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(AL.com)   Apparently, two Alabama counties decided to take the NSA's domestic spy programs a couple of steps further toward their logical conclusion   (blog.al.com) divider line 76
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2013-06-11 04:40:48 PM  
So, the NSA is going to ask me nicely and send me a check for boring them to death?
 
2013-06-11 04:42:47 PM  
Right. Because there's no way you can get DNA from saliva.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/16620753/
 
2013-06-11 04:51:22 PM  

cmunic8r99: Right. Because there's no way you can get DNA from saliva.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/16620753/


Was going to say that official is either not too bright, or he's hoping everyone giving samples is not too bright.

/of course, it IS Alabama... all of the above is not off the table.
 
2013-06-11 04:57:18 PM  
Uh on.  Sounds like some folks are looking at a massive biological experiment in the near future.
 
2013-06-11 05:20:25 PM  
i42.tinypic.com
 
2013-06-11 05:26:45 PM  
So, what was the "survey" studying?
 
2013-06-11 05:27:43 PM  

basemetal: So, what was the "survey" studying?


the DNA of easily lied to people?
 
2013-06-11 05:28:38 PM  
FTFA: "They want to find out of all the people surveyed, how many people were driving with alcohol in their system, or prescription drugs, things like that."

So, if you drove away, that counts as a "yes." If you agreed, that counts as a "no." No DNA testing -- or any other kind of testing -- required.
 
2013-06-11 05:29:02 PM  
The samples, Ucles said, were used to measure whether drivers had the presence of over-the-counter, prescription and illegal drugs in their systems, or alcohol and the driver's individual blood alcohol concentration.

/oh boy, see if we can tap that for more revenue.
 
2013-06-11 06:11:54 PM  

basemetal: So, what was the "survey" studying?


The number of dumbasses who said, "Sure, go ahead."

/Without getting the money first!
 
2013-06-11 06:30:43 PM  
the Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation


ahhhhh ha ha ha

aaaaahahahaha ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

shhhyyyyyeahhhhhhh, sure, let me spit in this cup for 10 bucks. On the side of the road.  With your cruiser lights in my face.  For science!
 
2013-06-11 06:31:53 PM  
So basically, a research org is paying random people on the road to measure various levels of things in their blood to compile statistics and do research. Cue outrage.
 
2013-06-11 06:32:47 PM  
What a great way to get yourself on the Main Core list.

/Damned if you do, damned if you don't?
 
2013-06-11 06:33:45 PM  
I like how they used police for this completely voluntary study, what a joke.  I've said it a million times:  police should not ever be able to moonlight  as a police officer.  It's a serious conflict of interest.

basemetal: So, what was the "survey" studying?


My guess would be how much alcohol and drugs people have in their system so they can lobby for some new super expensive device.
 
2013-06-11 06:34:36 PM  
CSB:

About 10 years ago, I was on a treatment for Hep C (Interferon injections combined with Ribavirin pills) that made me anemic to the point that I fainted while driving one night and veered off the road and flipped my car.  When the police showed up, they made me do the FST, after which the cop said, "Now, I'm not going to arrest you for driving while intoxicated, but I'd like you to blow in this thing here".  I laughed, looked at my mom and friend who showed up to make sure I was OK and said, "HA! You hear this guy?!" and he turned to them and said, "I'm not going to arrest her for driving while intoxicated".

I still didn't blow in his thingy.

/CSB

This whole story reeks of something foul.  Or maybe I've just been watching "Fringe" on repeat too much lately.
 
2013-06-11 06:35:05 PM  
So basically it was voluntary and nothing at all like what the NSA is doing.

Nice job dumbmitter.
 
2013-06-11 06:35:05 PM  

Pichu0102: So basically, a research org is paying random people on the road to measure various levels of things in their blood to compile statistics and do research. Cue outrage.


Yeah, by BLOCKING the road so you can't opt out of being involved in a checkpoint, for SCIENCE.
 
2013-06-11 06:35:57 PM  

lesliessexxy: CSB:

About 10 years ago, I was on a treatment for Hep C (Interferon injections combined with Ribavirin pills) that made me anemic to the point that I fainted while driving one night and veered off the road and flipped my car.  When the police showed up, they made me do the FST, after which the cop said, "Now, I'm not going to arrest you for driving while intoxicated, but I'd like you to blow in this thing here".  I laughed, looked at my mom and friend who showed up to make sure I was OK and said, "HA! You hear this guy?!" and he turned to them and said, "I'm not going to arrest her for driving while intoxicated".

I still didn't blow in his thingy.

/CSB

This whole story reeks of something foul.  Or maybe I've just been watching "Fringe" on repeat too much lately.


My math is fail.  This was 2001, so 12 years ago.

/already?!
 
2013-06-11 06:37:07 PM  

my alt's alt's alt: Pichu0102: So basically, a research org is paying random people on the road to measure various levels of things in their blood to compile statistics and do research. Cue outrage.

Yeah, by BLOCKING the road so you can't opt out of being involved in a checkpoint, for SCIENCE.


Well, you obviously just don't understand the scienceyness of scienceness or the unimpeachable motives of the sciencey!
 
2013-06-11 06:40:58 PM  
You can use cops and roadblocks for voluntary studies now?
 
2013-06-11 06:41:49 PM  

bunner: Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation


From one of their senior researchers:  "Sobriety checkpoints have been used by police in the United States for at least the past two decades to enforce impaired driving laws. Research has indicated that sobriety checkpoints are effective in reducing drinking and driving and alcohol-related fatal crashes. "

Hmm, I'd LOVE to see the research behind that.  Did they count the number of people who were drunk and wrecked after a checkpoint.
 
2013-06-11 06:42:36 PM  
images.sodahead.com

Oh,  hell no
 
2013-06-11 06:43:09 PM  

IRQ12: I like how they used police for this completely voluntary study, what a joke.  I've said it a million times:  police should not ever be able to moonlight  as a police officer.  It's a serious conflict of interest.


An officer wearing his uniform while off duty and under pay by another entity is called "impersonating a police officer".

/Or abuse of power.
//He may be a police officer at his day job, but using the uniform off-duty in a security guard type position to intimidate people is a crime.
 
2013-06-11 06:48:10 PM  

IRQ12: bunner: Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation

From one of their senior researchers:  "Sobriety checkpoints have been used by police in the United States for at least the past two decades to enforce impaired driving laws. Research has indicated that sobriety checkpoints are effective in reducing drinking and driving and alcohol-related fatal crashes. "

Hmm, I'd LOVE to see the research behind that.  Did they count the number of people who were drunk and wrecked after a checkpoint.


Ohh man, this is great.  When I went to try to get some results of an actual study that supports the above I saw the quote "The deterrenteffect of DUI checkpointsis a proven resource in reducing the number of persons killed and injured in alcohol or drug involved "  like a dozen times just in the results.  Go to google and search that quote.  I haven't found 1 who uses that exact same quote who cites it, there's 13,000 results for the quote.
 
2013-06-11 06:49:57 PM  

IRQ12: Research has indicated that sobriety checkpoints are effective in reducing drinking and driving and alcohol-related fatal crashes. "


And keeps a lot of people with pretendy assed, LEO sponsored research jobs living in 4 B/R split levels with granite counter tops.
 
2013-06-11 06:50:10 PM  

basemetal: So, what was the "survey" studying?


The article said to randomly see who was driving loaded, doc
 
2013-06-11 06:50:29 PM  
Vere are your papers?
 
2013-06-11 06:53:59 PM  
The alleged story is fishy. If it was as stated, it would be easier and cheaper (the deputy had to be paid) to set up in a rest stop and erect a sign or two down the road a way soliciting volunteers.

Once you involve a cop, nothing is truly voluntary.
 
2013-06-11 06:56:18 PM  

Pichu0102: So basically, a research org is paying random people on the road to measure various levels of things in their blood to compile statistics and do research. Cue outrage.


The outrage is at the involvement of law enforcement with the inherent coercive effect.
 
2013-06-11 06:59:18 PM  
Wow, can you imagine the increase in "research check points" if being gay was illegal?
 
2013-06-11 07:06:04 PM  
AndreMA: Once you involve a cop, nothing is truly voluntary.

assets.sbnation.com
 
2013-06-11 07:11:42 PM  

special20: Wow, can you imagine the increase in "research check points" if being gay was illegal?


Throw greed, stupidity and arrogance into the code and nobody would be allowed to leave the house.  Especially the cops.
 
2013-06-11 07:19:04 PM  
And thanks to SCOTUS, this will probably soon become de rigueuracross the land, without the "voluntary" bits.
 
2013-06-11 07:21:25 PM  

feanorn: And thanks to SCOTUS, this will probably soon become de rigueuracross the land, without the "voluntary" bits.


The electoral process is the answer to everything except the supreme court who are appointed and have the last say on everything.  Convenient
 
2013-06-11 07:39:04 PM  
It would be quicker to just get the DNA from Ancestry.com and other DNA ancestry sites.

/if they haven't done that already
 
2013-06-11 07:45:20 PM  
What's scarier: that the cop did this in conjunction with a governmental agency...or that people went along with it completely voluntarily?

It's nothing to do with fear of cops, or desire for a measly amount of money; this is just a retread of Milgrams experiment. Someone in authority asks people to do something fairly obnoxious that they don't have to do, get no benefit from, and could refuse (because this wasn't a regular DUI checkpoint), and people STILL said "Sure!"

Because someone said they needed to.
 
2013-06-11 07:47:06 PM  
I remember when Alabama used to give away free Syphilis -- but you had to be black, living in Tuskegee and working in the agricultural trades. They were very good about keeping it a secret, so you can rest assured this research will be handled with the same professionalism.

Could be a retest -- depending on what's on the needles.
 
2013-06-11 07:47:37 PM  

AndreMA: The alleged story is fishy. If it was as stated, it would be easier and cheaper (the deputy had to be paid) to set up in a rest stop and erect a sign or two down the road a way soliciting volunteers.


That only works if the people stopping in that specific rest stop are your target study group.  Regardless of whether this is right or not, that would be a terrible alternative.
 
2013-06-11 07:48:23 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Someone in authority


The last battle of the war to overthrow the American revolution will be to establish the most widely accepted authority posture, because if I print your money and I can make you do whatever I want, I own your ass
 
2013-06-11 07:53:26 PM  
This is the result of three generations of fatherless children, IMHO.  It's not "who's smart" or "who's good at something."  It's "Who's the man?", "who's in charge?", "who's the one rolling like a BOSS?"  "Who's the baddest badass?"  "WHO GETS TO SAY?"  Any more bright ideas, oh brave new world?  I mean, that wont piss off mom or, you know, "the people in charge"?
 
2013-06-11 07:55:20 PM  
"Sure, you can drive away, have a nice evening."
"Hey Lou, get that license plate. We'll get the DNA later."
 
2013-06-11 07:57:06 PM  

AndreMA: Pichu0102: So basically, a research org is paying random people on the road to measure various levels of things in their blood to compile statistics and do research. Cue outrage.

The outrage is at the involvement of law enforcement with the inherent coercive effect.


Bingo.  "Traffic safety" doesn't need uniformed deputies and cop cars.  Hell, road work crews in orange vests and hardhats know how to stop traffic safely.
 
2013-06-11 07:58:58 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Bingo.  "Traffic safety" doesn't need uniformed deputies and cop cars.  Hell, road work crews in orange vests and hardhats know how to stop traffic safely.


But not wif de reqwizit authoriteh!!1!!!1  I hope everybody likes the taste of shoe polish.
 
2013-06-11 08:14:13 PM  
Huh, I saw an episode of Dexter from a few years ago where they did this roadside DNA sampling thing, and thought it was too outlandish to ever happen in reality. Maybe the writers were inspired by the 2007 incidents mentioned in TFA. I keep having to remind myself that reality is crazier than fiction.
 
2013-06-11 08:16:47 PM  

jmr61: So basically it was voluntary and nothing at all like what the NSA is doing.

Nice job dumbmitter.


Only a matter of time.

Only. A. Matter. Of. Time.

Obama: "Nobody is listening to your phone calls!"... "but we are reading your emails."

Riiiiiiight.

So, here we are, trading our privacy and autonomy for the illusion of security. Not on a temporary basis. Nor even limited to a wholesale basis. Watch carefully folks. You are seeing the setting of precedent for violations of the Fourth Amendment on an unprecedented scale. "We can catch more terrorists by  having access to your every communication," is merely the beginning. Next stop: breathalyzing every driver, for every trip. No problem? Wait until the damn thing malfunctions and something crucial hangs in the balance.

But wait!!! There's more!

Since you so willingly allowed us to intrude in your communications (and thereby set precedent for governmental intrusion in places where you have a "reasonable expectation of privacy,") as a bonus gift, you get this handy set of cameras for every room in your home! If we can catch more terrorists by monitoring all communications, just think of all the other criminals we can catch by examining all the other areas where people used to feel secure!

Hyperbole?
 
2013-06-11 08:17:10 PM  

Gyrfalcon: What's scarier: that the cop did this in conjunction with a governmental agency...or that people went along with it completely voluntarily?

It's nothing to do with fear of cops, or desire for a measly amount of money; this is just a retread of Milgrams experiment. Someone in authority asks people to do something fairly obnoxious that they don't have to do, get no benefit from, and could refuse (because this wasn't a regular DUI checkpoint), and people STILL said "Sure!"

Because someone said they needed to.


I am certain the researchers had Milgram's experiment in mind when they set this one up.  It's something covered in Psych 101, after all.  Like BarkingUnicorn said, there are other efficient ways to stop traffic; they just don't carry the same level of implied authority over the general public's actions.

/I know, you know this.
//Just preaching to the choir.
 
2013-06-11 08:26:28 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Hyperbole?


I think we have, in the last 12 years, moved from comic books to science fiction to hyperbole to "the way sh*t is now".  That is the standard formula for installing a fascist state, isn't  it?  Crete causal event, react swiftly for "security", eradicate autonomy for the populace?  I mean, this is reviewed as being pat formula in PoliSci 202, non?
 
2013-06-11 08:34:40 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
HA HA!  TOL'JA SO!
 
2013-06-11 08:36:50 PM  
Hmm another excuse for pulling people over random. And asking for DNA. Yeah I know exactly what the study is. Its a study to see how much BS the people will let the government get away with. People have the right to travel freely without getting hassled by the police for no good reason. Breaking the law or suspect of crime is one thing, but if not, leave me the fark alone!!
 
2013-06-11 08:39:07 PM  

Rumplebluntskin: Its a study to see how much BS the people will let the government get away with.


So was this.

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-06-11 08:39:37 PM  
Just what you'd expect from a small government red state.
 
2013-06-11 08:41:05 PM  

dennysgod: Just what you'd expect from a small government red state.


Yeah, that must be it.  Shenanigans never occur in civilized areas with Red Box DVD rentals and Starbucks with wi fi.
 
2013-06-11 09:05:32 PM  
You want my DNA? Fine.
Find a cute cop chick and I'll leave DNA all over her face. If ya know what I mean.
 
2013-06-11 09:14:21 PM  

Pichu0102: So basically, a research org is paying random people on the road to measure various levels of things in their blood to compile statistics and do research. Cue outrage.


Who do I talk to to get men with guns, badges and the ability to ruin lives with a simple lie to block off a road and "request" the cooperation of people they stop with a study I just came up with?
 
2013-06-11 09:17:00 PM  
I'll give 'em a stool sample.
 
2013-06-11 09:32:48 PM  

generallyso: Who do I talk to to get men with guns, badges and the ability to ruin lives with a simple lie to block off a road and "request" the cooperation of people they stop with a study I just came up with?


raisingahitter.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-06-11 09:48:26 PM  
Today some of my paranoid fantasies came true.
 
2013-06-11 10:02:15 PM  
Scary tag? Really? Some of the headlines and tags on this site are moronic.
 
2013-06-11 10:07:25 PM  
You shouldn't be able to force people to stop driving & then ask them if they want to participate in this sort of thing - maybe just have a sign inviting people to 'pull over and get paid for participating in our study' but stopping people by using roadblocks are excessive.

I object to the roadblock - there is nothing voluntary about being stopped while you're going about your lawful business - I mean can Girl Guides make a roadblock and ask the motorists if they want to buy their cookies? - I dare say if they paid the same officials then they could.

And what's the go with the off-duty police doing this ... the article says "Deputies would stop drivers" (not "off-duty deputies would stop drivers" - were they dressed as cops or in non-cop uniforms that would be easily  mistaken for police uniforms?
 
2013-06-11 10:23:12 PM  
FTA:  "They were here in 2007," said Turrentine, the supervisor in charge of the roadblocks, which took place in several locations in St. Clair County Friday night, early Saturday morning and Saturday night and early Sunday morning. "It's just with social media and Facebook now, word of it has just exploded."

Translation: "Thanks to that gol durn social media, we couldn't get away with hiding it this time..."
 
2013-06-11 10:30:53 PM  
"Sheriff's office".

"Yeah, I'm doing sciencey stuff and I need you to lend me some off duty cops in full combat mode and flashy lights on cop cars to set up a Checkpoint Charlie clusterf*ck to ask people nice if they want their DNA profiled for 10.00."

"..."

"Hey, this if for science."

That must have been it.

I mean, it wasn't like you'd need some sort of federal nudge and wink to even think about authorizing OT for this sh*t.

Nah.

They was just trying to further dat scienceing.
 
2013-06-11 10:44:18 PM  

Pichu0102: So basically, a research org is paying random people on the road to measure various levels of things in their blood to compile statistics and do research. Cue outrage.


Are you being intentionally obtuse or do you really not see a problem with what they did?

Police officers, who by their very position many people are inclined to obey without question, were
stopping drivers to ask them if they would volunteer their DNA for this study.

The DNA gathered was anonymous...taken from drivers. In cars. With license plates. Around cops.
Who have the ability to look up license plates to see who owns the car.

The purpose behind the study may well have been innocuous, but it doesn't excuse the fact that
they deliberately enlisted police officers - no doubt because they knew people would be more apt
to go along with a request from an officer than some egghead in a lab coat.

/ No offense to eggheads or lab coats
 
2013-06-11 10:46:44 PM  

digitalrain: No offense to eggheads or lab coats


The eggheads who signed off on this dime store Gestapo softball match can suck a wet  fart out of my ass.
 
2013-06-11 11:14:28 PM  
BREAKING NEWS: Stupid people will do stupid things for money.

/ Nothing new under the Sun.
 
2013-06-11 11:29:09 PM  

sheep snorter: An officer wearing his uniform while off duty and under pay by another entity is called "impersonating a police officer".

/Or abuse of power.
//He may be a police officer at his day job, but using the uniform off-duty in a security guard type position to intimidate people is a crime.


Try living where I do.

Cops work traffic control for churches (they set up cones and everything, then block the road while the church folks all drive out, so they don't have to wait for gaps in traffic to leave).

They also basically run security for private businesses. There's a supermarket near me where *every* time I go there, there's a cop either inside the supermarket near the doors, or standing directly outside the doors chastizing anybody who stops for 20 seconds to let somebody out by the door. Nearby is a gas station that also always has a cop car outside it; the cop hangs out there all day, and parks his car there overnight as well.

Hell, there are even a couple of local movie theaters where a cop is always inside the movie theater lobby, and I've actually had a cop tear my ticket stub for me because they're subbing for the theater employee who's gone on break.

Yes, really.

Your tax dollars, hard at work performing minimum-wage jobs at a movie theater.

Got to love it.
 
2013-06-11 11:36:26 PM  
I used to live near this town. Had to pass through it to get home every night, working in Birmingham. Thank all things holy I never have to go near that area again.

PS The correct answer is, "I'd like to see my lawyer first please."
 
2013-06-11 11:46:39 PM  

PainfulItching: I used to live near this town. Had to pass through it to get home every night, working in Birmingham. Thank all things holy I never have to go near that area again.

PS The correct answer is, "I'd like to see my lawyer first please."


No, the correct answer is: No.

Like I said above, this has nothing to do with fear of cops (because it wasn't even a regular DUI checkpoint) and it was not an overt exercise of government power (because all they did was have a barrier in the road and people saying "Hi, we're doing a study and want to take your DNA; you get $50 if you agree and you can leave if you want.")

It was the mindset. People will agree to practically anything because THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE DO. It doesn't take much. A couple cops, a few guys with an aura of professorial authority, a little monetary lube for the reluctant--and tra-la! people will fall all over themselves to obey. Now in re people saying "Oh, but they had cops!" (like digitalrain, no offense) well, duh. You need police permission to stop cars on the road. But they would have gotten almost the same cooperation if they'd done the same thing at a similar semi-official location, like a hospital or a school. "Hi, we're with the CDC, and we're tracking vaccines..."

People follow authority. THAT should be the scary takeaway here, not that the cops were involved or the government was sampling DNA or that they had some bogus DUI rationale. It was that so many people put aside their unease and opened their mouths. Because a guy with a badge and another guy in a lab coat said "We need you to do this."
 
2013-06-12 12:02:02 AM  

Gyrfalcon: PainfulItching: I used to live near this town. Had to pass through it to get home every night, working in Birmingham. Thank all things holy I never have to go near that area again.

PS The correct answer is, "I'd like to see my lawyer first please."

No, the correct answer is: No.

Like I said above, this has nothing to do with fear of cops (because it wasn't even a regular DUI checkpoint) and it was not an overt exercise of government power (because all they did was have a barrier in the road and people saying "Hi, we're doing a study and want to take your DNA; you get $50 if you agree and you can leave if you want.")

It was the mindset. People will agree to practically anything because THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE DO. It doesn't take much. A couple cops, a few guys with an aura of professorial authority, a little monetary lube for the reluctant--and tra-la! people will fall all over themselves to obey. Now in re people saying "Oh, but they had cops!" (like digitalrain, no offense) well, duh. You need police permission to stop cars on the road. But they would have gotten almost the same cooperation if they'd done the same thing at a similar semi-official location, like a hospital or a school. "Hi, we're with the CDC, and we're tracking vaccines..."

People follow authority. THAT should be the scary takeaway here, not that the cops were involved or the government was sampling DNA or that they had some bogus DUI rationale. It was that so many people put aside their unease and opened their mouths. Because a guy with a badge and another guy in a lab coat said "We need you to do this."


No matter what the situation is with a cop, the answer is always, "lawyer, please." I appreciate your thoughts on this, but anything you say to a cop will be used against you, Miranda rights or not.
Got busted for speeding. Just wasn't paying attention, and he got me on a clear 4 lane highway. AL trooper walked to the door, I had license, proof of insurance, and registration in hand. I simply told him I wasn't paying attention to my speed. That quote, "I wasn't paying attention to my speed" was on the printed $235 ticket. Of course I paid it. He had a dashcam and a microphone, plus what I opened my big mouth to. I should have said nothing except identify myself if he asked me, and said "I don't know" to everything else. I could have brought it to court that his GPS readings were off, and the ticket said he pulled me over 4 miles down a side road, but cameras. Paid it online and moved on with my life.
 
2013-06-12 12:37:13 AM  

Gyrfalcon: It was the mindset. People will agree to practically anything because THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE DO. It doesn't take much. A couple cops, a few guys with an aura of professorial authority, a little monetary lube for the reluctant--and tra-la! people will fall all over themselves to obey. Now in re people saying "Oh, but they had cops!" (like digitalrain, no offense) well, duh. You need police permission to stop cars on the road. But they would have gotten almost the same cooperation if they'd done the same thing at a similar semi-official location, like a hospital or a school. "Hi, we're with the CDC, and we're tracking vaccines..."


No offense taken, Gyr. I didn't say that I would blindly fall in line. I've met too many a-hole cops
with agendas for that. BUT there's no getting around the fact that many folks will automagically
do whatever a cop asks them to do.
 
2013-06-12 12:48:30 AM  
Voluntary, like those house searches in Boston?

/I may have tried to let my dog lick the swab and turned it in.  $10 for doggy breath!
 
2013-06-12 01:26:46 AM  

digitalrain: Gyrfalcon: It was the mindset. People will agree to practically anything because THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE DO. It doesn't take much. A couple cops, a few guys with an aura of professorial authority, a little monetary lube for the reluctant--and tra-la! people will fall all over themselves to obey. Now in re people saying "Oh, but they had cops!" (like digitalrain, no offense) well, duh. You need police permission to stop cars on the road. But they would have gotten almost the same cooperation if they'd done the same thing at a similar semi-official location, like a hospital or a school. "Hi, we're with the CDC, and we're tracking vaccines..."

No offense taken, Gyr. I didn't say that I would blindly fall in line. I've met too many a-hole cops
with agendas for that. BUT there's no getting around the fact that many folks will automagically
do whatever a cop asks them to do.


True, true. My only point here is that too many people here are taking away the wrong point here. They are focusing on the cop factor. I'm focusing on the needlessness factor (hm, needlessness is a word). There was absolutely NO reason for ANYONE to do ANYTHING here--not even ask for a lawyer--and yet people did it anyway, just because. Now, you are correct that they will immediately do what a cop says, which is scary enough--but why would even you say "Lawyer, please."? Why not just "No."?

I just find it fascinating, and very alarming, that, faced with the setup, the two most common responses are 1. obey because its a cop, or 2. disobey because its a cop. Nobody is saying 3. disobey because there's no reason to obey. The option to refuse was clearly given (you don't have to acquiesce, and just not get the money) and yet everyone's response to that is "Aha! They're recording license plates! They're keeping track of who refuses so they can catch them later!" Really? Why? That's your FIRST reaction?

Now I realize some of these responses may be sarcastic (I hope!), but my curiosity is piqued that so few people would just not say "No, thank you," and drive on. And why that is.
 
2013-06-12 05:57:10 AM  

Rumplebluntskin: People have the right to travel freely without getting hassled by the police for no good reason.


In Abalama? Baw, lemme tell yew sumpin'.
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2013-06-12 06:39:11 AM  
This was a horribly conducted study, and there's no way they were going to get a representative sample of people doing something illegal as long as it was both voluntary and conducted by cops, and by necessity required people to hand over identifying information.  That said, you can't actually identify someone with their blood or saliva without already having their DNA on record, and almost nobody has their DNA on record. It's also an important study, if only to tell us the the bare minimum people driving drunk. The outrage is completely manufactured by conspiracy nuts.
 
2013-06-12 11:22:07 AM  

sno man: Was going to say that official is either not too bright, or he's hoping everyone giving samples is not too bright.


Well, since the person saying they aren't getting DNA is from Washington, DC, I'd say he's the one that isn't too bright.

BitwiseShift: I remember when Alabama used to give away free Syphilis -- but you had to be black, living in Tuskegee and working in the agricultural trades. They were very good about keeping it a secret, so you can rest assured this research will be handled with the same professionalism.

Could be a retest -- depending on what's on the needles.


Your memory is somewhat flawed.  The United States Government (as in the US Public Health Service) gave away free syphillis, not the state of Alabama.  They simply chose Tuskegee as a distribution point.

dennysgod: Just what you'd expect from a small government red state.


Federal government program, not state program.
 
2013-06-12 11:22:29 AM  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_Dept._of_State_Police_v._Sitz one of the many wrongly decided supreme court cases that is destroying this country

"The Court also held that the impact on drivers, such as in delaying them from reaching their destination, was negligible, and that the brief questioning to gain "reasonable suspicion" similarly had a negligible impact on the drivers' Fourth Amendment right from unreasonable search"

This reasoning is used to justify all kinds of totalitarian bullshiat
 
2013-06-12 12:52:19 PM  
I assume the NSA already has most everyone's DNA.  Just like they requisition your records from the phone companies, I assume they also can requisition your blood from the big corporations, where your doctor sends all those blood samples to see if your liver is shot yet or if you have butt cancer.

Anyone who thinks the NSA has totally "come clean" now is really naive.
 
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