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(Guardian)   Anybody can get a red card for kicking someone on the opposing team. But it takes a special sort of player to get sent off for kicking a medical staffer while he's being carted off the field on a stretcher   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 55
    More: Dumbass, Javier Mascherano, stretchers, World Cup qualifying  
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2013-06-12 09:34:48 AM  
Nobody bothered to ask *why* he was kicking the cart driver, apparently.
 
2013-06-12 09:35:26 AM  
Maradona's not coaching Argentina anymore? Aw, damn.
 
2013-06-12 09:40:52 AM  
Stupid South Americans always getting things backwards.  You're supposed to kick the dog and throttle the driver.
 
2013-06-12 09:47:09 AM  
Great job linking to the press conference instead of the actual video of the kick, moranmitter.
 
2013-06-12 09:48:35 AM  
So red cards for throwing a dog and kicking a medic... strange red card trifecta in play?
 
2013-06-12 09:49:28 AM  
Wait a second the guy ON the stretcher was the one kicking at the medics?   Then he got OFF the stretcher to receive the red card?

First he should be banned forever for an obvious dive and staying down/acting hurt enough to have a stretcher even on the field.   You get a stretcher when you are paralyzed not because you got a boo boo on your knee.

THIS is why Americans will never like International Football.   Play the game like you have a set.
 
2013-06-12 09:50:07 AM  
Yea, I saw that, and have to wonder why a kicking was needed, but what's more important is that Chile won 3-1. We have one foot in Brasil now.

/ CHI CHI CHI, LE LE LE, VIVA CHILE.
// USA won too. I root for both of them.
 
2013-06-12 09:53:05 AM  
Was this the same guy that threw the dog? Cause he's kind of an asshole
 
2013-06-12 10:01:17 AM  
Pussy...
 
2013-06-12 10:01:53 AM  
He was just trying to get the cart driver to stop.  After receiving such a terrible injury to need a cart, he had a miraculous recovery as they exited the field, and needed to get back to playing.  God wouldn't of healed him if he didn't want him to play.  He probably doesn't speak the same language as the driver, and had to use his leg to kick him, just to show him "hey, look, my leg is alright after all, lets stop the cart".  Red card was completely uncalled for, but they were the away team so obviously they're going to get the short end of the stick from the refs.
 
2013-06-12 10:05:15 AM  
Ah, Monster Masch. Good player, incredible douche.
 
2013-06-12 10:07:01 AM  
Soccer people just aint right
 
2013-06-12 10:11:42 AM  
*rolls eyes at silliness of soccer*
 
2013-06-12 10:13:40 AM  
If you don't want to go on the cart, don't flop around and pretend you've been shot when you brush up against another player.
 
2013-06-12 10:37:59 AM  

DoBeDoBeDo: First he should be banned forever for an obvious dive and staying down/acting hurt enough to have a stretcher even on the field. You get a stretcher when you are paralyzed not because you got a boo boo on your knee.


Dog Welder: If you don't want to go on the cart, don't flop around and pretend you've been shot when you brush up against another player.


Most soccer collisions hurt like hell for a minute or two, but then go away. Think banging your shin on furniture. The vast majority of players who go down and are fine 2 minutes later aren't actually faking it.
 
2013-06-12 10:47:59 AM  

FireZs: DoBeDoBeDo: First he should be banned forever for an obvious dive and staying down/acting hurt enough to have a stretcher even on the field. You get a stretcher when you are paralyzed not because you got a boo boo on your knee.

Dog Welder: If you don't want to go on the cart, don't flop around and pretend you've been shot when you brush up against another player.

Most soccer collisions hurt like hell for a minute or two, but then go away. Think banging your shin on furniture. The vast majority of players who go down and are fine 2 minutes later aren't actually faking it.


Complete BS.  I've played competitive soccer for years.  They fake it and have ruined the sport.
 
2013-06-12 10:48:12 AM  

FireZs: DoBeDoBeDo: First he should be banned forever for an obvious dive and staying down/acting hurt enough to have a stretcher even on the field. You get a stretcher when you are paralyzed not because you got a boo boo on your knee.

Dog Welder: If you don't want to go on the cart, don't flop around and pretend you've been shot when you brush up against another player.

Most soccer collisions hurt like hell for a minute or two, but then go away. Think banging your shin on furniture. The vast majority of players who go down and are fine 2 minutes later aren't actually faking it.


Yep and when I bang my shin on something I don't call 911.   Going to the ground is one thing, requiring a medical cart then being fine as soon as it crosses the sideline is simply a delaying tactic that needs to be carded.

Go to the ground for a second, maybe limp off and get a cramp out, sure.    Happens in EVERY sport.   Taking time for a cart to come out is for guys who have a next stop at the ambulance waiting to take him to the hospital.
 
2013-06-12 10:50:14 AM  

FireZs: DoBeDoBeDo: First he should be banned forever for an obvious dive and staying down/acting hurt enough to have a stretcher even on the field. You get a stretcher when you are paralyzed not because you got a boo boo on your knee.

Dog Welder: If you don't want to go on the cart, don't flop around and pretend you've been shot when you brush up against another player.

Most soccer collisions hurt like hell for a minute or two, but then go away. Think banging your shin on furniture. The vast majority of players who go down and are fine 2 minutes later aren't actually faking it.


i42.tinypic.com
 
2013-06-12 11:00:41 AM  

JusticeandIndependence: FireZs: DoBeDoBeDo: First he should be banned forever for an obvious dive and staying down/acting hurt enough to have a stretcher even on the field. You get a stretcher when you are paralyzed not because you got a boo boo on your knee.

Dog Welder: If you don't want to go on the cart, don't flop around and pretend you've been shot when you brush up against another player.

Most soccer collisions hurt like hell for a minute or two, but then go away. Think banging your shin on furniture. The vast majority of players who go down and are fine 2 minutes later aren't actually faking it.

Complete BS.  I've played competitive soccer for years.  They fake it and have ruined the sport.


Somebody should make shin pads with a time-release numbing agent.  Load the reservoir up, and then it numbs your shins continuously for the next 2 hours.
 
2013-06-12 11:02:09 AM  
Anyone hurt enough to require a stretcher or cart should be required to stay off the field for a minimum of 10 minutes.
 
2013-06-12 11:06:09 AM  

FrancoFile: Somebody should make shin pads with a time-release numbing agent.  Load the reservoir up, and then it numbs your shins continuously for the next 2 hours.


Or a pressure release valve.  You get smoked in the shins it releases the meds like an air bag going off.
 
2013-06-12 11:15:52 AM  
Soccer players are the biggest wimps in the sports world. Hockey player breaks leg, (Campbell) stays on the ice and finishes his shift. Soccer player gets a strong gust of wind as somebody runs past, looks like he took a sniper round in the chest. Farking pussies, every last one of them.
 
2013-06-12 11:20:14 AM  

JSam21: So red cards for throwing a dog and kicking a medic... strange Argentinian red card trifecta in play?


FTFY
 
2013-06-12 11:20:57 AM  

SovietCanuckistan: Soccer players are the biggest wimps in the sports world. Hockey player breaks leg, (Campbell) stays on the ice and finishes his shift. Soccer player gets a strong gust of wind as somebody runs past, looks like he took a sniper round in the chest. Farking pussies, every last one of them.


You sound tough.
 
2013-06-12 11:25:26 AM  

FrancoFile: JusticeandIndependence: FireZs: DoBeDoBeDo: First he should be banned forever for an obvious dive and staying down/acting hurt enough to have a stretcher even on the field. You get a stretcher when you are paralyzed not because you got a boo boo on your knee.

Dog Welder: If you don't want to go on the cart, don't flop around and pretend you've been shot when you brush up against another player.

Most soccer collisions hurt like hell for a minute or two, but then go away. Think banging your shin on furniture. The vast majority of players who go down and are fine 2 minutes later aren't actually faking it.

Complete BS.  I've played competitive soccer for years.  They fake it and have ruined the sport.

Somebody should make shin pads with a time-release numbing agent.  Load the reservoir up, and then it numbs your shins continuously for the next 2 hours.


www.zeemedical.com
 
2013-06-12 11:40:05 AM  

FireZs: DoBeDoBeDo: First he should be banned forever for an obvious dive and staying down/acting hurt enough to have a stretcher even on the field. You get a stretcher when you are paralyzed not because you got a boo boo on your knee.

Dog Welder: If you don't want to go on the cart, don't flop around and pretend you've been shot when you brush up against another player.

Most soccer collisions hurt like hell for a minute or two, but then go away. Think banging your shin on furniture. The vast majority of players who go down and are fine 2 minutes later aren't actually faking it.


But you don't need a cart for that. If you get on the cart you should have to leave the game, period.
 
2013-06-12 11:50:27 AM  
Shaking off that reputation for being b*tches like a champ, soccer players.
 
2013-06-12 12:10:44 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: Complete BS. I've played competitive soccer for years. They fake it and have ruined the sport.


So have I, and it's definitely true for me. Hard collision -> horrible pain for a minute -> fine to play. Maybe the defenders in your league don't hack as much?
 
2013-06-12 12:34:40 PM  

ThatGuyGreg: Nobody bothered to ask *why* he was kicking the cart driver, apparently.


He's an Argintinian, that answers the why neatly.
 
2013-06-12 12:38:27 PM  
SovietCanuckistan: Soccer players are the biggest wimps in the sports world. Hockey player breaks leg, (Campbell) stays on the ice and finishes his shift. Soccer player gets a strong gust of wind as somebody runs past, looks like he took a sniper round in the chest. Farking pussies, every last one of them.

newsimg.bbc.co.uk
Brian McBride, World Cup 2006. Took an elbow to the face that needed three stitches and finished the game.
And as a schoolboy soccer player in the Chicago area, he once broke his nose in the first half of a playoff game and came back and scored the winning goal.
 
2013-06-12 12:41:02 PM  

varmitydog: Brian McBride, World Cup 2006. Took an elbow to the face that needed three stitches and finished the game.
And as a schoolboy soccer player in the Chicago area, he once broke his nose in the first half of a playoff game and came back and scored the winning goal.


I'd also like to point out that hockey shifts are 45 seconds, while soccer "shifts" are 45 minutes.
 
2013-06-12 12:41:47 PM  

bhcompy: FrancoFile: JusticeandIndependence: FireZs: DoBeDoBeDo: First he should be banned forever for an obvious dive and staying down/acting hurt enough to have a stretcher even on the field. You get a stretcher when you are paralyzed not because you got a boo boo on your knee.

Dog Welder: If you don't want to go on the cart, don't flop around and pretend you've been shot when you brush up against another player.

Most soccer collisions hurt like hell for a minute or two, but then go away. Think banging your shin on furniture. The vast majority of players who go down and are fine 2 minutes later aren't actually faking it.

Complete BS.  I've played competitive soccer for years.  They fake it and have ruined the sport.

Somebody should make shin pads with a time-release numbing agent.  Load the reservoir up, and then it numbs your shins continuously for the next 2 hours.

[www.zeemedical.com image 310x310]


Thanks, Captain Obvious.  I know that stuff exists.  I want it IN the shinpad.
 
2013-06-12 12:52:50 PM  

FireZs: varmitydog: Brian McBride, World Cup 2006. Took an elbow to the face that needed three stitches and finished the game.
And as a schoolboy soccer player in the Chicago area, he once broke his nose in the first half of a playoff game and came back and scored the winning goal.

I'd also like to point out that hockey shifts are 45 seconds, while soccer "shifts" are 45 minutes.


What's you point? Most major bursts of action in soccer only last 15 seconds at most. Otherwise it's jog, pass, jog. Jog, jog, pass.
 
2013-06-12 12:56:37 PM  

varmitydog: Brian McBride, World Cup 2006. Took an elbow to the face that needed three stitches and finished the game.
And as a schoolboy soccer player in the Chicago area, he once broke his nose in the first half of a playoff game and came back and scored the winning goal.


Yeah but he's an Real American not some Eurotrash or 3rd worlder.
 
2013-06-12 12:58:41 PM  

Decillion: What's you point? Most major bursts of action in soccer only last 15 seconds at most. Otherwise it's jog, pass, jog. Jog, jog, pass.


The point is that we're talking about playing through injury continuously, not "bursts of action." The length of time matters, especially when the difference is as great as 45 seconds vs 45 minutes. Also, I guarantee you if you were obviously playing through an injury, the opposing team will exploit that by playing through your area of the field. You'd become a magnet of "bursts of action."
 
2013-06-12 01:25:14 PM  
I was watching the game when it happened, and the driver of the cart was doing something to Mascherano's leg with his right hand. I don't know if he was pulling leg hairs, or pinching him or what, but there was definitely something going on.  The announcing team began to comment how there have been issues with "officials" doing things intentionally to visiting players in certain countries. Also, Mascherano was smashed pretty hard on the play, but Argentina was slowing the game down at that point, and I'm guessing that was his motivation to have the cart.
 
2013-06-12 01:28:33 PM  

varmitydog: SovietCanuckistan: Soccer players are the biggest wimps in the sports world. Hockey player breaks leg, (Campbell) stays on the ice and finishes his shift. Soccer player gets a strong gust of wind as somebody runs past, looks like he took a sniper round in the chest. Farking pussies, every last one of them.

[newsimg.bbc.co.uk image 203x270]
Brian McBride, World Cup 2006. Took an elbow to the face that needed three stitches and finished the game.
And as a schoolboy soccer player in the Chicago area, he once broke his nose in the first half of a playoff game and came back and scored the winning goal.


The exception. He must be from North America.
 
2013-06-12 01:29:16 PM  

Halstread: SovietCanuckistan: Soccer players are the biggest wimps in the sports world. Hockey player breaks leg, (Campbell) stays on the ice and finishes his shift. Soccer player gets a strong gust of wind as somebody runs past, looks like he took a sniper round in the chest. Farking pussies, every last one of them.

You sound tough.


Tougher than any soccer player. You probably are too.
 
2013-06-12 01:31:45 PM  

Anderson's Pooper: varmitydog: Brian McBride, World Cup 2006. Took an elbow to the face that needed three stitches and finished the game.
And as a schoolboy soccer player in the Chicago area, he once broke his nose in the first half of a playoff game and came back and scored the winning goal.

Yeah but he's an Real American not some Eurotrash or 3rd worlder.


I have noticed that the more time an American spends playing soccer for clubs outside the US, the more they dive.

/I'm looking at you, Dempsey
 
2013-06-12 01:35:53 PM  

SovietCanuckistan: Soccer players are the biggest wimps in the sports world. Hockey player breaks leg, (Campbell) stays on the ice and finishes his shift. Soccer player gets a strong gust of wind as somebody runs past, looks like he took a sniper round in the chest. Farking pussies, every last one of them.


Well, a lot of that has to do with the fact that soccer is woefully under-reffed.  There are only 3 officials (4 if you count the guy playing with the LiteBrite) - and since the linesmen only run from their touchline to the centerline, you really only ever have 2 officials watching the action at any given point (when they are not running themselves).  If you do not embellish, the ref literally doesn't see that you were fouled (or sees it but figures that since you don't have a bone sticking out of you, it wasn't actually a foul).  It is very probable that if the other player could keep you upright, anal rape wouldn't draw a foul.  In comparison, football has what ... 10-20 officials per player, scattered across the field so as to reduce individual movement to shifting from one foot to the other?  And they will call fouls when the players are in the locker room just to see the hankies fly.

What soccer needs to do is put subsidiary officials on the pitch itself.  Put one official in each half, and let the ref mediate.  Hell, I'd even put those goal officials from the last World Cup in there, plus the half officials, the linesmen, and the ref (and LiteBrite boy*).

The other thing is that soccer refs are hilariously idiosyncratic.  What will get you a red card from one won't even rate a stern stare from another.  In that scenario, stop-drop-and-roll at least makes Referee Thunderdome posit that what happened to you might be worthy of consideration.  If FIFA wasn't so blatantly a bribe-generating business, with sports as a side project, I would say that some sort of ref-equalizing project would help somewhat.

This isn't to say there are not some horrid divers in soccer, but "being a man" would probably result in the opposing team simply bringing tire irons out on the pitch to hit you with.

*I will admit I have seen LB call the ref over and have him red card a guy for kicking another player away from the action, so he does occasionally earn his keep
 
2013-06-12 01:38:02 PM  

phalamir: SovietCanuckistan: Soccer players are the biggest wimps in the sports world. Hockey player breaks leg, (Campbell) stays on the ice and finishes his shift. Soccer player gets a strong gust of wind as somebody runs past, looks like he took a sniper round in the chest. Farking pussies, every last one of them.

Well, a lot of that has to do with the fact that soccer is woefully under-reffed.  There are only 3 officials (4 if you count the guy playing with the LiteBrite) - and since the linesmen only run from their touchline to the centerline, you really only ever have 2 officials watching the action at any given point (when they are not running themselves).  If you do not embellish, the ref literally doesn't see that you were fouled (or sees it but figures that since you don't have a bone sticking out of you, it wasn't actually a foul).  It is very probable that if the other player could keep you upright, anal rape wouldn't draw a foul.   In comparison, football has what ... 10-20 officials per player, scattered across the field so as to reduce individual movement to shifting from one foot to the other?  And they will call fouls when the players are in the locker room just to see the hankies fly.

What soccer needs to do is put subsidiary officials on the pitch itself.  Put one official in each half, and let the ref mediate.  Hell, I'd even put those goal officials from the last World Cup in there, plus the half officials, the linesmen, and the ref (and LiteBrite boy*).

The other thing is that soccer refs are hilariously idiosyncratic.  What will get you a red card from one won't even rate a stern stare from another.  In that scenario, stop-drop-and-roll at least makes Referee Thunderdome posit that what happened to you might be worthy of consideration.  If FIFA wasn't so blatantly a bribe-generating business, with sports as a side project, I would say that some sort of ref-equalizing project would help somewhat.

This isn't to say there are not some horrid divers in so ...


You make a good point.
 
2013-06-12 02:06:04 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: FireZs: DoBeDoBeDo: First he should be banned forever for an obvious dive and staying down/acting hurt enough to have a stretcher even on the field. You get a stretcher when you are paralyzed not because you got a boo boo on your knee.

Dog Welder: If you don't want to go on the cart, don't flop around and pretend you've been shot when you brush up against another player.

Most soccer collisions hurt like hell for a minute or two, but then go away. Think banging your shin on furniture. The vast majority of players who go down and are fine 2 minutes later aren't actually faking it.

Complete BS.  I've played competitive soccer for years.  They fake it and have ruined the sport.


It's not the faking that's bad, as people fake injuries in other sports as well. Soccer seems to be the only sport where it's accepted, a part of a winning strategy. Fake an injury in hockey and the next time a guy cross-checks you in the teeth the refs won't even stop the play.
 
2013-06-12 02:17:36 PM  

SovietCanuckistan: varmitydog: SovietCanuckistan: Soccer players are the biggest wimps in the sports world. Hockey player breaks leg, (Campbell) stays on the ice and finishes his shift. Soccer player gets a strong gust of wind as somebody runs past, looks like he took a sniper round in the chest. Farking pussies, every last one of them.

[newsimg.bbc.co.uk image 203x270]
Brian McBride, World Cup 2006. Took an elbow to the face that needed three stitches and finished the game.
And as a schoolboy soccer player in the Chicago area, he once broke his nose in the first half of a playoff game and came back and scored the winning goal.

The exception. He must be from North America.


That happens every second game in hockey. Only three stitches? They'll do that right on the bench. Won't miss your next shift.
 
2013-06-12 02:41:22 PM  

Russ1642: That happens every second game in hockey. Only three stitches? They'll do that right on the bench. Won't miss your next shift.


They get to rest between shifts? Luxury!

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2013-06-12 02:44:15 PM  

Russ1642: JusticeandIndependence: FireZs: DoBeDoBeDo: First he should be banned forever for an obvious dive and staying down/acting hurt enough to have a stretcher even on the field. You get a stretcher when you are paralyzed not because you got a boo boo on your knee.

Dog Welder: If you don't want to go on the cart, don't flop around and pretend you've been shot when you brush up against another player.

Most soccer collisions hurt like hell for a minute or two, but then go away. Think banging your shin on furniture. The vast majority of players who go down and are fine 2 minutes later aren't actually faking it.

Complete BS.  I've played competitive soccer for years.  They fake it and have ruined the sport.

It's not the faking that's bad, as people fake injuries in other sports as well. Soccer seems to be the only sport where it's accepted, a part of a winning strategy. Fake an injury in hockey and the next time a guy cross-checks you in the teeth the refs won't even stop the play.


You've obviously never seen Sidney Crosby play,
 
2013-06-12 03:38:14 PM  

rjakobi: Russ1642: JusticeandIndependence: FireZs: DoBeDoBeDo: First he should be banned forever for an obvious dive and staying down/acting hurt enough to have a stretcher even on the field. You get a stretcher when you are paralyzed not because you got a boo boo on your knee.

Dog Welder: If you don't want to go on the cart, don't flop around and pretend you've been shot when you brush up against another player.

Most soccer collisions hurt like hell for a minute or two, but then go away. Think banging your shin on furniture. The vast majority of players who go down and are fine 2 minutes later aren't actually faking it.

Complete BS.  I've played competitive soccer for years.  They fake it and have ruined the sport.

It's not the faking that's bad, as people fake injuries in other sports as well. Soccer seems to be the only sport where it's accepted, a part of a winning strategy. Fake an injury in hockey and the next time a guy cross-checks you in the teeth the refs won't even stop the play.

You've obviously never seen Sidney Crosby play,


Yes, all those teeth he lost were Chiclets he had in his pocket to fool the refs.
 
2013-06-12 03:43:57 PM  

varmitydog: SovietCanuckistan: Soccer players are the biggest wimps in the sports world. Hockey player breaks leg, (Campbell) stays on the ice and finishes his shift. Soccer player gets a strong gust of wind as somebody runs past, looks like he took a sniper round in the chest. Farking pussies, every last one of them.

[newsimg.bbc.co.uk image 203x270]
Brian McBride, World Cup 2006. Took an elbow to the face that needed three stitches and finished the game.
And as a schoolboy soccer player in the Chicago area, he once broke his nose in the first half of a playoff game and came back and scored the winning goal.


Three stitches?

[watch_out_we_got_a_badass_here.jpg]
 
2013-06-12 04:18:31 PM  

Gonz: Maradona's not coaching Argentina anymore? Aw, damn.


Don't cry for him.
 
2013-06-12 04:36:20 PM  
Soccer has a completely different mindset.  You are supposed to show pain.  I just took it up about two years ago after a lifetime in basketball and football.  A couple of teammates have told me I "need to fall down so the ref knows you were pushed.  And if he doesn't call it, grab your ankle so he knows he should call it."  Which is kind of understandable, but embarrassing nonetheless.

The shiattiest thing of all is it's spreading to basketball.
 
2013-06-12 04:39:35 PM  
Bert Trautmann laughs at SovietCanukistan's fake toughness
 
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