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(Jalopnik)   Let's ride along with wannabe Speed Racer as he learns a valuable lesson about understeer -- and drives his BMW right off the edge of a cliff   (jalopnik.com) divider line 226
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2013-06-10 09:30:45 PM
Interesting and cool in a crunchy way.
Makes me wonder if he caught part of the ditch(tire hung over edge of pavement) and lost most right front grip and thus causing the left front to start a side slide.
 
2013-06-10 09:31:27 PM

A Shambling Mound: Ah. I didn't look it up and assumed it was newer. Nice enough car, that.


Yep, widely considered to be one of the best all around driver's cars ever. Someday. And in fairness, the new ones are more like $70k (+ or -) so you weren't that far off.
 
2013-06-10 09:34:41 PM

Al!: mxstone: Benjimin_Dover: Here's a tip: Stop crossing double yellows

Spoken by somebody who doesn't understand how to hit the apex of a curve.

Others have mentioned it but I'll pile on. As someone who routinely goes batshiat fast on twisty PUBLIC roads, That yellow line is your apex. Respect it and you won't do dumb shiat like this douchy farker.

Sort of THIS.  I used to drive like an idiot when I was younger.  I describe it as such because that is a factual and accurate description of what it is to drive 2-3x the speed limit on a public road.  Treat the yellow line as a giant brick wall and you're not very likely to end up in a ditch or off of a cliff.  My recommendation?  Keep your speeding to 10 mph over the limit and get real friendly with your neighborhood racetrack owner/operator.  I hit a deer while I was cruising at about 125 mph in my '89 Jaguar XJS on a public road.  I came up over a small rise in the road and it was just hanging out there in my lane.  Had it been a kid, I would be typing this from a prison library somewhere, even though the incident was almost 10 years ago.  The deer splattered all over the inside of the back window and nearly put us into a telephone pole at over 100 mph, as I couldn't see where I was going with doe-guts all in my eyes, mouth and nose.  You can factor for everything except bad luck.  Bad luck catches up to everyone who pushes their luck too often.


Yea, I talk a good game but I've slowed down quite a bit in my more mature years. That's the cool thing about motorcycles. I can get my speed groove in very short stints on the on ramps and clover-leaves and such. With fast cars, it was always about that long sustained speed "flow" that got my motor runnin'. So to speak.
 
2013-06-10 09:37:28 PM

thermo: He wasn't trying to be Speed, he was trying to be part of the Car Acrobatic Team
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Aerobatic.
 
2013-06-10 09:39:15 PM

Uncle_Sam's_Titties: Pray 4 Mojo: I must say... that sure is a durable camera.

GoPros are the farking shiat dude... unstoppable


I tried to find a link to one of my friend's videos where his GoPro fell off and was run over a couple times before someone saw it in the dirt and picked it up... but "GoPro run over" has about a quarter million search hits on YouTube.
 
2013-06-10 09:39:39 PM

SuperNinjaToad: What happened to him? Did he walk? die, severely injured etc?
That doesn't seem like the kind of crash one walks away from with just bruises.


One does not simply walk away from a Four Door.
 
2013-06-10 09:40:57 PM
At least he used his turn signal
 
2013-06-10 09:41:50 PM
jgk3:  It's not only safer, but more challenging as any incompetent idiot can drive a twisty road fast if they ignore the lane markings.

Apparently not.

/still DWTFV because not clicking Jalopnik
 
2013-06-10 09:41:55 PM

Al!: mxstone: Benjimin_Dover: Here's a tip: Stop crossing double yellows

Spoken by somebody who doesn't understand how to hit the apex of a curve.

Others have mentioned it but I'll pile on. As someone who routinely goes batshiat fast on twisty PUBLIC roads, That yellow line is your apex. Respect it and you won't do dumb shiat like this douchy farker.

Sort of THIS.  I used to drive like an idiot when I was younger.  I describe it as such because that is a factual and accurate description of what it is to drive 2-3x the speed limit on a public road.  Treat the yellow line as a giant brick wall and you're not very likely to end up in a ditch or off of a cliff.  My recommendation?  Keep your speeding to 10 mph over the limit and get real friendly with your neighborhood racetrack owner/operator.  I hit a deer while I was cruising at about 125 mph in my '89 Jaguar XJS on a public road.  I came up over a small rise in the road and it was just hanging out there in my lane.  Had it been a kid, I would be typing this from a prison library somewhere, even though the incident was almost 10 years ago.  The deer splattered all over the inside of the back window and nearly put us into a telephone pole at over 100 mph, as I couldn't see where I was going with doe-guts all in my eyes, mouth and nose.  You can factor for everything except bad luck.  Bad luck catches up to everyone who pushes their luck too often.


The road past my house has been featured as one of the best drives in the country.  The speed limit on it is 45MPH.

I can tell you as a twisty-turny-speedy road junkie... that limit is WAY to high for both the road, and the people on the road.  The road is one of the older roads in the US and meanders along a river.   The road is lined on one side by sycamore trees, and on the other by 6' earthen bank or 200 year old oak trees.  The result is that you can't see far enough ahead for your brakes to stop you should you encounter a cyclist, stopped car (people stopping to pick up kayakers, etc), deer, or just another car taking in the scenery at 25mph.

The curves on the road make traversing at 45mph risky enough, toss in some leaf litter and rain and you could easily lose control.

I regularly see people doing 60MPH+ on the road, I have no idea how there aren't more deadly collisions.
 
2013-06-10 09:42:08 PM
Pause at :45-46...... Nice glasses!
 
2013-06-10 09:44:00 PM

mutterfark: [a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com image 600x436]

Last known photo?


Nice teeth there.
 
2013-06-10 09:44:46 PM
was that arizona?
 
2013-06-10 09:46:28 PM

numbone: Enter slow, power out and you'll last longer. You can drive like that also.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-10 09:47:39 PM

oh_please: Bit'O'Gristle: Please tell me that he is died.

Sorry, he not is died.


"Not deaded", if you please.
 
2013-06-10 09:48:30 PM

mbillips: Opposite of a BMW.

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sees what you did there
 
2013-06-10 09:50:16 PM
Decreasing radius turns get you everytime.
 
2013-06-10 09:54:46 PM

Mister Peejay: /still DWTFV because not clicking Jalopnik


Direct YouTube link here.
 
2013-06-10 09:55:34 PM
kiddtic.files.wordpress.com

Brother, I am disappoint.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-06-10 09:56:02 PM
When I read the driving group on usenet in the 1990s somebody posted a story about a public street high speed run like that. Front car went out of sight around a curve and wiped out. Car was stopped across both lanes. Second driver rounded the curve, couldn't stop, hit the first car, and killed the first driver. Second driver was really sorry.

I don't drive like that on public roads. I drive fast, but not so fast that I need to cross the double yellow to get around the curve.

The insurance company will appreciate the video.

Probably doesn't matter. Single car accident is going to be blamed on the driver anyway. In my case I would still be covered. Some other policies or other states might not pay.

I know a man who was covered when he totalled his car on a race track. Whatever race exclusion his policy had was not broad enough to cover the situation. He knew better to say "I was racing at the race track." He was (as far as I know) honest in his claim, and his honest description didn't sound like a race to the insurer.

I think a practice doesn't count as a race, but once you get formal scoring of finish position it is a race.
 
2013-06-10 09:59:09 PM

thermo: He wasn't trying to be Speed, he was trying to be part of the Car Acrobatic Team
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Much respect for a bunch of flesh creatures who can do such insane shenanigans with a vehicle without benefit of Decepticon technology or being able to fuse into a giant(er) robot
 
2013-06-10 09:59:42 PM

oh_please: Bit'O'Gristle: Please tell me that he is died.

Sorry, he not is died.


Is died or not is died, he not is can drive.
 
2013-06-10 10:03:43 PM

SpeedyBB: oh_please: Bit'O'Gristle: Please tell me that he is died.

Sorry, he not is died.

"Not deaded", if you please.


Here lies Roger Blake
Stepped on the gas
Instead of the brake.
 
2013-06-10 10:04:07 PM
I hate this "drifting" assholes.  They kill motorcyclists all the time.
 
2013-06-10 10:05:48 PM

The Muthaship: ComicBookGuy: Anyone else very, very disappointed Darwin was cheated?

I was actually sort of proud of the moron for not screaming like a girl.


/I would have


He's driving a BMW.  He would have had to take the dick out of his mouth first  before screaming
 
2013-06-10 10:06:39 PM

Al!: mxstone: Benjimin_Dover: Here's a tip: Stop crossing double yellows

Spoken by somebody who doesn't understand how to hit the apex of a curve.

Others have mentioned it but I'll pile on. As someone who routinely goes batshiat fast on twisty PUBLIC roads, That yellow line is your apex. Respect it and you won't do dumb shiat like this douchy farker.

Sort of THIS.  I used to drive like an idiot when I was younger.  I describe it as such because that is a factual and accurate description of what it is to drive 2-3x the speed limit on a public road.  Treat the yellow line as a giant brick wall and you're not very likely to end up in a ditch or off of a cliff.  My recommendation?  Keep your speeding to 10 mph over the limit and get real friendly with your neighborhood racetrack owner/operator.  I hit a deer while I was cruising at about 125 mph in my '89 Jaguar XJS on a public road.  I came up over a small rise in the road and it was just hanging out there in my lane.  Had it been a kid, I would be typing this from a prison library somewhere, even though the incident was almost 10 years ago.  The deer splattered all over the inside of the back window and nearly put us into a telephone pole at over 100 mph, as I couldn't see where I was going with doe-guts all in my eyes, mouth and nose.  You can factor for everything except bad luck.  Bad luck catches up to everyone who pushes their luck too often


Amen
 
2013-06-10 10:11:55 PM

willfullyobscure: who is that proud of being a downright shiatty driver they want brag about it on video?

That was awfulness; spent more time riding tbe brakes than your mom spent riding my dick.


So he he only rode the brakes what, .3, maybe .4 seconds?
 
2013-06-10 10:12:23 PM

ZAZ: I know a man who was covered when he totalled his car on a race track. Whatever race exclusion his policy had was not broad enough to cover the situation. He knew better to say "I was racing at the race track." He was (as far as I know) honest in his claim, and his honest description didn't sound like a race to the insurer.

I think a practice doesn't count as a race, but once you get formal scoring of finish position it is a race.


There's lots of ways you can enjoy your car on a road course without it being a race.  Open lapping days are one of them.  (Timing equipment is generally forbidden at these)  Another way is to go to a driver's school or High Performance Driving Experience, basically open lapping with an instructor.  (The top tier of HPDEs can have you going out sans instructor, tho)  Since those are "driver's education" then insurance MAY cover you if you spectacularly run out of talent
 
2013-06-10 10:13:29 PM
Dave Edmunds unavailable for comment?
http://youtu.be/WrURe9s572I
 
2013-06-10 10:16:14 PM

optikeye: Christ, what an asshole. I'm sure Daddy will buy him a new one tho.


A Shambling Mound: I'd like to thank that guy for the entertainment. I think $70k is a bit pricey for 30 seconds of my time but hey, who am I to judge?


Insurance has it covered.  Daddy's policy, taking into account the 9 other cars he also has insured, doesn't want to lose daddy's business.  Blanket rate hike to the rescue!
 
2013-06-10 10:17:26 PM
That looked like Apache Trail at either Canyon or Saguaro lake.

/ I want to see a video of someone racing down Fish Creek Hill.
 
2013-06-10 10:19:07 PM

Mister Peejay: Mr. Eugenides: I like how he turns harder to the right after the front wheels start to understeer.

Well if too much don't work, then a little more should do the trick, right?

And people wonder why cars have to have stability control now.  People are idiots.

Something something Ultimate Parking Machine, something something E30s were best BMWs ever, something something oversteer scares passengers but understeer scares drivers.



To be fair, understeer saves lives.  All production cars are designed to understeer at the limit because when you inevitably hit something you hit it mostly head on.  If the car oversteers at the limit then you're going to end up hitting something sideways which tends to be a lot less survivable.

Understeer is a lot less fun if you're intentionally at the limit, but either way if you're operating beyond the limit craps gonna happen.
 
2013-06-10 10:19:35 PM
i41.tinypic.com
 
2013-06-10 10:23:11 PM
♫  Dead Man's Curve is no place to play. ♪  ♪
 
2013-06-10 10:25:00 PM

Gilligann: That cliff totally jumped out in front of him


what cliff?
he went off the road onto a lower shoulder/rock filled ditch.

what a cliff might look like
upload.wikimedia.org
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-06-10 10:37:44 PM
To be fair, understeer saves lives. All production cars are designed to understeer at the limit because when you inevitably hit something you hit it mostly head on. If the car oversteers at the limit then you're going to end up hitting something sideways which tends to be a lot less survivable.

Audi recalled the TT because it could be persauded to oversteer, with bad consequences. (Car and Driver story) At the time, some said the dead/wrecked drivers were stupid for lifting throttle in a high speed curve and wanted the original handling retained.
 
2013-06-10 10:42:02 PM
Mr. Eugenides:
To be fair, understeer saves lives.  All production cars are designed to understeer at the limit because when you inevitably hit something you hit it mostly head on.  If the car oversteers at the limit then you're going to end up hitting something sideways which tends to be a lot less survivable.

Understeer is a lot less fun if you're intentionally at the limit, but either way if you're operating beyond the limit craps gonna happen.


It's even more basic than that.  Generally speaking, non-trained drivers lift throttle or hit the brakes when they encounter an oh-crap situation.  Both of those things will help an understeering situation (unless you SLAM the brakes, but that at least slows the car down) so in this respect understeer is a safe mode of cornering.

Meanwhile, applying the brakes or lifting the throttle are precisely how not to deal with an oversteering car.  It just makes things go all to hell in an instant. Keep throttle steady or even apply more throttle, and hope that you're not in the automotive equivalent of the "coffin corner" where you don't have enough power to deal with it.  Either way, it's counterintuitive to how a non-experienced/trained person will react in such a situation.

Or, to put it somewhat cynically (albeit with a big grain of truth), it's perceived that if you understeer and crash, you were driving too fast and therefore it's your fault, but if you spin and crash, the car is unsafe and the car was at fault Corvair.

/you need to spend Porsche money before bass-ackwards chassis dynamics are a feature, not a bug
 
2013-06-10 10:54:53 PM
 
2013-06-10 10:55:25 PM

ZAZ: At the time, some said the dead/wrecked drivers were stupid for lifting throttle in a high speed curve and wanted the original handling retained.


The drivers WERE stupid for lifting in a curve - any curve with significant side loading.

But Audi is not Porsche or Ferrari where it's expected that the car is going to be difficult to "master".  They were selling a cheap cutesy little coupe based on the VW Golf chassis and they had to work damage control.

I think the kicker was when one of the VWAG execs had a "moment" in a TT.  Probably pride was involved, there...
 
2013-06-10 10:55:36 PM

titwrench: SuperNinjaToad: What happened to him? Did he walk? die, severely injured etc?
That doesn't seem like the kind of crash one walks away from with just bruises.

You would be surprised. My sister was driving up a highway in San Diego called the 67. San Diegans can verify there are sketchy stretches of that road. Anyway some chick comes over into my sisters lane and clips her front end my sisters SUV goes off the road rolls several times and ends up (estimated by the sheriff's deputy) 200 feet down the embankment. She was 8 months pregnant at the time and had her 2 sons in the back seat. Everyone walked away with minor aches and pains. No internal damage and no broken bones.


dayum! what SUV was she driving? can't be an Explorer for sure.. maybe a RR or a FJ Cruiser?
 
2013-06-10 10:56:38 PM
Canyon Lake, AZ state route 88.

Lat :  33.540575
Lon: -111.442986
(approx, Google doesn't like Mozilla)

This is one of the heaviest-used recreation areas in the state.  Idiots were racing straight into the campground / marina areas.

/Too bad about your car, brah.  Hey now we know where you assholes race.
 
2013-06-10 11:05:09 PM
While it wasn't caught on video, a few months ago I was touring in the Mediterranean; a couple of Germans were riding their motorcycles in a similar fashion along the coast of Greece. Unfortunately for one of the guys, who pushed too far into a blind, cliff-side corner. The tour bus I was riding in was coming in the opposite direction. The guy tried to swerve around the far side of the bus, but it was too late.

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The motorcyclist had on a full face helmet and full leathers - and both of the vehicles had slowed quite a bit before the impact. The motorcyclist survived for about 30 minutes after the impact, but died before medical help arrived. The police didn't even arrive on the scene until about 50 minutes after the accident.

Racing around blind corners, on public roads, is a very, very dumb idea. I'm amazed the article's BMW driver didn't kill someone else on the road.
 
2013-06-10 11:06:08 PM
Bobo D Monkey:

That's an E46 M3, sold from '02 to '06 its worth $40k max, but probably more like $15k-$20k.


I see a lot of that around here9129 "bro, im a baller, check out my M5. So what if its a 1998 and costs less than a new VW Jetta. It had an M badge, thats all that matters!"
 
2013-06-10 11:08:42 PM

A Shambling Mound: I'd like to thank that guy for the entertainment. I think $70k is a bit pricey for 30 seconds of my time but hey, who am I to judge?


You have to aggregate every person who was entertained by it. It has about 22,500 views now. If you take the $40k figure provided above, that's $2 for each entertained person.

Still a bit pricy, but it's still cheaper than good beer.
 
2013-06-10 11:09:46 PM
Came here for the It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World references, leaving satisfied.
 
2013-06-10 11:12:54 PM
LOL, at the end of the video (around 1:08) ... Mass Effect shirt :P
 
2013-06-10 11:13:39 PM

Sultan Of Herf: Benjimin_Dover: Here's a tip: Stop crossing double yellows

Spoken by somebody who doesn't understand how to hit the apex of a curve.

In all fairness, the guy in the video want doing so well with the apexes either.

Though there is a point...on roads where there may be oncoming traffic, stay in your lane. At least the only car wrecked was his.


Sorry, they won't allow the one that ends with "and plows head on into a soccer mom's Explorer" or the one that ends with "and ends off giving Optimus Prime a colonoscopy"
 
2013-06-10 11:18:12 PM
I'm highly amused that whomever posted a link to this on facebook tagged Bill Caswell.

/$500 rally car FTW!
 
2013-06-10 11:20:23 PM
halfmoth.com
 
2013-06-10 11:22:30 PM
Lakitu picked him up and put him back on the track, but his lap time was shot.

He picked up a blue shell at the next question block, though, so he's got that going for him.
 
2013-06-10 11:30:17 PM
i had a 99 E36 M3 never did anything anywhere near that stupid with it though. really fun car to drive, but it became a giant money hole.
 
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