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(Minneapolis Star Tribune)   Ariel Castro doesn't know who kidnapped three Ohio women and held them hostage in his basement for years, but it definitely wasn't him   (startribune.com ) divider line
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2013-06-12 11:53:36 AM  
FTA: 177 counts of kidnapping

That charge must not mean what I think it means.
 
2013-06-12 11:53:50 AM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: I'm thinking we lock this turdball up in Guantanamo for the next 30 years.


Guantanamo is too good for him.
 
2013-06-12 11:54:28 AM  

mayIFark: KrispyKritter: Good luck having a three year span without a complete stranger going in your basement. Whether it's cable install guy, electrician installing additional box for new A/C unit, work crew putting in water/house heater equipment, Inspector from the Town, Sears delivering / installing washer-dryer, - you name it we've had a stranger in our basement at least once a year. Every farking year. Forever.

Now I have to figure out which one of those bastards left all those women chained in my basement.

Also, who made you jerk off and carry the outcome into the basement and pushed it in one of the girls?

static01.mediaite.com
He has a very persuasive moustache?
 
2013-06-12 11:55:24 AM  
Wait.......who?

s23.postimg.org
 
2013-06-12 11:55:26 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: avoid an "unnecessary trial" involving the death penalty.

It is unnecessary. Just skip all that and go straight to the gallows.


I like the electric chair at about 75 volts, 10 Hz.  Could take awhile, but I'm in no hurry.

I read about a 19 yr old in Bolivia, raped and killed a woman, then showed up at her funeral.  The locals tied him up, tossed him in the hole first, then the coffin, then the dirt.  That'll teach him.
 
2013-06-12 12:01:37 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Well, it doesn't have to be a gallows. I know where you can find industrial blenders like they use to make cat food. Imagine a DC-3 prop at the bottom of a Saturn V fuel tank.


WHy aren't more people executed by rocket engine tests? Seems pretty quick to me.
 
2013-06-12 12:02:45 PM  
Who among us hasn't had some crazy stranger create a fully stocked rape dungeon in their basement?

/me, that's who
//but only because I don't have a basement
 
2013-06-12 12:05:55 PM  

mbillips: Rwa2play: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: I'm thinking we lock this turdball up in Guantanamo for the next 30 years.

Better; NY should gladly reserve a spot for this lowlife at Rikers.

Rikers is a jail, not a prison. Ohio is more than well-supplied with violent, overcrowded shiathole prisons, though, never fear.


www.graveaddiction.com

The Ohio State Reformatory in Mansfield...better known for:

s2.hubimg.com

/also, makes a kick ass haunted house and paintball zone
 
2013-06-12 12:07:31 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Hey, look everyone, it's the "I didn't do it" boy!


+1
 
2013-06-12 12:07:55 PM  
I like that photo caption.
Ariel Castro, center, enters the courtroom for his arraignment Wednesday...

Oh, he's the one in the middle?  In the orange jumpsuit?  Never would have guessed.
 
2013-06-12 12:08:45 PM  
Can we start a donation/retirement fund for the guard at whatever prison he ends up..
to record audio
 of castros prolonged death by man holing
 
2013-06-12 12:08:51 PM  

jayphat: Quantum Apostrophe: Well, it doesn't have to be a gallows. I know where you can find industrial blenders like they use to make cat food. Imagine a DC-3 prop at the bottom of a Saturn V fuel tank.

WHy aren't more people executed by rocket engine tests? Seems pretty quick to me.


I think we should open up the possibility of using death row inmates as real test crash dummies, think of all the scientific data we could learn!
 
2013-06-12 12:09:12 PM  

Inflatable Rhetoric: I read about a 19 yr old in Bolivia, raped and killed a woman, then showed up at her funeral. The locals tied him up, tossed him in the hole first, then the coffin, then the dirt. That'll teach him.


That... sounds unlikely. Not impossible, but when I hear vague, too good to be true stories of vigilante justice my bullshiat alarm starts going off. Especially when the location is in some remote, third world shiathole (or at least somewhere that is viewed to be that).

"Wouldn't it be great if this actually happened? Hell, I'll just say it did. I'll set it in Bolivia, everyone will believe it could happen there."
 
2013-06-12 12:09:32 PM  

litmusdragon: FTA: 177 counts of kidnapping

That charge must not mean what I think it means.


My theory on this is that everytime he moved them to a different area of the house and restrained them again counts as a separate event.
 
2013-06-12 12:09:34 PM  
So, he's going with the multiple personality defense?

What's he got to lose?
 
2013-06-12 12:10:09 PM  
Even Lionel Hutz could convict this guy of his crimes. I say no plea deal, go after the death penalty. He's the reason the death penalty still exists.
 
2013-06-12 12:13:15 PM  

Jument: Who among us hasn't had some crazy stranger create a fully stocked rape dungeon in their basement?



Now THERE'S a makeover show we all could agree on.
 
2013-06-12 12:16:09 PM  
How does kidnapping three women turn into 177 counts of kidnapping?  Did he let them go and re-kidnap them 177 different times?  Is it like 1 count per year held or something?
 
2013-06-12 12:17:36 PM  

Jacobin: So, he's going with the multiple personality defense?

What's he got to lose?


Well its why he needed three girls

....chained in his basement
 
2013-06-12 12:17:45 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: Inflatable Rhetoric: I read about a 19 yr old in Bolivia, raped and killed a woman, then showed up at her funeral. The locals tied him up, tossed him in the hole first, then the coffin, then the dirt. That'll teach him.

That... sounds unlikely. Not impossible, but when I hear vague, too good to be true stories of vigilante justice my bullshiat alarm starts going off. Especially when the location is in some remote, third world shiathole (or at least somewhere that is viewed to be that).

"Wouldn't it be great if this actually happened? Hell, I'll just say it did. I'll set it in Bolivia, everyone will believe it could happen there."


Google "buried alive in Bolivia"

He was 17, not 19.

From the BBC:

Rape suspect buried alive in BoliviaA man suspected of rape has been buried alive by villagers in the southern highlands of Bolivia.
Police had identified the 17-year-old as the possible culprit in the rape and murder of a 35-year-old woman near the municipality of Colquechaca.
The chief prosecutor says more than 200 furious local people seized Santos Ramos and buried him in the grave of his alleged victim.
He says residents blocked roads into the village to stop police arriving.
A reporter for a local radio station, who would only speak anonymously for fear of reprisals, told the media that Mr Ramos was tied up at the woman's funeral.
He said mourners threw him into the open grave alongside the woman's coffin and filled the grave with earth.
Colquechaca is a town of about 5,000 inhabitants some 207 miles ( 333 km) south-east of the Bolivian capital, La Paz.
Correspondents say lynchings sometimes happen in isolated, poorer parts of Bolivia, where police and other authorities are scarce.
 
2013-06-12 12:20:20 PM  
Every indication I've seen is that the defense is likely going to cop a plea for life.  Which is best for everyone, really.  Those girls don't need to take the stand and have to relive that one more time, and the poetic justice of him being housed in a cage until his natural death seems a fitting end for him.
 
2013-06-12 12:20:25 PM  

Inflatable Rhetoric: Noticeably F.A.T.: Inflatable Rhetoric: I read about a 19 yr old in Bolivia, raped and killed a woman, then showed up at her funeral. The locals tied him up, tossed him in the hole first, then the coffin, then the dirt. That'll teach him.

That... sounds unlikely. Not impossible, but when I hear vague, too good to be true stories of vigilante justice my bullshiat alarm starts going off. Especially when the location is in some remote, third world shiathole (or at least somewhere that is viewed to be that).

"Wouldn't it be great if this actually happened? Hell, I'll just say it did. I'll set it in Bolivia, everyone will believe it could happen there."

Google "buried alive in Bolivia"

He was 17, not 19.

From the BBC:

Rape suspect buried alive in BoliviaA man suspected of rape has been buried alive by villagers in the southern highlands of Bolivia.
Police had identified the 17-year-old as the possible culprit in the rape and murder of a 35-year-old woman near the municipality of Colquechaca.
The chief prosecutor says more than 200 furious local people seized Santos Ramos and buried him in the grave of his alleged victim.
He says residents blocked roads into the village to stop police arriving.
A reporter for a local radio station, who would only speak anonymously for fear of reprisals, told the media that Mr Ramos was tied up at the woman's funeral.
He said mourners threw him into the open grave alongside the woman's coffin and filled the grave with earth.
Colquechaca is a town of about 5,000 inhabitants some 207 miles ( 333 km) south-east of the Bolivian capital, La Paz.
Correspondents say lynchings sometimes happen in isolated, poorer parts of Bolivia, where police and other authorities are scarce.


It also says 'suspect', not 'known rapist'. Gonna suck if it turns out it wasn't him, eh? There's kind of a reason lynching's a crime...
 
2013-06-12 12:23:27 PM  
Ok Fark lawyers who I'm hoping are smarter than this fark lawyer, how the hell is this a death penalty case?

Coker v. Georgia (433 U.S. 584) says you can't kill rapists for adult rape no matter how rapey they get.
Kennedy v. Luisiana (957 So. 2d 757) says you can't kill child rapists (don't read the facts if your squemish or have human emotion still)

I'm pretty sure you can't kill people for kidnapping (though I don't have a case cite to back me up).  Unless he murdered soemone that I'm unaware of or somehoe committed treason during the course of his crime how do we get to this might be a death penalty case?
 
2013-06-12 12:25:06 PM  

angry bunny: Ok Fark lawyers who I'm hoping are smarter than this fark lawyer, how the hell is this a death penalty case?

Coker v. Georgia (433 U.S. 584) says you can't kill rapists for adult rape no matter how rapey they get.
Kennedy v. Luisiana (957 So. 2d 757) says you can't kill child rapists (don't read the facts if your squemish or have human emotion still)

I'm pretty sure you can't kill people for kidnapping (though I don't have a case cite to back me up).  Unless he murdered soemone that I'm unaware of or somehoe committed treason during the course of his crime how do we get to this might be a death penalty case?


It's for the forced miscarriages.
 
2013-06-12 12:25:14 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: jayphat: Quantum Apostrophe: Well, it doesn't have to be a gallows. I know where you can find industrial blenders like they use to make cat food. Imagine a DC-3 prop at the bottom of a Saturn V fuel tank.

WHy aren't more people executed by rocket engine tests? Seems pretty quick to me.

I think we should open up the possibility of using death row inmates as real test crash dummies, think of all the scientific data we could learn!


Go all Mengele on him! That'll make us feel better.
 
2013-06-12 12:25:56 PM  

Felgraf: Inflatable Rhetoric: Noticeably F.A.T.: Inflatable Rhetoric: I read about a 19 yr old in Bolivia, raped and killed a woman, then showed up at her funeral. The locals tied him up, tossed him in the hole first, then the coffin, then the dirt. That'll teach him.

That... sounds unlikely. Not impossible, but when I hear vague, too good to be true stories of vigilante justice my bullshiat alarm starts going off. Especially when the location is in some remote, third world shiathole (or at least somewhere that is viewed to be that).

"Wouldn't it be great if this actually happened? Hell, I'll just say it did. I'll set it in Bolivia, everyone will believe it could happen there."

Google "buried alive in Bolivia"

He was 17, not 19.

From the BBC:

Rape suspect buried alive in BoliviaA man suspected of rape has been buried alive by villagers in the southern highlands of Bolivia.
Police had identified the 17-year-old as the possible culprit in the rape and murder of a 35-year-old woman near the municipality of Colquechaca.
The chief prosecutor says more than 200 furious local people seized Santos Ramos and buried him in the grave of his alleged victim.
He says residents blocked roads into the village to stop police arriving.
A reporter for a local radio station, who would only speak anonymously for fear of reprisals, told the media that Mr Ramos was tied up at the woman's funeral.
He said mourners threw him into the open grave alongside the woman's coffin and filled the grave with earth.
Colquechaca is a town of about 5,000 inhabitants some 207 miles ( 333 km) south-east of the Bolivian capital, La Paz.
Correspondents say lynchings sometimes happen in isolated, poorer parts of Bolivia, where police and other authorities are scarce.

It also says 'suspect', not 'known rapist'. Gonna suck if it turns out it wasn't him, eh? There's kind of a reason lynching's a crime...


Yea, it's always something.  Also, I wasn't involved, only read about it.
 
2013-06-12 12:28:15 PM  

angry bunny: Ok Fark lawyers who I'm hoping are smarter than this fark lawyer, how the hell is this a death penalty case?

Coker v. Georgia (433 U.S. 584) says you can't kill rapists for adult rape no matter how rapey they get.
Kennedy v. Luisiana (957 So. 2d 757) says you can't kill child rapists (don't read the facts if your squemish or have human emotion still)

I'm pretty sure you can't kill people for kidnapping (though I don't have a case cite to back me up).  Unless he murdered soemone that I'm unaware of or somehoe committed treason during the course of his crime how do we get to this might be a death penalty case?


if i remember right he forced a few miscarriage and abortions on the girls and at lest one time the child could have lived or some such. So if he forced a early birth or such and the baby was alive and could have life and let it die or such there is murder for you.
 
2013-06-12 12:28:54 PM  

nekom: angry bunny: Ok Fark lawyers who I'm hoping are smarter than this fark lawyer, how the hell is this a death penalty case?

Coker v. Georgia (433 U.S. 584) says you can't kill rapists for adult rape no matter how rapey they get.
Kennedy v. Luisiana (957 So. 2d 757) says you can't kill child rapists (don't read the facts if your squemish or have human emotion still)

I'm pretty sure you can't kill people for kidnapping (though I don't have a case cite to back me up).  Unless he murdered soemone that I'm unaware of or somehoe committed treason during the course of his crime how do we get to this might be a death penalty case?

It's for the forced miscarriages.


While I have no sympathy for this guy, murder charges involving a fetus might complicate our lives.
 
2013-06-12 12:31:17 PM  
Inflatable Rhetoric:
While I have no sympathy for this guy, murder charges involving a fetus might complicate our lives.

I fully agree.  But it would depend on the exact circumstances.  Was it a miscarriage, an early birth, a live birth?  We don't have all the facts on that, but yes a crime against an unborn fetus opens up a whole other can of worms.  All the more reason why this needs to be pled down to life and we just stick him in a concrete cage until he dies.  Probably worse than death.

From the 1994 movie "No Escape":   This place will now be your holding pen until your death. Because death is the only way out. There is no chance of reprieve here, No possibility of escape. You are condemned. Either accept it... Or die..

works for me.
 
2013-06-12 12:31:46 PM  
#1) There should not have EVER been a question of allowing bail to this guy. The three girls were granted no freedom!!!

#2) The issue of death Penelty and skipping a trial should not be allowed. This guy should be made an example of in a very public manner.

#3 Who is the prick who has allowed him to watch TV and draw????? Chain him to the F'n wall I say and let bubba rape him a few times for good measure.

3 Concecutive death penelties. Shock the prick, then difib him back for the next, re-resecutate, then hang the bastard. I'll pay $50 to see it all on PPV!!!!!!
 
2013-06-12 12:33:19 PM  
Clear proof these women are in a conspiracy to frame the poor guy. They must have stolen a tissue he used to clean up on and then squeezed the juices into one of them to get her pregnant. Do these women have no shame?
 
2013-06-12 12:33:27 PM  

Inflatable Rhetoric: While I have no sympathy for this guy, murder charges involving a fetus might complicate our lives.


In this instance the baby was at 32 weeks, more than viable and even according to Roe v Wade not a fetus

Keep moving
 
2013-06-12 12:38:23 PM  

angry bunny: Ok Fark lawyers who I'm hoping are smarter than this fark lawyer, how the hell is this a death penalty case?


He forced the miscarriage (by beating IIRC) of at least one nearly full term viable fetus while in the process of committing other felonies (kidnapping, rape, etc).
 
2013-06-12 12:48:39 PM  

shifter_: #1) There should not have EVER been a question of allowing bail to this guy. The three girls were granted no freedom!!!


Yes, it should have been considered, just as it is in all criminal cases. And just as it was, it should be denied. No matter how heinous a crime, we don't start picking and choosing which laws we follow.

shifter_: #2) The issue of death Penelty and skipping a trial should not be allowed. This guy should be made an example of in a very public manner.


Made an example of? You mean that you should not kidnap, imprison and rape 3 women? The people that would do such a thing are not going to be swayed by any public display. We shouldn't lose our humanity just because he doesn't have any.

shifter_: #3 Who is the prick who has allowed him to watch TV and draw????? Chain him to the F'n wall I say and let bubba rape him a few times for good measure.


Nice, should we bother with a trial first, or just go medieval on his ass now

shifter_: 3 Concecutive death penelties. Shock the prick, then difib him back for the next, re-resecutate, then hang the bastard. I'll pay $50 to see it all on PPV!!!!!!

l teach him.

Kinda into torture fantasies aren't ya? Do you have a basement by any chance?
 
2013-06-12 12:49:47 PM  
lock him in a basement and let prisoners rape and beat him... till he mysteriously dies from abuse
 
2013-06-12 12:54:02 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: Inflatable Rhetoric: While I have no sympathy for this guy, murder charges involving a fetus might complicate our lives.

In this instance the baby was at 32 weeks, more than viable and even according to Roe v Wade not a fetus

Keep moving


Well, that doesn't mean it won't complicate things.  Hell, a few people even tried to stick up for Kermit Gosnell.  I for one welcome the circus that would create.

I think the men's rights angle is the right one to troll in that particular case though.   "He should be just as entitled to an abortion as his rape victims."

"Safe, legal, and rare!  Thanks to Republican meddling, there were no abortion clinics in his basement, so he had no choice but to do it the unsafe way" could be fun to try out, but probably difficult to maintain through a whole thread.
 
2013-06-12 01:01:32 PM  
"Mr. Castro currently faces hundreds of years in prison with the current charges"

i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-06-12 01:23:48 PM  

mbillips: "Yeah, I really never go down there. Too many spiders."


www.questionablecontent.net
 
2013-06-12 01:49:46 PM  
Ahhhh I see going with the ole "Honest mom I dunno how that porn and fireworks got under my bed." defense. Didnt work for me, doubt itll work for him.
 
2013-06-12 01:50:40 PM  
Hear that sound? That is the sound of his defense attorneys running for the door....
 
2013-06-12 01:52:08 PM  
i1069.photobucket.com
 
2013-06-12 01:56:37 PM  

Inflatable Rhetoric: From the BBC:


Huh. How about that.
 
2013-06-12 02:03:35 PM  
I'm normally against the death penalty because there are simply too many cases where we can't be 100% of what actually happened.  I think the conservative route to take on most cases is life in prison - after all, if you know a certain percentage have been proven to be not guilty in the past, why would you allow the government to take an irreversible course of action?

Then on the other hand, there's this guy.  I have no sympathy for him.  Nor do I have any sympathy for someone who would hurt a kid.  And even though these were "older" kids...they were still just kids.
 
2013-06-12 02:18:21 PM  
As much as this guy is a poster child for keeping the death penalty, I would rather they get a plea deal and send him straight to the crappiest prison in the state.  I really would not want the women he imprisoned to have to step foot in a courtroom.  They just need to get on with their lives as best they can, and the thing that will do that is to know he is in jail and they don't need to worry about him.
 
2013-06-12 02:26:17 PM  

natgab: As much as this guy is a poster child for keeping the death penalty, I would rather they get a plea deal and send him straight to the crappiest prison in the state.  I really would not want the women he imprisoned to have to step foot in a courtroom.  They just need to get on with their lives as best they can, and the thing that will do that is to know he is in jail and they don't need to worry about him.


Technically they may not have to, corroborating statements from officers along with DNA evidence might be enough for the murder charge
 
2013-06-12 02:26:43 PM  

The Flexecutioner: great. we might get to see this followup:

[0.tqn.com image 54x11]  Castro glides


Nicely done!

Or if it's the death penalty:
Castro turfed

/Assuming he's not cremated, of course.
 
2013-06-12 02:47:30 PM  

WordyGrrl: The Flexecutioner: great. we might get to see this followup:

[0.tqn.com image 54x11]  Castro glides

Nicely done!

Or if it's the death penalty:
Castro turfed

/Assuming he's not cremated, of course.


Great idea.  Cremate him, then execute him.

I can live with life w/o parole, tho.

Someone mentioned bail.  Was that seriously discussed in court, or is a hearing a routine requirement?
 
2013-06-12 02:53:04 PM  

nekom: Inflatable Rhetoric:
While I have no sympathy for this guy, murder charges involving a fetus might complicate our lives.

I fully agree.  But it would depend on the exact circumstances.  Was it a miscarriage, an early birth, a live birth?  We don't have all the facts on that, but yes a crime against an unborn fetus opens up a whole other can of worms.  All the more reason why this needs to be pled down to life and we just stick him in a concrete cage until he dies.  Probably worse than death.

From the 1994 movie "No Escape":   This place will now be your holding pen until your death. Because death is the only way out. There is no chance of reprieve here, No possibility of escape. You are condemned. Either accept it... Or die..

works for me.


I do not believe that a movie so divorced from reality that it presents the wholly unbelievable scenario of prisons being private entities and prisoners treated as corporate assets should be relevant in your consideration.
 
2013-06-12 02:54:23 PM  

Inflatable Rhetoric: WordyGrrl: The Flexecutioner: great. we might get to see this followup:

[0.tqn.com image 54x11]  Castro glides

Nicely done!

Or if it's the death penalty:
Castro turfed

/Assuming he's not cremated, of course.

Great idea.  Cremate him, then execute him.

I can live with life w/o parole, tho.

Someone mentioned bail.  Was that seriously discussed in court, or is a hearing a routine requirement?


It's a routine requirement, and it was seriously discussed. Holding someone in jail before they are convicted of a crime is a big deal.
 
2013-06-12 03:01:05 PM  

mbillips: youmightberight: Why is this fark still consuming our oxygen?

Sentence first -- verdict afterwards!

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 "When the white bronco yells, 'off her head'.."
 
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