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(The Morning Call)   Man goes all WWE sleeper-hold on his friend and thinks he was just sleeping after he lost consciousness. Then he waits a day to call 911. Yes, alcohol was involved   (mcall.com) divider line 45
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2013-06-12 08:44:22 AM
Did he at least try to tap out?
 
2013-06-12 08:47:37 AM
It's still real to his friend, damn it.
 
2013-06-12 10:33:55 AM
a "rear naked choke hold

Kinky.
 
2013-06-12 10:36:10 AM

boarch: a "rear naked choke hold

Kinky.


Isn't that a reach around?
 
2013-06-12 10:37:56 AM
was it on pay per view?
 
2013-06-12 10:38:18 AM
eyemarten

boarch: a "rear naked choke hold

Kinky.

Isn't that a reach around?


In some countries... here you have to pay extra.
 
2013-06-12 10:38:33 AM
Prudence is such a rare virtue these days.
 
2013-06-12 10:39:50 AM
He is charged with homicide instead of accidental manslaughter.  It'll be a hard case to prove either way. I want to go forward in time and read the follow up.
 
2013-06-12 10:41:16 AM
Yes, dumbass, chokes are lethal.  The reason why Judo and MMA chokes are not lethal is because they are trained and the chokee knows when to tap out or the ref is their to step in.  I saw it on the TeeBee!
 
2013-06-12 10:41:54 AM
Why was that article written in bold?
 
2013-06-12 10:42:27 AM
Sounds like he did the move wrong and suffocated the guy.
 
2013-06-12 10:44:38 AM

berylman: I want to go forward in time


It would appear you've been successful so far.
 
2013-06-12 10:45:25 AM
see? they'z just as redneck as we iz here in the souf!!
 
2013-06-12 10:46:23 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QrsBlDDA0Lg

perfect place to put this, and everyone should watch, because this isn't the first time this shiat has happened.
 
2013-06-12 10:50:22 AM
Fifty two and fifty three.  They lasted that long.
 
2013-06-12 10:50:34 AM
I knocked my brother out with the Million Dollar Dream when I was a kid.  Scared the fark out of me, but he's no more brain damaged than he was before
 
2013-06-12 10:52:14 AM
I guess wrestling is real to this guy.
 
2013-06-12 10:54:25 AM

iaazathot: Yes, dumbass, chokes are lethal.  The reason why Judo and MMA chokes are not lethal is because they are trained and the chokee knows when to tap out or the ref is their to step in.  I saw it on the TeeBee!


also, you should pay close attention to the other person, the moment they stop fighting back or start to go weak, you relent.  (I'm one of those jerks who doesn't know when he's beat, so I rarely tap out for chokes.  plus, passing out is fun.  i will, however, tap out for certain ankle locks and arm locks -- i heard rumors that there is not always a satisfactory pain warning before broken -- not a set of theories i have any interest in testing)

/ hah, i ITG'ed.  in truth, i haven't done any MMA related nonsense in like 5 years. was never any good.  just had fun.  did the wrestling stuff, never got into punching and kicking.
 
2013-06-12 10:56:07 AM
Charles Derr win?
 
2013-06-12 10:57:39 AM

boarch: a "rear naked choke hold

Kinky.


Wonder how many Republicans use that on their chickens.
 
2013-06-12 10:58:32 AM
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2013-06-12 11:03:45 AM

iaazathot: Yes, dumbass, chokes are lethal.  The reason why Judo and MMA chokes are not lethal is because they are trained and the chokee knows when to tap out or the ref is their to step in.  I saw it on the TeeBee!


A trained martial artist uses a choking technique that blocks blood flow in the arteries in your neck to your head. It does have risks, but they're fairly minimal. In virtually all cases, someone who fails to tap out will just go limp and can easily be revived.

Most people trying to do what they see on the TeeBee block air to the lungs. This is very dangerous and should never be done.
 
2013-06-12 11:05:18 AM
CSB:

One day we were at a party.  I was out back hanging out with a couple of dudes.  Suddenly my wife comes running outside to tell us that a fight has broken out in the front.  Some dude, who apparently was rather drunk and unstable took objection to one of the kids wearing camoflauge fatigues.  He's a kid, jerkoff...

Anyway...  He was really laying into the kid.  When us other guys came around the corner, one of my friends already had subdued the jerkoff in a sleeper hold.  Dude went down like a badly erected tent.  Never seen anything quite like that.

In the end, all I could say to my friend was, I promise to never get into a fight with you.
Thing is, he is a big dude.  And he could have pounded that other dude senseless, but opted for the sleeper instead.  What I didn't know about this guy before was that, earlier in life, he was a professional MMA fighter.


The lesson to be learned here is, know who you pick a fight with.
 
2013-06-12 11:05:56 AM
Man kills friend.  Makes up bullsh*it story.  Farker runs with it.
 
2013-06-12 11:06:34 AM
What scares me is that I could easily to this to my friends, who I like and do NOT want dead. Time to cut back on the alcohol.
 
2013-06-12 11:10:11 AM
GOODNIGHT IRENE!
 
2013-06-12 11:15:49 AM
Turns out he was tapping out but the referee got run into earlier in the match and has been down for 20 minutes.
 
2013-06-12 11:16:22 AM
This was a "thing to do" when I was in H.S. I remember walking the track during gym
with my friend Maggie and she asked me to do it to her. I was about 6 inches taller
than she was and I guess the leverage was perfect. She went down like a rock and
started twitching. For those few seconds before she came to, I thought for sure that
I had just killed my best friend.

I never did it to anyone else ever again after that.

Nobody was ever able to do it to me because I was taller than all of my friends.
 
2013-06-12 11:16:25 AM
WOO!
 
2013-06-12 11:18:05 AM
Yes was gonna bring up Benoiting his friend...but Mag took care of it.

Carry on.

fWc 4 life!
 
2013-06-12 11:22:07 AM
www.demotivationalposters.org
 
2013-06-12 11:29:21 AM
If you get a choke hold on you, you only have a few seconds to get out of it before you go night night. Luckily, I have been trained in the ways of self defense and I know how to get out of them, should they ever get applied to my person, which is unlikely.
 
2013-06-12 11:32:23 AM

bhcompy: I knocked my brother out with the Million Dollar Dream when I was a kid.  Scared the fark out of me, but he's no more brain damaged than he was before


My brother put me in a figure four and nearly broke my damn leg.
 
2013-06-12 11:50:48 AM

Clash City Farker: If you get a choke hold on you, you only have a few seconds to get out of it before you go night night. Luckily, I have been trained in the ways of self defense and I know how to get out of them, should they ever get applied to my person, which is unlikely.


Thanks for posting that! I know it was difficult for you to find the time to educate us, seeing as how you have to be at the gym in 26 minutes and all.
 
2013-06-12 12:01:38 PM

Clash City Farker: If you get a choke hold on you, you only have a few seconds to get out of it before you go night night. Luckily, I have been trained in the ways of self defense and I know how to get out of them, should they ever get applied to my person, which is unlikely.


Umm... if someone slaps an RNC on you, you are in big trouble, even the best escapes are pretty low %.
 
2013-06-12 12:04:28 PM

Beta Tested: Clash City Farker: If you get a choke hold on you, you only have a few seconds to get out of it before you go night night. Luckily, I have been trained in the ways of self defense and I know how to get out of them, should they ever get applied to my person, which is unlikely.

Umm... if someone slaps an RNC on you, you are in big trouble, even the best escapes are pretty low %.


It's time for the old sack squeeze and twist maneuver!
 
2013-06-12 12:09:57 PM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: iaazathot: Yes, dumbass, chokes are lethal.  The reason why Judo and MMA chokes are not lethal is because they are trained and the chokee knows when to tap out or the ref is their to step in.  I saw it on the TeeBee!

A trained martial artist uses a choking technique that blocks blood flow in the arteries in your neck to your head. It does have risks, but they're fairly minimal. In virtually all cases, someone who fails to tap out will just go limp and can easily be revived.

Most people trying to do what they see on the TeeBee block air to the lungs. This is very dangerous and should never be done.


I'm not a doctor, but blocking blood to the brain should be much more dangerous than blocking ventilation.
 
2013-06-12 12:14:47 PM

Clash City Farker: If you get a choke hold on you, you only have a few seconds to get out of it before you go night night.


Depends what kind of choke, really.  This being a blood choke, though, yeah.  That's why 99% of it is learning to let go fast the moment it seems like your opponent isn't responding, you can put people out faster than they can tap pretty easily and if you stick it the shiat in TFA can happen.

That said, you pretty much have to put yourself into one of these voluntarily (usually by getting into an official wrestling match with hold restrictions and so on), which is why this kind of thing usually happens with stupid kids horsing around and not really anything else.  In an actual self-defense situation even an untrained person would not let you take their back like that, even idiots get twitchy when someone comes up on them from behind.  So... self-defense doesn't really apply, if it gets to this point you've already lost (probably because you engaged in the first place).
 
2013-06-12 12:18:02 PM

Fallout Boy: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: iaazathot: Yes, dumbass, chokes are lethal.  The reason why Judo and MMA chokes are not lethal is because they are trained and the chokee knows when to tap out or the ref is their to step in.  I saw it on the TeeBee!

A trained martial artist uses a choking technique that blocks blood flow in the arteries in your neck to your head. It does have risks, but they're fairly minimal. In virtually all cases, someone who fails to tap out will just go limp and can easily be revived.

Most people trying to do what they see on the TeeBee block air to the lungs. This is very dangerous and should never be done.

I'm not a doctor, but blocking blood to the brain should be much more dangerous than blocking ventilation.


Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: iaazathot: Yes, dumbass, chokes are lethal.  The reason why Judo and MMA chokes are not lethal is because they are trained and the chokee knows when to tap out or the ref is their to step in.  I saw it on the TeeBee!

A trained martial artist uses a choking technique that blocks blood flow in the arteries in your neck to your head. It does have risks, but they're fairly minimal. In virtually all cases, someone who fails to tap out will just go limp and can easily be revived.

Most people trying to do what they see on the TeeBee block air to the lungs. This is very dangerous and should never be done.


blood strangles are far, far, far more dangerous that windpipe attacks. People can function without air a hell of a lot longer than they can function without blood to the brain. Please never repeat this incredibly dangerous piece of misadvice.

That said, 6.789/10 would have given moar points for better use of jargon
 
2013-06-12 12:19:08 PM

Jim_Callahan: Depends what kind of choke, really.  This being a blood choke, though, yeah.  That's why 99% of it is learning to let go fast the moment it seems like your opponent isn't responding, you can put people out faster than they can tap pretty easily and if you stick it the shiat in TFA can happen.

That said, you pretty much have to put yourself into one of these voluntarily (usually by getting into an official wrestling match with hold restrictions and so on), which is why this kind of thing usually happens with stupid kids horsing around and not really anything else.  In an actual self-defense situation even an untrained person would not let you take their back like that, even idiots get twitchy when someone comes up on them from behind.  So... self-defense doesn't really apply, if it gets to this point you've already lost (probably because you engaged in the first place).


An RNC is an excellent self-defense weapon, people that haven't trained wrestling or some other grappling sport give up their back almost instantly.  I haven't been in an actual fight since I was a child but the first thing new people (or friends) do in any type of grappling match is practically hand you their back.
 
2013-06-12 12:35:13 PM
 Derr admitted to police that he placed Stillwell in a move he described as a "rear naked choke hold" during the fight, police said. Derr told police Stillwell's body went limp, but he thought he fell asleep.

It's the eponymy, stupid.
 
2013-06-12 12:46:10 PM

willfullyobscure: Fallout Boy: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: iaazathot: Yes, dumbass, chokes are lethal.  The reason why Judo and MMA chokes are not lethal is because they are trained and the chokee knows when to tap out or the ref is their to step in.  I saw it on the TeeBee!

A trained martial artist uses a choking technique that blocks blood flow in the arteries in your neck to your head. It does have risks, but they're fairly minimal. In virtually all cases, someone who fails to tap out will just go limp and can easily be revived.

Most people trying to do what they see on the TeeBee block air to the lungs. This is very dangerous and should never be done.

I'm not a doctor, but blocking blood to the brain should be much more dangerous than blocking ventilation.

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: iaazathot: Yes, dumbass, chokes are lethal.  The reason why Judo and MMA chokes are not lethal is because they are trained and the chokee knows when to tap out or the ref is their to step in.  I saw it on the TeeBee!

A trained martial artist uses a choking technique that blocks blood flow in the arteries in your neck to your head. It does have risks, but they're fairly minimal. In virtually all cases, someone who fails to tap out will just go limp and can easily be revived.

Most people trying to do what they see on the TeeBee block air to the lungs. This is very dangerous and should never be done.

blood strangles are far, far, far more dangerous that windpipe attacks. People can function without air a hell of a lot longer than they can function without blood to the brain. Please never repeat this incredibly dangerous piece of misadvice.

That said, 6.789/10 would have given moar points for better use of jargon


This...
 
2013-06-13 12:22:28 AM

Fallout Boy: I'm not a doctor, but blocking blood to the brain should be much more dangerous than blocking ventilation.


Nope.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_choke#Blood_choke

I was taught the technique by LEO at the PAL club where I used to train, back before tazers, when it was pretty common to use it to subdue someone. They had all used it hundreds of times with no fatalities.
 
2013-06-13 12:36:27 PM
Fallout Boy:I'm not a doctor, but blocking blood to the brain should be much more dangerous than blocking ventilation.

Out of context, it is, which is why many doctors who refuse to consider the reasons why a person might be choked intentionally will insist that suffocation is less dangerous.

Unfortunately, "technically correct" is only the best kind of correct in the controlled conditions of a laboratory or courtroom, which is why people who are being physically attacked with lethal force prefer to go to cops, soldiers, and big tough looking guys for help escaping the attacker instead of doctors and lawyers. And, as it turns out, statistical research limited in scope to such outbreaks of violence shows that blood-blocking chokeholds are indeed less likely to cause permanent harm than closing off the flow of oxygen.

/for some reason, ending the fight quickly seems to result in a greater overall survival rate for all parties than letting it drag on until one side is out of breath
//not to mention the damage a person panicking because they can't breathe tends to do to themself and the environment, versus someone who often doesn't even realize the hand on their neck is about to knock them out until everything goes dark
 
2013-06-13 10:57:01 PM

Tatterdemalian: statistical research limited in scope to such outbreaks of violence shows that blood-blocking chokeholds are indeed less likely to cause permanent harm than closing off the flow of oxygen.


citation needed, Joe.
 
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