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(NBC News)   According to recent polls, support for affirmative action is at historic lows. Obviously this means that the south has won, Sarah Palin is now Empress in Chief (HBIC), and Obama has to go to work cleaning the feet of Rush Limbaugh   (firstread.nbcnews.com ) divider line
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2013-06-11 08:52:33 AM  
Ask them what they think of the Helmets to Hardhat programs, tax credits or breaks to businesses that hire veterans, and other similar programs, and I'll bet those numbers change pretty significantly.
 
2013-06-11 08:54:34 AM  
Head Brunette In Charge?

Bohemian?
Babylonian?
Baker?
Benevolent?
Balaskan?

What could subby have meant!?
 
2013-06-11 08:56:19 AM  
Biatch. I think he meant biatch.
 
2013-06-11 08:58:18 AM  
We should take a poll here to see if everyone is as sick of this headline meme as I am.
 
2013-06-11 08:59:35 AM  

Nabb1: We should take a poll here to see if everyone is as sick of this headline meme as I am.


I am in the affirmative to that action.
 
2013-06-11 09:06:34 AM  

Nabb1: We should take a poll here to see if everyone is as sick of this headline meme as I am.


I think the problem is that people have gotten lazy with it. It's only ever just three examples of the counter-history that an event will bring about. But if three events are as gut-bustingly funny as this meme has always been, then 5 events would be even funnier. That's what we need to see here, are some subbies with the wits, the gumption, the heart, the bravery, the derring-do to turn it up to five.

Also, don't forget the power of cross-meme pollination. A real subby, a subby with real bravado, what he'd do is take this meme, turn it up to five, and then merge it with another meme. Maybe the "your dog wants" or some sort of multiple choice thing that only includes the C) option. HA, my sides hurt just from thinking about it. And then he could add the coup de grace, the final cherry, the creme dela creme, so to speak, by making sure the link goes to something awesome like a top 25 list or a slideshow or even an auto-launch video. Man, think of the innovative possibilities.
 
2013-06-11 09:08:03 AM  
You know, I think, at this point, it'll be better to simply transition affirmative action to more of a need-based qualification rather than an ethnicity-based qualification. For the longest time, being a minority meant you were also financially worse off, but that's no longer true all the time.
 
2013-06-11 09:13:29 AM  
"Right now, I feel like it's reverse discrimination," said one poll respondent, a white, 69-year-old retired teacher from Rhode Island

i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-11 09:21:48 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: "Right now, I feel like it's reverse discrimination," said one poll respondent, a white, 69-year-old retired teacher from Rhode Island


Not pictured: dude's cousin back in Africa who's dying of aids and his children conscripted by a local warlord as a child soldiers.

I'd say he has it pretty good.
 
2013-06-11 09:22:57 AM  

Frank N Stein: Not pictured: dude's cousin back in Africa who's dying of aids and his children conscripted by a local warlord as a child soldiers.

I'd say he has it pretty good.


Wow. Good luck to you.
 
2013-06-11 09:23:50 AM  

Frank N Stein: Not pictured: dude's cousin back in Africa who's dying of aids and his children conscripted by a local warlord as a child soldiers.

I'd say he has it pretty good.


New slogan:

AMERICA: NOT AS BAD AS ANGOLA
 
2013-06-11 09:24:58 AM  
well, clearly there's no need for it, as all the sins of slavery have been washed away, and blacks are now economically and socially equal to whites in every way!
 
2013-06-11 09:31:35 AM  
13 years ago I would have thought that, perhaps, Affirmative Action was no longer needed.

After 13 years of ultra right-wing GOP rule (either directly or indirectly), I am thinking that we will never ever
grow past the need for it.
 
2013-06-11 09:33:40 AM  
I wonder how many of those that are opposed to Affirmative Action are white women.
 
2013-06-11 09:35:55 AM  

I_Am_Weasel: Head Brunette In Charge?

Bohemian?
Babylonian?
Baker?
Benevolent?
Balaskan?

What could subby have meant!?


Bimbo?
 
2013-06-11 09:38:42 AM  
Is this where I go to make unfounded statements about the special treatment of minorities and women in the workforce?
 
2013-06-11 09:41:30 AM  
Hopefully this dies down as the economy slowly improves. People always get more insular when times are hard.
 
2013-06-11 09:48:08 AM  

ongbok: I wonder how many of those that are opposed to Affirmative Action are white women.


At least +/- 30%. That seems to be the butter zone for the termially stupid in this country.
 
2013-06-11 09:58:15 AM  

I_Am_Weasel: Head Brunette In Charge?

Bohemian?
Babylonian?
Baker?
Benevolent?
Balaskan?

What could subby have meant!?


Bolton? She reminds me of Ramsey a wee bit.
 
2013-06-11 10:03:08 AM  

Nabb1: We should take a poll here to see if everyone is as sick of this headline meme as I am.


+1
 
2013-06-11 10:10:15 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: "Right now, I feel like it's reverse discrimination," said one poll respondent, a white, 69-year-old retired teacher from Rhode Island

[i.imgur.com image 478x375]


Yeah there are no poor white people.
Or do you subscribe to the opinion if you are poor and white it is your own fault?
 
2013-06-11 10:15:34 AM  

spongeboob: Yeah there are no poor white people.
Or do you subscribe to the opinion if you are poor and white it is your own fault?


How is this your first thought after seeing that cartoon?
 
2013-06-11 10:18:08 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: Hopefully this dies down as the economy slowly improves. People always get more insular when times are hard.


Hopefully?
 
2013-06-11 10:24:11 AM  

Nabb1: We should take a poll here to see if everyone is as sick of this headline meme as I am.


I still enjoy it when it is executed well but this is a pretty poor attempt
 
2013-06-11 10:24:49 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: That seems to be the butter zone for the termially stupid


Pray tell, where is the butter zone?

Never mind, I don't think we need to know.
 
2013-06-11 10:28:23 AM  

vernonFL: I_Am_Weasel: Head Brunette In Charge?

Bohemian?
Babylonian?
Baker?
Benevolent?
Balaskan?

What could subby have meant!?

Bimbo?


Blower of Mooses

// Moosen?
// Meese?
// actually, she probably would blow Ed Meese...
 
2013-06-11 10:28:26 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: spongeboob: Yeah there are no poor white people.
Or do you subscribe to the opinion if you are poor and white it is your own fault?

How is this your first thought after seeing that cartoon?


What I took away is that all whites got to their station in life by walking all over the black man.
 
2013-06-11 10:29:03 AM  

Gulper Eel: DjangoStonereaver: That seems to be the butter zone for the termially stupid

Pray tell, where is the butter zone?

Never mind, I don't think we need to know.


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"Get a copy of GOING ROGUE...."
 
2013-06-11 10:30:07 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: spongeboob: Yeah there are no poor white people.
Or do you subscribe to the opinion if you are poor and white it is your own fault?

How is this your first thought after seeing that cartoon?


My first thought is that the initial premise of the cartoon is foolish. Caucasians/European Americans/White people/whatever you want to call them did not get where they are today by exploiting the labor of African slaves. A percentage of the economy between 1776 and 1865 was based on slave labor, but it was a small one.
 
2013-06-11 10:33:25 AM  

give me doughnuts: A percentage of the economy between 1776 and 1865 was based on slave labor, but it was a small one.


And now it's based on unpaid intern labor, which is different. Less whipping, same creepy bosses coming on to you.
 
2013-06-11 10:34:16 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: 13 years ago I would have thought that, perhaps, Affirmative Action was no longer needed.

After 13 years of ultra right-wing GOP rule (either directly or indirectly), I am thinking that we will never ever
grow past the need for it.


The only problem is that under the GOP everyone making less than the top 2% needs affirmative action.
 
2013-06-11 10:34:29 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: ongbok: I wonder how many of those that are opposed to Affirmative Action are white women.

At least +/- 30%. That seems to be the butter zone for the termially stupid in this country.


One of my old managers told me this story of how one day he was at dinner with some of the other managers from where I used to work after a meeting that they had in Columbus, Ohio. And there was a group at the table next to them that consisted of 3 men and 4 woman all white. They were loudly and casually talking about affirmative action and how it was reverse racism and how wrong it was. One of the Senior V.Ps that was there, a white woman, turned to table and asked each woman there what did they do for a living. After getting that information she proceeded to drop some knowledge on them about how without affirmative action none of the women at that table would probably have the position that they have today and that how white women were the single biggest group that benefited from affirmative action. He said it was just epic. She even asked any of them if they wanted to respond and nobody at that table said a word. He said there was barely a peep out of them the rest of the time they were there.
 
2013-06-11 10:35:37 AM  
Man, some people take cartoons pretty literally, huh?

"This morning's Garfield is absurd as a cat, with no concept of time measurement, would have no reason to dislike Monday any more than any other day of the week; furthermore a diet of lasagna 6x a week would have serious health consequences on the feline digestive system."
 
2013-06-11 10:37:36 AM  

Gulper Eel: give me doughnuts: A percentage of the economy between 1776 and 1865 was based on slave labor, but it was a small one.

And now it's based on unpaid intern labor, which is different. Less whipping, same creepy bosses coming on to you.



Eager young co-eds, willing to do anything to ahead...


/"co-eds"?
/damn, I'm old
 
2013-06-11 10:37:41 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: spongeboob: Yeah there are no poor white people.
Or do you subscribe to the opinion if you are poor and white it is your own fault?

How is this your first thought after seeing that cartoon?


It is not my first thought it is what TV tropes would call fridge logic after viewing that cartoon multiple times on Fark, it occured to me that the person who did that cartoon is under the impression that all white people are higher socioeconomically than all black people.  I mean that is the point right, white guy climbs on the back of a black guy and then when the black guy asks for a hand up the white guy denies him the chance and the cartoon is labeled a concise history of black-white relations in the US.
 
2013-06-11 10:37:47 AM  

spongeboob: Yeah there are no poor white people.
Or do you subscribe to the opinion if you are poor and white it is your own fault?


Saiga410: What I took away is that all whites got to their station in life by walking all over the black man.


give me doughnuts: Caucasians/European Americans/White people/whatever you want to call them did not get where they are today by exploiting the labor of African slaves.


Isn't it telling that the first three reactions to that cartoon are more concerned with the white man's reputation than the black man's situation?

I think this is why that particular cartoon is so effective -- the innate reactions it releases. You could not have scripted this better.
 
2013-06-11 10:38:11 AM  

Saiga410: Dusk-You-n-Me: spongeboob: Yeah there are no poor white people.
Or do you subscribe to the opinion if you are poor and white it is your own fault?

How is this your first thought after seeing that cartoon?

What I took away is that all whites got to their station in life by walking all over the black man.


The United States used 200 years of slavery to become an agricultural powerhouse.  Then we freed the slaves and told them to achieve on their own, ya know, just like whites did.  That's the symbolism I take away from the cartoon.
 
2013-06-11 10:38:59 AM  
Through the war on the middle class and poor the right has created more equality via poverty, so that's nice...
 
2013-06-11 10:39:02 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: "Right now, I feel like it's reverse discrimination," said one poll respondent, a white, 69-year-old retired teacher from Rhode Island

[i.imgur.com image 478x375]


That cartoon would work better if it had different people in every frame; or at least different white people and the same black guy.

The argument you're presenting only works if you view yourself as part of some racially-delineated collective.  If you look at yourself and others as an individuals, it's a lot harder to be butthurt about something somebody who looked like my ancestors (who were in Europe minding their own business at the time) did to your ancestors.

So, keep the same black guy in that cartoon, being stubborn and refusing to change his ways or his worldview.  Then put some innocent white people up on the branch; some who were born there, others who worked hard to climb up on their own while the black guy was busy feeling sorry for himself.  Then you've got an accurate view of modern race relations in America.
 
2013-06-11 10:40:26 AM  

Headso: Through the war on the middle class and poor the right has created more equality via poverty, so that's nice...


well the world needs ditchdiggers too, Danny
 
2013-06-11 10:41:20 AM  

give me doughnuts: A percentage of the economy between 1776 and 1865 was based on slave labor, but it was a small one.


I would like to see a citation for that fact.

give me doughnuts: Caucasians/European Americans/White people/whatever you want to call them did not get where they are today by exploiting the labor of African slaves.


If the commercial exploitation of slaves did not exist, then the economic development of the United States would've developed along very different lines, and the US as it would've been would not be similar to the US we live in today.
 
2013-06-11 10:42:34 AM  

Saiga410: Dusk-You-n-Me: spongeboob: Yeah there are no poor white people.
Or do you subscribe to the opinion if you are poor and white it is your own fault?

How is this your first thought after seeing that cartoon?

What I took away is that all whites got to their station in life by walking all over the black man.


And historically, that is the case. 1965 isn't the distant past.

Lets look at the racial breakdown of first generation college students nationwide, and then they breakdown of second and third generation college students.

If you don't have a family history of education, it is more challenging to get education.
 
2013-06-11 10:43:15 AM  

BunkoSquad: Man, some people take cartoons pretty literally, huh?



It's the simplest way to dismiss its larger point without actually making a counter argument or even saying anything particularly relevant.
 
2013-06-11 10:43:33 AM  

spongeboob: Dusk-You-n-Me: spongeboob: Yeah there are no poor white people.
Or do you subscribe to the opinion if you are poor and white it is your own fault?

How is this your first thought after seeing that cartoon?

It is not my first thought it is what TV tropes would call fridge logic after viewing that cartoon multiple times on Fark, it occured to me that the person who did that cartoon is under the impression that all white people are higher socioeconomically than all black people.  I mean that is the point right, white guy climbs on the back of a black guy and then when the black guy asks for a hand up the white guy denies him the chance and the cartoon is labeled a concise history of black-white relations in the US.


It's the Cliff's Notes version of race relations in America. The unabridged version is a bit too nuanced to fit into a 6koma.
 
2013-06-11 10:44:42 AM  

RexTalionis: give me doughnuts: A percentage of the economy between 1776 and 1865 was based on slave labor, but it was a small one.

I would like to see a citation for that fact.


We had a whole civil war over it for christ sakes! What the fark are we teaching in schools these days.
 
2013-06-11 10:46:28 AM  

lockers: RexTalionis: give me doughnuts: A percentage of the economy between 1776 and 1865 was based on slave labor, but it was a small one.

I would like to see a citation for that fact.

We had a whole civil war over it for christ sakes! What the fark are we teaching in schools these days.


If we had a civil war over it, then the implication would be that it wasn't a small part of the economy, but a large enough portion of the economy that the country would be willing to split in half and slaughter millions of its young men to fight over it.
 
2013-06-11 10:47:06 AM  

lockers: RexTalionis: give me doughnuts: A percentage of the economy between 1776 and 1865 was based on slave labor, but it was a small one.

I would like to see a citation for that fact.

We had a whole civil war over it for christ sakes! What the fark are we teaching in schools these days.


Either that or your teachers really didn't teach you reading comprehension in school.
 
2013-06-11 10:47:08 AM  

lockers: RexTalionis: give me doughnuts: A percentage of the economy between 1776 and 1865 was based on slave labor, but it was a small one.

I would like to see a citation for that fact.

We had a whole civil war over it for christ sakes! What the fark are we teaching in schools these days.


No no. That wasn't about slavery. It was about states rights- to own slaves.
 
2013-06-11 10:49:36 AM  
Support for affirmative action at historic lows by Americans, many of whom may not realize that they were helped by affirmative action.  C'mon, brown people, stop behaving like teatards!
 
2013-06-11 10:50:49 AM  

what_now: lockers: RexTalionis: give me doughnuts: A percentage of the economy between 1776 and 1865 was based on slave labor, but it was a small one.

I would like to see a citation for that fact.

We had a whole civil war over it for christ sakes! What the fark are we teaching in schools these days.

No no. That wasn't about slavery. It was about states rights- to own slaves.


Conceded. The war of "Northern Aggression" wasn't about slavery, just about owning people as property.
 
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