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(The Atlantic)   Star Trek accurately predicted cell phones and tablet computers. Look what else it got right   (theatlantic.com) divider line 125
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2013-06-10 11:44:35 PM
Well, to be fair Deep Space Nine was the only Star Trek series that got everything right.
 
2013-06-11 12:06:17 AM
Tribbles?

No. Not tribbles.
 
2013-06-11 12:11:11 AM
I think the Founders would approve.
 
2013-06-11 12:11:38 AM
So I wasn't the only one who thought Section 31, Obsedian Order, Tal Shiar when this NSA thing came out last week?
 
2013-06-11 12:14:05 AM
It's only 20 years ago when it premiered. Not exactly a massive leap into the future.
 
2013-06-11 12:14:32 AM
...and now I see Obama dictating a personal log, "In the Pale Moonlight"-style.
 
2013-06-11 12:15:34 AM
Ummmm, predicting things that are already happening isn't that awesome a talent.  The NSA has been doing their shifty thing since 1940-something.  Deep Space 9 was on what, like 15-20 years ago?

Not to mention that other countries than the US have had similar serivces since forever.
 
2013-06-11 12:15:44 AM
Star Trek accurately predicted cell phones and tablet computers. Look what else it got right

Hot chicks in mini skirts?
i661.photobucket.com
 
2013-06-11 12:16:09 AM
As a lifelong Trekkie who saw most of TNG in its original run, went to conventions and met Wil Wheaton when I was a teenager, and used to speak a little Klingon...shut the flying fark up.

Star Trek in general, and Into Darkness in particular, already has plenty of awkward, hamfisted political commentary in it.  No need to cram even more in there ex post facto.
 
2013-06-11 12:16:43 AM

Sudlow: It's only 20 years ago when it premiered. Not exactly a massive leap into the future.


Well, I feel old now.
 
2013-06-11 12:16:47 AM

Notabunny: Tribbles?

No. Not tribbles.


Damn.  You beat me.
 
2013-06-11 12:17:09 AM
Section 31 was badass, I wish they did more with it.
 
2013-06-11 12:17:37 AM
Garek: They say, Doctor, that no one can sit down to dinner on Cardassia Prime without the Obsedian Order cataloging the contents of each course.

Bashir: What if you eat something they don't approve of?

Garek:  People have been known to vanish for less.
 
2013-06-11 12:18:41 AM
Übermensch in 1997.
 
2013-06-11 12:19:16 AM
They got the FARK tab wrong, though.

/srsly - "politics" tab????
 
2013-06-11 12:19:17 AM

Bonzo_1116: Ummmm, predicting things that are already happening isn't that awesome a talent.  The NSA has been doing their shifty thing since 1940-something.  Deep Space 9 was on what, like 15-20 years ago?


I think it's the difference in technology they're talking about. Never before could they spy on us on such a wide scale and so easily.
 
2013-06-11 12:19:32 AM
I'm definitely going to have to break out some DS9 DVDs tonight.
 
2013-06-11 12:22:05 AM
Hai guise
 
2013-06-11 12:23:27 AM
images4.wikia.nocookie.net

URL fail.
 
2013-06-11 12:23:57 AM

Mugato: Bonzo_1116: Ummmm, predicting things that are already happening isn't that awesome a talent.  The NSA has been doing their shifty thing since 1940-something.  Deep Space 9 was on what, like 15-20 years ago?

I think it's the difference in technology they're talking about. Never before could they spy on us on such a wide scale and so easily.


The Stasi did pretty good with high quality microphones and lots and lots of snitches.
 
2013-06-11 12:27:13 AM

Mugato: Bonzo_1116: Ummmm, predicting things that are already happening isn't that awesome a talent.  The NSA has been doing their shifty thing since 1940-something.  Deep Space 9 was on what, like 15-20 years ago?

I think it's the difference in technology they're talking about. Never before could they spy on us on such a wide scale and so easily.


DS9 was filmed during the Clinton years when clandestine operations were at an all time high.

Although admittedly casting William Sadler as Sloan was a nod to the 1960s cloak and dagger CIA type operations.
 
2013-06-11 12:27:26 AM
The English Major: Well, to be fair Deep Space Nine was the only Star Trek series that got everything right.

Because they "borrowed" it all from Babylon 5.

Now don't get me wrong, I like DS9, but it's no Babylon 5. And Section 31 is no Psi Corps

And if you think otherwise,

media.screened.com

Talk to the hand
 
2013-06-11 12:27:54 AM

Bonzo_1116: Mugato: Bonzo_1116: Ummmm, predicting things that are already happening isn't that awesome a talent.  The NSA has been doing their shifty thing since 1940-something.  Deep Space 9 was on what, like 15-20 years ago?

I think it's the difference in technology they're talking about. Never before could they spy on us on such a wide scale and so easily.

The Stasi did pretty good with high quality microphones and lots and lots of snitches.


Yeah but we're talking about cell phones, GPS, email, search engines, satellites....ect. And they're only going to get more efficient at it.
 
2013-06-11 12:29:23 AM
Meanwhile, Star Wars accurately predicted lighsab......


..........um, hyperd no not that either.


hmmmmmmmm....................
 
2013-06-11 12:29:23 AM

Bonzo_1116: Mugato: Bonzo_1116: Ummmm, predicting things that are already happening isn't that awesome a talent.  The NSA has been doing their shifty thing since 1940-something.  Deep Space 9 was on what, like 15-20 years ago?

I think it's the difference in technology they're talking about. Never before could they spy on us on such a wide scale and so easily.

The Stasi did pretty good with high quality microphones and lots and lots of snitches.


Snitches get stitches, but the spies get allies.
 
2013-06-11 12:30:22 AM

Mugato: Bonzo_1116: Mugato: Bonzo_1116: Ummmm, predicting things that are already happening isn't that awesome a talent.  The NSA has been doing their shifty thing since 1940-something.  Deep Space 9 was on what, like 15-20 years ago?

I think it's the difference in technology they're talking about. Never before could they spy on us on such a wide scale and so easily.

The Stasi did pretty good with high quality microphones and lots and lots of snitches.

Yeah but we're talking about cell phones, GPS, email, search engines, satellites....ect. And they're only going to get more efficient at it.


If something is inevitable, should it be acceptable?

If so, I can stop worrying.
 
2013-06-11 12:32:10 AM

sendtodave: Yeah but we're talking about cell phones, GPS, email, search engines, satellites....ect. And they're only going to get more efficient at it.

If something is inevitable, should it be acceptable?


I think the correct answer would be, "what are you going to do about it?".
 
2013-06-11 12:32:46 AM

Sudlow: It's only 20 years ago when it premiered. Not exactly a massive leap into the future.


The original series premiered 47 years ago. The first movie (Star Trek: The Motion Picture) came out 34 years ago. The Next Generation came out almost 26 years ago. I agree that many of the ideas throughout the franchises were already in consideration when Star Trek was running, but it is older than 20 years.
 
2013-06-11 12:33:17 AM
Star Trek predicted nothing.

It took kernels of ideas already out there and exposed them to unwashed masses of nerds who in turn used the ideas as inspirational blueprints of what would be cool.
 
2013-06-11 12:33:46 AM

Great Janitor: So I wasn't the only one who thought Section 31, Obsedian Order, Tal Shiar when this NSA thing came out last week?


I was thinking more in terms of COINTELPRO.  But whatever floats your boat.
 
2013-06-11 12:33:56 AM

Mugato: sendtodave: Yeah but we're talking about cell phones, GPS, email, search engines, satellites....ect. And they're only going to get more efficient at it.

If something is inevitable, should it be acceptable?

I think the correct answer would be, "what are you going to do about it?".


Everything I can't.
 
2013-06-11 12:34:34 AM

Mugato: Bonzo_1116: Mugato: Bonzo_1116: Ummmm, predicting things that are already happening isn't that awesome a talent.  The NSA has been doing their shifty thing since 1940-something.  Deep Space 9 was on what, like 15-20 years ago?

I think it's the difference in technology they're talking about. Never before could they spy on us on such a wide scale and so easily.

The Stasi did pretty good with high quality microphones and lots and lots of snitches.

Yeah but we're talking about cell phones, GPS, email, search engines, satellites....ect. And they're only going to get more efficient at it.


I find the snitches to be more horrifying than the wiretapping/e-snooping.  That's what made the Stasi and the other services in the Eastern Bloc so scary, you had no idea if your friend or neighbor was one of them, or was on the verge of turning you in for something you said privately face to face.  shiat like that can make a whole nation paranoid.
 
2013-06-11 12:35:29 AM

lordargent: And if you think otherwise


i172.photobucket.com

Shiat...why can't I kill [greentext]lordargent[/greentext]??
 
2013-06-11 12:38:14 AM

lordargent: The English Major: Well, to be fair Deep Space Nine was the only Star Trek series that got everything right.

Because they "borrowed" it all from Babylon 5.

Now don't get me wrong, I like DS9, but it's no Babylon 5. And Section 31 is no Psi Corps

And if you think otherwise,

[media.screened.com image 765x482]

Talk to the hand


Yeah, thank you. DS9 was more Babylon 5 than Star Trek. It never felt like Sisko et al were ever in the same Starfleet that Picard and Riker were in. Totally different tone, totally different approach to handling situations and problems. It wasn't bad, just very unlike Star Trek. Voyager was bad, but you could see most of the crew learning the same officer training that the TNG crew did. They were just bad at it.
 
2013-06-11 12:41:39 AM
But if we become part of the Borg, then NSA-style stuff doesn't matter.
 
2013-06-11 12:41:41 AM

TV's Vinnie: Meanwhile, Star Wars accurately predicted lighsab......


..........um, hyperd no not that either.


hmmmmmmmm....................


Star Wars can't predict anything. It took place a long, long time ago.
 
2013-06-11 12:42:55 AM
Trocadero: Voyager was bad, but you could see most of the crew learning the same officer training that the TNG crew did. They were just bad at it.

Well a chunk of the crew were Maquis, and I assume most (if not all) of their Starfleet training goes out the window.
 
2013-06-11 12:45:31 AM

Trocadero: lordargent: The English Major: Well, to be fair Deep Space Nine was the only Star Trek series that got everything right.

Because they "borrowed" it all from Babylon 5.

Now don't get me wrong, I like DS9, but it's no Babylon 5. And Section 31 is no Psi Corps

And if you think otherwise,

[media.screened.com image 765x482]

Talk to the hand

Yeah, thank you. DS9 was more Babylon 5 than Star Trek. It never felt like Sisko et al were ever in the same Starfleet that Picard and Riker were in. Totally different tone, totally different approach to handling situations and problems. It wasn't bad, just very unlike Star Trek. Voyager was bad, but you could see most of the crew learning the same officer training that the TNG crew did. They were just bad at it.


images4.wikia.nocookie.net

Oh here we go. The big debate over whether it took the Makers 9 days or 10 days to make the spheres.
 
2013-06-11 12:46:21 AM

Great Janitor: So I wasn't the only one who thought Section 31, Obsedian Order, Tal Shiar when this NSA thing came out last week?


As much is I've always loved DS9 and that plot-line, my mind went straight to "Enemy of the State" and hasn't budged much since.  It's not a bad comparison though... Especially remembering how Bashir lured Sloan to the station by sending the message to Starfleet Medical.
 
2013-06-11 12:47:33 AM

Notabunny: Tribbles?

No. Not tribbles.


I was hoping for transporters : (
 
2013-06-11 12:48:01 AM
There are caveats, but it's not a stretch to say now that we're living DS9, or some form of it.

There are caveats, but it's not a stretch to say I bone supermodels on the daily, or some form of it.
 
2013-06-11 12:52:46 AM

recoil47: [images4.wikia.nocookie.net image 300x178]

URL fail.


Wasn't it about 10 years ago when people who questioned the President were accused of being traitors?
 
2013-06-11 12:53:38 AM
Dipshiat author should have left the last paragraph off and maintained 100%, oh well..
 
2013-06-11 12:56:18 AM
Given how attached people are to their portable personal computers nowadays, the people in Star Trek should have all had personal tricorder thingys with them at all times with their heads buried in them.

The Section 31 subplot in DS9 happened in 1998. I can't remember if the beginning of our current surveillance state was being talked about at the time. The only thing I remember from that time was the idiotic Lewinski thing.

At least from the treatment of Section 31 in DS9, I thought that they were involved in way more Federation business than revealed and they were also quite a bit more advanced than the Federation was.
 
2013-06-11 01:01:24 AM

Befuddled: At least from the treatment of Section 31 in DS9, I thought that they were involved in way more Federation business than revealed and they were also quite a bit more advanced than the Federation was.


I do know that Sloan could just show up in Bashir's quarters without sounding an alarm. It didn't look like he used a regular transporter either. They're probably like the Men in Black, they have access to tech everyone else either can't or aren't allowed to steal.
 
2013-06-11 01:02:48 AM
The Federation, seen from within as a paradise of peace and enlightenment, lived in a very rough neighborhood. In order to survive the threats it faced, it had to do all of the things a government as we know it must do: spy on its neighbors, sabotage them, make war on them. To maintain the utopian facade those activities had to stay mostly hidden, hence Section 31.

Here in the real world, I don't think we're under any serious illusions of utopia, are we? Or perhaps we are.
 
2013-06-11 01:03:49 AM

Befuddled: Given how attached people are to their portable personal computers nowadays, the people in Star Trek should have all had personal tricorder thingys with them at all times with their heads buried in them.

The Section 31 subplot in DS9 happened in 1998. I can't remember if the beginning of our current surveillance state was being talked about at the time. The only thing I remember from that time was the idiotic Lewinski thing.

At least from the treatment of Section 31 in DS9, I thought that they were involved in way more Federation business than revealed and they were also quite a bit more advanced than the Federation was.


Well, we saw the military issue tricorder and communicator.  If Trek was on tv today we might hear the captain having apps on his tricoder and communicator.  An away team returns to the ship, realized an officer left behind his communicator on the pre-warp planet, at the end of the episode the planet's most popular game is Angry Birds.
 
2013-06-11 01:06:39 AM

FuturePastNow: Here in the real world, I don't think we're under any serious illusions of utopia, are we? Or perhaps we are.


I think some people still refuse to believe we do some of the things we do and that we're morally superior to other countries. This is especially true if "their guy" is in office.
 
2013-06-11 01:08:22 AM

IlGreven: ...and now I see Obama dictating a personal log, "In the Pale Moonlight"-style.


You inspired me...

i.imgur.com
... and I can live with it...


/quick & dirty, could've done a better job
 
2013-06-11 01:16:43 AM

TV's Vinnie: Meanwhile, Star Wars accurately predicted lighsab......


..........um, hyperd no not that either.


hmmmmmmmm....................


I know, stop the presses. But I literally laughed out loud... thanks for that. :D
 
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