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(Fox News)   "This is your captain speaking. Welcome to our upgraded Boeing 787 Dreamliner, with new batteries that put out the fire automatically. We'll be ready for take... wait, can someone give us a jump start?"   (foxnews.com) divider line 37
    More: Followup, Dreamliner, All Nippon Airways, jump start, JAL, Haneda Airport  
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2013-06-12 08:30:12 AM
Someone on board was not thinking happy thoughts.
 
2013-06-12 09:14:16 AM
I don't like that they used a photo of an aircraft with the emergency slides deployed.
 
2013-06-12 09:20:51 AM
This is why this plane is a step back from the 747. At least on those, a pilot who knew what he was doing could easily pop the clutch with just a shove from the baggage handlers.
 
2013-06-12 09:22:10 AM
Dammit, I was hoping the problem was with the batteries.
 
2013-06-12 09:22:28 AM

Barfmaker: I don't like that they used a photo of an aircraft with the emergency slides deployed.


Why? Because you work for boeing?
 
2013-06-12 09:26:20 AM

Barfmaker: I don't like that they used a photo of an aircraft with the emergency slides deployed.


I didnt even notice it was Fox until you said this.
 
2013-06-12 09:27:33 AM
What's a Ube?

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-06-12 09:32:06 AM
I'm on a Dreamliner today from Houston to Chicago.  Wish me luck.
 
2013-06-12 09:33:30 AM

BiffDangler: I'm on a Dreamliner today from Houston to Chicago.  Wish me luck.


Don't know which is worse, being on an aircraft under high scrutiny or flying United.
 
2013-06-12 09:35:35 AM
Never buy Rev A.
 
2013-06-12 09:38:53 AM

moel: Why? Because you work for boeing?


Probably because an engine not starting wouldn't result in an emergency evacuation so it's a little disingenuous.
 
2013-06-12 09:41:58 AM

LessO2: What's a Ube?

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this:


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-06-12 09:59:28 AM

jtown: Never buy Rev A.


Rev -
Rev A
Rev B
Rev C  <---winner!

I'll wait
 
2013-06-12 10:12:15 AM
Is it just me, or does the common theme with these 787 problems seem to be Japanese Airlines? What exactly are they doing over there?
 
2013-06-12 10:14:52 AM

crab66: moel: Why? Because you work for boeing?

Probably because an engine not starting wouldn't result in an emergency evacuation so it's a little disingenuous.


But if something screws up your travel plans and your schedule, you should have some fun with it.  "Sorry folks, the plane is broken and we have to deboard and go back to terminal, enjoy the slide."
 
2013-06-12 10:59:00 AM

Barfmaker: I don't like that they used a photo of an aircraft with the emergency slides deployed.


Are there any photos in existence with them *not* deployed?

Farking death on two wings, that beast is.

/Screamliner/
 
2013-06-12 10:59:39 AM

BigNumber12: Is it just me, or does the common theme with these 787 problems seem to be Japanese Airlines? What exactly are they doing over there?


They've bought most of the planes so far.
 
2013-06-12 11:04:34 AM

BiffDangler: I'm on a Dreamliner today from Houston to Chicago.  Wish me luck.


Don't have the fish.
 
2013-06-12 11:09:02 AM

BigNumber12: Is it just me, or does the common theme with these 787 problems seem to be Japanese Airlines? What exactly are they doing over there?


Well, nearly half the 787s currently in use are in Japan. JAL and ANA were the two main launch customers, so not only do they have the biggest fleets, they also have the first planes off the assembly line.
 
2013-06-12 11:13:26 AM

crab66: moel: Why? Because you work for boeing?

Probably because an engine not starting wouldn't result in an emergency evacuation so it's a little disingenuous.


Well, that rather depends on where you are when the engine fails to start, now, doesn't it?
 
2013-06-12 11:30:18 AM

Man On Pink Corner: crab66: moel: Why? Because you work for boeing?

Probably because an engine not starting wouldn't result in an emergency evacuation so it's a little disingenuous.

Well, that rather depends on where you are when the engine fails to start, now, doesn't it?


If the engine fails to start there's not a huge variety of places you're going to be.
 
2013-06-12 11:32:07 AM
<GE stands nearby, hoping nobody notices the label on the engine in question>
 
2013-06-12 11:41:38 AM

BigNumber12: Is it just me, or does the common theme with these 787 problems seem to be Japanese Airlines? What exactly are they doing over there?


hmmm...  because they are one of Boeing first and so far very few customers of the 787s and also bought the most units.
 
2013-06-12 11:44:41 AM

The Envoy: If the engine fails to start there's not a huge variety of places you're going to be.


True.  If both of them fail to restart in flight, you can crash into the ocean, you can crash into fresh water, you can crash into a mountain, you can crash into a stand of trees, or you can crash into a building.  I'm sure there are other possibilities that I've neglected to enumerate.
 
2013-06-12 11:50:06 AM
Headline fail...  The main engines in any of the medium/large jets can not start off battery power.   The batteries start the APU (mini jet turbine), which is then used to start one main engine via compressed air or electrical power (strictly electrical in the 787).  The other jet engine then started from power provided by both the APU as well as the other running engine.   (and in reverse, after landing the APU is restarted using power from the main engines, not the batteries)
 
2013-06-12 12:17:58 PM

Man On Pink Corner: The Envoy: If the engine fails to start there's not a huge variety of places you're going to be.

True.  If both of them fail to restart in flight, you can crash into the ocean, you can crash into fresh water, you can crash into a mountain, you can crash into a stand of trees, or you can crash into a building.  I'm sure there are other possibilities that I've neglected to enumerate.


If they fail to start, you'll still be at the gate.
 
2013-06-12 01:12:24 PM

The Envoy: Man On Pink Corner: The Envoy: If the engine fails to start there's not a huge variety of places you're going to be.

True.  If both of them fail to restart in flight, you can crash into the ocean, you can crash into fresh water, you can crash into a mountain, you can crash into a stand of trees, or you can crash into a building.  I'm sure there are other possibilities that I've neglected to enumerate.

If they fail to start, you'll still be at the gate.


Look up the acronym ETOPS in the FAA regs.  It means "Engines Turn Or Passengers Swim."
 
2013-06-12 01:13:34 PM

The Envoy: If the engine fails to start there's not a huge variety of places you're going to be.


The Envoy: If they fail to start, you'll still be at the gate.



Wrong and wrong again.  During a flameout, yourestart the engine in question, if at all possible, and if not, emergency landing asap.  This is particularly important when a jet aircraft is over three miles high, has only two massive engines, and one giant problem with obesity... else you can grab your ankles and kiss your ass goodbye. :P
 
2013-06-12 01:13:48 PM

Man On Pink Corner: The Envoy: If the engine fails to start there's not a huge variety of places you're going to be.

True.  If both of them fail to restart in flight, you can crash into the ocean, you can crash into fresh water, you can crash into a mountain, you can crash into a stand of trees, or you can crash into a building.  I'm sure there are other possibilities that I've neglected to enumerate.


You could also crash into a nest of honey bees
 
2013-06-12 01:47:07 PM

koder: This is particularly important when a jet aircraft is over three miles high


It's a much bigger problem when you are not so high actually.
 
2013-06-12 02:34:33 PM

Cormee: Man On Pink Corner: The Envoy: If the engine fails to start there's not a huge variety of places you're going to be.

True.  If both of them fail to restart in flight, you can crash into the ocean, you can crash into fresh water, you can crash into a mountain, you can crash into a stand of trees, or you can crash into a building.  I'm sure there are other possibilities that I've neglected to enumerate.

You could also crash into a nest of honey bees


Better than honey badgers.
 
2013-06-12 02:39:05 PM

smokingcrator: Headline fail...  The main engines in any of the medium/large jets can not start off battery power.   The batteries start the APU (mini jet turbine), which is then used to start one main engine via compressed air or electrical power (strictly electrical in the 787).  The other jet engine then started from power provided by both the APU as well as the other running engine.   (and in reverse, after landing the APU is restarted using power from the main engines, not the batteries)


Less of your facts, please. Everyone knows that all parts of an aircraft are exactly the same thing and are made by the same people.
 
2013-06-12 07:11:15 PM
The plane's captain should have taken a cue from Captain Kirk. He should have gone out on the wing, hung off the edge, and kicked the engine a few times while the co-pilot tried to start it.
 
2013-06-12 10:14:53 PM

Man On Pink Corner: Look up the acronym ETOPS in the FAA regs.  It means "Engines Turn Or Passengers Swim."


No it doesn't.
 
2013-06-13 12:49:01 AM

Sybarite: Someone on board was not thinking happy thoughts.


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-06-13 01:22:43 AM

costermonger: Man On Pink Corner: Look up the acronym ETOPS in the FAA regs.  It means "Engines Turn Or Passengers Swim."

No it doesn't.


Also, the word "gullible" isn't in the dictionary
 
2013-06-13 05:07:06 AM

Man On Pink Corner: Look up the acronym ETOPS in the FAA regs. It means "Engines Turn Or Passengers Swim."



koder:  Wrong and wrong again.  During a flameout, yourestart the engine in question, if at all possible, and if not, emergency landing asap.  This is particularly important when a jet aircraft is over three miles high, has only two massive engines, and one giant problem with obesity... else you can grab your ankles and kiss your ass goodbye. :P

Jesus christ, you two have butchered the (admittedly not great) joke.  I know all that about engine restarts.The joke was that if the engines don't start, as in initial start, then the plane can't even take off!  Get it?
 
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