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(Jalopnik)   Let's ride along with wannabe Speed Racer as he learns a valuable lesson about understeer -- and drives his BMW right off the edge of a cliff   (jalopnik.com) divider line 226
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2013-06-11 11:52:40 AM  

gfid: Lsherm: Stability control damn near killed me or saved me, I still can't decide which.  I was coming around a tight cloverleaf to get on US 50 when it was raining and the road was banked all wrong.  I was in an Infiniti G35x AWD and going the suggested 35 mph around the exit because it was raining so hard.

That 35 mph that was "suggested" is what to do when conditions are good.  If it's raining hard you should perhaps go a bit slower.

Thanks for putting everyone else in danger.  I don't care if you kill yourself, but if you're on a public road you should learn to drive so you don't hurt anyone else.


Dude, I wasn't driving like an asshole, which is what you're being right now.  If there wasn't a kiddie pool of water at the bottom of the ramp, which I couldn't see until I was on it, I was well within the limits of normal daily driving.  There was a section of guardrail already dented from what I assume was someone else running into the same problem.
 
2013-06-11 12:52:09 PM  

The Muthaship: Koodz: My MR2 (Toyota Fiero) has awesome front end grip but definitely over steers.

So much cooler than a Fiero.


Cheap imitation. Not cooler.
 
2013-06-11 12:52:49 PM  

bopis: The Muthaship: Koodz: My MR2 (Toyota Fiero) has awesome front end grip but definitely over steers.

So much cooler than a Fiero.

Cheap imitation. Not cooler.


Cheap imitation of a cheap imitation?

We're through the looking glass, people.
 
2013-06-11 02:25:59 PM  

Cletus from Canuckistan: Apexing on a closed course is fine. Apexing on a twisty two-lane public road is is considered an "improper lane change" at best, more likely "street racing" or "reckless driving".
/"criminal negligence or "vehicular manslaughter" may also apply, should one meet an oncoming car


You can add "reckless endangerment" to the list of criminal charges, which has the added advantage of being a Felony in most states.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-06-11 02:37:02 PM  
In my state that would be reckless driving, a misdemeanor. The guideline sentence for a first offense is probation. The maximum is two years in jail. (We don't follow the 1 year = felony rule.) If he killed somebody he could get misdemeanor or felony charges. In most cases only drunks face felony charges, but if a street race kills a pretty girl or somebody fleeing police takes out an innocent bystander the prosecutor will indict for manslaughter.
 
2013-06-11 03:37:38 PM  
In a fast German car....I'm amazed that I survived. An airbag saved my life....
 
2013-06-11 04:06:22 PM  

lordargent: got pulled over on the first day


If it's so straight and flat that you feel like you can just fly along like a maniac, how did you not see the cop?
 
2013-06-11 05:28:14 PM  

MrSteve007: While it wasn't caught on video, a few months ago I was touring in the Mediterranean; a couple of Germans were riding their motorcycles


that brain bucket looks pretty gory
 
2013-06-11 05:29:30 PM  
It's hard to see cops through red shift.
 
2013-06-11 05:32:28 PM  

Fubegra: [fubegra.net image 409x389]


Came for this, leaving satisfied.
 
2013-06-11 06:02:19 PM  

skozlaw: lordargent: got pulled over on the first day

If it's so straight and flat that you feel like you can just fly along like a maniac, how did you not see the cop?


Going to repeat a CSB I posted long ago:

Mid 80's, my best buddy and I were driving from San Diego to Yuma to see the Padres in spring training, I had just put a new engine in my '73 Celica GT, I wanted to show it off, we came out of the mountains and hit the desert floor...7AM, nobody was there, petal to the metal.

After about 10 minutes, we saw a bridge off in the distance...then there was a dot under the bridge...I backed off hard, but it was too late. The dot was a CHP standing in the middle of the road, waving us over with a towel. Oh shiat.

I pull over, roll down the window, and in my most innocent voice, say: "Is there a problem, sir?"

"You're GODDAMN RIGHT there's a problem! Air radar clocked you at 112!"

"Oh...um...am I going to jail?"

He took my paperwork. "We'll see, sit tight." 70 or over was an automatic reckless driving conviction back then.

My license came up clean, and he headed back to us...we were both wearing Padres caps.

"You guys going to Yuma?"

(in unison) "Yes, sir"

"Tell ya what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna write you up for 69, but you have to drive 60 or less all the way to Yuma. Make NO mistake, I'm radioing ahead, and if you get caught you are GOING. TO. JAIL. Got me?"

"Yes, sir. Thank you sir."

He handed me the ticket. "Have a good weekend. Go Padres."

I drove 55 the rest of the way.
 
2013-06-11 06:29:02 PM  

studebaker hoch: It's hard to see cops through red shift.


I thought you'd want to see them when you're traveling towards them and they're blue shifted. If they're red shifted you're driving away.
 
2013-06-11 06:36:22 PM  

lohphat: Benjimin_Dover: Here's a tip: Stop crossing double yellows

Spoken by somebody who doesn't understand how to hit the apex of a curve ON A RACE TRACK.

The public roads aren't a private track to "hit the apex of a curve".


I agree, except the writer of the article wasn't talking about obeying the law.  He was talking about driving ability and the capabilities of the car.
 
2013-06-11 06:37:25 PM  

lordargent: Benjimin_Dover: Spoken by somebody who doesn't understand how to hit the apex of a curve.

On a second rewatch, he'shiatting the apex of jack and shiat and is just wavering around on the road even in fairly straight sections.

Erix: So why did his side airbag go off before he impacted anything?

On a second rewatch, he shears a signpost in the front, and his front driver side tire hits a raised portion of rocks.


Ya.  The driver is lacks any skill.
 
2013-06-11 06:38:24 PM  

Cletus from Canuckistan: Benjimin_Dover: Spoken by somebody who doesn't understand how to hit the apex of a curve.

Written by someone who doesn't understand what a double yellow means, apparently. It means NOT YOUR FARKING SIDE OF THE ROAD, DUMBASS. often that double yellow signifies a blind hill or curve.i
Apexing on a closed course is fine. Apexing on a twisty two-lane public road is is considered an "improper lane change" at best, more likely "street racing" or "reckless driving".
/"criminal negligence or "vehicular manslaughter" may also apply, should one meet an oncoming car


Nothing you said is unreasonable.
 
2013-06-11 06:42:12 PM  

Mock26: Benjimin_Dover: Here's a tip: Stop crossing double yellows

Spoken by somebody who doesn't understand how to hit the apex of a curve.

If it was a closed course then your point would be valid.  But on a public road where someone could be coming the other way, well, take your apex of a curve and shove it up your arse.


Sometimes your apex will be the double yellow and sometimes it will be farther over.  How far ahead you can see will determine it.
 
2013-06-11 07:58:27 PM  
MadMattressMack

studebaker hoch: It's hard to see cops through red shift.

I thought you'd want to see them when you're traveling towards them and they're blue shifted. If they're red shifted you're driving away.


Well THAT might explain why I keep getting tickets.

Oh, and:

ibankcoin.com

/  What we're dealing with here is a complete lack of respect for the law.
 
2013-06-11 08:36:10 PM  
This doesn't seem right.  I've been informed by others here on Fark that unlike my pos solid axle Mustang whose steering wheel is permanently fixed in a straight line position making even the slightest turn impossible, BMWs are unholy handling machines that magically stick to the road and could make a 90 degree turn on ice at 200mph.
 
2013-06-11 08:44:55 PM  
bingo the psych-o:
/respect a road like a gun, never assume it's empty

I like that so much that I'm going to steal it.
 
2013-06-11 08:55:37 PM  

bopis: The Muthaship: Koodz: My MR2 (Toyota Fiero) has awesome front end grip but definitely over steers.

So much cooler than a Fiero.

Cheap imitation. Not cooler.


The Fiero was nickel and dimed by the beancounters into a complete turd because the people who thought it up sold the car as a "economy commuter" car.  Economy means cheap to GM since if you made economy cars nice then there's no reason to get a luxury car.

Toyota said, hey, let's do this right.

So one car weighed 2800lb, had a turd of a suspension in the front, a turd of a suspension in the back, neither of which worked well with each other, a turd of a shift linkage going to a turd of a transmission attached to the Holy Mother of Turd of an engine.  And the interior ergonomics sucked - besides the handbrake on the wrong side, the center console that would make a HMMWV blush, and general lack of space, the steering shaft went between the brake and throttle to make sporting driving just about impossible.

The other car, on the other hand, was far lighter, had a good front suspension, a decent rear suspension, fun chassis dynamics, good interior layout, room for even someone of my lofty height to drive comfortably (a rarity for an '80s Japanese car!), a good shifter attached to a decent trans, and the kicker is that it came with the 4A-GE engine which was Toyota's copy of Ford/Cosworth's incredible BDA engine.  When Toyota was developing the engine, one of the specs was that the engine had to be able to accelerate from idle to redline in one second when in neutral.  Makes for a fun engine to play with the gears.  I don't think the "Tech 4" could do that if you dropped redline to 3000rpm.
 
2013-06-11 09:22:24 PM  

StrangeQ: This doesn't seem right.  I've been informed by others here on Fark that unlike my pos solid axle Mustang whose steering wheel is permanently fixed in a straight line position making even the slightest turn impossible, BMWs are unholy handling machines that magically stick to the road and could make a 90 degree turn on ice at 200mph.




There is no point in talking to people who state that live axle cars cannot handle well. Sure, a good IRS is better than a good live axle, but there is much more to it than that, as as Mark Stielow shows here.
 
Al!
2013-06-11 09:23:11 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: Mock26: Benjimin_Dover: Here's a tip: Stop crossing double yellows

Spoken by somebody who doesn't understand how to hit the apex of a curve.

If it was a closed course then your point would be valid.  But on a public road where someone could be coming the other way, well, take your apex of a curve and shove it up your arse.

Sometimes your apex will be the double yellow and sometimes it will be farther over.  How far ahead you can see will determine it.


We could go even further and state that sometimes your apex is off the right side of the road, and sometimes it is off the left.  What's that?  Driving on the shoulder isn't what you'd prefer?  Why do you avoid the shoulder, then, when sometimes the proper apex would be in the dirt?  Treat the yellow line like you would treat the dirt and you'll never be surprised by someone hiding in the oncoming lane.  Picture the road as being just wide enough to fit your lane.  Imagine that crossing the yellow line would put tires in the dirt.  Now where is the apex of your turn?  I bet it isn't in the oncoming lane.  It takes more skill to drive the wheels off your car and stay in your lane than anything that involves going into the oncoming lane.
 
2013-06-11 09:31:41 PM  
Repo Man:
There is no point in talking to people who state that live axle cars cannot handle well. Sure, a good IRS is better than a good live axle, but there is much more to it than that, as as Mark Stielow shows here.

I firmly believe that live axle cars can handle better than IRS.  Mine sure as hell does.  Driving my car back to back with a Miata, I found that my car felt more stable and you could actually put the power down because, unlike IRS, you can get a good deal of anti-squat with a stick axle.  This drives the tires into the ground over rough areas and inhibits traction loss.

I mean, sure, on a smooth road, maybe, but on a smooth road you practically don't need any suspension at all.  Plus smooth roads are damned boring.

I can't think of one front-engined stage rally car with IRS that was competitive with live axle cars, when RWD was the predominant platform.

IRS is very good at increasing interior room, I'll give it that.
 
2013-06-11 09:51:07 PM  
skozlaw: If it's so straight and flat that you feel like you can just fly along like a maniac, how did you not see the cop?

They use radar that just tells them the speed of vehicles (so no radar guns). He was in the oncoming lane, and there was a large vehicle in front of him. So while I could see for miles down my own lane, my view of his lane was temporarily blocked as I went by the large vehicle.

And poof, there he was, right behind it.

He pulled a U turn (Which is practically unheard in CA - police here like to get behind you to get your speed, or use radar guns).

All I know is that for the 8 days I was on vacation, I was driving like a granny (and since I was on vacation, I was in no hurry to get anywhere).

// Here in CA, 80 in a 65 is leisurely commuting. I copied the below from the transit monitoring site, it gives traffic speeds (averaged across all lanes).

N/O 15 75 mph
15 75 mph

S/O 15 66 mph
Home Ave 65 mph
94 WB Connector 68 mph


Note that for two of the readouts, the average speed is already 10 MPH over the limit. When you consider this includes the truck lane (where semis are limited to 55), then you can imagine what the actual speeds are in the #1 "fast" lane.

and I suspect the cap is 75. So even if the avg was above that, that's the max they would show //conspiracy theory//

// stretches of the I15 north, the limit is 70 and people go 90. I stay in the #2 lane for those trips.
 
2013-06-11 10:11:58 PM  

KrispyKritter: sat1va: I can only hope there are authorities/insurance familiar with his other videos looking to identify him who now have a write-off collision to do so. People that drive like that, crossing solid lines on public roads, deserve to have their licenses revoked. Go be cool on a track instead of risking everyone's life and wasting tax-payer and insurance company money.

wow. white knighting for insurance companies. who each screw policy holders as much as possible while posting record breaking profits year after year. pull in those reins, enthusiastic right doer.


I'm not white-knighting for insurance companies. I spent 8 years of my life reconstructing over 400 motor vehicle collisions for insurance companies, lawyers, municipalities and two provinces. Insurance adjusters are the bottom of the barrel, I maintain that lawyers are less scum than insurance adjusters. I left the industry because of how disgusted I was with adjusters. I miss the work but I don't miss watching otherwise seemingly good people twist their ethics to save a company some money. If you are an adjuster, or know one, help them get out of that line of work and save their soul. That being said, I legally have to own insurance to drive, and the more douche bags that write off their vehicles stunting, the more everyone else has to pay in the end to cover it. When I was a young male having to pay $2500/year for insurance with a clean record I thought it was ludicrous. When I began working in forensics I realized very soon why my demographic was paying that much money because who else was going to cover the millions upon millions in property damage and medical bills young males were causing disproportionately just in the small slice of collisions I investigated.

/I've seen too many dead kids
 
2013-06-12 01:32:52 AM  

chewielouie: [clatl.com image 400x598]


ah the elusive white BMW, official chariot of the douchebag(TM)
 
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