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(Cracked)   When even Cracked has to weigh in on the NSA wiretapping scandal, you know the fit has hit the shan. The scariest thing is they're right   (cracked.com) divider line 21
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2013-06-12 08:11:51 AM
"the Fourth Amendment, the one against unlawful searches and seizures, officially doesn't apply to that thing you use to read Cracked while pooping."

Patrick Henry weeps.
 
2013-06-12 08:58:41 AM
I'm so scared, I can hardly muster the courage to logon to the internet and mock right-wing wolf-criers.
 
2013-06-12 09:09:58 AM
Getting your call records is not "wiretapping." There is no data collection.

Also, if everyone's pissed about this, why aren't they pissed that the companies are collecting this data AT ALL? They sell that shiat, you know....
 
2013-06-12 09:11:16 AM
The one about how we already had this scandal is pretty true.  Except the last time we had it, it had the added detail that Bush couldn't even be bothered with the rubber-stamp FISA court.

It seems a little odd to see so many people acting as if this is new or unexpected.
 
2013-06-12 09:35:58 AM
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2013-06-12 09:40:24 AM

Skleenar: The one about how we already had this scandal is pretty true.  Except the last time we had it, it had the added detail that Bush couldn't even be bothered with the rubber-stamp FISA court.

It seems a little odd to see so many people acting as if this is new or unexpected.


Not really all that odd though is it? Obama Derangement Syndrome is nothing new. For a substantial minority of the population, the most significant aspect of any given event is the degree to which Obama can be hurt by it.
 
2013-06-12 09:47:02 AM

salvador.hardin: Not really all that odd though is it? Obama Derangement Syndrome is nothing new. For a substantial minority of the population, the most significant aspect of any given event is the degree to which Obama can be hurt by it.


Well, sure.  But there are plenty of putative "libs" who are going around saying "Bush Lite", etc.

I mean, sure, it would have been nice in one sense if Obama had single-handedly dismantled the surveillance state, but I don't think I ever thought that was a realistic outcome.  I was hoping for, at best, a nod to the rule of law in its conduct.
 
2013-06-12 10:16:14 AM
4 Reasons to Be Angrier That the NSA Is Tapping Your Phone

Except that they're not tapping your phone. They are asking the phone company for a copy of the phone records that the companies were already keeping in order to bill you.

If you wanna be mad about this, great! Let's get active on ending this practice and get serious about letting the lawmakers know we do not approve and want it changed now! Do it!!!
BUT... it helps if you farking know what you're talking about.

This is NOT WIRETAPPING. If you think of your phone like your car, this isn't the government sending black helicopters to follow every car around, it's the government sending up a traffic copter to look for weird activity, and video tape it for later. Now, it certainly does feel really creep has lots of potential for abuse. But it doesn't help to falsely equate it with illegally wiretapping phone calls without warrants, without congressional approval, and without judicial oversight.
 
2013-06-12 10:17:57 AM
*video taping *creepy
 
2013-06-12 12:14:49 PM
This isn't the first time Cracked weighed in on a current news story, especially one about personal rights. "The Bravest Knight" is one of the best summaries of the Yoo/Bybee/Bradbury Memos I can think of.
 
2013-06-12 12:22:07 PM
Garble
Except that they're not tapping your phone. They are asking the phone company for a copy of the phone records that the companies were already keeping in order to bill you.

Your phone appears to be the one thing they aren't tapping, though... probably because there are so many older laws that restrict phone tapping. Your internet communications are a different story. Notice how Obama was specific to say "we aren't listening to your phone calls", and not "we aren't collecting your e-mails" or "we aren't collecting your credit card transactions"?
 
2013-06-12 12:23:24 PM
I have this all figured out.

This (technically) legal (best kind of legal) wiretapping has been revealed at this time because Robert Mueller (the current FBI director) is scheduled to retire in September, which makes us vulnerable to some kind of attack (I read this somewhere).

One of two things will happen:

1. Americans will be scared for a day, but realize they don't have to put up with the wiretapping and demand the law that made it (technically) legal (best kind of legal) be overturned.

or

2. Americans will be scared shiatless and demand the law be expanded.

Either way Spybongo will be impeached.

/This has been my conspiracy of the day.
 
2013-06-12 12:24:01 PM

Grungehamster: This isn't the first time Cracked weighed in on a current news story, especially one about personal rights. "The Bravest Knight" is one of the best summaries of the Yoo/Bybee/Bradbury Memos I can think of.


Link don't work. I'd like to read it.
 
2013-06-12 12:32:32 PM

GreatGlavinsGhost: Grungehamster: This isn't the first time Cracked weighed in on a current news story, especially one about personal rights. "The Bravest Knight" is one of the best summaries of the Yoo/Bybee/Bradbury Memos I can think of.

Link don't work. I'd like to read it.


http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-guantanamo-bay-torture-memos-for-kid s/
 
2013-06-12 01:01:32 PM

un4gvn666: GreatGlavinsGhost: Grungehamster: This isn't the first time Cracked weighed in on a current news story, especially one about personal rights. "The Bravest Knight" is one of the best summaries of the Yoo/Bybee/Bradbury Memos I can think of.

Link don't work. I'd like to read it.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-guantanamo-bay-torture-memos-for-kid s/


Very nice, thank you.
 
2013-06-12 03:02:07 PM

Garble: 4 Reasons to Be Angrier That the NSA Is Tapping Your Phone

Except that they're not tapping your phone. They are asking the phone company for a copy of the phone records that the companies were already keeping in order to bill you.

If you wanna be mad about this, great! Let's get active on ending this practice and get serious about letting the lawmakers know we do not approve and want it changed now! Do it!!!
BUT... it helps if you farking know what you're talking about.

This is NOT WIRETAPPING. If you think of your phone like your car, this isn't the government sending black helicopters to follow every car around, it's the government sending up a traffic copter to look for weird activity, and video tape it for later. Now, it certainly does feel really creep has lots of potential for abuse. But it doesn't help to falsely equate it with illegally wiretapping phone calls without warrants, without congressional approval, and without judicial oversight.


Aaaand if you believe that, we've got some wonderful bridges for sale!
 
2013-06-12 03:46:31 PM

MrEricSir: Garble: 4 Reasons to Be Angrier That the NSA Is Tapping Your Phone

Except that they're not tapping your phone. They are asking the phone company for a copy of the phone records that the companies were already keeping in order to bill you.

If you wanna be mad about this, great! Let's get active on ending this practice and get serious about letting the lawmakers know we do not approve and want it changed now! Do it!!!
BUT... it helps if you farking know what you're talking about.

This is NOT WIRETAPPING. If you think of your phone like your car, this isn't the government sending black helicopters to follow every car around, it's the government sending up a traffic copter to look for weird activity, and video tape it for later. Now, it certainly does feel really creep has lots of potential for abuse. But it doesn't help to falsely equate it with illegally wiretapping phone calls without warrants, without congressional approval, and without judicial oversight.

Aaaand if you believe that, we've got some wonderful bridges for sale!


Garble is right. Big Data analysis is not wiretapping. If you believe it is, than I'll broker those bridges you have on hand.

Note, that I'm not defending the practice, but if you are outraged by the government doing this for public safety reasons, then your head will explode when you find out the same companies that supplied these records to the NSA are marketing it to other companies for a profit, and those companies are using that data to make money off of you using the same off the shelf tech that the NSA is using, namely hadoop.
 
2013-06-12 04:35:00 PM

Skleenar: salvador.hardin: Not really all that odd though is it? Obama Derangement Syndrome is nothing new. For a substantial minority of the population, the most significant aspect of any given event is the degree to which Obama can be hurt by it.

Well, sure.  But there are plenty of putative "libs" who are going around saying "Bush Lite", etc.

I mean, sure, it would have been nice in one sense if Obama had single-handedly dismantled the surveillance state, but I don't think I ever thought that was a realistic outcome.  I was hoping for, at best, a nod to the rule of law in its conduct.


it was bad under Bush and it's just as bad under Obama.  Maybe it's worse.  That's the problem.  The people we pay to run the country can't be bothered to be...you know...accountable to the people paying them.  It doesn't matter whose side your on, this is another lunge toward something the American people don't want and are increasingly uneasy about supporting.
 
2013-06-12 05:08:13 PM

Trey Le Parc: it was bad under Bush and it's just as bad under Obama. Maybe it's worse.


Well, I argue that it was worse under Bush and worse under Obama:  Under Bush, it was done without regard to 4th amendment rights or the prevailing statutes, as flawed as they are.  Under Obama, while so far appearing to be governed by the prevailing statutes, its worse because:

1. There's just that much more technical capability to do this, and at the same time a greater reliance on the exact forms of communication these programs target, and
2. It is now legal to do this.*


*or what so far has been reported.
 
2013-06-12 06:54:44 PM

Trey Le Parc: Skleenar: salvador.hardin: Not really all that odd though is it? Obama Derangement Syndrome is nothing new. For a substantial minority of the population, the most significant aspect of any given event is the degree to which Obama can be hurt by it.

Well, sure.  But there are plenty of putative "libs" who are going around saying "Bush Lite", etc.

I mean, sure, it would have been nice in one sense if Obama had single-handedly dismantled the surveillance state, but I don't think I ever thought that was a realistic outcome.  I was hoping for, at best, a nod to the rule of law in its conduct.

it was bad under Bush and it's just as bad under Obama.  Maybe it's worse.  That's the problem.  The people we pay to run the country can't be bothered to be...you know...accountable to the people paying them.  It doesn't matter whose side your on, this is another lunge toward something the American people don't want and are increasingly uneasy about supporting.


The success of social media suggests otherwise. The American people rejected the privacy hawks quite unambiguously ten years ago (the words traitor and america-hater were thrown around liberally) and have embraced the aggregation and sale of their private data enthusiastically ever since. They will return to ignoring the issue entirely in another two weeks. The only reason this is getting any room in the zeitgeist at the moment is ODS. The right loves to hate him and the media loves getting the right all riled up because its good for ratings.

If the American people actually cared about privacy they'd be hassling congress to restrict executive powers or withdraw the telecoms' immunity from civil liability, not bickering about which invasion of privacy under which president is maybe worse than maybe the other. There is no substance to this national privacy "conversation", like every other national conversation it is absolutely about what side you are on.
 
2013-06-13 12:13:46 AM

Skleenar: The one about how we already had this scandal is pretty true.  Except the last time we had it, it had the added detail that Bush couldn't even be bothered with the rubber-stamp FISA court.

It seems a little odd to see so many people acting as if this is new or unexpected.


Well, there's another difference. The Bush administration was collecting the actual content of calls. The current thing is collecting information about calls, like phone numbers and times of calls, not the actual calls, themselves.
 
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