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(Engadget)   Pandora performs upgrade using equipment from 1976   (engadget.com) divider line 20
    More: Interesting, Pandora Media Inc., ASCAP, royalties, FM radio station  
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2013-06-12 08:51:15 AM
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2013-06-12 09:07:27 AM
I just hope that the asshats that make up the recording industry do not act like the asshats that run the TV/Movie industry and make Pandora suffer in the same way Netflix is suffering from less and less quality content.
 
2013-06-12 09:38:53 AM
Since anything internet must be worth more money than anything before internet, we (pick company that has license deals for anything) must charge more for internet stuff.

Oh, you have pre-internet tech and use internet to extend your reach, ok then, old rates for you.

This is just stupid, charge the same rates either way. More people doing more with your product will increase your revenue stream.
 
2013-06-12 09:40:37 AM

farker99: Since anything internet must be worth more money than anything before internet, we (pick company that has license deals for anything) must charge more for internet stuff.

Oh, you have pre-internet tech and use internet to extend your reach, ok then, old rates for you.

This is just stupid, charge the same rates either way. More people doing more with your product will increase your revenue stream.


Let me introduce you to the good-ole-boy network.  They are clever, yet stupid at the same time.
 
2013-06-12 09:41:05 AM
Internet (and satellite) radio broadcasters pay waaayyyyy more in royalty rates than traditional FM/AM broadcasters do.  Smart move on their part, maybe SiriusXM should do the same.
 
2013-06-12 10:30:29 AM
Did they throw in this from 1976? I would be OK with that.

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2013-06-12 10:42:38 AM
Not a bad idea on their part, since now they might be able to point out the hypocrisy when it comes to royalties.

I think it would have to go to a legal challenge to make anything of this, since the labels aren't going to give up that sweet royalty money without a fight.
 
2013-06-12 11:10:01 AM

Valiente: Did they throw in this from 1976? I would be OK with that.

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2013-06-12 11:12:15 AM

Famous Thamas: Not a bad idea on their part, since now they might be able to point out the hypocrisy when it comes to royalties.

I think it would have to go to a legal challenge to make anything of this, since the labels aren't going to give up that sweet royalty money without a fight.


How else are they going to pay for their hookers and blow?
 
2013-06-12 11:16:01 AM

farker99: Since anything internet must be worth more money than anything before internet, we (pick company that has license deals for anything) must charge more for internet stuff.

Oh, you have pre-internet tech and use internet to extend your reach, ok then, old rates for you.

This is just stupid, charge the same rates either way. More people doing more with your product will increase your revenue stream.


Arguably the rate of internet should be lower, if ASCAP has any interest in collecting demographic data for the labels.
 
2013-06-12 11:17:32 AM

farker99: Since anything internet must be worth more money than anything before internet, we (pick company that has license deals for anything) must charge more for internet stuff.

Oh, you have pre-internet tech and use internet to extend your reach, ok then, old rates for you.

This is just stupid, charge the same rates either way. More people doing more with your product will increase your revenue stream.


Traditionally FM radio pays no license fees because the Music industry sees it as advertisements, they therefor get deals and pay a low license fee for this online broadcasting such as iHeartMusic. Also the listener doesn't get any choice on what music is being played aside from which station to listen to. The Music industry doesn't consider pure internet broadcasting like Pandora to be advertising, and while you don't directly get to choose the music you listen to, the ability to heavily customize the type of music it chooses for you leads to you almost being able to choose your music.
 
2013-06-12 11:34:15 AM

Endive Wombat: I just hope that the asshats that make up the recording industry do not act like the asshats that run the TV/Movie industry and make Pandora suffer in the same way Netflix is suffering from less and less quality content.




Netflix is for children.

4 year olds love How it's Made.
 
2013-06-12 12:14:06 PM

MindStalker: Traditionally FM radio pays no license fees because the Music industry sees it as advertisements[...] The Music industry doesn't consider pure internet broadcasting like Pandora to be advertising


So, in other words, they're stupid.
 
2013-06-12 01:17:44 PM

enry: Internet (and satellite) radio broadcasters pay waaayyyyy more in royalty rates than traditional FM/AM broadcasters do.  Smart move on their part, maybe SiriusXM should do the same.


Sirius already has thousands of terrestrial broadcast sites. It's the dirty little secret that satellite radio really isn't satellite, in most parts of the country. And satellite radio already pays much less than internet radio.
 
2013-06-12 02:39:17 PM

Endive Wombat: I just hope that the asshats that make up the recording industry do not act like the asshats that run the TV/Movie industry and make Pandora suffer in the same way Netflix is suffering from less and less quality content.


Odd; I find that Netflix has tons of quality content.  Although, a big part of that is kid's stuff.  But for the kid's stuff alone (Phineas and Ferb, lots of Marvel, MLP, and a few other things that my daughter likes), it's well worth the $8 a month.

Plus, there's quite a few good TV shows that my wife and I watch.
 
2013-06-12 03:54:24 PM

meanmutton: Endive Wombat: I just hope that the asshats that make up the recording industry do not act like the asshats that run the TV/Movie industry and make Pandora suffer in the same way Netflix is suffering from less and less quality content.

Odd; I find that Netflix has tons of quality content.  Although, a big part of that is kid's stuff.  But for the kid's stuff alone (Phineas and Ferb, lots of Marvel, MLP, and a few other things that my daughter likes), it's well worth the $8 a month.

Plus, there's quite a few good TV shows that my wife and I watch.


Netflix is still a good value.  I do not have children, so the "content rich" side of things on the kids side is irrelevant to me.  I was referring more to the recent moves by companies like Viacom.  Who in their infinite wisdom took away something like 1800 titles in the past month from Netflix and as I understand it, are planning on starting their own pay for stream service.  If they think that I am going to pay for another streaming service, they are out of their farking minds and totally disconnected from reality.  I do not need to watch South Park THAT bad.

Am I making any sense here?
 
2013-06-12 04:46:43 PM

HeartBurnKid: MindStalker: Traditionally FM radio pays no license fees because the Music industry sees it as advertisements[...] The Music industry doesn't consider pure internet broadcasting like Pandora to be advertising

So, in other words, they're stupid.


I feel like I should elaborate.  Of course Pandora is advertising for the music labels.  What's more, it's the best kind of advertising -- targeted and immediate.  If I go on Pandora and put in, say, Metallica, it'll start playing me a bunch of music that I may not have even heard of, but there's already a good chance I'll like since I already told them I like Metallica, and these bands are similar.  And each song has a link by it to go buy the song from a variety of music services.  Compare this to terrestrial radio, where I have only the coarsest control over what I hear, and if I like the song, I probably don't have the ability to buy the song immediately (I might if I happen to be listening to a stream over iHeartRadio or TuneIn, but I won't if I'm listening to... you know... a radio, unless I happen to have another method handy).

In short, by lobbying for these disparate rates, the labels are outright screwing their best advertisers.  And it's apparently such a deep dicking that it's easier to dodge the costs by buying and operating a freaking radio station than take it.
 
2013-06-12 11:33:46 PM
The one reason Pandora and other free Internet radio services are better than FM stations: No douchebag zany DJs.

/Fewer and less obnoxious adds, too
 
2013-06-12 11:34:23 PM
Grr... Ads.

/I almost typed "adverts."
 
2013-06-13 12:29:21 AM

ZeroCorpse: Grr... Ads.

/I almost typed "adverts."


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