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(NBC News)   Multiple out-of-control wildfires raging in Colorado. Again. EVERYBODY PANIC   (usnews.nbcnews.com) divider line 110
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2013-06-11 11:55:59 PM  
THANKS OBAMA.
 
2013-06-12 12:06:53 AM  
It's almost as if fires occur in high desert/temperate forest areas periodically. Like the ecosystem needed them or something.
 
2013-06-12 12:07:58 AM  

Twitch Boy: THANKS OBAMA.


Ah, beat me to it.
 
2013-06-12 12:10:26 AM  
We have friends who have evacuated from Black Forest and are in danger of losing their home tonight.
 
2013-06-12 12:11:46 AM  

Gyrfalcon: It's almost as if fires occur in high desert/temperate forest areas periodically. Like the ecosystem needed them or something.


Burn out the hipsters who think living in the country has all the 'amenities'  of living near support services, infrastructure and 911 close at hand.

Ha
 
2013-06-12 12:14:54 AM  
Been a hell of a day starting around 1:30 with the Royal Gorge fire and then about a half hour later the North side of town exploded with fire. By 4:00 with a third going further south, live shots of million dollar homes burning to ashes in minutes. Just before dark a fourth fire started along Fountain creek in Pueblo.

It hasn't even been a year since the West side burned and folks are just starting to rebuild. At least today was the peak of our heat wave and will be 20 degrees cooler by Monday.
 
2013-06-12 12:15:03 AM  

dustbunnyboo: We have friends who have evacuated from Black Forest and are in danger of losing their home tonight.


That sucks.  Hopefully, they took measures to keep things as safe as possible when living in these areas.  It is not all that hard but is a must when living in or by the forest.
 
2013-06-12 12:16:34 AM  

Gyrfalcon: It's almost as if fires occur in high desert/temperate forest areas periodically. Like the ecosystem needed evolved along with them or something.

 
2013-06-12 12:16:36 AM  
Here in Colorado, we call this phenomenon "summer".
 
2013-06-12 12:18:02 AM  
While it might be nice to live among the trees, you might still want an arrow's reach clear around the house.

At least everyone has stopped doing cedar shingles, right?
 
2013-06-12 12:20:32 AM  
As natural disasters go, I prefer forest fires over hurricanes, earthquakes, floods, and freaky tornadoes.

/helps to live in Denver where there are no trees
 
2013-06-12 12:21:42 AM  
We're getting hit fairly hard here in northern New Mexico as well.

Almost this exact time last year I was here in a thread talking about bailing to Los Alamos to escape the High Park fire in Fort Collins, and here I am with burned pine needles raining down on my head, choking on smoke from a different fire.

Meh.
 
2013-06-12 12:23:03 AM  

Clemkadidlefark: Gyrfalcon: It's almost as if fires occur in high desert/temperate forest areas periodically. Like the ecosystem needed them or something.

Burn out the hipsters who think living in the country has all the 'amenities'  of living near support services, infrastructure and 911 close at hand.

Ha


Do you even know the the type of people who live in the Springs? Hipsters ain't it.
 
2013-06-12 12:23:39 AM  
From Denver, the smoke from the Black Forest fire (60 miles south) looks like a billowy white cloud bank across the entire southern horizon.

For my whole life in Colorado, June was afternoon showers and pleasant sun. Maybe some real heat in late August.

Now and for the last few years in my home state, June is drought, water restrictions, 96 degrees fahrenheit and California-style wildfires.
 
2013-06-12 12:28:35 AM  
Wait I thought it was dust storms, hum, so fire burns down more vegetation, more dust storms, yay.
 
2013-06-12 12:30:03 AM  

Little Nikke: Clemkadidlefark: Gyrfalcon: It's almost as if fires occur in high desert/temperate forest areas periodically. Like the ecosystem needed them or something.

Burn out the hipsters who think living in the country has all the 'amenities'  of living near support services, infrastructure and 911 close at hand.

Ha

Do you even know the the type of people who live in the Springs? Hipsters ain't it.


James Dobson and Ted Haggard were into religious hypocrisy before it was cool, man.
 
2013-06-12 12:30:14 AM  
What a wearisome headline. Fark sucks these days. Too many lib children. And yes, The Royal Gorge Bridge is far cooler than your bridge, even in flames!
 
2013-06-12 12:32:06 AM  

AliceBToklasLives: As natural disasters go, I prefer forest fires over hurricanes, earthquakes, floods, and freaky tornadoes.

/helps to live in Denver where there are no trees


As natural disasters go I'm glad I live where there are none. We only experience human folly. Yay
 
2013-06-12 12:32:13 AM  

Friction8r: What a wearisome headline. Fark sucks these days. Too many lib children. And yes, The Royal Gorge Bridge is far cooler than your bridge, even in flames!


This is absolute trufax.

Flames or no, I miss Colorado.
 
2013-06-12 12:37:29 AM  

Gyrfalcon: It's almost as if fires occur in high desert/temperate forest areas periodically. Like the ecosystem needed them or something.


This isn't normal, it's only the second time in the last 60 years that my particular part of CO has had less than 300 inches of snow. I mean, I know that fire is a necessary part of forest development... but these beetles aren't indigenous, and they make the fires far worse, this low snow because of climate change is very much not normal, and also exacerbates fire dangers. We're to the point with these fires that it isn't old dense growth thats burning, dropping new pine cones and helping them seed... we're kind of at the point where it feels like everything burns, new saplings, reasonably short grass, everything.
 
2013-06-12 12:38:48 AM  

HeadLever: Hopefully, they took measures to keep things as safe as possible when living in these areas.  It is not all that hard but is a must when living in or by the forest.


I may have to disagree with you there. It is (or can be) a fark ton of work. We bought a 20 acre property deep in the forest in the Pacific NW a few years ago, and I started clearing brush and debris around the house to provide defensible space for the FD when the time comes. Having a day job and not endless finances, it takes a long time and a lot of hard work to get that done. I also bought an old fire truck to convert into an adventure mobile (another project that takes time and money) which came with an external pump that is now hooked up to our rainwater pond. After all that, when it's time to go, we're going. Emergency supplies for us and the dogs are ready along with important paperwork. If there's enough time to grab the computers we'll take those, too. Everything else is just stuff and is insured. Sure, it would suck big time to lose it all and start from scratch, but that's part of living in (our) paradise.
 
2013-06-12 12:39:49 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-12 12:40:07 AM  

BuckTurgidson: From Denver, the smoke from the Black Forest fire (60 miles south) looks like a billowy white cloud bank across the entire southern horizon.

For my whole life in Colorado, June was afternoon showers and pleasant sun. Maybe some real heat in late August.

Now and for the last few years in my home state, June is drought, water restrictions, 96 degrees fahrenheit and California-style wildfires.


Are you trying to insinuate global climate change? Don't do that please. If you do this thread is going to turn into a thread full of graphs and large green text.
 
2013-06-12 12:40:10 AM  

radarlove: Friction8r: What a wearisome headline. Fark sucks these days. Too many lib children. And yes, The Royal Gorge Bridge is far cooler than your bridge, even in flames!

This is absolute trufax.

Flames or no, I miss Colorado.


I kinda want to go to Colorado well since they legalized or whatever but for other reasons as well.
 
2013-06-12 12:40:16 AM  
I've lived here three years, fires are a normal summer occurrence, right?
 
2013-06-12 12:42:47 AM  
I'm going to be in Denver/Boulder for several days on either side of a work meeting, I'll have a rental car and some time to kill.  Can someone recommend fun day trips?  I'm thinking Estes Park or Mt Evans might be fun.  What else should I see?
 
2013-06-12 12:43:31 AM  

firefly212: Gyrfalcon: It's almost as if fires occur in high desert/temperate forest areas periodically. Like the ecosystem needed them or something.

This isn't normal, it's only the second time in the last 60 years that my particular part of CO has had less than 300 inches of snow. I mean, I know that fire is a necessary part of forest development... but these beetles aren't indigenous, and they make the fires far worse, this low snow because of climate change is very much not normal, and also exacerbates fire dangers. We're to the point with these fires that it isn't old dense growth thats burning, dropping new pine cones and helping them seed... we're kind of at the point where it feels like everything burns, new saplings, reasonably short grass, everything.


That doesn't sound good, sorry : (
 
2013-06-12 12:44:53 AM  

SurelyShirley: HeadLever: Hopefully, they took measures to keep things as safe as possible when living in these areas.  It is not all that hard but is a must when living in or by the forest.

I may have to disagree with you there. It is (or can be) a fark ton of work.


Yeah, I should have said straight-forward as opposed to hard.  It is not hard to figure out what to do, but it may include removing cords and cords of wood and tons of brush depending upon how bad things are overgrown.
 
2013-06-12 12:45:00 AM  

Marshall Willenholly: I'm going to be in Denver/Boulder for several days on either side of a work meeting, I'll have a rental car and some time to kill.  Can someone recommend fun day trips?  I'm thinking Estes Park or Mt Evans might be fun.  What else should I see?


Estes Park has terrible traffic and fat people. Just drive around the mountains, seriously.
 
2013-06-12 12:45:43 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: radarlove: Friction8r: What a wearisome headline. Fark sucks these days. Too many lib children. And yes, The Royal Gorge Bridge is far cooler than your bridge, even in flames!

This is absolute trufax.

Flames or no, I miss Colorado.

I kinda want to go to Colorado well since they legalized or whatever but for other reasons as well.


pick me up on the way. we'll go, uh, skiing. yes. skiing. that's it
 
2013-06-12 12:46:54 AM  

firefly212: Gyrfalcon: It's almost as if fires occur in high desert/temperate forest areas periodically. Like the ecosystem needed them or something.

This isn't normal, it's only the second time in the last 60 years that my particular part of CO has had less than 300 inches of snow. I mean, I know that fire is a necessary part of forest development... but these beetles aren't indigenous, and they make the fires far worse, this low snow because of climate change is very much not normal, and also exacerbates fire dangers. We're to the point with these fires that it isn't old dense growth thats burning, dropping new pine cones and helping them seed... we're kind of at the point where it feels like everything burns, new saplings, reasonably short grass, everything.


... And the now ever-milder winters fail to drive down the pine beetle population, so this year and for the foreseeable future we can anticipate ever-growing expanses of dead, utterly sere, tarry ex-Christmas trees draping the Rocky Mountain range from Canada to Mexico, awaiting the first lightning spark.
 
2013-06-12 12:48:14 AM  
I'm also looking for a job in CO, if anyone wants to interview me while I'm in town.
 
2013-06-12 12:49:22 AM  

Marshall Willenholly: I'm going to be in Denver/Boulder for several days on either side of a work meeting, I'll have a rental car and some time to kill.  Can someone recommend fun day trips?  I'm thinking Estes Park or Mt Evans might be fun.  What else should I see?


Red Rocks, Garden of the Gods, botanical Gardens, Pikes Peak Shotgun Willies and Diamond cabaret!
 
2013-06-12 12:50:03 AM  

ongbok: BuckTurgidson: From Denver, the smoke from the Black Forest fire (60 miles south) looks like a billowy white cloud bank across the entire southern horizon.

For my whole life in Colorado, June was afternoon showers and pleasant sun. Maybe some real heat in late August.

Now and for the last few years in my home state, June is drought, water restrictions, 96 degrees fahrenheit and California-style wildfires.

Are you trying to insinuate global climate change? Don't do that please. If you do this thread is going to turn into a thread full of graphs and large green text.



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2013-06-12 12:52:42 AM  

BuckTurgidson: firefly212: Gyrfalcon: It's almost as if fires occur in high desert/temperate forest areas periodically. Like the ecosystem needed them or something.

This isn't normal, it's only the second time in the last 60 years that my particular part of CO has had less than 300 inches of snow. I mean, I know that fire is a necessary part of forest development... but these beetles aren't indigenous, and they make the fires far worse, this low snow because of climate change is very much not normal, and also exacerbates fire dangers. We're to the point with these fires that it isn't old dense growth thats burning, dropping new pine cones and helping them seed... we're kind of at the point where it feels like everything burns, new saplings, reasonably short grass, everything.

... And the now ever-milder winters fail to drive down the pine beetle population, so this year and for the foreseeable future we can anticipate ever-growing expanses of dead, utterly sere, tarry ex-Christmas trees draping the Rocky Mountain range from Canada to Mexico, awaiting the first lightning spark.


Ayup. I was amazed a few years ago when we were driving from Denver to Avon the expanses of bugkill - swathes of bright red dead trees against the white snow. It'll take many years to burn that crap out and give Ma Nature a chance to revamp herself in these areas. :(
 
2013-06-12 12:54:13 AM  
Don't worry, Gov Hickenlooper will respond to this by placing a tax on firewood and a prohibition on campfires which should solve the wildfire crisis.

The man knows how to handle crises.
 
2013-06-12 12:55:20 AM  
And yes, The Broadmoor Hotel is nicer than your hotel!
 
2013-06-12 12:56:02 AM  

Marshall Willenholly: I'm going to be in Denver/Boulder for several days on either side of a work meeting, I'll have a rental car and some time to kill.  Can someone recommend fun day trips?  I'm thinking Estes Park or Mt Evans might be fun.  What else should I see?


Trail Ridge Road in Rocky Mountain National Park offers a gateway to the largest 'available' sample of Alpine Tundra ecosystems. It is the highest continuous paved highway in NA, topping out at just over 12,000 feet above sea level.

Well worth the drive. You can spend an entire day there stopping at all the parking areas, reading the posted info, taking pictures of our mountains majesty, viewing herds of elk, and enjoying an ecosystem that is fragile and wonderous.

Or, Shotgun Willie's if you want boobs.
 
2013-06-12 12:57:26 AM  
Forgive my ignorance, but is it reasonable to have small/medium sized water tank on the roof of structures in high fire danger areas?  A tank that can provide a steady stream of water over said structure to help resist ignition?  That and doing away with eaves and other structural traps that can allow cinders to thrive?
 
2013-06-12 12:57:35 AM  

raptusregaliter: Ayup. I was amazed a few years ago when we were driving from Denver to Avon the expanses of bugkill - swathes of bright red dead trees against the white snow. It'll take many years to burn that crap out and give Ma Nature a chance to revamp herself in these areas. :(


Now they are bigger swathes of gray dead trees.  They are even scarier up close.
 
2013-06-12 12:58:34 AM  

Omahawg: tinfoil-hat maggie: radarlove: Friction8r: What a wearisome headline. Fark sucks these days. Too many lib children. And yes, The Royal Gorge Bridge is far cooler than your bridge, even in flames!

This is absolute trufax.

Flames or no, I miss Colorado.

I kinda want to go to Colorado well since they legalized or whatever but for other reasons as well.

pick me up on the way. we'll go, uh, skiing. yes. skiing. that's it


Sounds good ; )
 
2013-06-12 01:00:02 AM  

AliceBToklasLives: As natural disasters go, I prefer forest fires over hurricanes, earthquakes, floods, and freaky tornadoes.

/helps to live in Denver where there are no trees


I lived in Denver for 30 years; there are plenty of grand old trees.  You live in one of the 'burbs.
 
2013-06-12 01:02:13 AM  
Casa Bonita....
 
2013-06-12 01:03:07 AM  

dustbunnyboo: We have friends who have evacuated from Black Forest and are in danger of losing their home tonight.


Us, too. And my son is at a Scout camp just to the North of the fire.  My wife is a basket case right now
 
2013-06-12 01:03:42 AM  

Omahawg: tinfoil-hat maggie: radarlove: Friction8r: What a wearisome headline. Fark sucks these days. Too many lib children. And yes, The Royal Gorge Bridge is far cooler than your bridge, even in flames!

This is absolute trufax.

Flames or no, I miss Colorado.

I kinda want to go to Colorado well since they legalized or whatever but for other reasons as well.

pick me up on the way. we'll go, uh, skiing. yes. skiing. that's it



Careful she may take you up on that.
 
2013-06-12 01:04:29 AM  

EdNortonsTwin: Forgive my ignorance, but is it reasonable to have small/medium sized water tank on the roof of structures in high fire danger areas?  A tank that can provide a steady stream of water over said structure to help resist ignition?  That and doing away with eaves and other structural traps that can allow cinders to thrive?


Nice idea, but I'm afraid scarcely practical, in my utterly inexperienced, unprofessional opinion:

The time-frame of hazard from the shifting-filling-and-fading-winds wildfire ranges from minutes to days, your tank ain't never gonna be big enough.
 
2013-06-12 01:04:35 AM  

Thecyanide: Casa Bonita....


No. It's dark, smells like mold and chlorine and I saw a lady use the bathroom and not wash her hands.
 
2013-06-12 01:05:41 AM  

SearchN: Omahawg: tinfoil-hat maggie: radarlove: Friction8r: What a wearisome headline. Fark sucks these days. Too many lib children. And yes, The Royal Gorge Bridge is far cooler than your bridge, even in flames!

This is absolute trufax.

Flames or no, I miss Colorado.

I kinda want to go to Colorado well since they legalized or whatever but for other reasons as well.

pick me up on the way. we'll go, uh, skiing. yes. skiing. that's it


Careful she may take you up on that.


You hush. I'd be good ; )
 
2013-06-12 01:06:55 AM  

Phillip Ondiz: Marshall Willenholly: I'm going to be in Denver/Boulder for several days on either side of a work meeting, I'll have a rental car and some time to kill.  Can someone recommend fun day trips?  I'm thinking Estes Park or Mt Evans might be fun.  What else should I see?

Trail Ridge Road in Rocky Mountain National Park offers a gateway to the largest 'available' sample of Alpine Tundra ecosystems. It is the highest continuous paved highway in NA, topping out at just over 12,000 feet above sea level.

Well worth the drive. You can spend an entire day there stopping at all the parking areas, reading the posted info, taking pictures of our mountains majesty, viewing herds of elk, and enjoying an ecosystem that is fragile and wonderous.

Or, Shotgun Willie's if you want boobs.


Don't forget to hit Applejack. Enough booze there to hurt your liver by looking at the place.

Also, try to spend some time in Boulder if you can. Crazy but fun place, right at the base of the Mountains.
 
2013-06-12 01:13:26 AM  

firefly212: Gyrfalcon: It's almost as if fires occur in high desert/temperate forest areas periodically. Like the ecosystem needed them or something.

This isn't normal, it's only the second time in the last 60 years that my particular part of CO has had less than 300 inches of snow. I mean, I know that fire is a necessary part of forest development... but these beetles aren't indigenous, and they make the fires far worse, this low snow because of climate change is very much not normal, and also exacerbates fire dangers. We're to the point with these fires that it isn't old dense growth thats burning, dropping new pine cones and helping them seed... we're kind of at the point where it feels like everything burns, new saplings, reasonably short grass, everything.


Au contraire, this is exactly how nature puts things back in balance. Too warm a climate = too many bark beetles = too many dead trees = prime fire conditions. Burn out the dead trees also gets rid of the bark beetles, thins out the trees to where the beetles can't overbreed like they have been, et viola! things are back where they should be. It makes very little difference whether the unusually warm & dry conditions are a result of human meddling or cyclical El Nino/La Nina like in 950 AD: There is an imbalance, and nature will correct it.

Same thing happened in Lake Tahoe a couple years back, where similar conditions had been building for the past 40 or 50 years. Burned out lots of homes, several of my friends lost beautiful residences. But you could see where it was going to happen, huge swathes of dead and dying jack pines among the Ponderosa pines that should have been growing much father apart. [shrug] It's totally natural, just speeded up a bit, that's all.
 
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