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(STLToday)   DEA disagrees with drug firm's claim that its version of pseudophedrine cannot be turned into meth, telling the firm that they CLEARLY have underestimated the ingenuity of tweakers desperate for a fix   (stltoday.com) divider line 69
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2013-06-12 11:42:41 AM
Distinctly different story in the St. Louis Business Journal:


The Drug Enforcement Administration has asked Maryland Heights-based Westport Pharmaceuticals to cease using an advertising slogan that implies its pseudoephedrine product cannot be used to make meth.

In a May 6 letter to the company, the DEA states its chemists were able to produce methamphetamine using Westport's Zephrex-D product, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports. Westport uses the slogan "Powerful congestion relief. Powerful crime protection," to tout Zephrex-D, which it claims is "tamper resistant."

Paul Hemings, vice president at Westport, told the newspaper that the DEA's letter came as an "absolute shock," insisting that only small amounts of meth can be extracted from Zephrex-D by using sophisticated equipment.
 
2013-06-12 12:25:42 PM
Funny thing about junkies...they have the will to find a way. I'd love to see someone  develop a highly addictive drug that will ONLY work if large quantities are shoved up your ass. Hilarity would ensue.
 
2013-06-12 01:03:54 PM
Who needs pseudo anyway?  Amateurs.
 
2013-06-12 01:06:34 PM
Legalize all drugs - problem solved
/ok fine, NOT PCP. get away from me already. And probably NOT GHB, but I could really use some right not.
 
2013-06-12 01:10:26 PM
What I don't understand is that there is this push to restrict artificial sources of this basic chemical when plant sources are growing wild across the southwest.
www.vagabondjourney.com
(The other half of the equation is something akin to rocket fuel)
 
2013-06-12 01:11:56 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Funny thing about junkies...they have the will to find a way. I'd love to see someone  develop a highly addictive drug that will ONLY work if large quantities are shoved up your ass. Hilarity would ensue.



Then you have to pray it doesn't end up in the worst toilet in Scotland.
 
2013-06-12 01:12:59 PM
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait... DEA chemists are making meth, too?

I can already see the FoxNews headline: "Obamacare Funded by Obama Secret Drug Labs"
 
2013-06-12 01:33:32 PM
Well, if anyone can do it...
blogs.amctv.com
 
2013-06-12 01:34:33 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: What I don't understand is that there is this push to restrict artificial sources of this basic chemical when plant sources are growing wild across the southwest.
[www.vagabondjourney.com image 600x400]
(The other half of the equation is something akin to rocket fuel)


how hard is it to process the chem from the plant in a cheap backyard lab.
that is always the concern
 
2013-06-12 01:41:43 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Distinctly different story in the St. Louis Business Journal:


The Drug Enforcement Administration has asked Maryland Heights-based Westport Pharmaceuticals to cease using an advertising slogan that implies its pseudoephedrine product cannot be used to make meth.

In a May 6 letter to the company, the DEA states its chemists were able to produce methamphetamine using Westport's Zephrex-D product, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports. Westport uses the slogan "Powerful congestion relief. Powerful crime protection," to tout Zephrex-D, which it claims is "tamper resistant."

Paul Hemings, vice president at Westport, told the newspaper that the DEA's letter came as an "absolute shock," insisting that only small amounts of meth can be extracted from Zephrex-D by using sophisticated equipment.


The awesome part of this story is that somewhere, the DEA has a state-of-the-art lab and is instructing its scientists to come up with inventive ways to create meth. Now that's a job you don't hear about every day.
 
2013-06-12 01:46:19 PM

un4gvn666: BarkingUnicorn: Distinctly different story in the St. Louis Business Journal:


The Drug Enforcement Administration has asked Maryland Heights-based Westport Pharmaceuticals to cease using an advertising slogan that implies its pseudoephedrine product cannot be used to make meth.

In a May 6 letter to the company, the DEA states its chemists were able to produce methamphetamine using Westport's Zephrex-D product, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports. Westport uses the slogan "Powerful congestion relief. Powerful crime protection," to tout Zephrex-D, which it claims is "tamper resistant."

Paul Hemings, vice president at Westport, told the newspaper that the DEA's letter came as an "absolute shock," insisting that only small amounts of meth can be extracted from Zephrex-D by using sophisticated equipment.

The awesome part of this story is that somewhere, the DEA has a state-of-the-art lab and is instructing its scientists to come up with inventive ways to create meth. Now that's a job you don't hear about every day.


Who do you think is supplying the majority of the meth out thee?  The DEA has a vested interest in keeping the drug war alive and well
 
2013-06-12 01:49:53 PM
Meanwhile, to get a 12-pack of Sudafed, I need to wait 30 minutes in the Pharmacy line, get my driver's license scanned into some Federal database, sign an affadavit stating I'm using the medication legally, and submit a DNA sample before they hand me the package.
 
2013-06-12 01:50:47 PM

show me: Well, if anyone can do it...
[blogs.amctv.com image 560x330]


Did you see the Australian version of breaking bad?  The lead got cancer and medicaid paid for it the end.

/boring a shiate
 
2013-06-12 01:58:16 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Funny thing about junkies...they have the will to find a way. I'd love to see someone  develop a highly addictive drug that will ONLY work if large quantities are shoved up your ass. Hilarity would ensue.


I know that there is something about crack that turns people into engineering geniuses. I'm serious, if there is money for crack involved crackheads can rig up anything and fix almost anything. It's uncanny.
 
2013-06-12 01:58:18 PM
SCIENCE, B*TCH
 
2013-06-12 02:00:43 PM
Those damn blue collar tweakers.
 
2013-06-12 02:06:16 PM

CptnSpldng: Those damn blue collar tweakers.


+1, you magnificent bastardo. Fish on.
 
2013-06-12 02:06:43 PM
Seeing as how tweekers came up with the "one pot" synthesis method for making meth, I think they wouldn't have to much trouble figuring out how this new product into meth.

That said I think this whole thing is a joke, just legalize it and tax the hell out of it (no so much to make a black market again) and use the fund for treatment and education.

/But then who will make our license plates?
 
2013-06-12 02:08:34 PM
That claim is probably bad for sales anyway.

/I figure if it gunks up the reactions to extract and manufacture meth, no telling what it gunks up in your body.
//mold spore and grass pollen are damn high today
///or so my sinuses tell me
////don't want to go buy sudafed because it's a pain in the ass
 
2013-06-12 02:11:58 PM

valkore: Meanwhile, to get a 12-pack of Sudafed, I need to wait 30 minutes in the Pharmacy line, get my driver's license scanned into some Federal database, sign an affadavit stating I'm using the medication legally, and submit a DNA sample before they hand me the package.


Yet they will fill your Oxycodone scrip with no questions or ID.
 
2013-06-12 02:17:43 PM
Clearly we need more laws making it even more illegal to use drugs. That'll stop them.

/we have always been at war with drugs
 
2013-06-12 02:24:13 PM

valkore: Meanwhile, to get a 12-pack of Sudafed, I need to wait 30 minutes in the Pharmacy line, get my driver's license scanned into some Federal database, sign an affadavit stating I'm using the medication legally, and submit a DNA sample before they hand me the package.


But....you want a gun? You can get one, no questions asked.
 
2013-06-12 02:27:17 PM

Reverend J: Seeing as how tweekers came up with the "one pot" synthesis method for making meth, I think they wouldn't have to much trouble figuring out how this new product into meth.



Might have to wait until the history books are written to know this for sure, but it's possible it's just one tweaker in Wisconsin. I read about him a few years ago -- talented chemist, graduated from Marquette sometime in the 70s, singlehandedly developed all the recipes that methamphetamine makers used from the 80s or 90s or whenever it started up to the time the article was written. As of that date he was probably slightly underemployed given his talents, working in the QC department at a metal plating place in Green Bay.

I thought it was remarkable that one single man was apparently responsible for creating a nationwide criminal/public health issue just by inventing techniques and disseminating the information.
 
2013-06-12 02:30:11 PM

valkore: Meanwhile, to get a 12-pack of Sudafed, I need to wait 30 minutes in the Pharmacy line, get my driver's license scanned into some Federal database, sign an affadavit stating I'm using the medication legally, and submit a DNA sample before they hand me the package.


That's probably the most efficient way to convert this product into meth:

1) Steal a bunch of this product
2) Sell it to allergics desperate for decongestant
3) Use proceeds to buy meth
 
2013-06-12 02:56:21 PM
This just in:  The DEA is making Meth.
 
2013-06-12 03:03:19 PM

JolobinSmokin: show me: Well, if anyone can do it...
[blogs.amctv.com image 560x330]

Did you see the Australian version of breaking bad?  The lead got cancer and medicaid paid for it the end.

/boring a shiate


When did Australia join Medicade?
 
2013-06-12 03:03:43 PM
And tweakers using cold meds to get high is my problem... why, exactly?
 
2013-06-12 03:25:13 PM

MrEricSir: And tweakers using cold meds to get high is my problem... why, exactly?


It's not a problem until they start breaking into your house to get more cash, or destroy a block of houses when their lab explodes. Other than that, totally victimless crime. Aside from the person who unknowingly got caught in a chemical feedback loop altering their body chemistry and creating an unnatural and insatiable desire for meth.
 
2013-06-12 03:30:49 PM

MrEricSir: And tweakers using cold meds to get high is my problem... why, exactly?


Is your air conditioner running?  That means the meth heads haven't found it yet.
 
2013-06-12 03:33:41 PM

Lost Thought 00: MrEricSir: And tweakers using cold meds to get high is my problem... why, exactly?

It's not a problem until they start breaking into your house to get more cash, or destroy a block of houses when their lab explodes. Other than that, totally victimless crime. Aside from the person who unknowingly got caught in a chemical feedback loop altering their body chemistry and creating an unnatural and insatiable desire for meth.


So by that reasoning (to use the term loosely) I guess it's not only my fault for having my house broken into, but I guess I shouldn't leave cash, computers, or a stereo at home either.
 
2013-06-12 03:40:20 PM
Yeah, those copper fairies are innovative. When I worked for Verizon, we'd lose a couple towers a month in our area, the tweakers would scale the fence, kill the power, and rip the bus bars out of the cable runs. These things are two feet long, a few inches wide, and pure copper.
 
2013-06-12 03:51:32 PM

phaseolus: Reverend J: Seeing as how tweekers came up with the "one pot" synthesis method for making meth, I think they wouldn't have to much trouble figuring out how this new product into meth.


Might have to wait until the history books are written to know this for sure, but it's possible it's just one tweaker in Wisconsin. I read about him a few years ago -- talented chemist, graduated from Marquette sometime in the 70s, singlehandedly developed all the recipes that methamphetamine makers used from the 80s or 90s or whenever it started up to the time the article was written. As of that date he was probably slightly underemployed given his talents, working in the QC department at a metal plating place in Green Bay.

I thought it was remarkable that one single man was apparently responsible for creating a nationwide criminal/public health issue just by inventing techniques and disseminating the information.


Read up on 'the cream' and 'the clear'.  Started with some lab tech in NJ who liked to lift weights
 
2013-06-12 03:55:59 PM

Lost Thought 00: MrEricSir: And tweakers using cold meds to get high is my problem... why, exactly?

It's not a problem until they start breaking into your house to get more cash, or destroy a block of houses when their lab explodes. Other than that, totally victimless crime. Aside from the person who unknowingly got caught in a chemical feedback loop altering their body chemistry and creating an unnatural and insatiable desire for meth.


I can't buy into the legalize all drugs but I would 100% of every dime of enforcement spent on pot and redirect it to stopping meth and it's precursors from getting into the country/wrong hands in the first place.  I would also allow/flood the targeted area with pot so the people who want to and are going to get high have a fairly mellow alternative widely available to take the edge off while the meth drys up.
 
2013-06-12 04:00:41 PM

MrEricSir: Lost Thought 00: MrEricSir: And tweakers using cold meds to get high is my problem... why, exactly?

It's not a problem until they start breaking into your house to get more cash, or destroy a block of houses when their lab explodes. Other than that, totally victimless crime. Aside from the person who unknowingly got caught in a chemical feedback loop altering their body chemistry and creating an unnatural and insatiable desire for meth.

So by that reasoning (to use the term loosely) I guess it's not only my fault for having my house broken into, but I guess I shouldn't leave cash, computers, or a stereo at home either.


It's not your fault, but it is your problem.
 
2013-06-12 04:01:50 PM

Towermonkey: Yeah, those copper fairies are innovative. When I worked for Verizon, we'd lose a couple towers a month in our area, the tweakers would scale the fence, kill the power, and rip the bus bars out of the cable runs. These things are two feet long, a few inches wide, and pure copper.


Do any work with the local scrapyards to identify thieves?
 
2013-06-12 04:05:10 PM
Tweak-Gyvers
 
2013-06-12 04:05:24 PM
If people will make and inject Krokodil they will do anything.
 
2013-06-12 04:06:56 PM

kidgenius: But....you want a gun? You can get one, no questions asked.


There were a lot of questions on my application for my FOID card.
 
2013-06-12 04:08:50 PM

pueblonative: Towermonkey: Yeah, those copper fairies are innovative. When I worked for Verizon, we'd lose a couple towers a month in our area, the tweakers would scale the fence, kill the power, and rip the bus bars out of the cable runs. These things are two feet long, a few inches wide, and pure copper.

Do any work with the local scrapyards to identify thieves?


The scrap yards are supposed to keep such records, but the ones around here aren't well-known for their scrupulousness in that regard.
 
2013-06-12 04:45:35 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: What I don't understand is that there is this push to restrict artificial sources of this basic chemical when plant sources are growing wild across the southwest.
[www.vagabondjourney.com image 600x400]
(The other half of the equation is something akin to rocket fuel)


yah, no, the alkaloid of interest is present in such insignificant quantities in mormon tea you've need to harvest the entire southwest just for a cook, also, the alkaloids in mormon tea are slightly different than the ephedrine you use as the base chemical for your meth creation.

the plant you actually want grows in china.

or, better yet, the bacteria you actually want grows in vats in india and china.
 
2013-06-12 05:19:25 PM
60 days until the next episode of Breaking Bad. Yeah, biatch!
 
2013-06-12 05:29:12 PM

Lando Lincoln: 60 days until the next episode of Breaking Bad. Yeah, biatch!


calm down Jesse, it's only magnets.
 
2013-06-12 05:31:46 PM

pueblonative: Do any work with the local scrapyards to identify thieves?


You mean like the scrapyards around here who processed and hid several hundred bronze urns stolen from a cemetary?  Not a farking chance they didn't know they were stolen.  No one ever arrested for 'receiving stolen property' or identified as taking them.  For that, I blame the local police as well as the thieves who work the scrapyards.
 
2013-06-12 05:49:19 PM

relaxitsjustme: Lost Thought 00: MrEricSir: And tweakers using cold meds to get high is my problem... why, exactly?

It's not a problem until they start breaking into your house to get more cash, or destroy a block of houses when their lab explodes. Other than that, totally victimless crime. Aside from the person who unknowingly got caught in a chemical feedback loop altering their body chemistry and creating an unnatural and insatiable desire for meth.

I can't buy into the legalize all drugs but I would 100% of every dime of enforcement spent on pot and redirect it to stopping meth and it's precursors from getting into the country/wrong hands in the first place.  I would also allow/flood the targeted area with pot so the people who want to and are going to get high have a fairly mellow alternative widely available to take the edge off while the meth drys up.


Legalizing all drugs is beyond stupid.  Anything more dangerous and/or addicting than booze & cigarettes should be banned/restricted to RX only if it has any use.   Pot (for sure) and stuff like ecstasy (probably) do not fall under that category and shouldn't be treated an differently than booze/smokes.
 
2013-06-12 05:54:57 PM

MrEricSir: Lost Thought 00: MrEricSir: And tweakers using cold meds to get high is my problem... why, exactly?

It's not a problem until they start breaking into your house to get more cash, or destroy a block of houses when their lab explodes. Other than that, totally victimless crime. Aside from the person who unknowingly got caught in a chemical feedback loop altering their body chemistry and creating an unnatural and insatiable desire for meth.

So by that reasoning (to use the term loosely) I guess it's not only my fault for having my house broken into, but I guess I shouldn't leave cash, computers, or a stereo at home either.


By that reasoning we should get rid of cars, because some people drive badly and risk others' lives, or guns because they can be easily used to kill people, plus all the accidental shootings.

And last I checked, theft is a crime, no matter what the motivation.
 
2013-06-12 06:20:05 PM

ongbok: Dancin_In_Anson: Funny thing about junkies...they have the will to find a way. I'd love to see someone  develop a highly addictive drug that will ONLY work if large quantities are shoved up your ass. Hilarity would ensue.

I know that there is something about crack that turns people into engineering geniuses. I'm serious, if there is money for crack involved crackheads can rig up anything and fix almost anything. It's uncanny.


Have you ever tried to do complex custom milling, glassblowing, and assembly...ON WEED?

/seriously, you would not believe some of the bongs I've seen...
 
2013-06-12 06:26:07 PM

Towermonkey: Yeah, those copper fairies are innovative. When I worked for Verizon, we'd lose a couple towers a month in our area, the tweakers would scale the fence, kill the power, and rip the bus bars out of the cable runs. These things are two feet long, a few inches wide, and pure copper.


The warehouse you kept the spares in must have been locked like Fort Knox...
 
2013-06-12 06:54:38 PM

valkore: Meanwhile, to get a 12-pack of Sudafed, I need to wait 30 minutes in the Pharmacy line, get my driver's license scanned into some Federal database, sign an affadavit stating I'm using the medication legally, and submit a DNA sample before they hand me the package.


When there's a line, would you PLEASE choose the cheek swab method of providing the DNA sample?
 
2013-06-12 10:08:02 PM

valkore: Meanwhile, to get a 12-pack of Sudafed, I need to wait 30 minutes in the Pharmacy line, get my driver's license scanned into some Federal database, sign an affadavit stating I'm using the medication legally, and submit a DNA sample before they hand me the package.


And your 11 year old daughter can walk up walk into a pharmacy and buy the morning after pill with no questions asked.

Sucks, eh?
 
2013-06-12 10:11:10 PM
I hope tweakers find a way to make methamphetamine out of flour so that they leave Sudafed buyers alone.
 
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