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2013-06-11 05:49:49 PM
So, Brooks mentions that Snowden is pretty much your typical Paultard, borderline Asperger's IT Guy, with no real social bonds and little regard for institutions.
Stalin threatened peoples' families to get their cooperation.
...
Self-site a few of my own works
...
Brooks is Stalin.
 
2013-06-11 06:29:38 PM
well, that was about half past asstarded.
 
2013-06-11 06:29:38 PM

tallguywithglasseson: So, Brooks mentions that Snowden is pretty much your typical Paultard, borderline Asperger's IT Guy, with no real social bonds and little regard for institutions.


Isn't this obvious to anyone who saw the video clip talking about why he did what he did?
 
2013-06-11 06:36:43 PM
Brooks is what we call moderate these days?

Does moderate mean "not incessantly parroting every Republican talking point verbatim" now?
 
2013-06-11 06:38:25 PM

tallguywithglasseson: Self-site a few of my own works


yeah, wth was up with that?  Jesus, I hate Slate more every damn day.
 
2013-06-11 06:39:53 PM
Speaking of Stalin.

http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/22/zakaria-incarcera ti on-nation/

"Mass incarceration on a scale almost unexampled in human history is a fundamental fact of our country today," writes the  New Yorker'sAdam Gopnik. "Over all, there are now more people under 'correctional supervision' in America - more than 6 million - than were in the Gulag Archipelago under Stalin at its height."
 
2013-06-11 06:40:23 PM

Mrtraveler01: Isn't this obvious to anyone who saw the video clip talking about why he did what he did?


Sure it was obvious... to Stalinists.
 
2013-06-11 06:41:52 PM

mediaho: Brooks is what we call moderate these days?


Actually, he's more used to being called a RINO or a liberal...by Real Murkans
 
2013-06-11 06:47:19 PM

jigger: Speaking of Stalin.

http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/22/zakaria-incarcera ti on-nation/

"Mass incarceration on a scale almost unexampled in human history is a fundamental fact of our country today," writes the  New Yorker'sAdam Gopnik. "Over all, there are now more people under 'correctional supervision' in America - more than 6 million - than were in the Gulag Archipelago under Stalin at its height."


Plus Stalin was loved by children, unlike  bama
www.cwporter.com
 
2013-06-11 06:47:52 PM
the apparently growing share of young men in their 20s who are living technological existences in the fuzzy land between their childhood institutions and adult family commitments.

*welcometofark.jpg*
 
2013-06-11 06:53:59 PM

mediaho: Brooks is what we call moderate these days?

Does moderate mean "not incessantly parroting every Republican talking point verbatim" now?


Yes.

Where have you been?
 
2013-06-11 06:54:56 PM

mediaho: Brooks is what we call moderate these days?

Does moderate mean "not incessantly parroting every Republican talking point verbatim" now?


I like him, he's good for basically saying "this is the general view of the GOP" without actually necessarily supporting it. He also refuses to spout derp about socialisms and death panels. What i'm saying is that he's a good way to get the sanitized version of the GOP position- the one i believe the people above the derp on the GOP believe. It's good to know, whether i or not i agree with it.
 
2013-06-11 07:21:02 PM

mediaho: Brooks is what we call moderate these days?

Does moderate mean "not incessantly parroting every Republican talking point verbatim" now?


No, "moderate" now means "nobody who considers himself a 'conservative' listens to (or wants to be associated with) him anymore".  The instant the media starts calling a Republican a "moderate" you can be fairly certain the conservative-base has already denounced him.
 
2013-06-11 07:21:49 PM
Brooks is a Villager. Administrations come and go but the Villagers will be there making sure they stay very comfortable thank you very much.
 
2013-06-11 07:23:18 PM
Whistle Blo-Blos in Paradise?

/sorry
 
2013-06-11 07:52:26 PM

jigger: Speaking of Stalin.

http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/22/zakaria-incarcera ti on-nation/

"Mass incarceration on a scale almost unexampled in human history is a fundamental fact of our country today," writes the  New Yorker'sAdam Gopnik. "Over all, there are now more people under 'correctional supervision' in America - more than 6 million - than were in the Gulag Archipelago under Stalin at its height."


Because the greatest political threat to an African-American President are... the low-income African Americans that make up a disproportionate amount of the prison populace.
 
2013-06-11 07:57:29 PM

SunsetLament: mediaho: Brooks is what we call moderate these days?

Does moderate mean "not incessantly parroting every Republican talking point verbatim" now?

No, "moderate" now means "nobody who considers himself a 'conservative' listens to (or wants to be associated with) him anymore".  The instant the media starts calling a Republican a "moderate" you can be fairly certain the conservative-base has already denounced him.


So, yes, mediaho was entirely accurate.
 
2013-06-11 08:04:51 PM

tallguywithglasseson: So, Brooks mentions that Snowden is pretty much your typical Paultard, borderline Asperger's IT Guy, with no real social bonds and little regard for institutions.
Stalin threatened peoples' families to get their cooperation.
...
Self-site a few of my own works
...
Brooks is Stalin.


THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^

What happened to you Salon, you used to be cool?
 
2013-06-11 08:06:07 PM
 tallguywithglasseson: So, Brooks mentions that Snowden is pretty much your typical Paultard, borderline Asperger's IT Guy, with no real social bonds and little regard for institutions.
Stalin threatened peoples' families to get their cooperation.
...
Self-site a few of my own works
...
Brooks is Stalin.

THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^

What happened to you Salon, you used to be cool?


What happened to you Salon? You used to be cool.

FTFM
 
2013-06-11 08:07:02 PM
Every time I read a David Brooks editorial I always see lots of words that aren't really saying anything. It's substance-free wishy-washy crap.
 
2013-06-11 08:16:01 PM
That made no sense. I guess flipping through a copy of "The Gulag" and looking at a picture of Stalin when you type qualifies as research.
 
2013-06-11 08:21:26 PM
in the 60's Brooks' kin was working to bring about "revolution".  Now that they are in charge, they want to maintain the status quo.

Interview with Snowden

Brooks is against him, Richard Cohen wrote a negative piece in NYT. So did Adam Cohen for Time. Do all the Jews except Glenn Greenwald have it in for him?
 
2013-06-11 09:25:09 PM
Clearly Brooks is writing satire.  Go on, read his article again now that I've said it.
 
2013-06-11 09:26:39 PM

Vectron: in the 60's Brooks' kin was working to bring about "revolution".  Now that they are in charge, they want to maintain the status quo.

Interview with Snowden

Brooks is against him, Richard Cohen wrote a negative piece in NYT. So did Adam Cohen for Time. Do all the Jews except Glenn Greenwald have it in for him?


www.austinchronicle.com

Splitter!
 
2013-06-11 09:29:35 PM
The unholy alliance of politics-as-a-sport apologist and outright totalitarians is beautiful.
 
2013-06-11 09:38:29 PM
Wait, is he actually a former Stalinist? According to his Wikipedia page he's a former liberal but it doesn't go into much detail. There are plenty of actual former Stalinists turned moderate-authoritarian-without-label.
 
2013-06-11 09:45:11 PM
2wolves: Brooks is a Villager. Administrations come and go but the Villagers will be there making sure they stay very comfortable thank you very much.

So much this, and all in his "vast spaces for entertaining":
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/reliable-source/post/surreal-esta t e-david-brooks-moves-from-bethesda-to-cleveland-park/2012/05/06/gIQAs2 7Q6T_blog.html

/I'm not quite convinced of Snowden's motives for doing what he did, but Brook's motives have been made quite crystal clear over the years. And the courtier press once again circles the wagons for the status quo.
 
2013-06-11 09:49:29 PM

mediaho: Does moderate mean "not incessantly parroting every Republican talking point verbatim" now?


Yes.  And another word for "moderate" is "Screaming, Prancing Lib-U-Lardo".
 
2013-06-11 09:50:48 PM
 
xcv
2013-06-11 09:58:23 PM

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: jigger: Speaking of Stalin.

http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/22/zakaria-incarcera ti on-nation/

"Mass incarceration on a scale almost unexampled in human history is a fundamental fact of our country today," writes the  New Yorker'sAdam Gopnik. "Over all, there are now more people under 'correctional supervision' in America - more than 6 million - than were in the Gulag Archipelago under Stalin at its height."

Because the greatest political threat to an African-American President are... the low-income African Americans that make up a disproportionate amount of the prison populace.


And spending the night in a drunk tank is equivalent to a life sentence in the gulag, by the way America tracks incarceration stats.
 
2013-06-11 11:05:45 PM
"Stalinist" seems a bit harsh. "Idiot" would be more accurate.
 
2013-06-11 11:15:48 PM
He's such a moron. We need a David Brooks op-ed generator like Tom Friedman: Link
 
2013-06-12 12:11:39 AM

coco ebert: He's such a moron. We need a David Brooks op-ed generator like Tom Friedman: Link


Wait - are you trying to tell me that Brooks and Friedman are actually different guys?
 
2013-06-12 12:23:27 AM
He's the original fark independent.  He'll criticize the GOP on obvious, obvious flaws and shortcomings but only if he can then proceed to paint Democrats with much of the same brush.  His job is to appear to occupy the middle without undercutting any plank of the GOP platform in a substantial way.

So he swings at the slowballs; the lowest hanging fruit.  The Todd Akins, the 'Im not a witch' lady, the 47% comments while giving a pass to trickle down economics and Iraq and this NSA boondoggle.

He's not a moderate; he's what the GOP thinks a moderate looks like.
 
2013-06-12 12:26:46 AM

BMulligan: coco ebert: He's such a moron. We need a David Brooks op-ed generator like Tom Friedman: Link

Wait - are you trying to tell me that Brooks and Friedman are actually different guys?


I know it's tough to differentiate, but remember- Friedman spins tall tales about globalization whereas Brooks spins tall tales about contemporary culture/society in America.
 
2013-06-12 01:14:40 AM

coco ebert: BMulligan: coco ebert: He's such a moron. We need a David Brooks op-ed generator like Tom Friedman: Link

Wait - are you trying to tell me that Brooks and Friedman are actually different guys?

I know it's tough to differentiate, but remember- Friedman spins tall tales about globalization whereas Brooks spins tall tales about contemporary culture/society in America.


Brooks has the uncanny ability to spot new trends in our modern society.  Unfortunately no one else is ever able to confirm these observations.
 
2013-06-12 02:11:20 AM
This article is pretty stupid, but let's not forget that David Brooks gets paid to write columns that are essentially your not very bright uncle regaling the dinner table with counterintuitive political insights that make no goddamn sense if you think about them for more than 5 seconds. Or else he's summarizing someone else's years of social science research and applying it badly to today's top story. Every time I read his columns I lose a little more respect for the New York Times. And myself.
 
2013-06-12 05:31:49 AM
So are Stalin and McCarthy the latest fashions in cheap attempts to bypass Godwin's Law?

The fact is, the concept of the commitment is what makes civilization possible. Even social-contract theory crumbles if you cannot trust people to honor the contract. This means that oaths are not something to break lightly: it can be justified, but the justifications are few and narrow enough that the fact of a broken oath inherently demands further investivation into the matter.

As it happens, this case comes out clean. The agency to which this guy swore was engaged in some serious wrongdoing, and that fact needed to be exposed. But it is reasonable to look further, and to acknowledge that while he acted in the service of a greater good, he did do something wrong in the process. That misdeed is certainly understandable, and should probably be forgiven, but it should not be forgotten or ignored: there is a thing to be forgiven for here.
 
2013-06-12 06:39:45 AM
It didn't say Brooks was Stalin, just a  Stalinist, that is, a supporter of the methods of Stalin. I would say that's a bit off, as Stalin never had anything anywhere near as thorough as Prism at his disposal. And Brook's article, which is essentially a giant ad hominem, is only Stalinist if you consider every piece of ad hominem propoganda writing that defends illegal government activity while condemning those that expose it as Stalinist. But Stalinist or not, Brook's article was a stain on his profession, a stinking turd of a hit piece, and a high point of knee-jerk authoritarianism.

Even worse crap came out of Bush II, with a rather large group of "mainstream" columnists even banding together to form a pro-torture league. I stopped bothering with the WaPo partly because of that. That said, 2 major columnists lining up to defend deeply unconstitutional government action (Friedman has put out his own cock-sucking article supporting this activity) is pretty sad. I may stop bothering with the NYT now too.

I will say what I said elsewhere - people in the military and government are supposed to defend the constitution. This activity was clearly unconstitutional. Exposing it was the duty of those involved.  It was their duty.
 
2013-06-12 07:25:04 AM

adamatari: It didn't say Brooks was Stalin, just a  Stalinist, that is, a supporter of the methods of Stalin.

Well, yes, but that's like claiming that you didn't say someone was Hitler, just a Nazi, that is, a supporter of the methods of Hitler. It's still a cheap attempt to end-run Godwin's Law.

adamatari: I would say that's a bit off, as Stalin never had anything anywhere near as thorough as Prism at his disposal.


The scary thing is, not only did he, but he did it without the aid of the Internet.
 
2013-06-12 07:48:29 AM
David Brooks, moderate conservative, columnist, Stalinist, idiot
 
2013-06-12 09:10:46 AM

Thats No Moose: David Brooks, moderate conservative, columnist, Stalinist, idiot


You forgot 'moran.'
 
2013-06-12 09:45:30 AM

mediaho: Brooks is what we call moderate these days?

Does moderate mean "not incessantly parroting every Republican talking point verbatim" now?


He's a moderate republican, not a moderate overall.  Basically it means that he is pragmatic and if there were more Repulicans like him, we actually might have a functioning government.  Heres the deal: moderates of both parties are actually who can get things done.  The moderate Democrats (i.e. blue-dog or conservative democrats) and the moderate Republicans (i.e. RINO, Rockefeller republicans, George Bush Sr. before 1980) are closer to the center.  The center is by definiton where the people are.  More in both parties like this would actually mean Washington might function.

I will always vote for the moderate over the partisan.  The problem is nowadays that seems to almost always be Democrats.  Living in Texas, the Democratic party is mostly toothless (except in urban centers like Dallas, Austin, San Antonio), but I vote for them anyway because the are in the center.
 
2013-06-12 04:12:26 PM
So Snowden is John Galt?
 
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