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(AL.com)   Apparently, two Alabama counties decided to take the NSA's domestic spy programs a couple of steps further toward their logical conclusion   (blog.al.com) divider line 76
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2013-06-11 04:40:48 PM  
So, the NSA is going to ask me nicely and send me a check for boring them to death?
 
2013-06-11 04:42:47 PM  
Right. Because there's no way you can get DNA from saliva.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/16620753/
 
2013-06-11 04:51:22 PM  

cmunic8r99: Right. Because there's no way you can get DNA from saliva.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/16620753/


Was going to say that official is either not too bright, or he's hoping everyone giving samples is not too bright.

/of course, it IS Alabama... all of the above is not off the table.
 
2013-06-11 04:57:18 PM  
Uh on.  Sounds like some folks are looking at a massive biological experiment in the near future.
 
2013-06-11 05:20:25 PM  
i42.tinypic.com
 
2013-06-11 05:26:45 PM  
So, what was the "survey" studying?
 
2013-06-11 05:27:43 PM  

basemetal: So, what was the "survey" studying?


the DNA of easily lied to people?
 
2013-06-11 05:28:38 PM  
FTFA: "They want to find out of all the people surveyed, how many people were driving with alcohol in their system, or prescription drugs, things like that."

So, if you drove away, that counts as a "yes." If you agreed, that counts as a "no." No DNA testing -- or any other kind of testing -- required.
 
2013-06-11 05:29:02 PM  
The samples, Ucles said, were used to measure whether drivers had the presence of over-the-counter, prescription and illegal drugs in their systems, or alcohol and the driver's individual blood alcohol concentration.

/oh boy, see if we can tap that for more revenue.
 
2013-06-11 06:11:54 PM  

basemetal: So, what was the "survey" studying?


The number of dumbasses who said, "Sure, go ahead."

/Without getting the money first!
 
2013-06-11 06:30:43 PM  
the Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation


ahhhhh ha ha ha

aaaaahahahaha ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

shhhyyyyyeahhhhhhh, sure, let me spit in this cup for 10 bucks. On the side of the road.  With your cruiser lights in my face.  For science!
 
2013-06-11 06:31:53 PM  
So basically, a research org is paying random people on the road to measure various levels of things in their blood to compile statistics and do research. Cue outrage.
 
2013-06-11 06:32:47 PM  
What a great way to get yourself on the Main Core list.

/Damned if you do, damned if you don't?
 
2013-06-11 06:33:45 PM  
I like how they used police for this completely voluntary study, what a joke.  I've said it a million times:  police should not ever be able to moonlight  as a police officer.  It's a serious conflict of interest.

basemetal: So, what was the "survey" studying?


My guess would be how much alcohol and drugs people have in their system so they can lobby for some new super expensive device.
 
2013-06-11 06:34:36 PM  
CSB:

About 10 years ago, I was on a treatment for Hep C (Interferon injections combined with Ribavirin pills) that made me anemic to the point that I fainted while driving one night and veered off the road and flipped my car.  When the police showed up, they made me do the FST, after which the cop said, "Now, I'm not going to arrest you for driving while intoxicated, but I'd like you to blow in this thing here".  I laughed, looked at my mom and friend who showed up to make sure I was OK and said, "HA! You hear this guy?!" and he turned to them and said, "I'm not going to arrest her for driving while intoxicated".

I still didn't blow in his thingy.

/CSB

This whole story reeks of something foul.  Or maybe I've just been watching "Fringe" on repeat too much lately.
 
2013-06-11 06:35:05 PM  
So basically it was voluntary and nothing at all like what the NSA is doing.

Nice job dumbmitter.
 
2013-06-11 06:35:05 PM  

Pichu0102: So basically, a research org is paying random people on the road to measure various levels of things in their blood to compile statistics and do research. Cue outrage.


Yeah, by BLOCKING the road so you can't opt out of being involved in a checkpoint, for SCIENCE.
 
2013-06-11 06:35:57 PM  

lesliessexxy: CSB:

About 10 years ago, I was on a treatment for Hep C (Interferon injections combined with Ribavirin pills) that made me anemic to the point that I fainted while driving one night and veered off the road and flipped my car.  When the police showed up, they made me do the FST, after which the cop said, "Now, I'm not going to arrest you for driving while intoxicated, but I'd like you to blow in this thing here".  I laughed, looked at my mom and friend who showed up to make sure I was OK and said, "HA! You hear this guy?!" and he turned to them and said, "I'm not going to arrest her for driving while intoxicated".

I still didn't blow in his thingy.

/CSB

This whole story reeks of something foul.  Or maybe I've just been watching "Fringe" on repeat too much lately.


My math is fail.  This was 2001, so 12 years ago.

/already?!
 
2013-06-11 06:37:07 PM  

my alt's alt's alt: Pichu0102: So basically, a research org is paying random people on the road to measure various levels of things in their blood to compile statistics and do research. Cue outrage.

Yeah, by BLOCKING the road so you can't opt out of being involved in a checkpoint, for SCIENCE.


Well, you obviously just don't understand the scienceyness of scienceness or the unimpeachable motives of the sciencey!
 
2013-06-11 06:40:58 PM  
You can use cops and roadblocks for voluntary studies now?
 
2013-06-11 06:41:49 PM  

bunner: Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation


From one of their senior researchers:  "Sobriety checkpoints have been used by police in the United States for at least the past two decades to enforce impaired driving laws. Research has indicated that sobriety checkpoints are effective in reducing drinking and driving and alcohol-related fatal crashes. "

Hmm, I'd LOVE to see the research behind that.  Did they count the number of people who were drunk and wrecked after a checkpoint.
 
2013-06-11 06:42:36 PM  
images.sodahead.com

Oh,  hell no
 
2013-06-11 06:43:09 PM  

IRQ12: I like how they used police for this completely voluntary study, what a joke.  I've said it a million times:  police should not ever be able to moonlight  as a police officer.  It's a serious conflict of interest.


An officer wearing his uniform while off duty and under pay by another entity is called "impersonating a police officer".

/Or abuse of power.
//He may be a police officer at his day job, but using the uniform off-duty in a security guard type position to intimidate people is a crime.
 
2013-06-11 06:48:10 PM  

IRQ12: bunner: Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation

From one of their senior researchers:  "Sobriety checkpoints have been used by police in the United States for at least the past two decades to enforce impaired driving laws. Research has indicated that sobriety checkpoints are effective in reducing drinking and driving and alcohol-related fatal crashes. "

Hmm, I'd LOVE to see the research behind that.  Did they count the number of people who were drunk and wrecked after a checkpoint.


Ohh man, this is great.  When I went to try to get some results of an actual study that supports the above I saw the quote "The deterrenteffect of DUI checkpointsis a proven resource in reducing the number of persons killed and injured in alcohol or drug involved "  like a dozen times just in the results.  Go to google and search that quote.  I haven't found 1 who uses that exact same quote who cites it, there's 13,000 results for the quote.
 
2013-06-11 06:49:57 PM  

IRQ12: Research has indicated that sobriety checkpoints are effective in reducing drinking and driving and alcohol-related fatal crashes. "


And keeps a lot of people with pretendy assed, LEO sponsored research jobs living in 4 B/R split levels with granite counter tops.
 
2013-06-11 06:50:10 PM  

basemetal: So, what was the "survey" studying?


The article said to randomly see who was driving loaded, doc
 
2013-06-11 06:50:29 PM  
Vere are your papers?
 
2013-06-11 06:53:59 PM  
The alleged story is fishy. If it was as stated, it would be easier and cheaper (the deputy had to be paid) to set up in a rest stop and erect a sign or two down the road a way soliciting volunteers.

Once you involve a cop, nothing is truly voluntary.
 
2013-06-11 06:56:18 PM  

Pichu0102: So basically, a research org is paying random people on the road to measure various levels of things in their blood to compile statistics and do research. Cue outrage.


The outrage is at the involvement of law enforcement with the inherent coercive effect.
 
2013-06-11 06:59:18 PM  
Wow, can you imagine the increase in "research check points" if being gay was illegal?
 
2013-06-11 07:06:04 PM  
AndreMA: Once you involve a cop, nothing is truly voluntary.

assets.sbnation.com
 
2013-06-11 07:11:42 PM  

special20: Wow, can you imagine the increase in "research check points" if being gay was illegal?


Throw greed, stupidity and arrogance into the code and nobody would be allowed to leave the house.  Especially the cops.
 
2013-06-11 07:19:04 PM  
And thanks to SCOTUS, this will probably soon become de rigueuracross the land, without the "voluntary" bits.
 
2013-06-11 07:21:25 PM  

feanorn: And thanks to SCOTUS, this will probably soon become de rigueuracross the land, without the "voluntary" bits.


The electoral process is the answer to everything except the supreme court who are appointed and have the last say on everything.  Convenient
 
2013-06-11 07:39:04 PM  
It would be quicker to just get the DNA from Ancestry.com and other DNA ancestry sites.

/if they haven't done that already
 
2013-06-11 07:45:20 PM  
What's scarier: that the cop did this in conjunction with a governmental agency...or that people went along with it completely voluntarily?

It's nothing to do with fear of cops, or desire for a measly amount of money; this is just a retread of Milgrams experiment. Someone in authority asks people to do something fairly obnoxious that they don't have to do, get no benefit from, and could refuse (because this wasn't a regular DUI checkpoint), and people STILL said "Sure!"

Because someone said they needed to.
 
2013-06-11 07:47:06 PM  
I remember when Alabama used to give away free Syphilis -- but you had to be black, living in Tuskegee and working in the agricultural trades. They were very good about keeping it a secret, so you can rest assured this research will be handled with the same professionalism.

Could be a retest -- depending on what's on the needles.
 
2013-06-11 07:47:37 PM  

AndreMA: The alleged story is fishy. If it was as stated, it would be easier and cheaper (the deputy had to be paid) to set up in a rest stop and erect a sign or two down the road a way soliciting volunteers.


That only works if the people stopping in that specific rest stop are your target study group.  Regardless of whether this is right or not, that would be a terrible alternative.
 
2013-06-11 07:48:23 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Someone in authority


The last battle of the war to overthrow the American revolution will be to establish the most widely accepted authority posture, because if I print your money and I can make you do whatever I want, I own your ass
 
2013-06-11 07:53:26 PM  
This is the result of three generations of fatherless children, IMHO.  It's not "who's smart" or "who's good at something."  It's "Who's the man?", "who's in charge?", "who's the one rolling like a BOSS?"  "Who's the baddest badass?"  "WHO GETS TO SAY?"  Any more bright ideas, oh brave new world?  I mean, that wont piss off mom or, you know, "the people in charge"?
 
2013-06-11 07:55:20 PM  
"Sure, you can drive away, have a nice evening."
"Hey Lou, get that license plate. We'll get the DNA later."
 
2013-06-11 07:57:06 PM  

AndreMA: Pichu0102: So basically, a research org is paying random people on the road to measure various levels of things in their blood to compile statistics and do research. Cue outrage.

The outrage is at the involvement of law enforcement with the inherent coercive effect.


Bingo.  "Traffic safety" doesn't need uniformed deputies and cop cars.  Hell, road work crews in orange vests and hardhats know how to stop traffic safely.
 
2013-06-11 07:58:58 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Bingo.  "Traffic safety" doesn't need uniformed deputies and cop cars.  Hell, road work crews in orange vests and hardhats know how to stop traffic safely.


But not wif de reqwizit authoriteh!!1!!!1  I hope everybody likes the taste of shoe polish.
 
2013-06-11 08:14:13 PM  
Huh, I saw an episode of Dexter from a few years ago where they did this roadside DNA sampling thing, and thought it was too outlandish to ever happen in reality. Maybe the writers were inspired by the 2007 incidents mentioned in TFA. I keep having to remind myself that reality is crazier than fiction.
 
2013-06-11 08:16:47 PM  

jmr61: So basically it was voluntary and nothing at all like what the NSA is doing.

Nice job dumbmitter.


Only a matter of time.

Only. A. Matter. Of. Time.

Obama: "Nobody is listening to your phone calls!"... "but we are reading your emails."

Riiiiiiight.

So, here we are, trading our privacy and autonomy for the illusion of security. Not on a temporary basis. Nor even limited to a wholesale basis. Watch carefully folks. You are seeing the setting of precedent for violations of the Fourth Amendment on an unprecedented scale. "We can catch more terrorists by  having access to your every communication," is merely the beginning. Next stop: breathalyzing every driver, for every trip. No problem? Wait until the damn thing malfunctions and something crucial hangs in the balance.

But wait!!! There's more!

Since you so willingly allowed us to intrude in your communications (and thereby set precedent for governmental intrusion in places where you have a "reasonable expectation of privacy,") as a bonus gift, you get this handy set of cameras for every room in your home! If we can catch more terrorists by monitoring all communications, just think of all the other criminals we can catch by examining all the other areas where people used to feel secure!

Hyperbole?
 
2013-06-11 08:17:10 PM  

Gyrfalcon: What's scarier: that the cop did this in conjunction with a governmental agency...or that people went along with it completely voluntarily?

It's nothing to do with fear of cops, or desire for a measly amount of money; this is just a retread of Milgrams experiment. Someone in authority asks people to do something fairly obnoxious that they don't have to do, get no benefit from, and could refuse (because this wasn't a regular DUI checkpoint), and people STILL said "Sure!"

Because someone said they needed to.


I am certain the researchers had Milgram's experiment in mind when they set this one up.  It's something covered in Psych 101, after all.  Like BarkingUnicorn said, there are other efficient ways to stop traffic; they just don't carry the same level of implied authority over the general public's actions.

/I know, you know this.
//Just preaching to the choir.
 
2013-06-11 08:26:28 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Hyperbole?


I think we have, in the last 12 years, moved from comic books to science fiction to hyperbole to "the way sh*t is now".  That is the standard formula for installing a fascist state, isn't  it?  Crete causal event, react swiftly for "security", eradicate autonomy for the populace?  I mean, this is reviewed as being pat formula in PoliSci 202, non?
 
2013-06-11 08:34:40 PM  
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HA HA!  TOL'JA SO!
 
2013-06-11 08:36:50 PM  
Hmm another excuse for pulling people over random. And asking for DNA. Yeah I know exactly what the study is. Its a study to see how much BS the people will let the government get away with. People have the right to travel freely without getting hassled by the police for no good reason. Breaking the law or suspect of crime is one thing, but if not, leave me the fark alone!!
 
2013-06-11 08:39:07 PM  

Rumplebluntskin: Its a study to see how much BS the people will let the government get away with.


So was this.

25.media.tumblr.com
 
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