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(Forbes)   Sharing that password to HBO GO with your family members and friends so they can watch "Game of Thrones?" Well, that's identity theft, and you're going to Federal Prison. Coming next: Lifelock for HBO GO accounts   (forbes.com ) divider line
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2013-06-11 12:20:45 PM  
Obvious tag too busy catching up on HBO programming using the Stupid tag account
 
2013-06-11 12:27:12 PM  
I don't see it so much as identity "theft" so much as identity "sharing". It's not like I'm suddenly unable to use my identity if I lend it to you for a while.
 
2013-06-11 12:28:06 PM  
huh?
 
2013-06-11 12:28:50 PM  
There are people who don't share streaming services like Netflix or HBO GO?
 
2013-06-11 12:29:43 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I don't see it so much as identity "theft" so much as identity "sharing". It's not like I'm suddenly unable to use my identity if I lend it to you for a while.


Identity piracy maybe?
 
2013-06-11 12:29:55 PM  
It's hilarious because I know a ton of people that do that, but yet look down on the idea of just downloading the show from a torrent.

Hint: you are stealing the content and can stop feeling all moral about your hboGO stealing.
 
2013-06-11 12:30:15 PM  
Well if HBO would let people BUY a subscription without a cable connection it wouldn't be a problem.
 
2013-06-11 12:30:19 PM  
Identity theft?   Bahahahaha

Maybe if HBO would get with the times and realize that more and more people no longer have cable or satellite tv programming, they wouldn't be losing so much money in all the pirated copies of GoT.

I'd gladly pay money per episode to watch GoT.  I'd gladly pay for an HBO subscription if I could watch their content online.  I will never, ever subscribe to cable tv or satellite tv, just so I can order HBO.  Sorry, not happening.
 
2013-06-11 12:31:01 PM  

genner: AverageAmericanGuy: I don't see it so much as identity "theft" so much as identity "sharing". It's not like I'm suddenly unable to use my identity if I lend it to you for a while.

Identity piracy maybe?


There have been many Dread Pirate Roberts.
 
GBB
2013-06-11 12:31:59 PM  
Fair use
 
2013-06-11 12:32:30 PM  
Um, willingly and knowingly giving your information to someone else cannot possibly construed as "theft." That's the very antithesis of the definition of theft.

Also, HBO sucks. I shouldn't have to BUY CABLE to get a goddamned streaming service. Get with the times, asshats!
 
2013-06-11 12:32:43 PM  

CrazyCracka420: Identity theft?   Bahahahaha

Maybe if HBO would get with the times and realize that more and more people no longer have cable or satellite tv programming, they wouldn't be losing so much money in all the pirated copies of GoT.


I'd gladly pay money per episode to watch GoT.  I'd gladly pay for an HBO subscription if I could watch their content online.  I will never, ever subscribe to cable tv or satellite tv, just so I can order HBO.  Sorry, not happening.


They're available on Amazon Instant if you wait till the end of the season.
 
2013-06-11 12:34:06 PM  
If Jenna Wortham just started a process that ends in my not being able to watch GoT, I'm going to cry.

/or reread the books
//again
 
2013-06-11 12:35:28 PM  
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2013-06-11 12:36:29 PM  
The hell? She didn't know that would be frowned upon? So people come up with a way to get HBO Go to friends and family that do not have HBO...everyone is happy and keeps it on the down low. Then this idiot writes an article about doing this in a national news paper? Now HBO and Congress will be making new legislature and start prosecuting little old ladies and five year olds because this dumbass couldn't keep a good thing to herself? This is the kid that is farking the hot art teacher in a crazy orgy and decides to post it, with pics, to Facebook not seeing the harm in sharing it with the world.
 
2013-06-11 12:37:08 PM  
whats the difference between that and me having friends over to watch HBO with me? they still get to see it without paying for it.
 
2013-06-11 12:37:25 PM  

neongoats: It's hilarious because I know a ton of people that do that, but yet look down on the idea of just downloading the show from a torrent.

Hint: you are stealing the content and can stop feeling all moral about your hboGO stealing.


Similar to folks who have a friend in college buy the "educational" price software and then use it for commercial purposes, while judging others for downloading the torrent version. No, I don't really care if you do either, but you might as well just pirate it completely because you're still breaking the law either way.
 
2013-06-11 12:37:55 PM  

jennyz: CrazyCracka420: Identity theft?   Bahahahaha
Maybe if HBO would get with the times and realize that more and more people no longer have cable or satellite tv programming, they wouldn't be losing so much money in all the pirated copies of GoT.
I'd gladly pay money per episode to watch GoT.  I'd gladly pay for an HBO subscription if I could watch their content online.  I will never, ever subscribe to cable tv or satellite tv, just so I can order HBO.  Sorry, not happening.
They're available on Amazon Instant if you wait till the end of the season.


And have to not use the internet for 4 or 5 months while I wait for the season to end, so I don't see spoilers?  No thanks.

/read all 5 books, still put trolls on ignore who spoil the show
 
2013-06-11 12:38:01 PM  
If someone gives you something willingly, it is NOT "theft"...as long as it belongs to them in the first place.
 
2013-06-11 12:38:34 PM  
From TFA:"It would also probably be a violation of 18 USC 1028, which generally criminalizes identity theft," says Fakhoury, pointing to the part of the statute that prohibits providing identification to others "that will be used to commit, or to aid or abet, unlawful activity."

Specifically, 18 USC 1028(a)(7), which says: "Whoever...  knowingly transfers, possesses, or uses, without lawful authority, a means of identification of another person with the intent to commit, or to aid or abet, or in connection with, any unlawful activity that constitutes a violation of Federal law, or that constitutes a felony under any applicable State or local law... shall be punished as provided in subsection (b) of this section."

It's a bit of a stretch, but theoretically possible. Less "identity theft" and more "fraudulent use of an identity to commit a crime". And that does seem to fit the facts.
 
2013-06-11 12:38:38 PM  
Is it still identity theft if my friend comes over to my house and watches their HBO subscription on my TV?
 
2013-06-11 12:39:32 PM  
Surprised Time Warner didn't give the reporter a free account, unless she panned the show or she worked for a media company that firewalled everything.
 
GBB
2013-06-11 12:41:25 PM  
There's a fine line between "illegal" and "violates terms of agreement".  Like "Rio Grande" fine.
 
2013-06-11 12:41:26 PM  
People are supposed to read the TOS?  Who flarking knew?
 
2013-06-11 12:42:34 PM  
jennyz:
They're available on Amazon Instant if you wait till the end of the season.

So it's coming to Amazon Instant in the near future?  That would please me greatly.
 
2013-06-11 12:42:56 PM  

mike_d85: Well if HBO would let people BUY a subscription without a cable connection it wouldn't be a problem.

Fark is no place for making sense, so knock it off.
 
GBB
2013-06-11 12:43:02 PM  

Theaetetus: From TFA:"It would also probably be a violation of 18 USC 1028, which generally criminalizes identity theft," says Fakhoury, pointing to the part of the statute that prohibits providing identification to others "that will be used to commit, or to aid or abet, unlawful activity."

Specifically, 18 USC 1028(a)(7), which says: "Whoever...  knowingly transfers, possesses, or uses, without lawful authority, a means of identification of another person with the intent to commit, or to aid or abet, or in connection with, any unlawful activity that constitutes a violation of Federal law, or that constitutes a felony under any applicable State or local law... shall be punished as provided in subsection (b) of this section."

It's a bit of a stretch, but theoretically possible. Less "identity theft" and more "fraudulent use of an identity to commit a crime". And that does seem to fit the facts.


Your login is not a valid form of identification.  That would be like handing a cop your house key when they ask for your ID.
 
2013-06-11 12:43:10 PM  

timujin: Is it still identity theft if my friend comes over to my house and watches their HBO subscription on my TV?


it's called HBO "go". how do they know I'm not over at their place watching my subscription?
I see a lot of trouble in their future trying to enforce this.
 
2013-06-11 12:43:13 PM  
Sending a hipster who blogs about not owning a TV to prison?

I'm ok with this.
 
2013-06-11 12:44:27 PM  

dukeblue219: neongoats: It's hilarious because I know a ton of people that do that, but yet look down on the idea of just downloading the show from a torrent.

Hint: you are stealing the content and can stop feeling all moral about your hboGO stealing.

Similar to folks who have a friend in college buy the "educational" price software and then use it for commercial purposes, while judging others for downloading the torrent version. No, I don't really care if you do either, but you might as well just pirate it completely because you're still breaking the law either way.


Yeah, heh. But it looks legal when MS rummages through their activation routines, so it looks good on paper. Hell, that's a valuable life skill I guess. How to break the law and steal, and make it look good on paper, AND somehow manage to feel like you didn't actually steal.
 
2013-06-11 12:44:32 PM  
ajgeek
Um, willingly and knowingly giving your information to someone else cannot possibly construed as "theft." That's the very antithesis of the definition of thef


I guess that's why someone in TFA only says it's "possibly" ID theft.

The main problem here is that sharing your password with someone else isn't just possibly against the TOS, but that that TOS violation also falls under what is presumably an "anti-hacking" law about gaining unauthorized access to protected systems.

If GMail, Facebook or whoever also has some clause about sharing account details, then giving a family member your password to have them check something for you (probably less common nowadays with more and more smartphones and mobile apps) could land them in jail.
 
2013-06-11 12:44:35 PM  

CrazyCracka420: Identity theft?   Bahahahaha

Maybe if HBO would get with the times and realize that more and more people no longer have cable or satellite tv programming, they wouldn't be losing so much money in all the pirated copies of GoT.

I'd gladly pay money per episode to watch GoT.  I'd gladly pay for an HBO subscription if I could watch their content online.  I will never, ever subscribe to cable tv or satellite tv, just so I can order HBO.  Sorry, not happening.


Why do you hate America? I kid, I kid. I've recently cancelled cable (after many, many years of not having it (mostly for Cartoon Network)). Not really a fan of being tethered to a certain time to watch something. Now that Netflix has Cartoon Network stuff, I may re-open my account with them. But yeah, having to subscribe to cable or satellite just for a few channels, or in your case, for GoT, no thank you. As long as there are people out there willing to pay for cable/satellite, the telecoms won't change their ways...
 
2013-06-11 12:45:08 PM  

Hobodeluxe: whats the difference between that and me having friends over to watch HBO with me? they still get to see it without paying for it.


as long as they sit huddled around your laptop, nothing
 
2013-06-11 12:45:51 PM  
Step 1: Bribe everybody in Congress
Step 2: Put everybody in jail
Step 3: Profit from slave labor
 
2013-06-11 12:45:53 PM  

Hobodeluxe: whats the difference between that and me having friends over to watch HBO with me? they still get to see it without paying for it.


Or, if I am using the same account on two devices - am I stealing from myself?
 
2013-06-11 12:46:21 PM  
Without Game of Thrones and Boardwalk Empire, just WTF is HBO good for? Repeated reruns of "Beetlejuice", Police Academy", and other old WB films from the 80's they air to keep the satellite warm between airings of Game of Thrones and Boardwalk Empire?
 
2013-06-11 12:48:24 PM  

Hobodeluxe: whats the difference between that and me having friends over to watch HBO with me? they still get to see it without paying for it.


That was my first thought.

In Canada we don't even get the option of HBO Go.  No business model is going to succeed when people have the choice to 1) pay $150 a month for premium cable when they only want one show, 2) wait a year to buy the box set and get spoiled in the meantime, or 3) download it instantly for free in HD. Come back when I have the option of paying a reasonable per-episode price, and we'll see.
 
2013-06-11 12:48:36 PM  
HBO could go after the subscribers who share their HBOGo login, but at this point they're not pushing it because a number of people who borrow someone else's HBOGo account end up subscribing to HBO themselves.
 
2013-06-11 12:49:22 PM  

skullkrusher: Hobodeluxe: whats the difference between that and me having friends over to watch HBO with me? they still get to see it without paying for it.

as long as they sit huddled around your laptop, nothing


lol'ed, would lol again.

If only there was some way to connect a computer to a tv....
 
2013-06-11 12:50:23 PM  
Stories like this make me feel like such a rube paying for cable. Get this...I also have a landline. Landline! The only person who ever calls me on it is one of 5 Spanish speakers who are trying to reach the previous owner of my number. After 3 years of "you have the wrong number" they still call several times a week.

Oh and Jon Snow gets betrayed and stabbed by his sworn brothers at the end of ADWD, Joff is poisoned by Littlefinger and the QOT, and Lysa killed Jon Aryn at Littlefinger's behest.
 
2013-06-11 12:51:07 PM  

CrazyCracka420: Identity theft?   Bahahahaha

Maybe if HBO would get with the times and realize that more and more people no longer have cable or satellite tv programming, they wouldn't be losing so much money in all the pirated copies of GoT.

I'd gladly pay money per episode to watch GoT.  I'd gladly pay for an HBO subscription if I could watch their content online.  I will never, ever subscribe to cable tv or satellite tv, just so I can order HBO.  Sorry, not happening.


This.
I don't want to have to pay $150/month just to get one show.

As for the Amazon option, great except as someone else pointed out I'm not going to wait until after the season is over to be able to enjoy it.

Until providers get with the times and provide subscription based services to access their content, potential customers will find ways around the system.  I'd gladly subscribe to an HBO internet option similar to Netflix or Hulu for their shows.  Lord knows they have enough good content for me to justify the cost.

Just don't pull that bullshiat like Hulu where certain shows can only be watched on a tablet or pc and not streamed through Xbox.  That has me on the edge of cancelling that subscription too.
 
2013-06-11 12:51:12 PM  

timujin: Is it still identity theft if my friend comes over to my house and watches their HBO subscription on my TV?


What if I let someone watch HBO on my TV? Is that stealing, too? After all, I am sharing content with someone who didn't pay for it.
 
2013-06-11 12:51:39 PM  

timujin: Is it still identity theft if my friend comes over to my house and watches their HBO subscription on my TV?


Nope. Then they want to hit you up for a public showing...
 
2013-06-11 12:51:45 PM  
That's all, a felony identity theft charge? What about a felony charge for theft of services? Also many identity thefts indirectly benefit terrorist organizations. Terrorists commit murder. Using HBO GO should invoke the three strikes law. It is felony identity theft, felony theft of services, and felony aiding and abetting terrorism and murder.

That's three strikes right there, you're out. Is it really worth spending life in prison and assisting murderers and terrorists instead of merely paying to watch Veep, Girls, and HBO's other fairly priced and highly entertaining series? I think not.
 
2013-06-11 12:51:53 PM  

Charlie Chingas: CrazyCracka420: Identity theft?   Bahahahaha

Maybe if HBO would get with the times and realize that more and more people no longer have cable or satellite tv programming, they wouldn't be losing so much money in all the pirated copies of GoT.

I'd gladly pay money per episode to watch GoT.  I'd gladly pay for an HBO subscription if I could watch their content online.  I will never, ever subscribe to cable tv or satellite tv, just so I can order HBO.  Sorry, not happening.

Why do you hate America? I kid, I kid. I've recently cancelled cable (after many, many years of not having it (mostly for Cartoon Network)). Not really a fan of being tethered to a certain time to watch something. Now that Netflix has Cartoon Network stuff, I may re-open my account with them. But yeah, having to subscribe to cable or satellite just for a few channels, or in your case, for GoT, no thank you. As long as there are people out there willing to pay for cable/satellite, the telecoms won't change their ways...


I did the same a couple of years ago. The thing is, what I really miss about the "having cable tv" experience is the passivity of it. Turn on, tune out. Nowadays I have to actually plan out what I need to watch, so I can stream it, or put it on a playlist. Whatever.

Which is fine, and certainly helps me to watch less tv by targeting my watching. But I still feel like something almost intangible is lost by the need to actively decide.
 
2013-06-11 12:51:54 PM  
So the government learned absolutly nothing from the Aaron Schwartz Fiasco.
 
2013-06-11 12:53:45 PM  

CrazyCracka420: skullkrusher: Hobodeluxe: whats the difference between that and me having friends over to watch HBO with me? they still get to see it without paying for it.

as long as they sit huddled around your laptop, nothing

lol'ed, would lol again.

If only there was some way to connect a computer to a tv....


yes, yes, i was going for effect.
 
2013-06-11 12:53:57 PM  
"Fraudulently obtaining services via another's account." .Simple theft.
Not quite identity theft in the normal term. You could never compare it to using someones else's medical insurance to get medical help for yourself in a walkin clinic.


/Terms of use: do not share or allow others to see and use your account login information outside of the residence that you are using the service at.
//Wait. When did I give the corporate scum my address?
///How many streams limits at how many different IP's within a small amount of time is the issue for HomoBoxOffice to fix.
 
2013-06-11 12:54:10 PM  
 That's why I just download it.
 
2013-06-11 12:54:10 PM  
A Lannister always remembers his passwords.
 
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