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2013-06-11 02:20:45 AM
link fail, page fail, site fail.
 
2013-06-11 06:52:32 AM
What exactly is 'Illegal' about the NSA program?
 
2013-06-11 07:05:53 AM

Dinki: What exactly is 'Illegal' about the NSA program?


"Nothing", thanks to the Patriot Act. But if we had a SCOTUS that actually cared about the Constitution, the Patriot Act would have been thrown out years ago for various violations of  the Constitution.
 
2013-06-11 07:26:54 AM
Let's go back to 2007 and see that as a senator he voted to gut FISA.
 
2013-06-11 07:28:07 AM

MmmmBacon: Dinki: What exactly is 'Illegal' about the NSA program?

"Nothing", thanks to the Patriot Act. But if we had a SCOTUS that actually cared about the Constitution, the Patriot Act would have been thrown out years ago for various violations of  the Constitution.


With a few more Alitos on the bench, we could gut the Constitution in its entirety.
 
2013-06-11 07:45:28 AM

Marcus Aurelius: MmmmBacon: Dinki: What exactly is 'Illegal' about the NSA program?

"Nothing", thanks to the Patriot Act.


Why has Faux News forsaken their beloved Patriot Act?  It's like they never supported it.
 
2013-06-11 07:50:03 AM
also remember a couple months back when Obama floated the idea that the Patriot act and all of the added powers that it gave the president should be repealed?  And how the right said he was crazy?

Now look, Obama's got the right in such a tizzy that they my repeal the act themselves.   Maybe this was Obama's plan all along.
 
2013-06-11 11:53:51 AM

MmmmBacon: But if we had a SCOTUS that actually cared about the Constitution, the Patriot Act would have been thrown out years ago for various violations of  the Constitution.


A government doesn't give up a power once it gets it, no matter who is in charge. I blame Bush for starting it and disappointed but not surprised at Obama for not ending it.
 
2013-06-11 12:02:39 PM

Mugato: MmmmBacon: But if we had a SCOTUS that actually cared about the Constitution, the Patriot Act would have been thrown out years ago for various violations of  the Constitution.

A government doesn't give up a power once it gets it, no matter who is in charge. I blame Bush for starting it and disappointed but not surprised at Obama for not ending it.


Part of the problem is that traditionally, the executive branch has to fight for and use each power it has.
 
2013-06-11 12:10:27 PM
The only people really spazzing about this are those who's existence relies heavily on religion and superstition. Those easily led by fear and controversy.

And have a shortcut link to YouTube on their desktop.
 
2013-06-11 12:12:02 PM
The PRISM isn't illegal, and I'm not even sure it's "wiretapping", but otherwise that is a good point.

Probably better to nail him on the "national security letters... spying on Americans that aren't suspected of committing a crime" quote.
Though they're supposedly not "using" the data for citizens, they're collecting data on everyone, so I think there's an argument to be made there.

//didn't listen to the screaming part of the video
 
2013-06-11 12:24:13 PM

Dinki: What exactly is 'Illegal' about the NSA program?


nothing
the program is 100% legal and has not been determining to be unconstitutional. yet.
the ACLU is refiling their case because they now have standing.
everyone with a phone or email now has standing to sue the federal government

WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR????
 
2013-06-11 12:31:50 PM

bongmiester: Why has Faux News forsaken their beloved Patriot Act? It's like they never supported it.


I don't watch Fox News, but it should be an interesting dance that they (and their Republicans) do here.

They're calling for Snowden to be extradited.
They've been briefed on the PRISM program, so they're either complicit or negligent.
But of course, there is some controversy, some negative coverage of Obama, so they will be compelled to press it, one way or another.
Epic amounts of concern trolling predicted.
 
2013-06-11 12:37:00 PM
1. Law is passed.
2. President sworn in to uphold law.
3. Congress sworn in to prevent President from doing anything reform minded
4. President upholds law.
5. Everybody angry.

This is what happens when you meet a stranger in the Alps. Nothing constructive gets done and everyone get entrenched. This is why compromise for BOTH parties is so important.
 
2013-06-11 12:39:25 PM
What they are doing is NOT wiretapping.

The government is not recording or listening in on the content of the conversations.

/at least they say they aren't
 
2013-06-11 12:40:59 PM
As has been mentioned numerous times, no laws were broken, so technically Obama has not broken any of his promises. However, in the words of the Daily Show last night: "Nobody is saying you've broken any laws. What we're saying is it's kind of weird you didn't have to."
 
2013-06-11 12:46:19 PM
Many of those involved with the 08 crash didnt break any laws and yet that does not stop others from screaming "arrest them!"

Just because it is legal does not mean it isnt wrong.
 
2013-06-11 12:47:18 PM

vernonFL: What they are doing is NOT wiretapping.

The government is not recording or listening in on the content of the conversations.

/at least they say they aren't


Well of course they aren't.  They have computers doing that and breaking down conversations to look for key words.  Then when they find them, they listen to the conversation.
 
2013-06-11 12:48:11 PM

vernonFL: What they are doing is NOT wiretapping.

The government is not recording or listening in on the content of the conversations.

/at least they say they aren't


The social networking data is more than enough information.
Take the boston brother bombers.
They take all the known phones/emails for both of them.
Examine all the back data for all known contacts, and contacts of contacts, etc.
Oh look, here is where he learned to build bombs. TADA

The science is "easy" and AWESOME.
shudder
 
2013-06-11 01:00:25 PM
You mean the illegal wiretapping that didn't even happen until Obama was Pesident?
 
2013-06-11 01:09:27 PM
If you've ever thrown your telephone bill in the trash and put it out on the curb, it is perfectly legal for *anyone* to go through it and get the exact same information the NSA has a blanket warrant to collect.
 
2013-06-11 01:23:28 PM
That's funny ...watching TYT in another tab...

Cenk is the man...
 
2013-06-11 01:25:46 PM

Nadie_AZ: 1. Law is passed.
2. President sworn in to uphold law.
3. Congress sworn in to prevent President from doing anything reform minded
4. President upholds law.
5. Everybody angry.

This is what happens when you meet a stranger in the Alps. Nothing constructive gets done and everyone get entrenched. This is why compromise for BOTH parties is so important.


I don't think that could have been more partisan. Bravo.
 
2013-06-11 01:27:16 PM

vernonFL: If you've ever thrown your telephone bill in the trash and put it out on the curb, it is perfectly legal for *anyone* to go through it and get the exact same information the NSA has a blanket warrant to collect.


In a lot of jurisdictions going through garbage is illegal.
 
2013-06-11 01:28:46 PM

cman: Many of those involved with the 08 crash didnt break any laws and yet that does not stop others from screaming "arrest them!"

Just because it is legal does not mean it isnt wrong.


And just because something isn't "right" doesn't mean you get to arrest them.  Complain, yes, but don't be surprised if your calls for them being arrested are brushed off.

Call for changes in the laws, at the level of specifics.  General "everyone must act ethically" laws are BS.
 
2013-06-11 01:29:26 PM
Huh, a politician saying things which appeal to the masses in order to get elected, but having no actual desire to follow through.

why I never...
 
2013-06-11 01:30:31 PM

max_pooper: In a lot of jurisdictions going through garbage is illegal.


Where I live, as long as its on the curb (to be picked up), on a public street, its okay for the cops or anyone else to go through it - no warrant needed.

If its on your property, then its NOT okay for the cops or anyone else to go through without any kind of warrant or anything.
 
2013-06-11 01:30:36 PM

MadHatter500: General "everyone must act ethically" laws are BS


General "everyone is considered under suspicion" laws are BS.
 
2013-06-11 01:30:42 PM
Someday, people will figure out that a candidate's words rarely match his actions once he is elected.

Until then, people will still be shocked when their candidate does essentially the opposite of what he campaigned on.


/meh
 
2013-06-11 01:33:25 PM

GanjSmokr: Someday, people will figure out that a candidate's words rarely match his actions once he is elected.

Until then, people will still be shocked when their candidate does essentially the opposite of what he campaigned on.


/meh


Someday, people will be shocked to learn that legally acquiring a warrant to gather telecom data is different from illegally recording a telephone call without a warrant.
 
2013-06-11 01:35:03 PM
People seem to forget that the biggest Democratic complaint about Bush's wiretapping program is that he couldn't even be bothered to brief Congress on it or obtain appropriate FISA court oversight. This program is not illegal. You can debate whether or not the improvement in security is worth the infringement of privacy, but it's not illegal.
 
2013-06-11 01:35:18 PM

MmmmBacon: Dinki: What exactly is 'Illegal' about the NSA program?

"Nothing", thanks to the Patriot Act. But if we had a SCOTUS that actually cared about the Constitution, the Patriot Act would have been thrown out years ago for various violations of  the Constitution.


Has anyone actually challenged the Patriot Act in front of the Surpemes?
 
2013-06-11 01:35:19 PM

max_pooper: GanjSmokr: Someday, people will figure out that a candidate's words rarely match his actions once he is elected.

Until then, people will still be shocked when their candidate does essentially the opposite of what he campaigned on.


/meh

Someday, people will be shocked to learn that legally acquiring a warrant to gather telecom data is different from illegally recording a telephone call without a warrant.


So... politicians don't lie their asses off to get elected?  Thanks for the info!
 
2013-06-11 01:37:45 PM
Subby doesn't understand the meaning of the words "illegal" or "wiretap," does he? Because the recent NSA program under Obama was neither.
 
2013-06-11 01:37:58 PM

Nadie_AZ: This is what happens when you meet a stranger in the Alps. Nothing constructive gets done and everyone get entrenched. This is why compromise for BOTH parties is so important.


The PATRIOT Act is the one area where Dems and Repubs are in agreement.
 
2013-06-11 01:38:13 PM
Aw for fark's sake.  This isn't wiretapping.  This is information Google and your phone company already have.  Are you worried that the big bag gubbermint has violated the sacred relationship between you and Sprint?
 
2013-06-11 01:38:36 PM

Nadie_AZ: 2. President sworn in to uphold law.


What?

"Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:- "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
 
2013-06-11 01:39:46 PM

vernonFL: What they are doing is NOT wiretapping.

The government is not recording or listening in on the content of the conversations.

/at least they say they aren't


From 2008

Despite pledges by President George W. Bush and American intelligence officials to the contrary, hundreds of US citizens overseas have been eavesdropped on as they called friends and family back home, according to two former military intercept operators who worked at the giant National Security Agency (NSA) center in Fort Gordon, Georgia.

Intercept operators allege the NSA is listening to citizens' phone calls. "These were just really everyday, average, ordinary Americans who happened to be in the Middle East, in our area of intercept and happened to be making these phone calls on satellite phones," said Adrienne Kinne, a 31-year old US Army Reserves Arab linguist assigned to a special military program at the NSA's Back Hall at Fort Gordon from November 2001 to 2003.
 
2013-06-11 01:40:21 PM

vernonFL: If you've ever thrown your telephone bill in the trash and put it out on the curb, it is perfectly legal for *anyone* to go through it and get the exact same information the NSA has a blanket warrant to collect.


I shred my utility bills along with other important documents. Does that mean the NSA can't spy on me?
 
2013-06-11 01:42:30 PM
If my phone sex calls are ever leaked, I'll jump off a bridge
 
2013-06-11 01:43:05 PM

karmaceutical: Are you worried that the big bag gubbermint has violated the sacred relationship between you and Sprint?


No.  The government violated the relationship between me and the government guaranteed by the 4th amendment.
 
2013-06-11 01:44:00 PM

GanjSmokr: max_pooper: GanjSmokr: Someday, people will figure out that a candidate's words rarely match his actions once he is elected.

Until then, people will still be shocked when their candidate does essentially the opposite of what he campaigned on.


/meh

Someday, people will be shocked to learn that legally acquiring a warrant to gather telecom data is different from illegally recording a telephone call without a warrant.

So... politicians don't lie their asses off to get elected?  Thanks for the info!


No, but your example of Obama being a "politician lying their ass to get elected" in this instance does not appear to have been lying.
 
2013-06-11 01:45:15 PM

Muta: No. The government violated the relationship between me and the government guaranteed by the 4th amendment.


Well the Supreme Court disagrees with your interpretation of the 4th, and they have since before most Farkers were born.
 
2013-06-11 01:47:17 PM

Muta: karmaceutical: Are you worried that the big bag gubbermint has violated the sacred relationship between you and Sprint?

No.  The government violated the relationship between me and the government guaranteed by the 4th amendment.


You would be wrong.
 
2013-06-11 01:49:04 PM

max_pooper: GanjSmokr: max_pooper: GanjSmokr: Someday, people will figure out that a candidate's words rarely match his actions once he is elected.

Until then, people will still be shocked when their candidate does essentially the opposite of what he campaigned on.


/meh

Someday, people will be shocked to learn that legally acquiring a warrant to gather telecom data is different from illegally recording a telephone call without a warrant.

So... politicians don't lie their asses off to get elected?  Thanks for the info!

No, but your example of Obama being a "politician lying their ass to get elected" in this instance does not appear to have been lying.


I have not specified that I was referring to a specific person or party.

They are all liars AFAIC.
 
2013-06-11 01:49:27 PM
Doubleplusungood! Messiah Obama is always correct! Messiah Obama has never contradicted himself! Unthought! Unthought!
 
2013-06-11 01:52:14 PM

Dinki: What exactly is 'Illegal' about the NSA program?


The secrecy is to protect against the voters, not against the terrorists. *That* is what I have a problem with.
 
2013-06-11 01:52:22 PM
I remember back when we invaded Iraq partly based on all of George W's lies there were a number of farkers always pointing out how he technically wasn't lying if you read the actual verbiage. Similar situation going on here.
 
2013-06-11 01:52:57 PM
Not illegal.  Not right either.  Reminder: bush did same thing without warrants.  Doesn't make this ok.
 
2013-06-11 01:54:06 PM

Muta: karmaceutical: Are you worried that the big bag gubbermint has violated the sacred relationship between you and Sprint?

No.  The government violated the relationship between me and the government guaranteed by the 4th amendment.


You mean the government violated the 4th amendment that requires a court issued warrant before conducting a search by acquiring a court issued warrant before conducting a search? I can totally see your outrage.
 
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