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(Al Jazeera)   Reports coming in of 'massacre' in eastern Syria. Also, western Syria, North Syria, that part in the south, the center, some places in underground caves and probably flying around up in the air, too   (aljazeera.com) divider line 63
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2013-06-12 11:32:33 AM
Just more evidence of why we should not get involved in another civil war between Sunnis and Shia.
 
2013-06-12 11:59:22 AM
Just you wait, as soon as democracy kicks in, we'll be fine.
 
2013-06-12 12:32:14 PM
Syria is a no-win for the US.  Neither side will be friendly to us once it's settled.
 
2013-06-12 12:32:38 PM
"The establishment of a free Iraq at the heart of the Middle East will be a watershed event in the global democratic revolution"

-- George W. Bush
 
2013-06-12 12:32:42 PM
for crying out loud nuke the whole goddamn place already.
 
2013-06-12 12:33:37 PM
Wait, is Donald Mc Rumsfeld doing the reporting ala "...we know where the WMD's are..." ?
 
2013-06-12 12:39:25 PM
So, I see it's Wednesday over there again.
 
2013-06-12 12:40:02 PM

Fiction Fan: for crying out loud nuke the whole goddamn place already.


the statement to the UN after glassing the place should be "Now, the rest of you KNOCK IT OFF"
 
2013-06-12 12:44:51 PM

Jake Havechek: "The establishment of a free Iraq at the heart of the Middle East will be a watershed event in the global democratic revolution"

-- George W. Bush


to be fair, "watershed" doesn't necessarily mean that things will improve, just change.
 
2013-06-12 12:45:28 PM

Jake Havechek: "The establishment of a free Iraq at the heart of the Middle East will be a watershed event in the global democratic revolution"

-- George W. Bush


Would have been, too. That's why the revolt started.

But the US has a long history of encouraging fledgling democracies then hanging them out to dry.
 
2013-06-12 12:48:58 PM
Yeah, I wouldn't want any part of this conflict. Both sides can WMD the shiat out of each other and I still can't see any good reason to get involved.
 
2013-06-12 12:52:25 PM
So, Wednesday, then?
 
2013-06-12 12:53:23 PM

TheZorker: Jake Havechek: "The establishment of a free Iraq at the heart of the Middle East will be a watershed event in the global democratic revolution"

-- George W. Bush

Would have been, too. That's why the revolt started.

But the US has a long history of encouraging fledgling democracies then hanging them out to dry.


I'm afraid that's the case here.
It was a revolutionary war.  But the revolutionary leaders are likely all dead by now.  Replacing them are religious zealots who will try to oust the repressive dictator to establish a repressive fundamentalist religious state.
 
2013-06-12 12:54:01 PM

germ78: Yeah, I wouldn't want any part of this conflict. Both sides can WMD the shiat out of each other and I still can't see any good reason to get involved.


Heck, I'm not entirely sure that anyone really knows who either side really is.
 
2013-06-12 12:54:45 PM

pag1107: Syria is a no-win for the US. Neither side will be friendly to us once it's settled.


Especially once China shows up at the victor's doorstep to "help redirect, erh, rebuild" that oil infrastructure.

/half-joking
//some higher up in Washington is drinking full dejoke though
 
2013-06-12 12:57:57 PM
Chaos and anarchy have a way of spreading, recently there has been anti government rioting in Turkey, which I find troubling.  That they are pissed off for the right reasons is not important, the protest got violent very quickly.
 
2013-06-12 12:58:36 PM

fireclown: Heck, I'm not entirely sure that anyone really knows who either side really is.


It wouldn't surprise me if some localized clashes throughout Syria are simply comprised of random globs of religious/ethnic entity X just mowing down a random glob of entity Y. You had a feeling the situation in Syria would devolve into inhumane chaos.
 
2013-06-12 12:58:43 PM

germ78: Yeah, I wouldn't want any part of this conflict. Both sides can WMD the shiat out of each other and I still can't see any good reason to get involved.


I agree.  Just take a look at the comments below that article.  Some violent folks there, I mean fark threads can get pretty nasty but those guys are talking about ripping the fat bellies of people open, tearing out someone's heart, etc.
 
2013-06-12 01:03:14 PM

Fiction Fan: for crying out loud nuke the whole goddamn place already.


Count me in for the 'Sea Of Glass' contigency
 
2013-06-12 01:06:14 PM
Wow...
 
2013-06-12 01:07:36 PM

pag1107: Syria is a no-win for the US.  Neither side will be friendly to won't be angry with us once it's settled.


FTFY.

Jake Havechek: Chaos and anarchy have a way of spreading, recently there has been anti government rioting in Turkey, which I find troubling.  That they are pissed off for the right reasons is not important, the protest got violent very quickly.


What is troubling is the govt response, not the protests.

The reasons for it have nothing to do with Syria.
 
2013-06-12 01:09:01 PM
Does it have 4 part harmony and full orchestration?
 
2013-06-12 01:15:01 PM

Mytch: TheZorker: Jake Havechek: "The establishment of a free Iraq at the heart of the Middle East will be a watershed event in the global democratic revolution"

-- George W. Bush

Would have been, too. That's why the revolt started.

But the US has a long history of encouraging fledgling democracies then hanging them out to dry.

I'm afraid that's the case here.
It was a revolutionary war.   But the revolutionary leaders are likely all dead by now.  Replacing them are religious zealots who will try to oust the repressive dictator to establish a repressive fundamentalist religious state.


This.

The hindsight question is, then: would the Syrian people or the West's own interests (a nation should always be ready to act in its own interests - altruism doesn't keep your economy strong or your people safe) have been better served with more substantial help being given to those original revolutionary leaders earlier on, when they still had control of the revolution?  Now that the crazies are in and taking charge, it's probably too late.
 
2013-06-12 01:15:22 PM

pag1107: Syria is a no-win for the US.  Neither side will be friendly to us once it's settled.


Syria is a win-win for us. Our enemies are killing each other.
 
2013-06-12 01:15:56 PM

liam76: pag1107: Syria is a no-win for the US.  Neither side will be friendly to won't be angry with us once it's settled.

FTFY.

Jake Havechek: Chaos and anarchy have a way of spreading, recently there has been anti government rioting in Turkey, which I find troubling.  That they are pissed off for the right reasons is not important, the protest got violent very quickly.

What is troubling is the govt response, not the protests.

The reasons for it have nothing to do with Syria.


Of course they do.

Young Turks (pardon the pun), are opposed to the creeping Islamic influence in their government.  Opposition Syrians are fed up with the hardline Syrian government, with essentially president-for-life Assad, and he always listens to the top Imuslim clerics, who really run the whole show.

Big picture, people, big picture.
 
2013-06-12 01:23:54 PM

kzig: germ78: Yeah, I wouldn't want any part of this conflict. Both sides can WMD the shiat out of each other and I still can't see any good reason to get involved.

I agree.  Just take a look at the comments below that article.  Some violent folks there, I mean fark threads can get pretty nasty but those guys are talking about ripping the fat bellies of people open, tearing out someone's heart, etc.


I honestly hope Basheer wins. For what affects my life his winning would have the least effect. But both sides are bad and the only winning move is not to play. Plus I grew up a Catholic so I'm going to root for the side that isn't planning to slaughter all of the ones in Syria if they win.
 
2013-06-12 01:25:21 PM

Jake Havechek: Of course they do.

Young Turks (pardon the pun), are opposed to the creeping Islamic influence in their government. Opposition Syrians are fed up with the hardline Syrian government, with essentially president-for-life Assad, and he always listens to the top Imuslim clerics, who really run the whole show.

Big picture, people, big picture


No he doesn't.

If he was that hardline islamic he wouldn't have the religious nutbags against him.

Assad, while a religious hardliner by western standards, was a very moderate dictator by ME standards.

Syrians are fighting an entrenched dictatorship, and religious nutjobs are hopping on board.  Turks are protesting religion (and to a lesser extent authritarianism) encroaching on their democracy.
 
2013-06-12 01:49:51 PM
Better send them more supplies and weapons, boss.
 
2013-06-12 01:51:28 PM

The Muthaship: Better send them more supplies and weapons, boss.


Arm both sides.
 
2013-06-12 01:55:11 PM

JesusJuice: Syria is a win-win for us. Our enemies are killing each other.


No, not really

The conflict has devolved into a Sunnis vs Shia regional conflict and we can look forward to another decade of war there as Lebanon, Iraq and eventually Iran devolve into chaos.

And if we just sit back and do nothing, what do you think the side that comes out on top will think of us?
 
2013-06-12 01:58:17 PM

IdBeCrazyIf: what do you think the side that comes out on top will think of us?


I imagine they'll still want us dead.

The guys we helped fight off the Russians didn't seem too thankful.
 
2013-06-12 02:01:52 PM

The Muthaship: The guys we helped fight off the Russians didn't seem too thankful.


Actually they were, they were very thankful.....remember Rambo 3

They were falling head over heels with us, and then we took our promised money for rebuilding and skipped town and in place left the CIA to handle what would eventually become a heroin epidemic from the vast poppy plants being the only thing they could make any money to live off of.

That's what pissed them off something awful

And it looks like we're getting ready to do the exact same thing....yay for repeating history!
 
2013-06-12 02:03:03 PM
Just freakin' stay out. This is Syria's business.
 
2013-06-12 02:05:59 PM

IdBeCrazyIf: yay for repeating history!


Some of which we just made up!
 
2013-06-12 02:06:41 PM

Seraphym: Mytch: TheZorker: Jake Havechek: "The establishment of a free Iraq at the heart of the Middle East will be a watershed event in the global democratic revolution"

-- George W. Bush

Would have been, too. That's why the revolt started.

But the US has a long history of encouraging fledgling democracies then hanging them out to dry.

I'm afraid that's the case here.
It was a revolutionary war. But the revolutionary leaders are likely all dead by now. Replacing them are religious zealots who will try to oust the repressive dictator to establish a repressive fundamentalist religious state.

This.

The hindsight question is, then: would the Syrian people or the West's own interests (a nation should always be ready to act in its own interests - altruism doesn't keep your economy strong or your people safe) have been better served with more substantial help being given to those original revolutionary leaders earlier on, when they still had control of the revolution? Now that the crazies are in and taking charge, it's probably too late.


My answer is yes, and I'm fairly consistent about that. It is in our own interest to encourage people to stand up to repressive governments and support them.

MichiganFTL: Just freakin' stay out. This is Syria's business.


So glad France didn't say the same thing circa 1776
 
2013-06-12 02:07:03 PM
Dear Syrians:

Thanks ever so much for expelling your indigenous Jewish population before embarking on this war.

Love,

Elders of Zion.
 
2013-06-12 02:08:13 PM

The Muthaship: Some of which we just made up!


Nuh uh, I heard it at a presidential library, so obviously it has to be true

Now if you'll excuse me, my date is here....he's French
 
2013-06-12 02:09:23 PM

pag1107: Syria is a no-win for the US.


It's also a no-win for Syria.
 
2013-06-12 02:09:49 PM
Just more evidence that the only true god is the god of Entropy.
 
2013-06-12 02:10:46 PM

IdBeCrazyIf: The Muthaship: Some of which we just made up!

Nuh uh, I heard it at a presidential library, so obviously it has to be true

Now if you'll excuse me, my date is here....he's French


Bonjour!
 
2013-06-12 02:12:18 PM
Must be a day that ends in y.
 
2013-06-12 02:21:02 PM
really, who cares?

nuke the entire Middle East and be done with it
 
2013-06-12 02:22:56 PM

TheZorker: So glad France didn't say the same thing circa 1776


The 'Colonists' were resisting the English, who were a competition for the French.  It wasn't out fo the goodness of their heart.

Also the 'colonists' didn't have factions running around lopping the heads off of people who followed the CofE.

It is a mess, and i am not sure what to do, either way lots of peopel are going to be pissed at us, but it is nothing like the American Revolution.
 
2013-06-12 02:28:55 PM

liam76: Also the 'colonists' didn't have factions running around lopping the heads off of people who followed the CofE.


Well technically speaking England did have Hessian mercenary units running around terrorizing people for awhile, till they figured out that just pissed people off more.
 
2013-06-12 02:34:48 PM

IdBeCrazyIf: liam76: Also the 'colonists' didn't have factions running around lopping the heads off of people who followed the CofE.

Well technically speaking England did have Hessian mercenary units running around terrorizing people for awhile, till they figured out that just pissed people off more.


I was pointing out a reason not to get involved that the french didn't face.
 
2013-06-12 02:35:13 PM

Jake Havechek: "The establishment of a free Iraq at the heart of the Middle East will be a watershed event in the global democratic revolution"

-- George W. Bush


Isn't this a revolution so they can vote out president for life Qaddafi, er, I mean Mubar...uh, I mean Assad?
 
2013-06-12 03:06:38 PM
Ah the 'Arab Spring'. So what it'll be ? backward islamic theocracy or ruthless secular dictatorship ?
 
2013-06-12 03:11:28 PM
So what color wristband thing are we supposed to put on the K?
And who are the good guys again?
 
2013-06-12 03:40:07 PM
The name "Syria" always makes me think of syrup, which makes me hungry...
 
2013-06-12 04:25:18 PM

kzig: germ78: Yeah, I wouldn't want any part of this conflict. Both sides can WMD the shiat out of each other and I still can't see any good reason to get involved.

I agree.  Just take a look at the comments below that article.  Some violent folks there, I mean fark threads can get pretty nasty but those guys are talking about ripping the fat bellies of people open, tearing out someone's heart, etc.


It's a translation error. He meant to say "You sound fat" but it came out as "I'll cut your fat belly".
 
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