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(Den Of Geek)   Man of Steel review: "Superman Returns was too reverential to the previous films, that was complaint one. It was shy of action. That was complaint two. Within ten minutes of Zack Snyder's Man Of Steel, both have been very, very clearly addressed"   (denofgeek.com) divider line 119
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2013-06-12 11:12:36 AM  
Ugh, its RT score is bad. Are we being set up for the all time winner in the Great Trailer/Bad Movie dichotomy?
 
2013-06-12 11:31:00 AM  
Uh, really?  I didn't have a problem about SR being too reverential to the previous films because it was supposed to be a "proper" follow up to Superman and Superman II ya idjits~!

DamnYankees: Ugh, its RT score is bad. Are we being set up for the all time winner in the Great Trailer/Bad Movie dichotomy?


You mean like every other DC movie that wasn't Batman?
 
2013-06-12 11:31:45 AM  

Rwa2play: You mean like every other DC movie that wasn't Batman?


I can't even think of any other ones. The Green Lantern?
 
2013-06-12 11:33:24 AM  

DamnYankees: Rwa2play: You mean like every other DC movie that wasn't Batman?

I can't even think of any other ones. The Green Lantern?


Superman Returns...
 
2013-06-12 11:34:08 AM  

DamnYankees: Ugh, its RT score is bad. Are we being set up for the all time winner in the Great Trailer/Bad Movie dichotomy?


2 out of 3 critics liking it isn't exactly bad. I'm thinking this movie might be one of the most scrutinized of all time as the expectations are sky high. I'm giving it an extra 20% on it's RT score, based on this fact alone. Some of the more negative reviews I've seen were complaining about there being too much action. Maybe the critics were expecting something more plodding?
 
2013-06-12 11:35:38 AM  

BigSnatch: DamnYankees: Ugh, its RT score is bad. Are we being set up for the all time winner in the Great Trailer/Bad Movie dichotomy?

2 out of 3 critics liking it isn't exactly bad. I'm thinking this movie might be one of the most scrutinized of all time as the expectations are sky high. I'm giving it an extra 20% on it's RT score, based on this fact alone. Some of the more negative reviews I've seen were complaining about there being too much action. Maybe the critics were expecting something more plodding?


If this were some generic action/superhero movie, it sounds like it would be "good enough".  Considering the hype and expectations behind MoS however, this might not be enough.
 
2013-06-12 11:36:32 AM  

DamnYankees: Ugh, its RT score is bad. Are we being set up for the all time winner in the Great Trailer/Bad Movie dichotomy?


Uh, how is the RT score bad when it's fresh? It's bad when it's rotten.

Anyway, from the reviews I got this:

1.- A bunch of critics wanted another Donner-like movie. They're probably old as fark and should shut up.
2.- Another bunch has a visceral hate for Snyder. Seems to me they can't understand his over the top style. They're also probably old as fark too.

Check these gems out:

"Despite an obscene budget that could have made a giant stride in the cure for cancer, there isn't much originality, and the whole endeavor appears to be the work of grown men who never outgrew puberty. "

Originality? Really? And taking potshot about comics and immaturity? -_-'

"Mostly, the minutes stretch into great expanses of blahness, much of them filled with Transformers-grade skyscraper snapping and bloodless catastrophe. "

Gee, because a Pg-13 Superman movie is going to have Tarantino levels of gore. CLEARLY.

""Man of Steel" has too many characters and too much plot, resulting in a movie that feels overstuffed and overlong. "

Too much plot? WTf is "too much plot"? One reviewer complains about it being shallow and another too complex?

Get freaking real. Movie reviewers... like anuses who get paid to write.
 
2013-06-12 11:39:21 AM  
It seems like the sites that love comic books and/or who are known to gush over superhero films (IGN, Den of Geek, AICN, etc) love it, while the real critics point out that the movie is typical of Zak Snyder films -- wooden characters, over-emphasis on visual effects, style over substance, etc etc.

As such, the masses will love it, and it'll break $100 million this weekend. The critics are so out of whack with modern sensibilities that you can almost predict what will be a blockbuster with the following formula:

average ticket price(number of rabid franchise fans) * (100 - metacritic score) * marketing budget in units per million dollars spent = box office for first weekend

And that might even be a conservative formula.
 
2013-06-12 11:41:42 AM  
So basically it refreshes the story in modern era, updates characters for current times, casts aside old hang overs, and then for the last half of the movie we get to see Superman be farking Superman

I'm sold

oi49.tinypic.com

You know what the best past of Superman Returns was? The plane sequence, him saving everyone on that plane Superman style and then stepping out onto the wing to a roaring crowd at a farking baseball game of all places.

THAT was farking superman, then we got winy emo biatch for the rest of the movie
 
2013-06-12 11:46:45 AM  
Maybe it's the context in which it's used in the film, but the score in a vacuum- unlike what the article mentioned - is not forgettable.  I have been listening to it constantly for the past 24 hours, track #17 is incredible (basically the theme from the trailer slightly rearranged).  It's not quite there with the iconic Williams' theme, but it is FAR from forgettable.
 
2013-06-12 11:47:07 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: You know what the best past of Superman Returns was? The plane sequence, him saving everyone on that plane Superman style and then stepping out onto the wing to a roaring crowd at a farking baseball game of all places.


jesus on a cracker yes.  Hell, I still cheer when I watch that scene.

/and then I turn the movie off, it is all downhill from there.  The scene itself holds up spectacularly well however.
 
2013-06-12 11:47:27 AM  
I'll be satisfied as long as it's another exciting real estate caper!
 
2013-06-12 11:48:14 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: So basically it refreshes the story in modern era, updates characters for current times, casts aside old hang overs, and then for the last half of the movie we get to see Superman be farking Superman

I'm sold

[oi49.tinypic.com image 500x281]

You know what the best past of Superman Returns was? The plane sequence, him saving everyone on that plane Superman style and then stepping out onto the wing to a roaring crowd at a farking baseball game of all places.

THAT was farking superman, then we got winy emo biatch for the rest of the movie


The whole time I was watching "Superman Returns" I was expecting to see Ned Beatty or Richard Pryor. Somebody needed to tell them that 1983 was thirty years ago.
 
2013-06-12 11:50:50 AM  

frepnog: /and then I turn the movie off, it is all downhill from there. The scene itself holds up spectacularly well however.


The ONLY other scene worth watching is when he catches the car and we get that throwback nod to the Action Comics, but yes I do the same. Watch that and then forget the rest of the movie exists.
 
2013-06-12 11:51:44 AM  

DamnYankees: Ugh, its RT score is bad. Are we being set up for the all time winner in the Great Trailer/Bad Movie dichotomy?


71% isn't anywhere close to bad.  I even saw a negative review that was essentially the guy complaining that he never liked Superman in the first place and it was too mainstream of a movie.
 
2013-06-12 11:54:10 AM  

rocky_howard: Anyway, from the reviews I got this:

1.- A bunch of critics wanted another Donner-like movie. They're probably old as fark and should shut up.
2.- Another bunch has a visceral hate for Snyder. Seems to me they can't understand his over the top style. They're also probably old as fark too.

Check these gems out:

"Despite an obscene budget that could have made a giant stride in the cure for cancer, there isn't much originality, and the whole endeavor appears to be the work of grown men who never outgrew puberty. "

Originality? Really? And taking potshot about comics and immaturity? -_-'

"Mostly, the minutes stretch into great expanses of blahness, much of them filled with Transformers-grade skyscraper snapping and bloodless catastrophe. "

Gee, because a Pg-13 Superman movie is going to have Tarantino levels of gore. CLEARLY.

""Man of Steel" has too many characters and too much plot, resulting in a movie that feels overstuffed and overlong. "

Too much plot? WTf is "too much plot"? One reviewer complains about it being shallow and another too complex?

Get freaking real. Movie reviewers... like anuses who get paid to write.


So much THIS. I enjoy a good movie review when it is well thought-out and makes excellent points, but I've come to the conclusion that many critics just phone it in, particularly for the films that get a lot of hype. I never ceases to amaze me how so many critics can watch the same movie and come to completely different conclusions (e.g., the "shallow" vs. "too much plot" criticisms of MoS), yet none of them can coherently explain how they came to said polarized conclusions.
 
2013-06-12 11:58:32 AM  

Sargun: DamnYankees: Ugh, its RT score is bad. Are we being set up for the all time winner in the Great Trailer/Bad Movie dichotomy?

71% isn't anywhere close to bad.  I even saw a negative review that was essentially the guy complaining that he never liked Superman in the first place and it was too mainstream of a movie.


Yes, yes, yes...but what does Armond White have to say? Only then, will I truly know what I should believe about the movie...since I generaly go the opposite way.
 
2013-06-12 12:03:17 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: So basically it refreshes the story in modern era, updates characters for current times, casts aside old hang overs, and then for the last half of the movie we get to see Superman be farking Superman

I'm sold

[oi49.tinypic.com image 500x281]

You know what the best past of Superman Returns was? The plane sequence, him saving everyone on that plane Superman style and then stepping out onto the wing to a roaring crowd at a farking baseball game of all places.

THAT was farking superman, then we got winy emo biatch for the rest of the movie


Agreed 100%.

We see Superman let loose and kick ass like we've been saying we want for years? They'll get my money.
 
2013-06-12 12:09:24 PM  

Jaws75: rocky_howard: Anyway, from the reviews I got this:

1.- A bunch of critics wanted another Donner-like movie. They're probably old as fark and should shut up.
2.- Another bunch has a visceral hate for Snyder. Seems to me they can't understand his over the top style. They're also probably old as fark too.

Check these gems out:

"Despite an obscene budget that could have made a giant stride in the cure for cancer, there isn't much originality, and the whole endeavor appears to be the work of grown men who never outgrew puberty. "

Originality? Really? And taking potshot about comics and immaturity? -_-'

"Mostly, the minutes stretch into great expanses of blahness, much of them filled with Transformers-grade skyscraper snapping and bloodless catastrophe. "

Gee, because a Pg-13 Superman movie is going to have Tarantino levels of gore. CLEARLY.

""Man of Steel" has too many characters and too much plot, resulting in a movie that feels overstuffed and overlong. "

Too much plot? WTf is "too much plot"? One reviewer complains about it being shallow and another too complex?

Get freaking real. Movie reviewers... like anuses who get paid to write.

So much THIS. I enjoy a good movie review when it is well thought-out and makes excellent points, but I've come to the conclusion that many critics just phone it in, particularly for the films that get a lot of hype. I never ceases to amaze me how so many critics can watch the same movie and come to completely different conclusions (e.g., the "shallow" vs. "too much plot" criticisms of MoS), yet none of them can coherently explain how they came to said polarized conclusions.


That's probably the reason I enjoyed Eberts reviews so much.  Sure his reviews didn't always match popular opinion but at least he would explain why he felt that way about the film.
 
2013-06-12 12:10:20 PM  

Jaws75: So much THIS. I enjoy a good movie review when it is well thought-out and makes excellent points, but I've come to the conclusion that many critics just phone it in, particularly for the films that get a lot of hype. I never ceases to amaze me how so many critics can watch the same movie and come to completely different conclusions (e.g., the "shallow" vs. "too much plot" criticisms of MoS), yet none of them can coherently explain how they came to said polarized conclusions.


So, do we miss Roger Ebert yet?

Seriously, I imagine an Ebert review that would have (a) talked about how much fun this was, and whether or not it was any good; and (b) set it in the context of previous Superman depictions at least as far back as George Reeves, while discussing the evolution of the Superman mythos as a mirror of the culture of the times. Ebert didn't just tell you what he thought, he explained why he thought that; and he reviewed summer blockbusters on their own merits.
 
2013-06-12 12:13:52 PM  

czetie: Seriously, I imagine an Ebert review that would have (a) talked about how much fun this was, and whether or not it was any good; and (b) set it in the context of previous Superman depictions at least as far back as George Reeves, while discussing the evolution of the Superman mythos as a mirror of the culture of the times. Ebert didn't just tell you what he thought, he explained why he thought that; and he reviewed summer blockbusters on their own merits.


There are only a couple that can barely hold a candle to him, Bob Mondello over at LA Times and NPR comes to mind
 
2013-06-12 12:19:45 PM  
"Despite an obscene budget that could have made a giant stride in the cure for cancer, there isn't much originality, and the whole endeavor appears to be the work of grown men who never outgrew puberty. "

Originality? Really? And taking potshot about comics and immaturity? -_-'


BTW, this is written by Rex Reed, a 74-year old who thought Dark Knight was in continuity with Batman 89 and wondered why Jack Nicholson wasn't there:

http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/2012/12/tribute-to-rex-reed-hydrox-poor- ma ns-armond-white

He also didn't like Oldboy. That should tell you everything about him.
 
2013-06-12 12:21:05 PM  

rocky_howard: DamnYankees: Ugh, its RT score is bad. Are we being set up for the all time winner in the Great Trailer/Bad Movie dichotomy?

Uh, how is the RT score bad when it's fresh? It's bad when it's rotten.

Anyway, from the reviews I got this:

1.- A bunch of critics wanted another Donner-like movie. They're probably old as fark and should shut up.
2.- Another bunch has a visceral hate for Snyder. Seems to me they can't understand his over the top style. They're also probably old as fark too.

Check these gems out:

"Despite an obscene budget that could have made a giant stride in the cure for cancer, there isn't much originality, and the whole endeavor appears to be the work of grown men who never outgrew puberty. "

Originality? Really? And taking potshot about comics and immaturity? -_-'

"Mostly, the minutes stretch into great expanses of blahness, much of them filled with Transformers-grade skyscraper snapping and bloodless catastrophe. "

Gee, because a Pg-13 Superman movie is going to have Tarantino levels of gore. CLEARLY.

""Man of Steel" has too many characters and too much plot, resulting in a movie that feels overstuffed and overlong. "

Too much plot? WTf is "too much plot"? One reviewer complains about it being shallow and another too complex?

Get freaking real. Movie reviewers... like anuses who get paid to write.


Seriously.  It's Superman.  Everything I've heard, even from the negative reviews, make this sound like a good Superman movie.  If I want Shakespeare I'll go see Shakespeare, because that comes out next week.
 
2013-06-12 12:23:03 PM  
Complaint 1 was that block of wood in a red cape. Complaint 2 was a teen surfer girl playin Lois Lane.
 
2013-06-12 12:27:02 PM  

FTA:

Even characters previously toyed with a little for fun, such as Daily Planet editor Perry White (now in the guise of Laurence Fishburne), are now part of the darker world that's put across here.

O.O

//hides.
 
2013-06-12 12:45:53 PM  
Sargun:  I even saw a negative review that was essentially the guy complaining that he never liked Superman in the first place and it was too mainstream of a movie.

and this is why paying attention to movie critics is dumb. Well, it's one of many reasons, but my point remains.
 
2013-06-12 12:47:16 PM  

Uncle Pooky: Sargun:  I even saw a negative review that was essentially the guy complaining that he never liked Superman in the first place and it was too mainstream of a movie.

and this is why paying attention to movie critics is dumb. Well, it's one of many reasons, but my point remains.


The only "critics" I pay attention to are friends of mine with either similar tastes, or those who know my tastes well enough to know if I'd like a movie, even if they don't.
 
2013-06-12 12:53:40 PM  
I will see this movie and I will enjoy it.
 
2013-06-12 12:54:47 PM  
I don't even pay attention to the critics. If the trailer makes the movie look interesting, I'll go see it.
 
2013-06-12 12:56:18 PM  
Bart Scott said it best:

CAN'T WAIT!
 
2013-06-12 12:56:41 PM  

DamnYankees: Are we being set up for the all time winner in the Great Trailer/Bad Movie dichotomy?


It would have to be something special to outdo "Battle: Los Angeles."
Whoever made that trailer should have gotten an Oscar.
 
2013-06-12 12:58:21 PM  

rocky_howard: "Despite an obscene budget that could have made a giant stride in the cure for cancer, there isn't much originality, and the whole endeavor appears to be the work of grown men who never outgrew puberty. "

Originality? Really? And taking potshot about comics and immaturity? -_-'

BTW, this is written by Rex Reed, a 74-year old who thought Dark Knight was in continuity with Batman 89 and wondered why Jack Nicholson wasn't there:

http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/2012/12/tribute-to-rex-reed-hydrox-poor- ma ns-armond-white

He also didn't like Oldboy. That should tell you everything about him.


I would have bet the farm that Rex Reed had died years ago, you sure they just didn't re-print his critique from the first Superman movie?
 
2013-06-12 01:00:38 PM  
Any review that criticizes a film for having "too much action" is not a review I want to concern myself with.
 
2013-06-12 01:01:38 PM  

Sargun: DamnYankees: Ugh, its RT score is bad. Are we being set up for the all time winner in the Great Trailer/Bad Movie dichotomy?

71% isn't anywhere close to bad.  I even saw a negative review that was essentially the guy complaining that he never liked Superman in the first place and it was too mainstream of a movie.


Not close to bad? Well it's down to 68% now. And don't forget, Superman Returns got 76%, and look how it's been vilified as the years go on.
 
2013-06-12 01:06:38 PM  
I can't wait to see this movie.
 
2013-06-12 01:12:46 PM  

texdent: I don't even pay attention to the critics. If the trailer makes the movie look interesting, I'll go see it.


Depends on the trailer for this one.  There was this quieter and sentimental trailer that I really liked and seemed like a movie I would definitely enjoy.  And then there was every other trailer after that which was all punching stuff and things exploding, which seemed quite a bit less interesting.  The reviews I've skimmed make the movie sound closer to the latter.
 
2013-06-12 01:17:31 PM  

MooseMuffin: texdent: I don't even pay attention to the critics. If the trailer makes the movie look interesting, I'll go see it.

Depends on the trailer for this one.  There was this quieter and sentimental trailer that I really liked and seemed like a movie I would definitely enjoy.  And then there was every other trailer after that which was all punching stuff and things exploding, which seemed quite a bit less interesting.  The reviews I've skimmed make the movie sound closer to the latter.


Because when I want quiet, sentimental stories, I think of Superman.
 
2013-06-12 01:19:52 PM  

un4gvn666: Any review that criticizes a film for having "too much action" is not a review I want to concern myself with.


I suspect that "too much action" is code for "cannot tell whether shaky-cam is a stylistic affectation or the cameraman just had a seizure during the final cut".  Or since it's Snyder, possibly code for "if you ever played the video at normal speed this movie's pacing would be significantly more tolerable".
 
2013-06-12 01:20:42 PM  

Uncle Pooky: Sargun:  I even saw a negative review that was essentially the guy complaining that he never liked Superman in the first place and it was too mainstream of a movie.

and this is why paying attention to movie critics is dumb. Well, it's one of many reasons, but my point remains.


And this is why paying attention to A movie critic (singular) is dumb. Getting your aggregate score is not, especially when there are lots of specimens of diarrhea masquerading as movies out there, asking you to fork over $11 to get sprayed by fecal matter.
 
2013-06-12 01:21:49 PM  

un4gvn666: Any review that criticizes a film for having "too much action" is not a review I want to concern myself with.


So you enjoyed such eternal classics as Transformers 2 and 3?
 
2013-06-12 01:22:21 PM  
FTA:  "....and if you've got an allergy where lots of handheld shaky shots are concerned, you may want to turn your popcorn in now. Furthermore, the last act feels like a bucket of CG being liberally emptied onto the screen."


....and, I'm out.

Will someone please go see this steaming pile for me so I can at least know why Supes has exhaust contrails?
 
2013-06-12 01:24:20 PM  
IdBeCrazyIf:
You know what the best past of Superman Returns was? The plane sequence, him saving everyone on that plane Superman style and then stepping out onto the wing to a roaring crowd at a farking baseball game of all places.

THAT was farking superman, then we got winy emo biatch for the rest of the movie


That sequence was impressive.  But it was NOT Superman.   In Superman's hands, the plane would not have crumbled.   Just like the continental mass he threw into space did not crumble.  Same movie, different metaphysics (this was dumb).

The best scene in Superman Returns was the bullet in the eye scene.

I hope someone creates a copy of MOS with the classic soundtrack at some point.
 
2013-06-12 01:25:40 PM  

texdent: I don't even pay attention to the critics. If the trailer makes the movie look interesting, I'll go see it.


Sure, I mean, playing devil's advocate here, if the movie was 145 minutes of pure dogsh*t and 3 min of awesomeness, which set do you think the trailer edit monkey at Warner Bros. ended up splicing together?

You get fleeced by Uwe Boll and Michael Bay a lot, don't you?
 
2013-06-12 01:27:33 PM  

Rhypskallion: IdBeCrazyIf:
You know what the best past of Superman Returns was? The plane sequence, him saving everyone on that plane Superman style and then stepping out onto the wing to a roaring crowd at a farking baseball game of all places.

THAT was farking superman, then we got winy emo biatch for the rest of the movie

That sequence was impressive.  But it was NOT Superman.   In Superman's hands, the plane would not have crumbled.   Just like the continental mass he threw into space did not crumble.  Same movie, different metaphysics (this was dumb).

The best scene in Superman Returns was the bullet in the eye scene.

I hope someone creates a copy of MOS with the classic soundtrack at some point.


Now do that with Danny Elfman's Batman score on top of The Dark Knight rises, then smack yourself repeatedly until you apologize.
 
2013-06-12 01:28:15 PM  

coeyagi: un4gvn666: Any review that criticizes a film for having "too much action" is not a review I want to concern myself with.

So you enjoyed such eternal classics as Transformers 2 and 3?


The Transformers films weren't bad because of "too much action", so your comparison is shiat. Those movies were bad because the story made no farking sense, the characterization was completely changed from the cartoons, and farking Shy Lebeef was allowed to show his face on the screen without having it immediately punched.
 
2013-06-12 01:31:49 PM  

un4gvn666: coeyagi: un4gvn666: Any review that criticizes a film for having "too much action" is not a review I want to concern myself with.

So you enjoyed such eternal classics as Transformers 2 and 3?

The Transformers films weren't bad because of "too much action", so your comparison is shiat. Those movies were bad because the story made no farking sense, the characterization was completely changed from the cartoons, and farking Shy Lebeef was allowed to show his face on the screen without having it immediately punched.


Your logic is dogsh*t, bro.  The story made no sense because they just wanted a bunch of action sequences and didn't spend time developing a good story or characterizations.  You typically can't make a good story if you are just blowing up shiat and not having characters interact verbally.
 
2013-06-12 01:33:42 PM  

coeyagi: un4gvn666: coeyagi: un4gvn666: Any review that criticizes a film for having "too much action" is not a review I want to concern myself with.

So you enjoyed such eternal classics as Transformers 2 and 3?

The Transformers films weren't bad because of "too much action", so your comparison is shiat. Those movies were bad because the story made no farking sense, the characterization was completely changed from the cartoons, and farking Shy Lebeef was allowed to show his face on the screen without having it immediately punched.

Your logic is dogsh*t, bro.  The story made no sense because they just wanted a bunch of action sequences and didn't spend time developing a good story or characterizations.  You typically can't make a good story if you are just blowing up shiat and not having characters interact verbally.


Have you watched Man of Steel already? Hint: It has a lot of verbal interaction. Heck, another reviewer said it has "too much plot", so what the fark does that tell you?
 
2013-06-12 01:34:05 PM  

coeyagi: un4gvn666: coeyagi: un4gvn666: Any review that criticizes a film for having "too much action" is not a review I want to concern myself with.

So you enjoyed such eternal classics as Transformers 2 and 3?

The Transformers films weren't bad because of "too much action", so your comparison is shiat. Those movies were bad because the story made no farking sense, the characterization was completely changed from the cartoons, and farking Shy Lebeef was allowed to show his face on the screen without having it immediately punched.

Your logic is dogsh*t, bro.  The story made no sense because they just wanted a bunch of action sequences and didn't spend time developing a good story or characterizations.  You typically can't make a good story if you are just blowing up shiat and not having characters interact verbally.


"Too much action" and "really good story" are not mutually exclusive.
 
2013-06-12 01:34:11 PM  
Damn I wish I could read a review of this movie by Roger Ebert.  Even if he didn't like it, I know he would at least explain in detail why.
 
2013-06-12 01:34:54 PM  
un4gvn666:
"Too much action" and "really good story" are not mutually exclusive.

I meant "Lots of action"
 
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