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(Slate)   A reporter covering an unlawful assembly at the Tehran Capitol building is singled out, handcuffed, and led away for refusing to stop interviewing the protesters. Oh, did I say Tehran? I meant North Carolina. (video)   (slate.com) divider line 199
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2013-06-11 09:14:43 PM
Old and busted: This headline meme.
 
2013-06-11 09:14:58 PM
So, what are the protesters' concerns?

/SDNRTFA
 
2013-06-11 09:16:49 PM
We really should stop lecturing other countries on human rights abuses. It only makes us look stupid as the idea of the US being a fortress of democracy and freedom is all but dead.
 
2013-06-11 09:18:11 PM
That's a pretty troll-tastic headline.
 
2013-06-11 09:18:16 PM

readbot42: So, what are the protesters' concerns?

/SDNRTFA


Does that 'S' stand for stupidly?
 
2013-06-11 09:18:20 PM

readbot42: So, what are the protesters' concerns?

/SDNRTFA


Liberal religious leaders and non-religious liberals protesting reactionary legislation being shoved through by Republicans in South Carolina.
 
2013-06-11 09:18:30 PM
Oh, protesting kicking the poors. Carry on. Perhaps I may join them in the fall. Too muggy there right now.
 
2013-06-11 09:21:52 PM
He had a flat cap on that's his problem right there.

This is how it's done

watchdognation.com

Police: we're arresting you for tresspa.....Oh sorry didn't see the hat. Move along.
 
2013-06-11 09:25:36 PM
So what makes it an unlawful assembly, exactly?
 
2013-06-11 09:26:04 PM
This makes me ill. Seriously.

Freedom of Assembly is gone.

Which amendments/rights do we have left? Any?
 
2013-06-11 09:26:08 PM
Meh, he probably stuck around when the police were sorting out who wanted to be arrested. The symbolic protest-mass arrest is a choreographed dance at this point. Unless the police have really bad training or they don't feel like they have control over the situation, it's hard to get arrested unintentionally without being a pretty major dumbass.
 
2013-06-11 09:28:35 PM
I really hope the ACLU teams up with this guy and sues the shiat out of the state.  You don't arrest press that are doing their job.
 
2013-06-11 09:29:59 PM

readbot42: So, what are the protesters' concerns?

/SDNRTFA


Only part of a really dismal story.

A wanna-be Koch named Art Pope is bankrolling a rightward whiplash in the NC state legislature, which is awash in ALEC astroturf and 32 flavors of teatard derp.  Alas, "Amendment One" was only the initial herp.
 
2013-06-11 09:31:40 PM
From the video they say the protesters have 2 minutes to leave and start arresting people immediately.

RanDomino: Meh, he probably stuck around when the police were sorting out who wanted to be arrested. The symbolic protest-mass arrest is a choreographed dance at this point. Unless the police have really bad training or they don't feel like they have control over the situation, it's hard to get arrested unintentionally without being a pretty major dumbass.


Or the police are planning on arresting a bunch of people regardless
 
2013-06-11 09:31:50 PM

aedude01: I really hope the ACLU teams up with this guy and sues the shiat out of the state.  You don't arrest press that are doing their job.


Did you miss the various crackdowns on Occupy?
 
2013-06-11 09:33:31 PM

China White Tea: So what makes it an unlawful assembly, exactly?


http://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/PDF/BySection/Chapt er _14/GS_14-288.5.pdf

Basically, if a cop claims to have a reasonable suspicion that the assembly is about to turn into a riot, he can order people to disperse and arrest anyone who doesn't.
 
2013-06-11 09:35:08 PM

Sir-Marx-A-Lot: This makes me ill. Seriously.

Freedom of Assembly is gone.

Which amendments/rights do we have left? Any?


Please. You can't assemble anytime and anywhere you want. That has always been the case.
 
2013-06-11 09:35:28 PM

aedude01: I really hope the ACLU teams up with this guy and sues the shiat out of the state.  You don't arrest press that are doing their job.



But the plebes... you can arrest the fark out of the plebes, amirite?
 
2013-06-11 09:37:34 PM

BarkingUnicorn: China White Tea: So what makes it an unlawful assembly, exactly?

http://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/PDF/BySection/Chapt er _14/GS_14-288.5.pdf

Basically, if a cop claims to have a reasonable suspicion that the assembly is about to turn into a riot, he can order people to disperse and arrest anyone who doesn't.


I would also imagine the state house and other specific locations are restricted from assemblies unless some kind of permit is granted ahead of time.
 
2013-06-11 09:39:30 PM

BarkingUnicorn: China White Tea: So what makes it an unlawful assembly, exactly?

http://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/PDF/BySection/Chapt er _14/GS_14-288.5.pdf

Basically, if a cop claims to have a reasonable suspicion that the assembly is about to turn into a riot, he can order people to disperse and arrest anyone who doesn't.


So they had a reasonable suspicion that an assembly of pastors was going to turn into a riot?
 
2013-06-11 09:40:16 PM

BarkingUnicorn: China White Tea: So what makes it an unlawful assembly, exactly?

http://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/PDF/BySection/Chapt er _14/GS_14-288.5.pdf

Basically, if a cop claims to have a reasonable suspicion that the assembly is about to turn into a riot, he can order people to disperse and arrest anyone who doesn't.


I'm going to guess that a recurring protest that happens every Monday and is led by left-leaning pastors is waaaaaay to organized and routine at this point ot devolve into a riot.  They probably have a rotating committee on who's supposed to bring the coffee and donuts each week.
 
2013-06-11 09:42:48 PM
Honestly, with the outright subversion of democracy and human decency we have here, there oughtn't be protests, but rebellion.  The GA are inhuman monsters.
 
2013-06-11 09:45:42 PM
As a liberal, I gotta say, this is what the police are supposed to do. No, you cannot just gather at places en masse and hope someone won't do something about it. Praise the protesters for their show of courage, but welcome to the seventies; if people aren't getting peacefully arrested then your protest sucks.

/Wait, the poor are being taken advantage of by Republican politicians? Well, now I've heard everything.
//At least the Dem ones don't rub it in.
 
2013-06-11 09:49:21 PM

ongbok: BarkingUnicorn: China White Tea: So what makes it an unlawful assembly, exactly?

http://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/PDF/BySection/Chapt er _14/GS_14-288.5.pdf

Basically, if a cop claims to have a reasonable suspicion that the assembly is about to turn into a riot, he can order people to disperse and arrest anyone who doesn't.

So they had a reasonable suspicion that an assembly of pastors was going to turn into a riot?


I would never thought I'd see Buddhists riot and kill 43 people including setting a Muslim man on fire, yet that's the farking world we're living in.
 
2013-06-11 09:49:47 PM

Bonzo_1116: BarkingUnicorn: China White Tea: So what makes it an unlawful assembly, exactly?

http://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/PDF/BySection/Chapt er _14/GS_14-288.5.pdf

Basically, if a cop claims to have a reasonable suspicion that the assembly is about to turn into a riot, he can order people to disperse and arrest anyone who doesn't.

I'm going to guess that a recurring protest that happens every Monday and is led by left-leaning pastors is waaaaaay to organized and routine at this point ot devolve into a riot.  They probably have a rotating committee on who's supposed to bring the coffee and donuts each week.


"Riot or disorderly conduct" is what the statute actually says. Disorderly conduct is the most useful tool cops have.  It justifies almost any arrest.

http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/BySecti on /Chapter_14/GS_14-288.4.html
 
2013-06-11 09:53:55 PM

Sir-Marx-A-Lot: This makes me ill. Seriously.

Freedom of Assembly is gone.

Which amendments/rights do we have left? Any?


You can still watch porn. Also you can still bad mouth the government and Jesus. Obama is a moron and Jesus sucks cack. See, I'm not going to jail. Try that in Iran.

Also, you have never been able to protest/assemble on private property. 100 people gather I my lawn I'll have the police remove them. I could have done the same thing 100 years ago.
 
2013-06-11 09:55:47 PM

Granny_Panties: Sir-Marx-A-Lot: This makes me ill. Seriously.

Freedom of Assembly is gone.

Which amendments/rights do we have left? Any?

You can still watch porn. Also you can still bad mouth the government and Jesus. Obama is a moron and Jesus sucks cack. See, I'm not going to jail. Try that in Iran.

Also, you have never been able to protest/assemble on private property. 100 people gather I my lawn I'll have the police remove them. I could have done the same thing 100 years ago.


The capitol building isn't private property.
 
2013-06-11 10:01:07 PM
And this thread is proof positive why oppressive regimes can rise to power: Most people like oppressive regimes, or at least don't care, as long as they're not the ones being directly and immediately oppressed.
 
2013-06-11 10:01:44 PM

Summercat: readbot42: So, what are the protesters' concerns?

/SDNRTFA

Liberal religious leaders and non-religious liberals protesting reactionary legislation being shoved through by Republicans in South Carolina.


I'm no Ph.D. in compasstry, but...
 
2013-06-11 10:02:20 PM

Sir-Marx-A-Lot: This makes me ill. Seriously.

Freedom of Assembly is gone.

Which amendments/rights do we have left? Any?


Just the 2nd. Which is the only important one, anyway, amirite?
 
2013-06-11 10:04:37 PM

RanDomino: Meh, he probably stuck around when the police were sorting out who wanted to be arrested.


Exactly!  If you are a journalist and the police want you to leave, you'd better leave, huh?
 
2013-06-11 10:08:17 PM
PapaChester
if people aren't getting peacefully arrested then your protest sucks.

I was about to strike the "n't" but I suppose if it's just a protest then, okay, do whatever you want to feel morally fulfilled. I'm sure these pastors are, like, totally going to heaven! Good job!
Meanwhile, their state will continue to go to hell, and their efforts will not only not have any impact, but may serve to delegitimize other forms of protest or action. But yay for going to heaven or whatever!
 
2013-06-11 10:11:54 PM
Hollie Maea
Exactly! If you are a journalist and the police want you to leave, you'd better leave, huh?

There's usually a pretty discrete zone of arrest that the cops give everyone a chance to leave first.
Just to be clear, I'm not justifying it, in fact I think it would have been great if the parking brake on the arrest bus would snap and it would run over every farking pig there, but this is how things are these days so either this guy wanted to be arrested, or he's a dumbass, or he's setting himself up to lose a first amendment lawsuit when a court declares (as usual) that the police have the right to do whatever they want and the reporter was probably a terrorist.
 
2013-06-11 10:13:01 PM

RanDomino: Hollie Maea
Exactly! If you are a journalist and the police want you to leave, you'd better leave, huh?

There's usually a pretty discrete zone of arrest that the cops give everyone a chance to leave first.
Just to be clear, I'm not justifying it, in fact I think it would have been great if the parking brake on the arrest bus would snap and it would run over every farking pig there, but this is how things are these days so either this guy wanted to be arrested, or he's a dumbass, or he's setting himself up to lose a first amendment lawsuit when a court declares (as usual) that the police have the right to do whatever they want and the reporter was probably a terrorist.


you had me until the "I want all cops there to die" part
 
2013-06-11 10:13:05 PM

Summercat:Liberal religious leaders and non-religious liberals protesting reactionary legislation being shoved through by Republicans in South Carolina.

Putting aside abortion, there are no religious leaders who are not "liberal".  The ones who seem that way are merely scam artists making millions telling people what they want to hear (see: Pat Robertson)


fusillade762: Just the 2nd. Which is the only important one, anyway, amirite?


It's the only one with a $30 billion industry and a highly paid army of lobbyists and outrage-mongers behind it anyway.
 
2013-06-11 10:15:29 PM

ongbok: The capitol building isn't private property.


Meanwhile, in Arizona.
 
2013-06-11 10:15:42 PM

TheSpaceAdmiral: Summercat: readbot42: So, what are the protesters' concerns?

/SDNRTFA

Liberal religious leaders and non-religious liberals protesting reactionary legislation being shoved through by Republicans in South Carolina.

I'm no Ph.D. in compasstry, but...


They're all the same...

/don't even get me started on West Carolina
 
2013-06-11 10:18:42 PM
Quake at the sight of the terrifying Funk in action!

d2bic7m9md1y19.cloudfront.net
 
2013-06-11 10:20:18 PM

theknuckler_33: I would also imagine the state house and other specific locations are restricted from assemblies unless some kind of permit is granted ahead of time.


Which puts the idea of freedom of assembly in the shiatter.
 
2013-06-11 10:21:40 PM

Granny_Panties: Sir-Marx-A-Lot: This makes me ill. Seriously.

Freedom of Assembly is gone.

Which amendments/rights do we have left? Any?

You can still watch porn. Also you can still bad mouth the government and Jesus. Obama is a moron and Jesus sucks cack. See, I'm not going to jail. Try that in Iran.

Also, you have never been able to protest/assemble on private property. 100 people gather I my lawn I'll have the police remove them. I could have done the same thing 100 years ago.


State house /= your lawn
 
2013-06-11 10:22:52 PM
The arrest of the reporter was completely uncalled for. That man was doing his job, and acting well within hisrights.
 
2013-06-11 10:23:51 PM

Hollie Maea: Exactly!  If you are a journalist and the police want you to leave, you'd better leave, huh?


fark Journalists.
They have the same rights as the rest of us.
Plus the right to protect their sources.
 
2013-06-11 10:24:46 PM

satanorsanta: From the video they say the protesters have 2 minutes to leave and start arresting people immediately.


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances
 
2013-06-11 10:27:14 PM

Warlordtrooper: satanorsanta: From the video they say the protesters have 2 minutes to leave and start arresting people immediately.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances


yes, and just like all of our rights, there are restrictions on it. Without such restrictions, we'd have chaos. Impromptu demonstrations, riots, etc. We live in a society where we share space. You don't get to occupy whatever space you'd like at any time for any reason. It's part of the social contract.
 
2013-06-11 10:33:58 PM

skullkrusher: yes, and just like all of our rights, there are restrictions on it.


Peacefully assembling at the state house to petition the government for a redress of grievances is GODDAMN SPELLED OUT.  Not to mention the right of the press.

I thought you called yourself a libertarian. Or is that just code for "I don't like paying taxes"?
 
2013-06-11 10:36:28 PM

skullkrusher: Warlordtrooper: satanorsanta: From the video they say the protesters have 2 minutes to leave and start arresting people immediately.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

yes, and just like all of our rights, there are restrictions on it. Without such restrictions, we'd have chaos. Impromptu demonstrations, riots, etc. We live in a society where we share space. You don't get to occupy whatever space you'd like at any time for any reason. It's part of the social contract.


Yes, you cannot trespass on private property,  The state capital building is not private property.
 
2013-06-11 10:37:22 PM
Lot of goose-stepping Hitler lovers praising government totalitarianism in this thread eh.

Let me know when you decide it's a good idea to send a large portion if your population to death camps ok
 
2013-06-11 10:37:32 PM

Certainly You Jest: readbot42: So, what are the protesters' concerns?

/SDNRTFA

Only part of a really dismal story.

A wanna-be Koch named Art Pope is bankrolling a rightward whiplash in the NC state legislature, which is awash in ALEC astroturf and 32 flavors of teatard derp.  Alas, "Amendment One" was only the initial herp.


WAT
 
2013-06-11 10:37:51 PM

Hollie Maea: skullkrusher: yes, and just like all of our rights, there are restrictions on it.

Peacefully assembling at the state house to petition the government for a redress of grievances is GODDAMN SPELLED OUT.  Not to mention the right of the press.

I thought you called yourself a libertarian. Or is that just code for "I don't like paying taxes"?


I am a practical libertarian. As a result, I don't LIKE paying taxes but I pay them because they are necessary for a functioning government.

There is absolutely nothing about assembling at the state house. You have the right to petition the government for redress of grievances. That does not mean you can walk into the Oval Office.
 
2013-06-11 10:38:32 PM

Warlordtrooper: skullkrusher: Warlordtrooper: satanorsanta: From the video they say the protesters have 2 minutes to leave and start arresting people immediately.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

yes, and just like all of our rights, there are restrictions on it. Without such restrictions, we'd have chaos. Impromptu demonstrations, riots, etc. We live in a society where we share space. You don't get to occupy whatever space you'd like at any time for any reason. It's part of the social contract.

Yes, you cannot trespass on private property,  The state capital building is not private property.


you also cannot set up camp in the middle of the freeway. Not private property. Also not allowed.
 
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