owning exactly one firearm, a hunting rifle, which is currently stored in a gun safe... at my Mom and Dad's house 35 miles away.
 
2013-06-12 04:36:56 PM

CatfoodSpork: Solty Dog: I don't know why everyone is acting like Stewart wrote any of his own material. The team of writers has not changed. Anyone could have taken over the spot.

Can you read a teleprompter? Congratulations. You can host The Daily Show.

I am pretty sure that Jon Stewart does a lot writing for the daily show.


and works with the writers and has much input on what appears on the show. If Stewart doesn't like a joke he can just not say it.

We don't yet know how powerful Oliver is in his expanded role.
 
2013-06-12 04:37:10 PM
Sorry to burst your bubble. I've been to the Daily Show tapings quite a bit, usually behind the screen that shows what the teleprompter is showing Jon. He pretty much ad libs about 30% of that show.
Not that it matters, since you clearly have your own agenda.
 
2013-06-12 04:41:43 PM
I don't get it. Right to privacy and right to bear arms are both constitutional rights. We're equally outraged when either are trampled upon. What does one have to do with the other?
 
2013-06-12 05:06:24 PM

bulok: I don't get it. Right to privacy and right to bear arms are both constitutional rights. We're equally outraged when either are trampled upon. What does one have to do with the other?


John Oliver got Michael Moore-style mileage out of people Like Jon McCain and Lindsay Graham for defending breach of the 4th amendment with the illegal tracking of phone calls while championing the 2nd amendment.

You could probably get similar mileage out of people attacking the 2nd amendment, while defending the 4th against Prism.

Of course, he also got mileage out of attacking Rand Paul for correctly defending both amendments, because, his name is "Rand" and he makes ill-thought out comments that are probably taken out of context.

I really wish one of the major political parties had the balls to actually act in the public interest for a change.
 
2013-06-12 05:39:09 PM
I didn't watch it, I'm not going to, but I'll infer from the title at the link that his argument goes something like this...

Conservatives are experiencing cognitive dissonance because they want to keep their guns and don't want to be subject to unlawful searches?

To simplify, conservatives are stupid because they want to keep their rights granted in the 2nd and 4th amendments to the US Constitution?

Yeah...sure...somebody's a dumbass, but it ain't the folks trying to hold on to their ever dwindling rights.
 
2013-06-12 05:44:48 PM

agsfark: I didn't watch it, I'm not going to, but I'll infer from the title at the link that his argument goes something like this...

Conservatives are experiencing cognitive dissonance because they want to keep their guns and don't want to be subject to unlawful searches?

To simplify, conservatives are stupid because they want to keep their rights granted in the 2nd and 4th amendments to the US Constitution?

Yeah...sure...somebody's a dumbass, but it ain't the folks trying to hold on to their ever dwindling rights.


Actually, he found a couple of RINOs willing to toe the administration's line and accept warrantless phone tracking.

I'm pretty sure the conservative pundits are not happy with McCain and Graham's stand on the Prism issue, but it doesn't stop some from gleefully pointing out the "hypocrisy" of the entire party based on two inconsistent politicians.
 
2013-06-12 05:57:47 PM

Shryke: cameroncrazy1984: You see, gun nuts? This is what we're talking about.

Laughable strawmen? Ok then.


An actual congressman is a strawman?
 
2013-06-12 06:02:31 PM

agsfark: I didn't watch it, I'm not going to, but I'll infer from the title at the link that his argument goes something like this...

Conservatives are experiencing cognitive dissonance because they want to keep their guns and don't want to be subject to unlawful searches?

To simplify, conservatives are stupid because they want to keep their rights granted in the 2nd and 4th amendments to the US Constitution?

Yeah...sure...somebody's a dumbass, but it ain't the folks trying to hold on to their ever dwindling rights.



I didn't read your post, I'm not going to, but I'll infer from your handle, and your grammar, that it's a well thought out argument which debases all other opinions.
 
2013-06-12 06:40:42 PM
You know there's a reason the rest of the world is indifferent to your first world problems.  Its because of American-only video links.
 
2013-06-12 07:08:35 PM
If you go to the Daily Show website directly, you can avoid that festering shiatpile known as Hulu and their ads.
 
2013-06-12 07:09:57 PM

LesserEvil: agsfark: I didn't watch it, I'm not going to, but I'll infer from the title at the link that his argument goes something like this...

Conservatives are experiencing cognitive dissonance because they want to keep their guns and don't want to be subject to unlawful searches?

To simplify, conservatives are stupid because they want to keep their rights granted in the 2nd and 4th amendments to the US Constitution?

Yeah...sure...somebody's a dumbass, but it ain't the folks trying to hold on to their ever dwindling rights.

Actually, he found a couple of RINOs willing to toe the administration's line and accept warrantless phone tracking.

I'm pretty sure the conservative pundits are not happy with McCain and Graham's stand on the Prism issue, but it doesn't stop some from gleefully pointing out the "hypocrisy" of the entire party based on two inconsistent politicians.


and Mitch McConnell, Karl Rove, John Boehner, Mike Rogers, Reince Preibus, Jeff Flake, Richard Shelby, etc
 
2013-06-12 07:19:52 PM

CatfoodSpork: Solty Dog: I don't know why everyone is acting like Stewart wrote any of his own material. The team of writers has not changed. Anyone could have taken over the spot.

Can you read a teleprompter? Congratulations. You can host The Daily Show.

I am pretty sure that Jon Stewart does a lot writing for the daily show.



Where Jon excels are the interviews. He has writers and the correspondents help with most of the rest of the show, but the interviews are completely his. The celebrity ones are fluff, but its the political ones where Jon earns his reputation as a lethal interviewer. He reads the whole book, he prepares his questions, and he really does his homework, especially if it's someone contentious or controversial.

I want to see how Oliver handles a heavy political interview before I cast judgment.
 
2013-06-12 07:20:11 PM

Solty Dog: I don't know why everyone is acting like Stewart wrote any of his own material. The team of writers has not changed. Anyone could have taken over the spot.

Can you read a teleprompter? Congratulations. You can host The Daily Show.




No one cares that you failed as a talking head.
 
2013-06-12 07:21:51 PM

Danack: @kcimc "Can we replace the right to bear arms with the right to leak documents? i think fighting oppression works differently now."




Print that comment and frame it.

Wait 10 years.

Prophet.
 
2013-06-12 07:23:14 PM

LesserEvil: cameroncrazy1984: You see, gun nuts? This is what we're talking about.

I support the 2nd amendment, and I am against warrantless tracking of phone calls. That's pretty consistent, since my view also supports the 4th amendment.

I can't speak to the issue of leaks, as I currently hold a clearance. I don't believe there should be any protection of government wrong-doing, and exposure of such, in context, should not be illegal. Thankfully, I am not aware of any such wrong-doing as it relates to my job, so I face no moral dilemmas where that is concerned.

While the routine John Oliver did was amusing, it ignores the Democrats who support the Prism program. Hypocrisy is not limited to a single political party (and using RINOs also dilutes the whole bit anyway)

I'm also not a "gun nut" owning exactly one firearm, a hunting rifle, which is currently stored in a gun safe... at my Mom and Dad's house 35 miles away.




That sounds irresponsible.
 
2013-06-12 07:55:11 PM

Shryke: cameroncrazy1984: You see, gun nuts? This is what we're talking about.

Laughable strawmen? Ok then.


Every time someone misuses the term 'strawman', an angel loses its wings. So please stop using that term if you don't know what it means.

/strawman doesn't mean 'an opinion that I dislike'
 
2013-06-12 07:59:06 PM

Shryke: cameroncrazy1984: You see, gun nuts? This is what we're talking about.

Laughable strawmen? Ok then.


Could you point out the strawman for me?  I can't seem to find it.  Just so you're aware, that's not some kind of incantation you can recite to invalidate any argument whose conclusion you don't agree with.
 
2013-06-12 09:03:53 PM

Rezurok: Shryke: cameroncrazy1984: You see, gun nuts? This is what we're talking about.

Laughable strawmen? Ok then.

Could you point out the strawman for me?  I can't seem to find it.  Just so you're aware, that's not some kind of incantation you can recite to invalidate any argument whose conclusion you don't agree with.




Actually, I think that politician is made of straw.
 
2013-06-12 09:43:38 PM
I'm happy they let Oliver host it. I've wondered why they couldn't have a stand-in on some of the short hiatuses they've taken before if it's not just a break but jon was unavailable. Colbert and Carrell's shows weren't horrible.
 
2013-06-12 10:06:26 PM
I guess being completely wrong in your rationale for attacking Rand Paul is what was funny there right?
 
2013-06-12 10:48:41 PM
I loved the part about banning farming whistleblowers.

I especially loved the cow-sized woman defending that bullshiat, particularly when many videos tend to come from LARGE farming interests. Generally, that's because small, hands-on farmers actually give a slight sh*t about their animals.
 
2013-06-12 11:08:39 PM
That reminds me, I have to start watching Veep again.
 
2013-06-12 11:37:31 PM

Ishkur: Where Jon excels are the interviews. He has writers and the correspondents help with most of the rest of the show, but the interviews are completely his. The celebrity ones are fluff, but its the political ones where Jon earns his reputation as a lethal interviewer. He reads the whole book, he prepares his questions, and he really does his homework, especially if it's someone contentious or controversial.


There were a handful of potentially important interviews where I ended up wanting to bang my head against the wall because Jon had clearly not done his homework.  (Example: the Blackwater interview)  Took about six months before TDS covered the story in any meaningful way.

To be fair though, he doesn't drop the ball like that very often.
 
2013-06-12 11:57:42 PM

Outlaw2097: TerminalEchoes: You gotta have character.

British is a character.

Unless you can explain why Top Gear, Doctor Who, Sherlock, and Downton Abbey are things.


No, I meant that Stewart's job isn't as easy as just reading off a teleprompter. If you don't have timing and delivery, you're going to suck. John Oliver is going to do fine.
 
2013-06-13 01:15:57 AM

penthesilea: Ishkur: Where Jon excels are the interviews. He has writers and the correspondents help with most of the rest of the show, but the interviews are completely his. The celebrity ones are fluff, but its the political ones where Jon earns his reputation as a lethal interviewer. He reads the whole book, he prepares his questions, and he really does his homework, especially if it's someone contentious or controversial.

There were a handful of potentially important interviews where I ended up wanting to bang my head against the wall because Jon had clearly not done his homework.  (Example: the Blackwater interview)  Took about six months before TDS covered the story in any meaningful way.

To be fair though, he doesn't drop the ball like that very often.


Also, he was not at all prepared for the sheer volume of lies that David Barton could spout with seemingly absolute conviction.
 
2013-06-13 01:28:20 AM

penthesilea: To be fair though, he doesn't drop the ball like that very often.


Jon hit his zenith as an interviewer with the Jim Cramer piece. By that point he had garnered a reputation as a fierce and aggressive assailant, completely eviscerating a number of Republicans and Republican shills on the show (and even off the show, cf. Tucker Carlson), and he absolutely nailed Cramer to the wall. It was so devastating that no one from the right-side of the the political aisle wanted to come onto his show anymore and it's likely that the producers told him to tone down his rhetoric if he wanted to keep inviting right-wing guests (even if they deserve all the ire).

So ever since then he has gotten soft, irreverent, and doesn't go for the throat anymore. And the number of political guests has gone down significantly, whereas before it was 3/4 were politicos or journalists hawking a book, now it's less than 1/4. More celebrities and Hollywood junk now.

Evidently people with huge egos don't like it when their bullshiat is pointed out to them on live television. Who knew.
 
2013-06-13 04:04:55 AM
IMHO John Oliver is a lot funnier, and more interesting than John Stewart, and I have been watching the Daily show every Mon-Thurs for years. But I still prefer Colbert.
 
2013-06-13 04:24:05 AM
Has it been ripped to youtube yet?
 
2013-06-13 06:33:23 AM
I think Oliver still needs a week to get used to the audience reacting to the jokes. A lot of times he starts a line, gets interrupted because the audience is applauding or laughing at the last joke, then awkwardly restarts the line completely when it does down. Stewart does this too on occasion, but after years of it he's more experienced with - usually, though, he'll start back from where he was interrupted rather than from the start of the line.

Also would like to see more actual Oliver, because right now it feels he's just trying to imitate Stewart Don't know how much of that aspect is actually real versus just what I'm projecting.
 
2013-06-13 06:57:39 AM

bulok: I don't get it. Right to privacy and right to bear arms are both constitutional rights. We're equally outraged when either are trampled upon. What does one have to do with the other?


See, they found one R senator who said one thing that appeared to conflict with what he said 4 months ago on a different issue.

For the record, and not defending him because he was still wrong, Graham said what he said BEFORE the prism story broke, and only said he does not care if the government has his phone number.

But hey, if you are going to try and paint the "other side" as for something that "your side" chose to do in order to play politics, you have to be underhanded and get all lie-ey
 
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