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2013-06-11 11:40:40 PM
i70.photobucket.com
 
2013-06-11 11:58:38 PM
" People who worship the Second Amendment should recognize the "well-regulated" aspect of gun ownership that the forefathers intended. "

You mean well supplied and trained for accuracy?
 
2013-06-11 11:59:07 PM
Attention ignorant subby, automobiles killed more people this year than every terrorist attack in American history.
 
2013-06-12 12:00:15 AM
Oh this is gonna be a good thread.

/but but SECOND AMENDMENT/the usual statements/etc
 
2013-06-12 12:06:50 AM
I have two small dependents in the house, age 3 and 5. My wife and I also have several gun. I have never used trigger locks, and all of my guns are in easily accessible places in our bedroom, and kept loaded with a round chambered at all times because - let's face it - when you need your gun in an emergency you need it now and don't have time to fool with a trigger lock or other childproof measures.

Rather than rely on mechanical safety devices, we have always relied upon proper training. Whenever they are playing around the guns or otherwise look like they are going to mess with them, I just swat them with a paper and say 'bad dog' in a stern voice.
 
2013-06-12 12:10:18 AM

doglover: Attention ignorant subby, automobiles killed more people this year than every terrorist attack in American history.


This angle didn't take long to come up.  Now let's talk about how many people use a car every day?  And we can talk about the amount of money our government spends on keeping us safe from cars/terrorists/guns.  You buy a car, you regester a car.  Someone kills someone with your car, people ask you about it.  You buy a terrorist, your terrorist kills someone, people come asking you about it.  You buy a gun.  Maaaybe regester it.  Or throw a fit when someone suggests you do.

Oh... stolen guns.  We would discover pretty quickly that guns regestered to certian people are 'stolen' rather frequently when we looked up those guns in the regestry as we took them from crime scenes.

/also, babby regestry, so when your toddler kills someone, people come to ask you questions.
//and so people get them things YOU want
 
2013-06-12 12:12:01 AM

doglover: Attention ignorant subby, automobiles killed more people this year than every terrorist attack in American history.


Oh calm down.
 
2013-06-12 12:12:17 AM
Also, for good measure:

Guns don't kill people, toddlers kill people
and
The only thing that stops a bad toddler with a gun, is a good toddler with a gun
there was one more...
When we outlaw toddlers, only toddlers will have outlaws?
 
2013-06-12 12:20:27 AM
Well of course there are less deaths from terrorists.  They're too scared of us and our guns.  We are our farking kids for chrissakes. Stupid subby.
 
2013-06-12 12:22:24 AM

John Dewey: Well of course there are less deaths from terrorists.  They're too scared of us and our guns.  We are our farking kids for chrissakes. Stupid subby.


arm, not are.  Oy.  I can't even troll the trolls correctly today.
 
2013-06-12 12:22:51 AM
Wait, they're claiming there were only 4 deaths from terrorism this year? The media calls every act of violence terrorism nowadays. The people these toddlers killed should be added to the list of terror victims.
 
2013-06-12 12:40:16 AM

Elegy: I have two small dependents in the house, age 3 and 5. My wife and I also have several gun. I have never used trigger locks, and all of my guns are in easily accessible places in our bedroom, and kept loaded with a round chambered at all times because - let's face it - when you need your gun in an emergency you need it now and don't have time to fool with a trigger lock or other childproof measures.

Rather than rely on mechanical safety devices, we have always relied upon proper training. Whenever they are playing around the guns or otherwise look like they are going to mess with them, I just swat them with a paper and say 'bad dog' in a stern voice.


Ironing their hands works even better, and you save the cost of a newspaper.
 
2013-06-12 12:46:53 AM
The year's not over yet.

/$20 on the kids
 
2013-06-12 01:01:23 AM

Elegy: I have two small dependents in the house, age 3 and 5. My wife and I also have several gun. I have never used trigger locks, and all of my guns are in easily accessible places in our bedroom, and kept loaded with a round chambered at all times because - let's face it - when you need your gun in an emergency you need it now and don't have time to fool with a trigger lock or other childproof measures.

Rather than rely on mechanical safety devices, we have always relied upon proper training. Whenever they are playing around the guns or otherwise look like they are going to mess with them, I just swat them with a paper and say 'bad dog' in a stern voice.


Sounds like you're wasting valuable seconds.  You should try to sleep with the gun aimed at the door and your finger on the trigger.  You can never be too careful.
 
2013-06-12 01:07:37 AM
Of course there are fewer deaths from terrorists, because the NSA's widespread wiretapping and data monitoring has been keeping you safe, citizen. Perhaps if you'd stop panicking and just let them have total access and control, the could protect you from armed toddlers, as well.
 
2013-06-12 01:28:44 AM

mamoru: Of course there are fewer deaths from terrorists, because the NSA's widespread wiretapping and data monitoring has been keeping you safe, citizen. Perhaps if you'd stop panicking and just let them have total access and control, the could protect you from armed toddlers, as well.


More like the FBI and their sting/entrapment operations. The FBI has easily cooked up more terrorist plots than actual terrorists have.
 
2013-06-12 01:30:22 AM

Elegy: I have two small dependents in the house, age 3 and 5. My wife and I also have several gun. I have never used trigger locks, and all of my guns are in easily accessible places in our bedroom, and kept loaded with a round chambered at all times because - let's face it - when you need your gun in an emergency you need it now and don't have time to fool with a trigger lock or other childproof measures.

Rather than rely on mechanical safety devices, we have always relied upon proper training. Whenever they are playing around the guns or otherwise look like they are going to mess with them, I just swat them with a paper and say 'bad dog' in a stern voice.


Do you use positive reinforcement as well?  Rawhide bones or extended Frisbee time?
 
2013-06-12 01:45:49 AM
Deaths from gun-toting toddlers: 11
annual gun homicides: 11,000 and rapidly declining
annual deaths from medical errors: 200,000 and rising

It's the hospital that's gonna kill you.
 
2013-06-12 01:48:23 AM

Dave and the Mission: The only thing that stops a bad toddler with a gun, is a good toddler with a gun


I can see that I'm not needed here.
 
2013-06-12 01:48:36 AM
It's just the constitution, it's not like its anything important. Ban guns you pussies.
 
2013-06-12 01:55:06 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: It's just the constitution, it's not like its anything important. Ban guns you pussies.


LOL, who said anything about banning guns in this thread? I don't feel comfortable with you NRA types having guns if you're all so eager to pick a fight on a messageboard.
 
2013-06-12 01:58:21 AM
You know a thread is going code black when it has this many comments before even hitting the main page....
 
2013-06-12 02:11:03 AM
But those toddlers killed home-invading rapists, right?
 
2013-06-12 02:19:55 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: It's just the constitution, it's not like its anything important. Ban guns you pussies.


Age restrictions for guns is the worst kind of tyranny.
 
2013-06-12 02:20:56 AM
More comments than clicks infact. What does that say about us?
 
2013-06-12 02:26:31 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: It's just the constitution, it's not like its anything important. Ban guns you pussies.


Wow.  That was an excellent point, and well-made.  I shall be required to reconsider my opinions in light of these new and convincing arguments, and forthwith!
 
2013-06-12 03:16:56 AM
Time to get an NSA program for baby monitors.
 
2013-06-12 03:18:43 AM

doglover: Attention ignorant subby, automobiles killed more people this year than every terrorist attack in American history.


Alcohol killed even more than that.
 
2013-06-12 03:20:05 AM

Elegy: I have two small dependents in the house, age 3 and 5. My wife and I also have several gun. I have never used trigger locks, and all of my guns are in easily accessible places in our bedroom, and kept loaded with a round chambered at all times because - let's face it - when you need your gun in an emergency you need it now and don't have time to fool with a trigger lock or other childproof measures.

Rather than rely on mechanical safety devices, we have always relied upon proper training. Whenever they are playing around the guns or otherwise look like they are going to mess with them, I just swat them with a paper and say 'bad dog' in a stern voice.


+10,000
 
2013-06-12 03:22:40 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: doglover: Attention ignorant subby, automobiles killed more people this year than every terrorist attack in American history.

Alcohol killed even more than that.


But don't you understand that guns and terrorists are the real threats? Also shark bites and lightning strikes.
 
wee [TotalFark]
2013-06-12 03:24:15 AM
Is there even a point to greenlighting poorly-attempted trolling submissions like this one anymore?

What's that, pageviews?

Ah, carry on.
 
2013-06-12 03:26:30 AM

Elegy: I have two small dependents in the house, age 3 and 5. My wife and I also have several gun. I have never used trigger locks, and all of my guns are in easily accessible places in our bedroom, and kept loaded with a round chambered at all times because - let's face it - when you need your gun in an emergency you need it now and don't have time to fool with a trigger lock or other childproof measures.

Rather than rely on mechanical safety devices, we have always relied upon proper training. Whenever they are playing around the guns or otherwise look like they are going to mess with them, I just swat them with a paper and say 'bad dog' in a stern voice.


you wonderful bastard
 
2013-06-12 03:27:40 AM

fusillade762: mamoru: Of course there are fewer deaths from terrorists, because the NSA's widespread wiretapping and data monitoring has been keeping you safe, citizen. Perhaps if you'd stop panicking and just let them have total access and control, the could protect you from armed toddlers, as well.

More like the FBI and their sting/entrapment operations. The FBI has easily cooked up more terrorist plots than actual terrorists have.


dont get me started with their drug stings, where they set up a patsy to raid a drug house
 
2013-06-12 05:15:11 AM

Triumph: annual gun homicides: 11,000 and rapidly declining


So this:

cdn.theatlanticcities.com

is "rapidly declining", but this:

www.cejournal.net

is "unsettled science"?

This is what Republicans actually believe.
 
2013-06-12 05:28:51 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: doglover: Attention ignorant subby, automobiles killed more people this year than every terrorist attack in American history.

Alcohol killed even more than that.


Life killed the most.
 
2013-06-12 05:33:05 AM

doglover: But don't you understand that guns and terrorists are the real threats? Also shark bites and lightning strikes.


Cars are heavily regulated and registered, and stolen cars are easily detected by police by checking the appropriate databases.  If the car has fancy enough gps gear, you can even track remotely it in real time.

Drunk driving laws are enforced aggressively pretty much everywhere.

Exotic pets are heavily regulated in nearly every state.

Building codes often require lightning protection for public buildings/hospitals/etc.


Yet any random idiot who's managed to avoid being incarcerated or committed during his life is perfectly within his rights to buy a room full of untraceable, unregistered guns that individually have much more potential for causing death than a car or a shark, and indeed have no other reason for existing.
 
2013-06-12 05:34:18 AM
"Killed more Americans then terrorists did this year" subby. Pet peeve.
 
2013-06-12 05:34:34 AM

dookdookdook: Triumph: annual gun homicides: 11,000 and rapidly declining

So this:

[cdn.theatlanticcities.com image 417x395]

is "rapidly declining", but this:


Only slighter worse/higer rates than Palestine, Albania, Niger, Iran and Lybia :)
 
2013-06-12 05:36:51 AM

dookdookdook: Triumph: annual gun homicides: 11,000 and rapidly declining

So this:



is "rapidly declining", but this:



is "unsettled science"?

This is what Republicans actually believe.


Homicides prevent global warming? Who knew?
 
2013-06-12 05:44:29 AM
Isn't any gun owner a responsible gun owner until some gets shot unintentionally?
 
2013-06-12 05:47:11 AM

Dave and the Mission: Also, for good measure:

Guns don't kill people, toddlers kill people
and
The only thing that stops a bad toddler with a gun, is a good toddler with a gun
there was one more...
When we outlaw toddlers, only toddlers will have outlaws?


We need armed guards in every diaper.
 
2013-06-12 05:49:46 AM
I like how people see this as a problem with guns, rather than a problem with peoples faulty risk assesment associated with terrorism.

Terrorism:  Almost the least likely thing to kill you... ever.
 
2013-06-12 05:51:09 AM

dookdookdook: doglover: But don't you understand that guns and terrorists are the real threats? Also shark bites and lightning strikes.

Cars are heavily regulated and registered, and stolen cars are easily detected by police by checking the appropriate databases.  If the car has fancy enough gps gear, you can even track remotely it in real time.

Drunk driving laws are enforced aggressively pretty much everywhere.

Exotic pets are heavily regulated in nearly every state.

Building codes often require lightning protection for public buildings/hospitals/etc.


Yet any random idiot who's managed to avoid being incarcerated or committed during his life is perfectly within his rights to buy a room full of untraceable, unregistered guns that individually have much more potential for causing death than a car or a shark, and indeed have no other reason for existing.


The other reason is "defending freedom," which may involve  just scaring people. ;-)
 
2013-06-12 05:53:02 AM

Alonjar: I like how people see this as a problem with guns, rather than a problem with peoples faulty risk assesment associated with terrorism.

Terrorism:  Almost the least likely thing to kill you... ever.


When toddlers get hold of guns, there's been faulty risk assessment.
 
2013-06-12 05:53:36 AM
I heard this earlier.

Backing out of the thread now; some people get angry when I post in gun threads.
 
2013-06-12 05:58:15 AM
Since the 1960's when domestic gun death statistics started to be collected more people have been killed
by domestic gun violence than all US soldiers deaths in all the wars we have ever been in. That includes
the deaths on both sides in the civil war.
 
2013-06-12 05:59:03 AM

Elegy: I have two small dependents in the house, age 3 and 5. My wife and I also have several gun. I have never used trigger locks, and all of my guns are in easily accessible places in our bedroom

...

Only loaded guns in your bedroom? You are woefully unprepared, basically asking to be attacked. You need at least one loaded gun in every room of the house and one on your person at all times. If you have a dog, they need to be packing as well.
 
2013-06-12 06:02:40 AM

sparkeyjames: Since the 1960's when domestic gun death statistics started to be collected more people have been killed
by domestic gun violence than all US soldiers deaths in all the wars we have ever been in. That includes
the deaths on both sides in the civil war.


Maybe we should stop collecting gun death statistics.
 
2013-06-12 06:02:50 AM
www.theblindcard.com

I saw Dad with Mom last night. I think he was stealing my milk ...
 
2013-06-12 06:03:23 AM
a 'tongue in cheek' article about toddlers and gun death.  Well, that's a new low.
 
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