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2013-06-12 08:36:13 AM
blogs.desmoinesregister.com
 
2013-06-12 09:02:55 AM
So basically the upside on this is enormous!
 
2013-06-12 10:01:01 AM
Extreme heat, high winds and terrain make it very difficult. At one point yesterday, we had fires in 4 different locations. It will be interesting to see what happens today, the morning winds are just starting.
 
2013-06-12 10:08:44 AM
funnyasduck.net
 
2013-06-12 10:08:54 AM
May not the be firefighter's fault after all.
 
2013-06-12 10:10:02 AM
we didn't start the fire
 
2013-06-12 10:10:24 AM
Subby, feel free to pick up a Pulaski and start building line.
 
2013-06-12 10:11:00 AM
Perhaps subby would like to leave his air-conditioned office, slap on his John Varvatos', and show the firefighters how it's done?  You know, because you've seen Backdraft like a dozen times.
 
2013-06-12 10:11:26 AM
we don't need no water let the motherfarker burn?

/burn motherfarker burn?
 
2013-06-12 10:15:43 AM
We could put the fire out just by suffocating it with subby's laziness.
 
2013-06-12 10:16:02 AM
I thought we preferred `free-range' things? Or does that only apply to chicken, eggs & beef - not fire?
 
2013-06-12 10:16:48 AM
Thanks to the annoying habit of televised news to report it as such, Subby is yet another moron who thinks "percent contained" means "how much out the fire is."

Here's a fun tip though: The actual percentage is usually about double what the plans chief says it is. Which in this case, I suppose, is zero.
 
2013-06-12 10:17:25 AM
Until you've seen an actual wind-driven wildfire in action, I wouldn't be so smug there, subtard. Thats one of the fires in Texas a couple years ago. A fire can travel ten miles in an hour, with wind-blown embers leapfrogging the front a half mile or more every few minutes.

All it takes is a cigarette butt thrown out of a car window.
 
2013-06-12 10:18:04 AM

mayIFark: May not the be firefighter's fault after all.


Not sure if drunk or yoda.

/whynoyboth.jpg
 
2013-06-12 10:20:56 AM

Gough: Subby, feel free to pick up a Pulaski and start building line.


Yep, there is a point where the conditions make it too dangerous to fight the fire directly.  You basically stand back and help with the evacuation efforts until the conditions change.  These aren't the only wildfires that are 0% contained.
 
2013-06-12 10:23:38 AM
Where in co is this happening?
 
2013-06-12 10:28:16 AM
If the fire doubles in size, is it then contained -100%?
 
2013-06-12 10:38:05 AM
wtf is wrong with fark today...
Are there going to words in the next 5 links i click?
 
2013-06-12 10:38:44 AM

imtheonlylp: we don't need no water let the motherfarker burn?

/burn motherfarker burn?


*nods approval*
www.alesis.com
 
2013-06-12 10:39:07 AM

Deathfrogg: A fire can travel ten miles in an hour


And create tornadoes. A fire storm can suck in a car.
 
2013-06-12 10:41:22 AM

Bravo Two: Where in co is this happening?


Black Forest, that was the El Paso county sheriff.  Weak "article" is weak.
 
2013-06-12 10:42:21 AM
Reap what you sow
 
2013-06-12 10:44:36 AM
As much as I love natural vegetation and living among my friends, the trees...  I also wholeheartedly agree with the concept of let it burn.  Native Americans used to let lightning strike fires burn (partly because they had to), but it also kept the scrub brush down low so there wasn't much fuel.  Now the hippies stomp out every flame so the grass gets higher then when there is a strike fire... holy hell, it's an inferno.  Nature can take care of herself goddammit, she's been doing it far longer and better than most of you people that try to bend her to your will.

And quit building your houses buried in a grove of trees FFS.
 
2013-06-12 10:53:50 AM

Grapple: As much as I love natural vegetation and living among my friends, the trees...  I also wholeheartedly agree with the concept of let it burn.  Native Americans used to let lightning strike fires burn (partly because they had to), but it also kept the scrub brush down low so there wasn't much fuel.  Now the hippies stomp out every flame so the grass gets higher then when there is a strike fire... holy hell, it's an inferno.  Nature can take care of herself goddammit, she's been doing it far longer and better than most of you people that try to bend her to your will.

And quit building your houses buried in a grove of trees FFS.


Of course, it could be that since things are so much hotter and dryer (and there are so many more dead trees because of beetles, which is also fueled by the heat and the dryness) that "just letting it burn" results in two thirds of the state going up.
 
2013-06-12 10:57:22 AM

doglover: Deathfrogg: A fire can travel ten miles in an hour

And create tornadoes. A fire storm can suck in a car.


That's as may be, butit can't lay a finger on Howie Long.
 
2013-06-12 10:57:56 AM

Grapple: As much as I love natural vegetation and living among my friends, the trees...  I also wholeheartedly agree with the concept of let it burn.  Native Americans used to let lightning strike fires burn (partly because they had to), but it also kept the scrub brush down low so there wasn't much fuel.  Now the hippies stomp out every flame so the grass gets higher then when there is a strike fire... holy hell, it's an inferno.  Nature can take care of herself goddammit, she's been doing it far longer and better than most of you people that try to bend her to your will.

And quit building your houses buried in a grove of trees FFS.


Timber companies aren't run by tree huggers. Timber companies are the loudest complainers when firefighting organizations get caught with their pants down or take too much time putting a fire out. They're also the loudest complainers when a State tries to raise taxes to support those firefighting organizations. (See Texas, where your libertarian, teabagger hero Governor cut nearly $200 million from firefighting support, and then when the State had the worst fire season in its history in 2011, demanded the Federal government "do something", then very publicly blamed the President when that something wasn't enough.) States get matching funds for rural firefighting, but only for the money they actually raise themselves. Cut the revenue, and the Federal Government cuts it's matching funds, same as the freeways.

Second point: it is the "property-rights" libertarian assholes of the country that demand the right to build stick frame mcmansions in areas where fires are most likely to occur.
 
2013-06-12 11:02:35 AM

BitwiseShift: If the fire doubles in size, is it then contained -100%?


Yes.  That is exactly how fire math works.

/Fire Math
 
2013-06-12 11:03:41 AM
2013 Wildfire Season Could Be Made Worse By Federal Budget Cuts, Interior Secretary Sally Jewell Says

Sen. Jim Risch, R-Idaho, defended the decision by Congress to trim agency budgets mid-year in an effort to trim government spending and reduce the national debt. But the first-term senator also predicted congressional support for relief money if catastrophic fires were devastating the Western landscape.

So you'll get the money after the damage is done?
 
2013-06-12 11:08:01 AM
They knew what they were doing, they cut their budget, I say let them burn.

/not a bleeding heart
 
2013-06-12 11:08:09 AM

Deathfrogg: Grapple: As much as I love natural vegetation and living among my friends, the trees...  I also wholeheartedly agree with the concept of let it burn.  Native Americans used to let lightning strike fires burn (partly because they had to), but it also kept the scrub brush down low so there wasn't much fuel.  Now the hippies stomp out every flame so the grass gets higher then when there is a strike fire... holy hell, it's an inferno.  Nature can take care of herself goddammit, she's been doing it far longer and better than most of you people that try to bend her to your will.

And quit building your houses buried in a grove of trees FFS.

Timber companies aren't run by tree huggers. Timber companies are the loudest complainers when firefighting organizations get caught with their pants down or take too much time putting a fire out. They're also the loudest complainers when a State tries to raise taxes to support those firefighting organizations. (See Texas, where your libertarian, teabagger hero Governor cut nearly $200 million from firefighting support, and then when the State had the worst fire season in its history in 2011, demanded the Federal government "do something", then very publicly blamed the President when that something wasn't enough.) States get matching funds for rural firefighting, but only for the money they actually raise themselves. Cut the revenue, and the Federal Government cuts it's matching funds, same as the freeways.

Second point: it is the "property-rights" libertarian assholes of the country that demand the right to build stick frame mcmansions in areas where fires earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, floods, tsunamis, etc are most likely to occur.


Stupid people, acting like people for 100,000 years.  There is literally nothing than cannot be made worse by politicizing it, congrats!
 
2013-06-12 11:12:42 AM

Deathfrogg: Grapple: As much as I love natural vegetation and living among my friends, the trees...  I also wholeheartedly agree with the concept of let it burn.  Native Americans used to let lightning strike fires burn (partly because they had to), but it also kept the scrub brush down low so there wasn't much fuel.  Now the hippies stomp out every flame so the grass gets higher then when there is a strike fire... holy hell, it's an inferno.  Nature can take care of herself goddammit, she's been doing it far longer and better than most of you people that try to bend her to your will.

And quit building your houses buried in a grove of trees FFS.

Timber companies aren't run by tree huggers. Timber companies are the loudest complainers when firefighting organizations get caught with their pants down or take too much time putting a fire out. They're also the loudest complainers when a State tries to raise taxes to support those firefighting organizations. (See Texas, where your libertarian, teabagger hero Governor cut nearly $200 million from firefighting support, and then when the State had the worst fire season in its history in 2011, demanded the Federal government "do something", then very publicly blamed the President when that something wasn't enough.) States get matching funds for rural firefighting, but only for the money they actually raise themselves. Cut the revenue, and the Federal Government cuts it's matching funds, same as the freeways.

Second point: it is the "property-rights" libertarian assholes of the country that demand the right to build stick frame mcmansions in areas where fires are most likely to occur.


This! ^^^

Black Forest was chock-full of the type of small-gov cons you mention. Was, that is. Now, with not a trace of irony, they are cheering on the USAF C-130s dropping retardant on the fire. Lucky there is an federal Air Force base just over 10 miles south.

/I wish them well regardless, trying to tamp down snark a bit.
 
2013-06-12 11:13:00 AM

Grapple: As much as I love natural vegetation and living among my friends, the trees...  I also wholeheartedly agree with the concept of let it burn.  Native Americans used to let lightning strike fires burn (partly because they had to), but it also kept the scrub brush down low so there wasn't much fuel.  Now the hippies stomp out every flame so the grass gets higher then when there is a strike fire... holy hell, it's an inferno.  Nature can take care of herself goddammit, she's been doing it far longer and better than most of you people that try to bend her to your will.

And quit building your houses buried in a grove of trees FFS.



They do this in the Pine Barrens here in NJ from time to time.  It always looks like a warzone.  Bu generally speaking, it does keep wildfires from getting out of control.

Not that it always works.  But perhaps it makes them easier to contain.  On the same note, we've had a lot of rain in recent years.  So, I don't think we have much to worry about.
 
2013-06-12 11:13:49 AM

Ow! That was my feelings!:

Stupid people, acting like people for 100,000 years.  There is literally nothing than cannot be made worse by politicizing it, congrats!


Show me any place on the planet where natural disasters never occur. The Governor of Texas blames the President when the fires of 2011 go totally out of control. Likewise the Governor of Colorado blames the Federal Government for not doing more. At least he hasn't come out and publicly accuse the Obama administration of starting the fires, as Perry did.
 
2013-06-12 11:15:40 AM

Deathfrogg: Ow! That was my feelings!:

Stupid people, acting like people for 100,000 years.  There is literally nothing than cannot be made worse by politicizing it, congrats!

Show me any place on the planet where natural disasters never occur. The Governor of Texas blames the President when the fires of 2011 go totally out of control. Likewise the Governor of Colorado blames the Federal Government for not doing more. At least he hasn't come out and publicly accuse the Obama administration of starting the fires, as Perry did.


You're the one politicizing it. Enjoy your earthquake zone.
 
2013-06-12 11:17:12 AM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Bravo Two: Where in co is this happening?

Black Forest, that was the El Paso county sheriff.  Weak "article" is weak.


Holy shiat! I hope my friends up in that area are OK. Need to make a phonecall or four.
 
2013-06-12 11:17:13 AM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Deathfrogg: Ow! That was my feelings!:

Stupid people, acting like people for 100,000 years.  There is literally nothing than cannot be made worse by politicizing it, congrats!

Show me any place on the planet where natural disasters never occur. The Governor of Texas blames the President when the fires of 2011 go totally out of control. Likewise the Governor of Colorado blames the Federal Government for not doing more. At least he hasn't come out and publicly accuse the Obama administration of starting the fires, as Perry did.

You're the one politicizing it. Enjoy your earthquake zone.


So, vote Republican?

Frog is right. Timing is too soon of course, but he is 100% correct.
 
2013-06-12 11:19:47 AM

Bravo Two: Ow! That was my feelings!: Bravo Two: Where in co is this happening?

Black Forest, that was the El Paso county sheriff.  Weak "article" is weak.

Holy shiat! I hope my friends up in that area are OK. Need to make a phonecall or four.


Evac zone is just east of 83, Burgess on the south, Hodgen on the north, and the east line keeps moving east, currently at Eastonville.
 
2013-06-12 11:24:31 AM

readbot42: Ow! That was my feelings!: Deathfrogg: Ow! That was my feelings!:

Stupid people, acting like people for 100,000 years.  There is literally nothing than cannot be made worse by politicizing it, congrats!

Show me any place on the planet where natural disasters never occur. The Governor of Texas blames the President when the fires of 2011 go totally out of control. Likewise the Governor of Colorado blames the Federal Government for not doing more. At least he hasn't come out and publicly accuse the Obama administration of starting the fires, as Perry did.

You're the one politicizing it. Enjoy your earthquake zone.

So, vote Republican?

Frog is right. Timing is too soon of course, but he is 100% correct.


No he isn't and neither are you. Colorado, even the Springs area, is full of crunchy, liberal types. There are plenty of lefty types losing everything they own, right now. The idea that everyone that is in the path of this fire is a far-righty evangelical is stupid and wrong. Anyone that cares, at all, the politics of the people being affected by this fire is a HUGE farking douchebag.
 
2013-06-12 11:25:47 AM
http://www.Gazette.com has a live update page.
 
2013-06-12 11:27:53 AM
Do we really need forests anyways? We should be ysing forest fires as an alternative fuel source
 
2013-06-12 11:29:45 AM

Ow! That was my feelings!: readbot42: Ow! That was my feelings!: Deathfrogg: Ow! That was my feelings!:

Stupid people, acting like people for 100,000 years.  There is literally nothing than cannot be made worse by politicizing it, congrats!

Show me any place on the planet where natural disasters never occur. The Governor of Texas blames the President when the fires of 2011 go totally out of control. Likewise the Governor of Colorado blames the Federal Government for not doing more. At least he hasn't come out and publicly accuse the Obama administration of starting the fires, as Perry did.

You're the one politicizing it. Enjoy your earthquake zone.

So, vote Republican?

Frog is right. Timing is too soon of course, but he is 100% correct.

No he isn't and neither are you. Colorado, even the Springs area, is full of crunchy, liberal types. There are plenty of lefty types losing everything they own, right now. The idea that everyone that is in the path of this fire is a far-righty evangelical is stupid and wrong. Anyone that cares, at all, the politics of the people being affected by this fire is a HUGE farking douchebag.


Welcome to Fark. Black Forest is by far massively conservative, just like most of the city, with the exception of nearby Manitou Springs.
 
2013-06-12 11:30:24 AM
I went to high school in Canon City (the piss-ant tourist trap town near the Royal Gorge) and I've been to the Royal Gorge many times. I'm not surprised that firefighters aren't having much success containing the fire.
 
2013-06-12 11:33:15 AM

Grapple: Native Americans used to let lightning strike fires burn (partly because they had to),


This is the most ridiculous thing I've read in quite a while. For starters, they had no choice. Fighting a raging forest fire even with the very best equipment we have is difficult. Back then they did not "partly" have to let it burn, they had no choice but to run away and hope it didn't catch them.

Second, no human anywhere can take the long view when a forest fire is about to burn down their shiat. We just aren't wired that way. "Well the house is burnt down but at least the long term outlook for this forest has improved greatly!" No, humans don't work that way.
 
2013-06-12 11:34:45 AM

readbot42: Ow! That was my feelings!: readbot42: Ow! That was my feelings!: Deathfrogg: Ow! That was my feelings!:

Stupid people, acting like people for 100,000 years.  There is literally nothing than cannot be made worse by politicizing it, congrats!

Show me any place on the planet where natural disasters never occur. The Governor of Texas blames the President when the fires of 2011 go totally out of control. Likewise the Governor of Colorado blames the Federal Government for not doing more. At least he hasn't come out and publicly accuse the Obama administration of starting the fires, as Perry did.

You're the one politicizing it. Enjoy your earthquake zone.

So, vote Republican?

Frog is right. Timing is too soon of course, but he is 100% correct.

No he isn't and neither are you. Colorado, even the Springs area, is full of crunchy, liberal types. There are plenty of lefty types losing everything they own, right now. The idea that everyone that is in the path of this fire is a far-righty evangelical is stupid and wrong. Anyone that cares, at all, the politics of the people being affected by this fire is a HUGE farking douchebag.

Welcome to Fark. Black Forest is by far massively conservative, just like most of the city, with the exception of nearby Manitou Springs.


readbot42: Ow! That was my feelings!: readbot42: Ow! That was my feelings!: Deathfrogg: Ow! That was my feelings!:

Stupid people, acting like people for 100,000 years.  There is literally nothing than cannot be made worse by politicizing it, congrats!

Show me any place on the planet where natural disasters never occur. The Governor of Texas blames the President when the fires of 2011 go totally out of control. Likewise the Governor of Colorado blames the Federal Government for not doing more. At least he hasn't come out and publicly accuse the Obama administration of starting the fires, as Perry did.

You're the one politicizing it. Enjoy your earthquake zone.

So, vote Republican?

Frog is right. Timing is too soon of course, but he is 100% correct.

No he isn't and neither are you. Colorado, even the Springs area, is full of crunchy, liberal types. There are plenty of lefty types losing everything they own, right now. The idea that everyone that is in the path of this fire is a far-righty evangelical is stupid and wrong. Anyone that cares, at all, the politics of the people being affected by this fire is a HUGE farking douchebag.

Welcome to Fark. Black Forest is by far massively conservative, just like most of the city, with the exception of nearby Manitou Springs.


And that matters to you, right now. You should be proud.
 
2013-06-12 11:35:52 AM

Ow! That was my feelings!:
No he isn't and neither are you. Colorado, even the Springs area, is full of crunchy, liberal types. There are plenty of lefty types losing everything they own, right now. The idea that everyone that is in the path of this fire is a far-righty evangelical is stupid and wrong. Anyone that cares, at all, the politics of the people being affected by this fire is a HUGE farking douchebag.


Thats not at all what I said, and you damn well know it. It is however, the product of who sits in control of the halls of the State government as voted in by a majority of the people of that State, that actively campaigned on reducing or eliminating Government as a factor in people's lives. That includes reducing firefighting and prevention budgets to the point where they are merely window-dressing and entirely illusory as an excuse to reduce taxes on the wealthiest people and shift that burden onto the working class dog who is already being squeezed beyond the point of being able to scream about it.
 
2013-06-12 11:36:41 AM

neversubmit: So you'll get the money after the damage is done?


No, it means that if the fire budget starts to run low and the fire season still has a ways to go, they will likely pass an emergency rider in order to beef the budget back up to where it needs to be.
 
2013-06-12 11:39:15 AM

Deathfrogg: Ow! That was my feelings!:
No he isn't and neither are you. Colorado, even the Springs area, is full of crunchy, liberal types. There are plenty of lefty types losing everything they own, right now. The idea that everyone that is in the path of this fire is a far-righty evangelical is stupid and wrong. Anyone that cares, at all, the politics of the people being affected by this fire is a HUGE farking douchebag.

Thats not at all what I said, and you damn well know it. It is however, the product of who sits in control of the halls of the State government as voted in by a majority of the people of that State, that actively campaigned on reducing or eliminating Government as a factor in people's lives. That includes reducing firefighting and prevention budgets to the point where they are merely window-dressing and entirely illusory as an excuse to reduce taxes on the wealthiest people and shift that burden onto the working class dog who is already being squeezed beyond the point of being able to scream about it.


Heh, like I said upthread, there is nothing that cannot be make worse by politicizing it. Congrats, you're good at it.
 
2013-06-12 11:50:40 AM
Ow! That was my feelings!:

And that matters to you, right now. You should be proud.

I think that it's less that it matters to him/her and more the need to correct a mistake on your part, the north part of Colorado Springs is by far the most conservative part of a city that is considered the most conservative in the entire country.
 
2013-06-12 11:51:35 AM

HeadLever: neversubmit: So you'll get the money after the damage is done?

No, it means that if the fire budget starts to run low and the fire season still has a ways to go, they will likely pass an emergency rider in order to beef the budget back up to where it needs to be.


I can't find that info, have you got a source?
 
2013-06-12 11:53:19 AM

mikemil828: Ow! That was my feelings!:

And that matters to you, right now. You should be proud.

I think that it's less that it matters to him/her and more the need to correct a mistake on your part, the north part of Colorado Springs is by far the most conservative part of a city that is considered the most conservative in the entire country.


It wasn't a mistake it was a lie.
 
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