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(Slate)   Slate dares ask the question: Will stealing cosmetic ideas from Microsoft be enough to help Apple save the iPhone? Hey, Apple, have you ever met your customers? Just add an extra layer of shine to the plastic and you'll be fine   (slate.com) divider line 122
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2013-06-11 12:20:36 PM  
Glad I'm not the only one who was reminded of windows phone upon seeing IOS 7.
 
2013-06-11 12:20:51 PM  
Slate dares ask the question: Will stealing cosmetic ideas from Microsoft be enough to help Apple save the iPhone? Hey, Apple, have you ever met your customers? Just add an extra layer of shine to the plastic and you'll be fineNot news: Apple stealing others' innovations. Fark: Someone just noticed at Slate and someone at Fark wrote a headline about it.
 
2013-06-11 12:21:28 PM  
demotivationalblog.com
 
2013-06-11 12:22:26 PM  

lockers: Glad I'm not the only one who was reminded of windows phone upon seeing IOS 7.



I think it is amazing that Apple is being schooled on interface design by Microsoft.  If you would have predicted this five years ago people would have laughed at you.  But it is clear that the XBOX/Windows Phone/Metro look has influenced Apple.
 
2013-06-11 12:23:24 PM  
"Save the iphone?"
 
2013-06-11 12:24:03 PM  
Yet the fanbois will continue to buy every new iteration.
 
2013-06-11 12:25:25 PM  
It seems like all the new mobile OS's are looking similar.  My first thought when looking at iOS 7 was Android Jellybean.

One thing that does strike me as weird, though, is that, just when they're pushing for less skeuomorphism, they're also implementing that parallax effect when you tilt the phone.
 
2013-06-11 12:31:41 PM  
iOS 7 is based on years of customer research and design experimentation. Apple doesn't start with a blank slate and throw shiat at it until they've created a product. They meticulously design and redesign, sometimes starting over from scratch when necessary, to create a product that isn't just convenient and efficient but actually adds joy to the people who use it.

Microsoft is a company whose greatest accomplishment was ripping off the Mac OS. There isn't even a comparison here.
 
2013-06-11 12:31:49 PM  

abfalter: lockers: Glad I'm not the only one who was reminded of windows phone upon seeing IOS 7.


I think it is amazing that Apple is being schooled on interface design by Microsoft.  If you would have predicted this five years ago people would have laughed at you.  But it is clear that the XBOX/Windows Phone/Metro look has influenced Apple.


And yet, the Apple zealots will tell everybody that MS copied them....
 
2013-06-11 12:33:05 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: iOS 7 is based on years of customer research and design experimentation. Apple doesn't start with a blank slate and throw shiat at it until they've created a product. They meticulously design and redesign, sometimes starting over from scratch when necessary, to create a product that isn't just convenient and efficient but actually adds joy to the people who use it.

Microsoft is a company whose greatest accomplishment was ripping off the Mac OS. There isn't even a comparison here.


And so it begins....
 
2013-06-11 12:34:13 PM  
Uhh... from what I can see, they're stealing ideas from Microsoft that was in turn stolen from Palm Pre.
 
2013-06-11 12:35:03 PM  
Seems fair.
cdn-static.zdnet.com

/Yeah I know we're talking about Windows.
//Could just as easily be titled "All Smartphones Pre and Post iPhone"
///hot
 
2013-06-11 12:36:27 PM  

ronaprhys: Yet the fanbois will continue to buy every new iteration.


lets hope that ends with this generation of (apple's crappy products) so that maybe they'll try actually competing again.
 
2013-06-11 12:36:42 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: iOS 7 is based on years of customer research and design experimentation. Apple doesn't start with a blank slate and throw shiat at it until they've created a product. They meticulously design and redesign, sometimes starting over from scratch when necessary, to create a product that isn't just convenient and efficient but actually adds joy to the people who use it.

Microsoft is a company whose greatest accomplishment was ripping off the Mac OS. There isn't even a comparison here.


Hey there, you must be new in the world.  Let me tell you about this company called Xerox and their Palo Alto Research Center...
 
2013-06-11 12:37:52 PM  
Meanwhile the latest iOS update helpfully wiped out all my bookmarks.  What is the opposite of an Apple fanboy?
 
2013-06-11 12:38:38 PM  

HeartBurnKid: they're also implementing that parallax effect when you tilt the phone


That's a trick to make thin, light fonts readable above a background photo. The parallax effect isn't meant to replicate some natural object or be familiar. It instantly becomes familiar after the first or second exposure. It's really good design. I've got two main gripes about the new look (have it installed on my phone now):

-The bright white background (in most built-in apps, notably Messages) is going to cause eye strain and drain batteries. It needs to be toned down. Half the phone screen is blank white space sometimes.

-The reduction to pure minimalism makes the OS look exactly like every other, and will be easy to duplicate for other vendors in future releases. The app icons for built-in apps, OS chrome, background patterns and gradients, etc were expensive to produce and easy to spot as infringement. How do you prove infringement on the way new messages bounce/glide/fade into view? An icon that is a rounded white square with "JUNE 10" in red letters? Apple is hoping their hardware will keep them ahead, I guess. They've invested a lot in manufacturing and relationships, so maybe it'll work.

My other gripe is, as a developer, I've now got to redesign all my apps, even the ones that aren't finished. I was mimicking some iOS6 UI for MapKit that's going to look stupid now. But that's my own fault for trying to end-run around the Beast.

Bottom line: betting against Apple in the mobile space is for suckers. I will give this time to sink in, everybody seems to love Apple's every brain fart, so they will love this too. My opinions be damned.
 
2013-06-11 12:43:52 PM  
I can't be the only one who thinks this new "flat" approach looks cheap... can I? I mean, I've always thought the Android and Windows phone systems looked cheap and weak. I thought the iPhone was meant to be a visually-stunning piece of useable art? This doesn't do it for me...
 
2013-06-11 12:44:06 PM  

mccallcl: That's a trick to make thin, light fonts readable above a background photo.


Seems like it'd only help in very specific circumstances, like with a photo that has light and dark spots very close to each other.

mccallcl: The parallax effect isn't meant to replicate some natural object or be familiar.


Yes it is.  It's meant to replicate the effect of physical objects layered on top of one another.  Try doodling on a picture frame, then tilting it around; that's the effect that parallax is trying to replicate.
 
2013-06-11 12:44:27 PM  
Two words: black lacquer.
 
2013-06-11 12:45:48 PM  

farkingatwork: ronaprhys: Yet the fanbois will continue to buy every new iteration.

lets hope that ends with this generation of (apple's crappy products) so that maybe they'll try actually competing again.


No - they're basically zealots.  It's a religious devotion to the Apple products, regardless of how crappy and over-priced they are.  You'd have a better chance of convincing a fundie that little baby jeebus in his golden huggies wasn't real.
 
2013-06-11 12:46:17 PM  
I just sent this to my coworker and he's been on the floor laughing for the past 10 minutes.  Am I liable if something happened?
 
2013-06-11 12:46:19 PM  

misanthropologist: I can't be the only one who thinks this new "flat" approach looks cheap... can I? I mean, I've always thought the Android and Windows phone systems looked cheap and weak. I thought the iPhone was meant to be a visually-stunning piece of useable art? This doesn't do it for me...


I used to think that too. But the new iOS 7 really brings a sense of class and style to the design that was lacking in the Windows and Android phones. Don't get me wrong, those phones still look like crap. But the iPhone doesn't, because it's designed with design in mind.
 
2013-06-11 12:52:52 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Seems like it'd only help in very specific circumstances, like with a photo that has light and dark spots very close to each other.


Yeah, well, they studied the shiat out of it, and it works.

HeartBurnKid: Try doodling on a picture frame, then tilting it around; that's the effect that parallax is trying to replicate.


Parallax is trying to replicate an object that I have never used in that way before? Seems an unlikely method to get people to identify with something: make it like something they've never used. If they made the top layer look like glass (little scratches or a bezel appearing on the "low" side when rotating or an artificial reflection), you'd have a point. Think to Notes having a paper-like surface or Game Center looking like a felt gaming table. Icons appearing as if they were under glass, with an artificial reflection.

This effect makes interacting with the content richer and more immediate, but it's not skeuomorphism. It behaves much like a glass surface over another, opaque surface, but that's an association you're making. The problem with skeuomorphism is that the forced association may not be relevant and may alienate younger users that don't have real-world expectations of presentation, or an analogous object (many young people have never seen yellow paper or felt gaming tables). There isn't an object being represented by the parallax effect, so it's not skeuomorphism.
 
2013-06-11 12:55:11 PM  
I should add that I don't mind skeuomorphism, perhaps because I am old and my old-people eyes prefer it. I think the new look is "cheap" in the sense that it lacks detail, like a plain white sheet. I think Apple is trying the high-threadcount approach, hoping the feel keeps people coming back. We'll see if it works.
 
2013-06-11 01:00:34 PM  
hehe Samsung FTW,
 
2013-06-11 01:00:54 PM  

mccallcl: HeartBurnKid: Seems like it'd only help in very specific circumstances, like with a photo that has light and dark spots very close to each other.

Yeah, well, they studied the shiat out of it, and it works.


That's the same fallacious appeal to authority that the Windows 8 fanboys use.

mccallcl: Parallax is trying to replicate an object that I have never used in that way before?


You've never layered an object on top of another object?
 
2013-06-11 01:03:08 PM  
So if Apple can sue Samsung for rounded corners and such, can Microsoft sue Apple for what it mimicked?

And I don't actually care who did what first.  History teaches (or doesn't, rather) that the person/company who does it first is rarely the one who gets the credit.  (Xerox vs Mac/Windows IOS; Hydrox vs Oreo, and pretty much everything Thomas Edison "invented").
 
2013-06-11 01:05:18 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: iOS 7 is based on years of customer research and design experimentation. Apple doesn't start with a blank slate and throw shiat at it until they've created a product. They meticulously design and redesign, sometimes starting over from scratch when necessary, to create a product that isn't just convenient and efficient but actually adds joy to the people who use it.

Microsoft is a company whose greatest accomplishment was ripping off the Mac OS. There isn't even a comparison here.


Fark: Derpy Shills in every thread, not just politics. The cognitive dissonance has to be getting you paid.

AverageAmericanGuy: misanthropologist: I can't be the only one who thinks this new "flat" approach looks cheap... can I? I mean, I've always thought the Android and Windows phone systems looked cheap and weak. I thought the iPhone was meant to be a visually-stunning piece of useable art? This doesn't do it for me...

I used to think that too. But the new iOS 7 really brings a sense of class and style to the design that was lacking in the Windows and Android phones. Don't get me wrong, those phones still look like crap. But the iPhone doesn't, because it's designed with design in mind.


You "used to think that" up until yesterday when you got your new talking points.  Sure, you can argue that the DROID line is too utilitarian, and that the S4 feels flimsy with the plastic back.  Have you seen the HTC One?

And while we're on the subject of designing with design in mind, let's look at the thunderbolt connector.  Sure, when the original iphone came out, there was no standard to the marked.  Now, every developer, designer, and manufacturer has latched onto micro USB.  It's ubiquitous. But, because Apple designed with profit in mind, they made an entire new connector.  Rather than simplify your life and let someone use any plug in their house to charge all their devices, you have to buy all new Apple-branded devices. I'll pass, thanks.
 
2013-06-11 01:06:32 PM  
I just find it amusing that so much discussion and debate centers around the way the icons look.  You can even see it when reading app reviews in the iTunes store.  People actually deduct stars from a rating because they think an icon is unattractive.  Double you tee eff?

I used an iPhone for a year and a half and recently switched to a Galaxy S3 . When someone asks me to compare the phones, not once do I bring up the appearance of the icons.  That couldn't be less important to me.  The only thing that matters to me is performance.
 
2013-06-11 01:09:33 PM  

Where wolf: And while we're on the subject of designing with design in mind, let's look at the thunderbolt connector. Sure, when the original iphone came out, there was no standard to the marked. Now, every developer, designer, and manufacturer has latched onto micro USB. It's ubiquitous. But, because Apple designed with profit in mind, they made an entire new connector. Rather than simplify your life and let someone use any plug in their house to charge all their devices, you have to buy all new Apple-branded devices. I'll pass, thanks.


Why do you hate freedom and America and eagles and the troops? Having a shared standard for all manufacturers sounds like communism or fascism or something like that. I'd expect that from the Chinese or the North Koreans, but in America we have individual freedom and ingenuity and no Big Government restrictions on industry...

/seriously though, imagine the shiat show if appliance manufacturers all used proprietary plugs and houses had to be wired so that the sockets matched the equipment you wanted to install... ugh.
 
2013-06-11 01:11:20 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: misanthropologist: I can't be the only one who thinks this new "flat" approach looks cheap... can I? I mean, I've always thought the Android and Windows phone systems looked cheap and weak. I thought the iPhone was meant to be a visually-stunning piece of useable art? This doesn't do it for me...

I used to think that too. But the new iOS 7 really brings a sense of class and style to the design that was lacking in the Windows and Android phones. Don't get me wrong, those phones still look like crap. But the iPhone doesn't, because it's designed with design in mind.


I think hardware-wise, Apple still does the best job with design. I'm not sold on this software revamp. I'll have to wait and see it in person - someone in my circle is bound to "upgrade" once the OS is available.
 
2013-06-11 01:11:45 PM  

JMacPA: Seems fair.
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Hmm, two can play that game

public.gettysburg.edu
Even had a capacitive touchscreen before the iPhone.
 
2013-06-11 01:13:53 PM  
I wonder if Apple will patent minimalism.
 
2013-06-11 01:15:33 PM  

Where wolf: And while we're on the subject of designing with design in mind, let's look at the thunderbolt connector.  Sure, when the original iphone came out, there was no standard to the marked.  Now, every developer, designer, and manufacturer has latched onto micro USB.  It's ubiquitous. But, because Apple designed with profit in mind, they made an entire new connector.  Rather than simplify your life and let someone use any plug in their house to charge all their devices, you have to buy all new Apple-branded devices. I'll pass, thanks.


Oh give me a break. The Lightning dock connector can be plugged in either direction (micro USB can't). It transfers data faster than micro USB. And it looks nicer to boot.

An adapter from the older dock connector to Lightning costs $29.
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD823ZM/A/lightning-to-30-pin-adap te r?fnode=45

Pretty cheap for state of the art equipment.
 
2013-06-11 01:19:18 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: misanthropologist: I can't be the only one who thinks this new "flat" approach looks cheap... can I? I mean, I've always thought the Android and Windows phone systems looked cheap and weak. I thought the iPhone was meant to be a visually-stunning piece of useable art? This doesn't do it for me...

I used to think that too. But the new iOS 7 really brings a sense of class and style to the design that was lacking in the Windows and Android phones. Don't get me wrong, those phones still look like crap. But the iPhone doesn't, because it's designed with design in mind.


If by "class and style" you mean "tweeny bubble gum happiness and sparkles," I agree with you. There was more class and style in iOS 1.0 than 7, and what users Gert now is an OS designed specifically to appeal to...the valuable 8- to 24-year-old demographic. I'm fairly young myself (under 30, thanks), but all the bright colors and such make me want to puke.

And I would much rather my mobile OS be designed with usability and customization in mind.
 
2013-06-11 01:20:58 PM  

mccallcl: How do you prove infringement on the way new messages bounce/glide/fade into view?


Boy that's an important question every user will be asking
 
2013-06-11 01:23:45 PM  

JMacPA: Seems fair.
[cdn-static.zdnet.com image 590x380]

/Yeah I know we're talking about Windows.
//Could just as easily be titled "All Smartphones Pre and Post iPhone"
///hot


Apple: But Judge, we use rounded corners on our icons rather than the sharp, square corners used in Windows 8 Mobile. Therefore, you couldn't possibly find us guilty of patent infringement!
 
2013-06-11 01:24:05 PM  
misanthropologist: I can't be the only one who thinks this new "flat" approach looks cheap... can I? I mean, I've always thought the Android and Windows phone systems looked cheap and weak. I thought the iPhone was meant to be a visually-stunning piece of useable art? This doesn't do it for me...

AverageAmericanGuy I used to think that too. But the new iOS 7 really brings a sense of class and style to the design that was lacking in the Windows and Android phones. Don't get me wrong, those phones still look like crap. But the iPhone doesn't, because it's designed with design in mind.

This is my first time in an Apple fanboi thread. Is it always this vomitous?
 
2013-06-11 01:24:42 PM  
My technology thing is better than your technology thing, and my life is so empty that I get in fights about it on the internet.
 
2013-06-11 01:26:13 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Where wolf: And while we're on the subject of designing with design in mind, let's look at the thunderbolt connector.  Sure, when the original iphone came out, there was no standard to the marked.  Now, every developer, designer, and manufacturer has latched onto micro USB.  It's ubiquitous. But, because Apple designed with profit in mind, they made an entire new connector.  Rather than simplify your life and let someone use any plug in their house to charge all their devices, you have to buy all new Apple-branded devices. I'll pass, thanks.

Oh give me a break. The Lightning dock connector can be plugged in either direction (micro USB can't). It transfers data faster than micro USB. And it looks nicer to boot.

An adapter from the older dock connector to Lightning costs $29.
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD823ZM/A/lightning-to-30-pin-adap te r?fnode=45

Pretty cheap for state of the art equipment.


Considering the other end of the cord is USB, trying to say it transfers data faster is laughable.  Unless you have specs to prove it.  And how is a electrically dumb series of wires into plated tabs "state of the art."

Do you work *at* an Apple store or do you just squat at one?
 
2013-06-11 01:26:32 PM  

100 Watt Walrus: My technology thing is better than your technology thing, and my life is so empty that I get in fights about it on the internet.


LOL. I know. It's crazy.

Apple haters love to troll Apple threads with their Android phone bullshiat.
 
2013-06-11 01:26:48 PM  

mdeesnuts: This is my first time in an Apple fanboi thread. Is it always this vomitous?


Yes.
 
2013-06-11 01:27:21 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Where wolf: And while we're on the subject of designing with design in mind, let's look at the thunderbolt connector.  Sure, when the original iphone came out, there was no standard to the marked.  Now, every developer, designer, and manufacturer has latched onto micro USB.  It's ubiquitous. But, because Apple designed with profit in mind, they made an entire new connector.  Rather than simplify your life and let someone use any plug in their house to charge all their devices, you have to buy all new Apple-branded devices. I'll pass, thanks.

Oh give me a break. The Lightning dock connector can be plugged in either direction (micro USB can't). It transfers data faster than micro USB. And it looks nicer to boot.

An adapter from the older dock connector to Lightning costs $29.
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD823ZM/A/lightning-to-30-pin-adap te r?fnode=45

Pretty cheap for state of the art equipment.


Don't ever get a job in sales...
 
2013-06-11 01:28:26 PM  
AverageAmericanGuy:
The Lightning dock connector can be plugged in either direction (micro USB can't).. And it looks nicer to boot.

 Are these the kind of things that are important to Apple people?

Actually, this explains a lot.
 
2013-06-11 01:30:06 PM  

mdeesnuts: misanthropologist: I can't be the only one who thinks this new "flat" approach looks cheap... can I? I mean, I've always thought the Android and Windows phone systems looked cheap and weak. I thought the iPhone was meant to be a visually-stunning piece of useable art? This doesn't do it for me...

AverageAmericanGuy I used to think that too. But the new iOS 7 really brings a sense of class and style to the design that was lacking in the Windows and Android phones. Don't get me wrong, those phones still look like crap. But the iPhone doesn't, because it's designed with design in mind.

This is my first time in an Apple fanboi thread. Is it always this vomitous?


They used to be worse, back when Android was still fleshing out.
 
2013-06-11 01:30:33 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: 100 Watt Walrus: My technology thing is better than your technology thing, and my life is so empty that I get in fights about it on the internet.

LOL. I know. It's crazy.

Apple haters love to troll Apple threads with their Android phone bullshiat.


HUUUUUUUUGE difference between Apple haters and realists. It's pretty realistic to think that there's already a standard smart/cell phone connector; we've all had them for years, and there's absolutely zero reason to change it, aside from knowing that Apple fanbois will gladly pay money for the car charger, travel charger, etc., because, well, it's pretty.
 
2013-06-11 01:31:22 PM  

HeartBurnKid: It seems like all the new mobile OS's are looking similar.  My first thought when looking at iOS 7 was Android Jellybean.

One thing that does strike me as weird, though, is that, just when they're pushing for less skeuomorphism, they're also implementing that parallax effect when you tilt the phone.


 I was reminded strongly of stock Jellybean for the settings and non-icon stuff, but the icons better match Microsoft.  Google seems to be keeping just a touch of drop-shadow and 3d in their icons.
 
2013-06-11 01:34:18 PM  
All I have to say is that the original iPhone looked extremely similar to my Xerox smart phone. Extremely similar.
 
2013-06-11 01:35:01 PM  

mdeesnuts: misanthropologist: I can't be the only one who thinks this new "flat" approach looks cheap... can I? I mean, I've always thought the Android and Windows phone systems looked cheap and weak. I thought the iPhone was meant to be a visually-stunning piece of useable art? This doesn't do it for me...

AverageAmericanGuy I used to think that too. But the new iOS 7 really brings a sense of class and style to the design that was lacking in the Windows and Android phones. Don't get me wrong, those phones still look like crap. But the iPhone doesn't, because it's designed with design in mind.

This is my first time in an Apple fanboi thread. Is it always this vomitous?


I don't consider myself an Apple fanboi by any means. I do consider myself a person who has some degree of taste and is willing to express my opinions to others. Design aesthetics are one factor that I consider when buying things, and I'm sometimes willing to pay a little more for things that I find more visually appealing (or which feel "better" in my hand...). I recognize that this is kind of intangible, but that's life. I'm also aware and willing to accept that this has a lot to do with advertisers and designers working together to manipulate me, the consumer, by using cultural cues (as an anthropologist, I would expect nothing less).

I also accept that others have opinions that will differ from mine. Some folks like the windows and android interfaces. That's fine. IMHO, they look cheap. I prefer the rounded edges, the textured icons, and the less gaudy colors. When I first saw Windows 8, I thought it looked like some kind of digital advent calendar. I love my Roku for what it does, but the interface still annoys me because I find it both ugly and unwieldy (though the recent software update is an improvement... I wish Netflix would update their Roku channel as well).
 
2013-06-11 01:36:27 PM  
methinks AverageAmericanGuy is the intersection of Poe's law and Apple fanboyism.
 
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