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2013-06-12 08:17:05 AM
If you have to bean a guy, keep it low.  Don't go for a guy's head.  That's just wrong.  You are trying to bean him, not David Wright the guy.
 
2013-06-12 08:38:00 AM

SlothB77: If you have to bean a guy, keep it low. Don't go for a guy's head. That's just wrong. You are trying to bean him, not David Wright the guy.


Kennedy hit Puig in the face earlier in the game. He'd better get a suspension.
 
2013-06-12 09:00:41 AM
Weren't the Dodgers the ones biatching about Carlos Quentin charging the mound and hurting their bird-boned pitcher?  Just amusing to see this whole tard-fest come down after that.  Now I get why folks call them the DOY-ers.
 
2013-06-12 09:00:51 AM
Surprisingly absent: greinke and Carlos
 
2013-06-12 09:03:05 AM
I would have enjoyed a McGwire/Gibson throwdown.
 
2013-06-12 09:07:18 AM
The full video on MLB.com.  Bonus:  Vin Scully:

http://wapc.mlb.com/play/?content_id=27954881
 
2013-06-12 09:08:27 AM

kronicfeld: SlothB77: If you have to bean a guy, keep it low. Don't go for a guy's head. That's just wrong. You are trying to bean him, not David Wright the guy.

Kennedy hit Puig in the face earlier in the game. He'd better get a suspension.


Not intentional. The two likely suspended are Uribe and Belasario, the two throwing punches like little biatches in the scrum.
 
2013-06-12 09:13:43 AM
That "brawl" resembled a very sedated mosh pit at a Gin Blossoms concert.
 
2013-06-12 09:18:48 AM

Tyrannosaurus Farkette: The full video on MLB.com.  Bonus:  Vin Scully:

http://wapc.mlb.com/play/?content_id=27954881


Vin's the best.

"No sense calling off names, they're all there."
"Puig hollering at anyone that will listen, even those who won't."
 
2013-06-12 09:21:35 AM

Tyrannosaurus Farkette: The full video on MLB.com.  Bonus:  Vin Scully:

http://wapc.mlb.com/play/?content_id=27954881


Oh wait, greinke is the reason. Odd subby's article didn't say that first and foremost. Guy's an arsehole.
 
2013-06-12 09:25:40 AM

thecpt: Oh wait, greinke is the reason.


I haven't seen the first two HBP's but #3 was Kennedy hitting Puig in the face.  #4 was Greinke plunking the AZ catcher in the back as retribution.  #5 was Kennedy hitting Greinke in the head.  Greinke was not the reason.  Kennedy hitting two guys above the shoulders was the reason.
 
2013-06-12 09:31:02 AM
Just checked the box score.  #2 was Puig, #3 was Montero and #4 was Greinke.
 
2013-06-12 09:38:34 AM

Anderson's Pooper: Just checked the box score.  #2 was Puig, #3 was Montero and #4 was Greinke.


Oh I was under the assumption (falsely again, wow I'm on a roll) that the video showed everything.

Box score says Ross and montero via greinke then puig and greinke via Kennedy. No order given i guess. The one that hit his nose looked like an up and inside set up pitch given the 1 2 count.

I hate nl retaliation bs.
 
2013-06-12 09:45:16 AM

Anderson's Pooper: thecpt: Oh wait, greinke is the reason.

I haven't seen the first two HBP's but #3 was Kennedy hitting Puig in the face.  #4 was Greinke plunking the AZ catcher in the back as retribution.  #5 was Kennedy hitting Greinke in the head.  Greinke was not the reason.  Kennedy hitting two guys above the shoulders was the reason.


The Puig hit wasn't intentional. Grienkes second hit batter was. He initiated retaliation.
 
2013-06-12 10:09:46 AM
Featuring Don Mattingly, Matt Williams, Don Baylor and Mark McGwire in the middle of everything.  Party like it's 1988!
 
2013-06-12 10:17:45 AM
I like what Jerry Hairston Jr. does starting at about 4:30.  He's like "hm, let me find someone who's small, weak and old, and is standing away from the brawl... hey look, Willie Bloomquist!  I think I'll grab his jersey and pull him back a little."  Bloomquist gives him a befuddled look.
 
2013-06-12 10:21:53 AM
Espn showed Kershaw and JP Howell also throwing punches. 4 players throwing punches, all dodgers. Suspensions will be had.
 
2013-06-12 10:23:10 AM

Super Chronic: I like what Jerry Hairston Jr. does starting at about 4:30.  He's like "hm, let me find someone who's small, weak and old, and is standing away from the brawl... hey look, Willie Bloomquist!  I think I'll grab his jersey and pull him back a little."  Bloomquist gives him a befuddled look.


i feel like there's an SNL skit here with everyone pairing off NHL-style with one guy pretending to want to fight and another guy half-heartedly holding him back.

baseball fights are the worst ... with the exception of successfully charging the mound.

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2013-06-12 10:36:08 AM
Puig is trying to jam a whole career into his first 2 weeks in the majors.

I think he has a checklist in his locker of his baseball bucket list.
 
2013-06-12 10:40:35 AM

Tyrannosaurus Farkette: The full video on MLB.com.  Bonus:  Vin Scully:

http://wapc.mlb.com/play/?content_id=27954881


nothing really to add here other than to second Vin Scully's awesomeness
 
2013-06-12 10:49:47 AM

Super Chronic: Featuring Don Mattingly, Matt Williams, Don Baylor and Mark McGwire in the middle of everything.  Party like it's 1988!


There was an 80s all-start team on that field with Kirk Gibson, Davey Lopes, and Steve Sax as well.  And we know Donnie Baseball must have been there.
 
2013-06-12 10:51:38 AM
Just noticed Alan Trammel as well.
 
2013-06-12 10:56:47 AM
Puig got it in the shoulder, not face.  if it was in the face, his chiclets would be on Miggy's jersey.

Greinke -- the so-called "rain man" -- initiated it.  fark you, doyers fans, if you don't like your boy gettin to wear one, how about he quits dotting our guys?
 
2013-06-12 10:59:39 AM

MyRandomName: Anderson's Pooper: thecpt: Oh wait, greinke is the reason.

I haven't seen the first two HBP's but #3 was Kennedy hitting Puig in the face.  #4 was Greinke plunking the AZ catcher in the back as retribution.  #5 was Kennedy hitting Greinke in the head.  Greinke was not the reason.  Kennedy hitting two guys above the shoulders was the reason.

The Puig hit wasn't intentional. Grienkes second hit batter was. He initiated retaliation.


Location: AZ.  Your bias is noted.  Kennedy hit two players above the shoulders.  He's the douche that deserves the biggest suspension.
 
2013-06-12 11:04:20 AM

rickythepenguin: Puig got it in the shoulder, not face.  if it was in the face, his chiclets would be on Miggy's jersey.



How many teeth are in the nose?
 
2013-06-12 11:04:33 AM
Last night was just a bizarre night even before the bean balls. Let me break this down for you Farkers:

Bottom 4- Puig is up, fouls off 1st pitch (more like he swung the bat about 1/4 of the way and the ball just hit it), umpire makes no motion other than to get a new ball. Pitch 2: Swing and a miss. Pitch 3: Ball in the Dirt.

At this point, the count shown in the stadium says 1-2. The count on both the Dbacks TV coverage and the Dodgers broadcast shows 1-2. MLB.com and ESPN.com both showed it as 1-2 upon further review. But the umpire had announced that it was 1-1 or 2-1 (it was impossible to tell). Dbacks asked WTH? Umpires discussed but stuck by the home plate ump's call. Two more swings and misses and Puig was out.

But look at what MLB.com says today about that AB. I hope that link works but the play-by-play in the Bottom of the 4th now has a line "Four strike strikeout."

As for the bean balls:

The order was as follows:

Top 5: Greinke hits Cody Ross leading off. Don't think it was intentional, but I'm not sure about that guy. (next up: Jason Kubel hits a HR)

Bottom 6: Puig hit by Kennedy on a 1-2 count. If you look at Kennedy's reaction, he was disgusted at what happened. It was not intentional at all. (next up: Ethier hits a HR)

Top 7: Greinke hits Miguel Montero on a 2-1 count, all fastballs thrown including the HBP. Benches empty, nothing but jawing.

Bottom 7: Greinke gets hit and everything blows up.

Now, I'm a Dbacks fan and a Dodger hater (both the organization and many of their fans) so I'm not impartial. But look at the video and it's obvious that the Dodgers were the more aggressive players and coaches in this. Coaches are supposed to try to break things up, helping the umpires. Mattingly and McGuire were getting in the faces of Dbacks coaches, grabbing their uniforms and jawing at them. Ken Rosenthal saw Mattingly throw down Dbacks bench coach Alan Trammell. And then the players: look at what bubbaprog posted last night. That's J.P. Howell going all WWE on hitting coach Turner Ward (player IDed by Rosenthal's column this morning). Juan Uribe was out of control (but not ejected). Ronald Belisario was described by the umpires as "out of control" and was supposedly tossed (box scores don't list that, however). McGuire and Puig were tossed for "instigating" according to the umpires. Ward was viewed the same way, but the umpires admitted post game that they may have missed on that.

I don't like that Kennedy went high on Puig (albeit unintentional) and Greinke (more likely to be intentional). But at least the Dbacks didn't try to turn it into a old time hockey brawl. The Dodgers did do that. And they should be hammered with suspensions and fines, both to their coaching staff and the players.
 
2013-06-12 11:08:32 AM

dark brew: MyRandomName: Anderson's Pooper: thecpt: Oh wait, greinke is the reason.

I haven't seen the first two HBP's but #3 was Kennedy hitting Puig in the face.  #4 was Greinke plunking the AZ catcher in the back as retribution.  #5 was Kennedy hitting Greinke in the head.  Greinke was not the reason.  Kennedy hitting two guys above the shoulders was the reason.

The Puig hit wasn't intentional. Grienkes second hit batter was. He initiated retaliation.

Location: AZ.  Your bias is noted.  Kennedy hit two players above the shoulders.  He's the douche that deserves the biggest suspension.


Kennedy is known to hit players accidentally, 8 this year. Only the second was intentional. Grienke being an AL douche is known to hit batters intentionally. He started the retaliation,not kennedy . But why would I expect a dodger fan to understand baseball.
 
2013-06-12 11:09:25 AM

dark brew: How many teeth are in the nose?



about as many as are on his shoulder, where the ball hit.
 
2013-06-12 11:09:32 AM

dark brew: Location: AZ.  Your bias is noted.  Kennedy hit two players above the shoulders.  He's the douche that deserves the biggest suspension.


Puig was hit in the shoulder and it deflected up into the face. Greinke's was more intentional than Puig's was. But the 1st intentional HBP was Greinke on Montero (throwing fastballs inside repeatedly before the HBP).

Anyway, the biggest suspensions will likely go to the Dodgers for instigating the fight and their coaches failing to control their team. Kennedy and maybe Gibson will be suspended for the Dbacks. But on the Dodgers, you could see as many as 10 people banned for their actions in the fight (including players on the DL who jumped into the fray).
 
2013-06-12 11:09:58 AM

desertgeek: But look at the video and it's obvious that the Dodgers were the more aggressive players and coaches in this.


I think intentionally throwing at players is stupid, regardless of the situation.  However, you'll notice that Greinke's retaliation pitch was square between the numbers and Kennedy's was up towards the head.  I think that's why the Dodgers were so mad.
 
2013-06-12 11:11:05 AM

mcnguyen: Super Chronic: Featuring Don Mattingly, Matt Williams, Don Baylor and Mark McGwire in the middle of everything.  Party like it's 1988!

There was an 80s all-start team on that field with Kirk Gibson, Davey Lopes, and Steve Sax as well.  And we know Donnie Baseball must have been there.


mcnguyen: Just noticed Alan Trammel as well.


Yeah I was really just focusing on guys who were in the middle of the brawl, but looking again, Sax and Gibson are pretty involved as well.
 
2013-06-12 11:12:05 AM
Every time I see Donnie I haz a sad.  Not just because of the injuries later in his career that probably denied him a trip to the Hall, but for the fact that Steinbrenner was a idiot that kept farking things up in the 80s and wasted prime years of Donnie's career with guys like Roy Smalley as part of the lineup and trading for the likes of Steve Trout.
 
2013-06-12 11:12:46 AM

rickythepenguin: dark brew: How many teeth are in the nose?


about as many as are on his shoulder, where the ball hit.


...and then deflected into his nose.  Grazed, for sure.  But your retarded point that because he didn't shed any teeth that means he wasn't hit in the face is just that.  Retarded.
 
2013-06-12 11:14:00 AM
Wow, lots of Arizona homers in this thread.  I don't have a dog in this hunt, but of all the questionable actions taken in this game, one, and only one, was clearly bush-league: Kennedy aiming at Greinke's head.  Everything else is in the "that's baseball" category.
 
2013-06-12 11:14:40 AM

MyRandomName: dark brew: MyRandomName: Anderson's Pooper: thecpt: Oh wait, greinke is the reason.

I haven't seen the first two HBP's but #3 was Kennedy hitting Puig in the face.  #4 was Greinke plunking the AZ catcher in the back as retribution.  #5 was Kennedy hitting Greinke in the head.  Greinke was not the reason.  Kennedy hitting two guys above the shoulders was the reason.

The Puig hit wasn't intentional. Grienkes second hit batter was. He initiated retaliation.

Location: AZ.  Your bias is noted.  Kennedy hit two players above the shoulders.  He's the douche that deserves the biggest suspension.

Kennedy is known to hit players accidentally, 8 this year. Only the second was intentional. Grienke being an AL douche is known to hit batters intentionally. He started the retaliation,not kennedy . But why would I expect a dodger fan to understand baseball.


If Kennedy is so prone to accidentally hitting people, maybe he shouldn't be pitching up and in were he can end the career of a 22 year old just getting started.
 
2013-06-12 11:15:43 AM

Rwa2play: Every time I see Donnie I haz a sad.  Not just because of the injuries later in his career that probably denied him a trip to the Hall, but for the fact that Steinbrenner was a idiot that kept farking things up in the 80s and wasted prime years of Donnie's career with guys like Roy Smalley as part of the lineup and trading for the likes of Steve Trout.


Really, I have a hard time feeling sorry for anyone who got to play in the majors, make a lot of money and most likely get laid way, way more than I ever did.
 
2013-06-12 11:21:01 AM

dark brew: MyRandomName: dark brew: MyRandomName: Anderson's Pooper: thecpt: Oh wait, greinke is the reason.

I haven't seen the first two HBP's but #3 was Kennedy hitting Puig in the face.  #4 was Greinke plunking the AZ catcher in the back as retribution.  #5 was Kennedy hitting Greinke in the head.  Greinke was not the reason.  Kennedy hitting two guys above the shoulders was the reason.

The Puig hit wasn't intentional. Grienkes second hit batter was. He initiated retaliation.

Location: AZ.  Your bias is noted.  Kennedy hit two players above the shoulders.  He's the douche that deserves the biggest suspension.

Kennedy is known to hit players accidentally, 8 this year. Only the second was intentional. Grienke being an AL douche is known to hit batters intentionally. He started the retaliation,not kennedy . But why would I expect a dodger fan to understand baseball.

If Kennedy is so prone to accidentally hitting people, maybe he shouldn't be pitching up and in were he can end the career of a 22 year old just getting started.


Kennedy - 1 hit batter every 17.7 innings.
Greinke - 1 hit batter every 32 innings .

Not that you'll care about actual statistics since you'll still believe that Greinke's are intentional whereas Kennedy is just wildly inaccurate.
 
2013-06-12 11:44:18 AM
Good to see that the increased accountability from not having a DH kept this thing from getting out of hand.


/sarcasm
 
2013-06-12 11:53:07 AM

Super Chronic: Wow, lots of Arizona homers in this thread.  I don't have a dog in this hunt, but of all the questionable actions taken in this game, one, and only one, was clearly bush-league: Kennedy aiming at Greinke's head.  Everything else is in the "that's baseball" category.


So coaches getting in the face of other coaches is standard operating procedure in baseball fights? A player running a coach into a railing qualifies as "that's baseball?" OK, then...
 
2013-06-12 11:56:08 AM
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VINDICATED

 
2013-06-12 12:11:34 PM

BKITU: VINDICATED


He is selfish
He is wrong
He is right
 
2013-06-12 12:26:03 PM
Better than a couple of years ago when they held it in the parking lot.
 
2013-06-12 12:49:07 PM

desertgeek: Now, I'm a Dbacks fan and a Dodger hater (both the organization and many of their fans) so I'm not impartial. But look at the video and it's obvious that the Dodgers were the more aggressive players and coaches in this. Coaches are supposed to try to break things up, helping the umpires. Mattingly and McGuire were getting in the faces of Dbacks coaches, grabbing their uniforms and jawing at them. Ken Rosenthal saw Mattingly throw down Dbacks bench coach Alan Trammell.


I attribute that to there being a difference, a big one, between hitting someone and throwing at their head. I agree the first head shot looked accidental, but there was no mistaking the one at Greinke.

thecpt: hate nl retaliation bs.


I like it better than the AL. If you're going to throw at someone, have the balls to stand in the batter's box when it's your turn.
 
2013-06-12 01:12:18 PM
I think what many of the D-backs apologists are missing here is that a pitch grooved into the back is not equal to one thrown towards the head. Yes, Greinke's application of a tramp stamp to Montero was intentional, but at worst, Miguel will wake up with a bruise. Not sure where Ross was plunked, but I have serious doubts it was near anything vital.
The one that hit Puig, on the other hand, was either aimed at the head or misfired to where his head was in play. By even the Snakes fans' admission, dotting Greinke was intentional--which is forgivable--but that was textbook head-hunting, which never is.
Shane Victorino handled it best when one of the Dodger pitchers tried to brain him in the LCS a few years back. He gestured to the pitcher "if you're going to hit me, aim for the back. Don't go for the head."
 
2013-06-12 01:31:14 PM
Kennedy aimed at Puig's head, and deliberately hit Greinke. He's an asshole.
 
2013-06-12 01:41:35 PM
What wasn't shown in the video: Puig was down for several minutes after being hit in the face.
 
2013-06-12 01:55:39 PM

Crewmannumber6: desertgeek: Now, I'm a Dbacks fan and a Dodger hater (both the organization and many of their fans) so I'm not impartial. But look at the video and it's obvious that the Dodgers were the more aggressive players and coaches in this. Coaches are supposed to try to break things up, helping the umpires. Mattingly and McGuire were getting in the faces of Dbacks coaches, grabbing their uniforms and jawing at them. Ken Rosenthal saw Mattingly throw down Dbacks bench coach Alan Trammell.

I attribute that to there being a difference, a big one, between hitting someone and throwing at their head. I agree the first head shot looked accidental, but there was no mistaking the one at Greinke.

thecpt: hate nl retaliation bs.

I like it better than the AL. If you're going to throw at someone, have the balls to stand in the batter's box when it's your turn.


Yes and no. It's better if you like fighting and what not. In the al it doesn't happen as often, which is what I prefer. If I wanted to see fighting then I'd watch that instead.
 
2013-06-12 02:00:24 PM
Since some of this took place before the 6th inning, I doubted Dodger fans even knew about it.
 
2013-06-12 02:01:17 PM

Lorelle: Kennedy aimed at Puig's head, and deliberately hit Greinke. He's an asshole.


I think that's the difference. He was trying to back him off the plate as he had 2 waste pitches to work with. The hit just wasn't intentional. Not at all. Why do you need to retaliate if its clearly not intentional? Greinke should've been thrown out immediately for intentionally hurling an object 90 miles an hour at someone. That's practically assault.
 
2013-06-12 02:19:10 PM
Thugs.
 
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