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(Jalopnik)   Let's ride along with wannabe Speed Racer as he learns a valuable lesson about understeer -- and drives his BMW right off the edge of a cliff   (jalopnik.com) divider line 226
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2013-06-10 07:21:47 PM  
ha-HAA!
 
2013-06-10 07:26:31 PM  
He wasn't trying to be Speed, he was trying to be part of the Car Acrobatic Team
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2013-06-10 07:52:11 PM  
No, Speed Racer, no!
 
2013-06-10 07:54:48 PM  
Christ, what an asshole. I'm sure Daddy will buy him a new one tho.
 
2013-06-10 08:10:25 PM  
Couldn't have happened to a douchier car.
 
2013-06-10 08:12:38 PM  
I'd like to thank that guy for the entertainment. I think $70k is a bit pricey for 30 seconds of my time but hey, who am I to judge?
 
2013-06-10 08:13:27 PM  
What kind of car was it kicking his ass?
 
2013-06-10 08:13:50 PM  
I did stupid shiat as young driver...  but never anything THIS stupid.

//no one ever got hurt during any of my shenanigans, thank god.
//now a mature, careful driver.
 
2013-06-10 08:14:42 PM  
The real Speed Racer had the wherewithal to engage his jumpjacks and tire crampons when he drove off a cliff. This guy is just a poser...
 
2013-06-10 08:14:53 PM  
That'll buff right out.
 
2013-06-10 08:14:59 PM  
Well apparently my day wasn't so bad after all.
 
2013-06-10 08:15:01 PM  
Opposite of a BMW.

cdn2.arkive.org
 
2013-06-10 08:15:35 PM  

JustHereForThePics: I did stupid shiat as young driver...  but never anything THIS stupid.

//no one ever got hurt during any of my shenanigans, thank god.
//now a mature, careful driver.


Fortunately, when I was a young driver I had an '86 Cavalier which wasn't fast enough to kill me.
 
2013-06-10 08:15:51 PM  

The Muthaship: What kind of car was it kicking his ass?


Looks like another, older BMW to me, but it's hard to tell. If you watch the video the first car almost loses it in the very first corner so I don't know that "kicking his ass" is the right way to phrase it. "Getting luckier for longer" might be better.
 
2013-06-10 08:16:26 PM  
The insurance company will appreciate the video.
 
2013-06-10 08:16:37 PM  
BMW Break My Window. And frame, and interior.
 
2013-06-10 08:17:11 PM  

A Shambling Mound: The Muthaship: What kind of car was it kicking his ass?

Looks like another, older BMW to me, but it's hard to tell. If you watch the video the first car almost loses it in the very first corner so I don't know that "kicking his ass" is the right way to phrase it. "Getting luckier for longer" might be better.


Good point!  But, being a little more aggressive in a curve not located on a cliff is more forgivable than what M3 Boy did.
 
2013-06-10 08:17:21 PM  
The worst part of this video is that you don't see the severed head of this guy bouncing away from the wreckage. Also, Lou Ferrigno doesn't appear, painted like the hulk to repeatedly punch him in the genitals until he dies.

I kind of picture that whenever some asshole BMW driver is being an asshole BMW driver, which is always.
 
2013-06-10 08:17:33 PM  
Anyone else very, very disappointed Darwin was cheated?
 
2013-06-10 08:17:37 PM  
I've owned a BMW for many years.  Never tumbled it off the cliff, tho.  But then I'm no fun at parties.
Damn, I LOL'd.
 
2013-06-10 08:18:19 PM  

ComicBookGuy: Anyone else very, very disappointed Darwin was cheated?


I was actually sort of proud of the moron for not screaming like a girl.


/I would have
 
2013-06-10 08:18:23 PM  
He had to get back to Dancecentrum in Stuttgart in time to see Kraftwerk.
 
2013-06-10 08:19:21 PM  
I must say... that sure is a durable camera.
 
2013-06-10 08:19:21 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-06-10 08:19:33 PM  

The Muthaship: ComicBookGuy: Anyone else very, very disappointed Darwin was cheated?

I was actually sort of proud of the moron for not screaming like a girl.


/I would have


===============

Maybe the GoPro went into his mouth?
 
2013-06-10 08:19:58 PM  
This is why if I ever feel the need for speed, I just load up a little racing game simulator on my PC and play there. At least if I crash, I don't die or I don't have to pay for lots of stuff.

Playing racing game simulations also taught me about how dangerous turns and curves can be especially if you're accelerating.

At least he didn't end up in a gore site like theync.
 
2013-06-10 08:20:07 PM  

neongoats: Also, Lou Ferrigno doesn't appear, painted like the hulk to repeatedly punch him in the genitals until he dies.


PUNY CAR!  PUNY CAR!  PUNY CAR!!!
 
2013-06-10 08:20:09 PM  

neongoats: The worst part of this video is that you don't see the severed head of this guy bouncing away from the wreckage. Also, Lou Ferrigno doesn't appear, painted like the hulk to repeatedly punch him in the genitals until he dies.

I kind of picture that whenever some asshole BMW driver is being an asshole BMW driver, which is always.


So what kind of BMW do you drive.
 
2013-06-10 08:21:33 PM  
Driving too fast to maintain your lane == no safety net when you need it.
 
2013-06-10 08:21:50 PM  
clatl.com
 
2013-06-10 08:21:51 PM  
Here's a tip: Stop crossing double yellows

Spoken by somebody who doesn't understand how to hit the apex of a curve.
 
2013-06-10 08:23:33 PM  
I just HATE when I run out of talent .....
 
2013-06-10 08:23:37 PM  
So why did his side airbag go off before he impacted anything?  I mean, it looks like it certainly did its job, but do they just go off if the car tilts to the side over a certain amount, or what?
 
2013-06-10 08:25:29 PM  
t0.gstatic.com
 
2013-06-10 08:26:24 PM  

Erix: So why did his side airbag go off before he impacted anything?  I mean, it looks like it certainly did its job, but do they just go off if the car tilts to the side over a certain amount, or what?


Erix: So why did his side airbag go off before he impacted anything?  I mean, it looks like it certainly did its job, but do they just go off if the car tilts to the side over a certain amount, or what?


They go off in close proximity to a skills-deficient dickwad.
 
2013-06-10 08:27:44 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: Here's a tip: Stop crossing double yellows

Spoken by somebody who doesn't understand how to hit the apex of a curve.


Spoken by somebody who doesn't understand that public streets are not race tracks.
 
2013-06-10 08:27:46 PM  
Benjimin_Dover: Spoken by somebody who doesn't understand how to hit the apex of a curve.

I don't think this is a rally.

Oncoming traffic is just asking for trouble.

You can still go plenty fast and maintain your lane, and as an added bonus, you stay on the road.
 
2013-06-10 08:28:13 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: Here's a tip: Stop crossing double yellows

Spoken by somebody who doesn't understand how to hit the apex of a curve ON A RACE TRACK.


The public roads aren't a private track to "hit the apex of a curve".
 
2013-06-10 08:29:10 PM  
No thanks subby, I'd prefer not for his next inevitable lesson.
 
2013-06-10 08:30:34 PM  
That cliff totally jumped out in front of him
 
2013-06-10 08:31:14 PM  

Erix: So why did his side airbag go off before he impacted anything?  I mean, it looks like it certainly did its job, but do they just go off if the car tilts to the side over a certain amount, or what?


That airbag has been waiting for that moment since the day dad handed the keys to farkwit.

It wasn't a matter of if, but when.
 
2013-06-10 08:31:16 PM  

A Shambling Mound: The Muthaship: What kind of car was it kicking his ass?

Looks like another, older BMW to me, but it's hard to tell. If you watch the video the first car almost loses it in the very first corner so I don't know that "kicking his ass" is the right way to phrase it. "Getting luckier for longer" might be better.



might also have simply had a more experienced-- or simply better- driver in that first car.
 
2013-06-10 08:31:27 PM  
My dad has tools. We can fix it.
 
2013-06-10 08:31:32 PM  
who is that proud of being a downright shiatty driver they want brag about it on video?

That was awfulness; spent more time riding tbe brakes than your mom spent riding my dick.
 
2013-06-10 08:33:55 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: Here's a tip: Stop crossing double yellows

Spoken by somebody who doesn't understand how to hit the apex of a curve.


In all fairness, the guy in the video want doing so well with the apexes either.

Though there is a point...on roads where there may be oncoming traffic, stay in your lane. At least the only car wrecked was his.
 
2013-06-10 08:34:03 PM  

lohphat: Benjimin_Dover: Here's a tip: Stop crossing double yellows

Spoken by somebody who doesn't understand how to hit the apex of a curve ON A RACE TRACK.

The public roads aren't a private track to "hit the apex of a curve".


Bingo. We have two assholes who think reckless driving can be rationalized because they did so on little-used back roads. Never mind the fact that one of the assholes can't drive, it's the sheer stupidity of assholes like this that kill so many innocent people in head-on collisions because they weren't "expecting" oncoming traffic, pedestrians, animals, parked vehicles, etc.

Want to drive fast? Go to a friggin' track.
 
2013-06-10 08:34:50 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: Spoken by somebody who doesn't understand how to hit the apex of a curve.


Written by someone who doesn't understand what a double yellow means, apparently. It means NOT YOUR FARKING SIDE OF THE ROAD, DUMBASS. often that double yellow signifies a blind hill or curve.i
Apexing on a closed course is fine. Apexing on a twisty two-lane public road is is considered an "improper lane change" at best, more likely "street racing" or "reckless driving".
/"criminal negligence or "vehicular manslaughter" may also apply, should one meet an oncoming car
 
2013-06-10 08:34:52 PM  
I'm speed racer and I drive real fast
He's speed racer and he drives real fast
I drive real fast, I'm gonna last

I'm a big pirate and I like to steal
He's a big pirate and he likes to steal
I like to steal and I like to kill

Go, go, go speed racer

I'm a barbie doll, but I got brains
She's a barbie doll, but she's got brains
I've got brains and I like sex
Lots of brains and she likes sex

I'm your doctor and here's the bill
He's your doctor and here's the bill
Doctor steel and here's the bill
He likes to steal, so here's your bill

I'm speed racer and I drive real fast
I'm a big pirate and I like to steal
I'm a barbie doll, but I got brains
I'm your doctor and here's the bill

I drive real fast, I'm gonna last
I like to drink and I like to kill
Lots of brains and I like sex
Like to steal, here's your bill
 
2013-06-10 08:35:51 PM  
Benjimin_Dover: Spoken by somebody who doesn't understand how to hit the apex of a curve.

On a second rewatch, he'shiatting the apex of jack and shiat and is just wavering around on the road even in fairly straight sections.

Erix: So why did his side airbag go off before he impacted anything?

On a second rewatch, he shears a signpost in the front, and his front driver side tire hits a raised portion of rocks.
 
2013-06-10 08:37:01 PM  
Jimmy Durante kicks the bucket
www.cinemassacre.com
 
2013-06-10 08:37:16 PM  
Lots of derp here already.

A Shambling Mound: I'd like to thank that guy for the entertainment. I think $70k is a bit pricey for 30 seconds of my time but hey, who am I to judge?


That's an E46 M3, sold from '02 to '06 its worth $40k max, but probably more like $15k-$20k.

Erix: So why did his side airbag go off before he impacted anything?  I mean, it looks like it certainly did its job, but do they just go off if the car tilts to the side over a certain amount, or what?


Yep, you got it, there are roll sensors that deploy the side curtain airbags (and maybe the others) when the car tilts to a certain angle. Most cars nowadays have a system like that. On some 4x4's you have to pull a fuse so if you go off camber on a trail, the bags won't deploy in your face.
 
2013-06-10 08:38:18 PM  
i.imgur.com
You don't want this much heat.
 
2013-06-10 08:38:53 PM  
I can only hope there are authorities/insurance familiar with his other videos looking to identify him who now have a write-off collision to do so. People that drive like that, crossing solid lines on public roads, deserve to have their licenses revoked. Go be cool on a track instead of risking everyone's life and wasting tax-payer and insurance company money.
 
2013-06-10 08:41:55 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: Here's a tip: Stop crossing double yellows

Spoken by somebody who doesn't understand how to hit the apex of a curve.


Others have mentioned it but I'll pile on. As someone who routinely goes batshiat fast on twisty PUBLIC roads, That yellow line is your apex. Respect it and you won't do dumb shiat like this douchy farker.
 
2013-06-10 08:42:41 PM  
I like how he turns harder to the right after the front wheels start to understeer.
 
2013-06-10 08:43:07 PM  
What happened to him? Did he walk? die, severely injured etc?
That doesn't seem like the kind of crash one walks away from with just bruises.
 
2013-06-10 08:45:22 PM  

Sultan Of Herf: Benjimin_Dover: Here's a tip: Stop crossing double yellows

Spoken by somebody who doesn't understand how to hit the apex of a curve.

In all fairness, the guy in the video want doing so well with the apexes either.

Though there is a point...on roads where there may be oncoming traffic, stay in your lane. At least the only car wrecked was his.


If the driver had any knowledge of performance driving, he would have hung out in the curves until he saw the end of the curve before cutting in.   This also would have allowed him to cut in safely when he saw oncoming traffic, and delay the apex as long as possible.  The sky pilot in the video was doing the opposite, cutting in first, and then turning out at the wrong time.  Hence the high dive.
 
2013-06-10 08:46:22 PM  
A true BMW owner would've cut off that other driver.
 
2013-06-10 08:46:40 PM  
Guardrails...
 
2013-06-10 08:46:44 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: What happened to him? Did he walk? die, severely injured etc?


he sued the county for not putting in a large enough guard rail

seriously though, this is why we can't have nice things
 
2013-06-10 08:46:51 PM  

chewielouie: [clatl.com image 400x598]


In all fairness, he did have to be at the gym in 26 minutes.
 
2013-06-10 08:46:56 PM  

What an idiot. He had the big ass Yellow sign with the right curve arrow right in his view, and still he ignored it to speed right through the curve and off the cliff.

He learned his driving at the Thelma and Louise Auto School.



baltimorepostexaminer.com

 
2013-06-10 08:47:08 PM  

ComicBookGuy: Anyone else very, very disappointed Darwin was cheated?


i am. Better he offs himself before he kills someone else.

Benjimin_Dover: Here's a tip: Stop crossing double yellows

Spoken by somebody who doesn't understand how to hit the apex of a curve.


Go to bed, junior.
 
2013-06-10 08:47:23 PM  
Absolutely awesome video!  I have not laughed this hard in a long time.
 
2013-06-10 08:51:24 PM  
What a waste of a fabulous car. Douche bag.
 
2013-06-10 08:51:46 PM  

mxstone: Benjimin_Dover: Here's a tip: Stop crossing double yellows

Spoken by somebody who doesn't understand how to hit the apex of a curve.

Others have mentioned it but I'll pile on. As someone who routinely goes batshiat fast on twisty PUBLIC roads, That yellow line is your apex. Respect it and you won't do dumb shiat like this douchy farker.


I've been run off the road once & damn near hit people who did that on blind curves. We live in the farking mountains you asshats,STAY ON YOUR SIDE OF THE ROAD!!!!
 
2013-06-10 08:54:49 PM  
On the plus side GoPro makes on hell of a camera mount.
 
2013-06-10 08:55:42 PM  

Fissile: That'll buff right out.


Hope he has a friend whose dad has an awesome set of tools!
 
2013-06-10 08:57:30 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: What happened to him? Did he walk? die, severely injured etc?


He posted the video himself, along with a "tribute" video in memory of the car... so apparently the airbags worked.
 
2013-06-10 08:58:22 PM  
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Last known photo?
 
2013-06-10 09:01:27 PM  
What a waste of a douche car. Fabulous!
 
2013-06-10 09:01:29 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: What happened to him? Did he walk? die, severely injured etc?
That doesn't seem like the kind of crash one walks away from with just bruises.


You would be surprised. My sister was driving up a highway in San Diego called the 67. San Diegans can verify there are sketchy stretches of that road. Anyway some chick comes over into my sisters lane and clips her front end my sisters SUV goes off the road rolls several times and ends up (estimated by the sheriff's deputy) 200 feet down the embankment. She was 8 months pregnant at the time and had her 2 sons in the back seat. Everyone walked away with minor aches and pains. No internal damage and no broken bones.
 
2013-06-10 09:01:36 PM  

optikeye: Christ, what an asshole. I'm sure Daddy will buy him a new one tho.


When I was in high school, the local Rich Kid Douche got a brand new, tricked out Camero from his parents when he was still in 8th grade. He drove it like a rental too, until one day he of course wraps it around a tree, and had been drinking too I believe. The very day he gets his license back (first time offense was only like 6 months at the time, something like that), he and his dad go out and get the exact same car again, this time in black.
 
2013-06-10 09:02:01 PM  

mbillips: Opposite of a BMW.

[cdn2.arkive.org image 650x428]


I was hoping that in this particular case the prick would be all over the BMW, inside, outside, and some on the rocks as well.
 
2013-06-10 09:02:34 PM  

Boxcutta: Benjimin_Dover: Here's a tip: Stop crossing double yellows

Spoken by somebody who doesn't understand how to hit the apex of a curve.

Spoken by somebody who doesn't understand that public streets are not race tracks.


THIS.
 
2013-06-10 09:04:52 PM  
fubegra.net
 
2013-06-10 09:07:08 PM  
At Summit Point Raceway, the instructors will tell you two things about driving:

1) If a meteor falls out of the sky and crushes your car, it's an accident.
2) Everything else is driver error.
 
2013-06-10 09:08:45 PM  
Relax, all right? My old man is a television repairman, he's got this ultimate set of tools. I can fix it.
 
2013-06-10 09:09:42 PM  
Best advertisement for the go pro camera mount.
 
2013-06-10 09:10:25 PM  

Fubegra: [fubegra.net image 409x389]


Can't believe it took so long for this.
 
2013-06-10 09:10:56 PM  

rkiller1: Jimmy Durante kicks the bucket


"You see how he just sailed off there?"
api.ning.com
 
2013-06-10 09:11:39 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: I must say... that sure is a durable camera.


GoPros are the farking shiat dude... unstoppable
 
2013-06-10 09:11:52 PM  
Enter slow, power out and you'll last longer. You can drive like that also.
 
2013-06-10 09:12:24 PM  

Bobo D Monkey: Lots of derp here already.

A Shambling Mound: I'd like to thank that guy for the entertainment. I think $70k is a bit pricey for 30 seconds of my time but hey, who am I to judge?

That's an E46 M3, sold from '02 to '06 its worth $40k max, but probably more like $15k-$20k.

Ah. I didn't look it up and assumed it was newer. Nice enough car, that.

 
2013-06-10 09:14:38 PM  
FlashHarry, was that you?
 
2013-06-10 09:16:09 PM  

Valiente: [t0.gstatic.com image 258x196]


i'm not sure why, but I got the lols. Thank you.
 
2013-06-10 09:16:22 PM  

FormlessOne: lohphat: Benjimin_Dover: Here's a tip: Stop crossing double yellows

Spoken by somebody who doesn't understand how to hit the apex of a curve ON A RACE TRACK.

The public roads aren't a private track to "hit the apex of a curve".

Bingo. We have two assholes who think reckless driving can be rationalized because they did so on little-used back roads. Never mind the fact that one of the assholes can't drive, it's the sheer stupidity of assholes like this that kill so many innocent people in head-on collisions because they weren't "expecting" oncoming traffic, pedestrians, animals, parked vehicles, etc.

Want to drive fast? Go to a friggin' track.


Amen.   I've owned some fast cars, and can drive a proper line smoothly without crossing double yellows... but the fun in racing on public roads went away for good after a single weekend on an actual track.  You can get SO much closer to the limit on a track, and get SO much more out of your car, SO consistently... that going back to the road makes you realize what I dweebish thing it is to feel like you're driving fast when you really aren't.

It's not hard to find a track with "driver education" or "car control" or "time trial" weekends, where they'll let most folks on (for a few hundred bucks) after a mild tech inspection.  If you actually want to drive well (smooth, fast, safe, and right at the limit) that's the place for it... not posing on public roads, waiting to take out a cyclist or vanful of kids.
 
2013-06-10 09:17:51 PM  
Please tell me that he is died. So he can't pass on his douchebag defective genes to others, and thus end humanity as we know it. And also, what a waste of a fine BMW. i hope his insurance company sees this vid.
 
2013-06-10 09:18:15 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: Here's a tip: Stop crossing double yellows

Spoken by somebody who doesn't understand how to hit the apex of a curve.


Spoken by somebody who doesn't understand the concept of not crossing double yellows.

/see the double yellow?  your road ends there.  that's your maximum in- or out-point, not the dirt in the oncoming lane
 
2013-06-10 09:18:43 PM  
Is anybody else kinda bummed out that he lived?
It may have spared some decent human lives in the future if he hadn't survived this round of douchiness.
 
2013-06-10 09:19:25 PM  

jayhawk88: optikeye: Christ, what an asshole. I'm sure Daddy will buy him a new one tho.

When I was in high school, the local Rich Kid Douche got a brand new, tricked out Camero from his parents when he was still in 8th grade. He drove it like a rental too, until one day he of course wraps it around a tree, and had been drinking too I believe. The very day he gets his license back (first time offense was only like 6 months at the time, something like that), he and his dad go out and get the exact same car again, this time in black.


Yeah, we had a guy like that. Dad bought him an M3 (surprise!) and he proceeded to rip out the undercarriage on a median (not drunk, just stupid). Since obviously the problem was the car just wasn't high enough, Dad bought him an X5 to replace it.
 
2013-06-10 09:19:26 PM  
Here's a tip: Stop crossing double yellows

Spoken by somebody who doesn't understand how to hit the apex of a curve.


Spoken by someone who doesn't understand that, on a public road, the apex of a corner with double yellows is on your side of the double yellow.   It's not only safer, but more challenging as any incompetent idiot can drive a twisty road fast if they ignore the lane markings.
 
Al!
2013-06-10 09:20:45 PM  

mxstone: Benjimin_Dover: Here's a tip: Stop crossing double yellows

Spoken by somebody who doesn't understand how to hit the apex of a curve.

Others have mentioned it but I'll pile on. As someone who routinely goes batshiat fast on twisty PUBLIC roads, That yellow line is your apex. Respect it and you won't do dumb shiat like this douchy farker.


Sort of THIS.  I used to drive like an idiot when I was younger.  I describe it as such because that is a factual and accurate description of what it is to drive 2-3x the speed limit on a public road.  Treat the yellow line as a giant brick wall and you're not very likely to end up in a ditch or off of a cliff.  My recommendation?  Keep your speeding to 10 mph over the limit and get real friendly with your neighborhood racetrack owner/operator.  I hit a deer while I was cruising at about 125 mph in my '89 Jaguar XJS on a public road.  I came up over a small rise in the road and it was just hanging out there in my lane.  Had it been a kid, I would be typing this from a prison library somewhere, even though the incident was almost 10 years ago.  The deer splattered all over the inside of the back window and nearly put us into a telephone pole at over 100 mph, as I couldn't see where I was going with doe-guts all in my eyes, mouth and nose.  You can factor for everything except bad luck.  Bad luck catches up to everyone who pushes their luck too often.
 
2013-06-10 09:21:03 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Please tell me that he is died.


Sorry, he not is died.
 
2013-06-10 09:21:27 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: I like how he turns harder to the right after the front wheels start to understeer.


Well if too much don't work, then a little more should do the trick, right?

And people wonder why cars have to have stability control now.  People are idiots.

Something something Ultimate Parking Machine, something something E30s were best BMWs ever, something something oversteer scares passengers but understeer scares drivers.
 
2013-06-10 09:21:39 PM  
Bee Em Trouble-You
 
2013-06-10 09:22:49 PM  

titwrench: SuperNinjaToad: What happened to him? Did he walk? die, severely injured etc?
That doesn't seem like the kind of crash one walks away from with just bruises.

You would be surprised. My sister was driving up a highway in San Diego called the 67. San Diegans can verify there are sketchy stretches of that road. Anyway some chick comes over into my sisters lane and clips her front end my sisters SUV goes off the road rolls several times and ends up (estimated by the sheriff's deputy) 200 feet down the embankment. She was 8 months pregnant at the time and had her 2 sons in the back seat. Everyone walked away with minor aches and pains. No internal damage and no broken bones.


wow. That was sooo lucky. Also, behold modern engineering for safety.
Glad to hear it. That's an honest csb.
 
2013-06-10 09:24:05 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: Here's a tip: Stop crossing double yellows

Spoken by somebody who doesn't understand how to hit the apex of a curve.


Spoken by someone who has yet to encounter oncoming traffic.
 
2013-06-10 09:24:41 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: Here's a tip: Stop crossing double yellows

Spoken by somebody who doesn't understand how to hit the apex of a curve.


If it was a closed course then your point would be valid.  But on a public road where someone could be coming the other way, well, take your apex of a curve and shove it up your arse.
 
2013-06-10 09:25:49 PM  

kokomo61: At Summit Point Raceway, the instructors will tell you two things about driving:

1) If a meteor falls out of the sky and crushes your car, it's an accident.
2) Everything else is driver error.


Isn't Summit Point the seriously long (for this continent) course with a selection of curves over crests such that you have to "just know" where the course is, and hope you have enough room at the exits?

Sounds like a lot of fun.

/i'll pass, trackdays are way too expensive for my tastes
/dirty conesquisher
 
2013-06-10 09:30:45 PM  
Interesting and cool in a crunchy way.
Makes me wonder if he caught part of the ditch(tire hung over edge of pavement) and lost most right front grip and thus causing the left front to start a side slide.
 
2013-06-10 09:31:27 PM  

A Shambling Mound: Ah. I didn't look it up and assumed it was newer. Nice enough car, that.


Yep, widely considered to be one of the best all around driver's cars ever. Someday. And in fairness, the new ones are more like $70k (+ or -) so you weren't that far off.
 
2013-06-10 09:34:41 PM  

Al!: mxstone: Benjimin_Dover: Here's a tip: Stop crossing double yellows

Spoken by somebody who doesn't understand how to hit the apex of a curve.

Others have mentioned it but I'll pile on. As someone who routinely goes batshiat fast on twisty PUBLIC roads, That yellow line is your apex. Respect it and you won't do dumb shiat like this douchy farker.

Sort of THIS.  I used to drive like an idiot when I was younger.  I describe it as such because that is a factual and accurate description of what it is to drive 2-3x the speed limit on a public road.  Treat the yellow line as a giant brick wall and you're not very likely to end up in a ditch or off of a cliff.  My recommendation?  Keep your speeding to 10 mph over the limit and get real friendly with your neighborhood racetrack owner/operator.  I hit a deer while I was cruising at about 125 mph in my '89 Jaguar XJS on a public road.  I came up over a small rise in the road and it was just hanging out there in my lane.  Had it been a kid, I would be typing this from a prison library somewhere, even though the incident was almost 10 years ago.  The deer splattered all over the inside of the back window and nearly put us into a telephone pole at over 100 mph, as I couldn't see where I was going with doe-guts all in my eyes, mouth and nose.  You can factor for everything except bad luck.  Bad luck catches up to everyone who pushes their luck too often.


Yea, I talk a good game but I've slowed down quite a bit in my more mature years. That's the cool thing about motorcycles. I can get my speed groove in very short stints on the on ramps and clover-leaves and such. With fast cars, it was always about that long sustained speed "flow" that got my motor runnin'. So to speak.
 
2013-06-10 09:37:28 PM  

thermo: He wasn't trying to be Speed, he was trying to be part of the Car Acrobatic Team
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Aerobatic.
 
2013-06-10 09:39:15 PM  

Uncle_Sam's_Titties: Pray 4 Mojo: I must say... that sure is a durable camera.

GoPros are the farking shiat dude... unstoppable


I tried to find a link to one of my friend's videos where his GoPro fell off and was run over a couple times before someone saw it in the dirt and picked it up... but "GoPro run over" has about a quarter million search hits on YouTube.
 
2013-06-10 09:39:39 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: What happened to him? Did he walk? die, severely injured etc?
That doesn't seem like the kind of crash one walks away from with just bruises.


One does not simply walk away from a Four Door.
 
2013-06-10 09:40:57 PM  
At least he used his turn signal
 
2013-06-10 09:41:50 PM  
jgk3:  It's not only safer, but more challenging as any incompetent idiot can drive a twisty road fast if they ignore the lane markings.

Apparently not.

/still DWTFV because not clicking Jalopnik
 
2013-06-10 09:41:55 PM  

Al!: mxstone: Benjimin_Dover: Here's a tip: Stop crossing double yellows

Spoken by somebody who doesn't understand how to hit the apex of a curve.

Others have mentioned it but I'll pile on. As someone who routinely goes batshiat fast on twisty PUBLIC roads, That yellow line is your apex. Respect it and you won't do dumb shiat like this douchy farker.

Sort of THIS.  I used to drive like an idiot when I was younger.  I describe it as such because that is a factual and accurate description of what it is to drive 2-3x the speed limit on a public road.  Treat the yellow line as a giant brick wall and you're not very likely to end up in a ditch or off of a cliff.  My recommendation?  Keep your speeding to 10 mph over the limit and get real friendly with your neighborhood racetrack owner/operator.  I hit a deer while I was cruising at about 125 mph in my '89 Jaguar XJS on a public road.  I came up over a small rise in the road and it was just hanging out there in my lane.  Had it been a kid, I would be typing this from a prison library somewhere, even though the incident was almost 10 years ago.  The deer splattered all over the inside of the back window and nearly put us into a telephone pole at over 100 mph, as I couldn't see where I was going with doe-guts all in my eyes, mouth and nose.  You can factor for everything except bad luck.  Bad luck catches up to everyone who pushes their luck too often.


The road past my house has been featured as one of the best drives in the country.  The speed limit on it is 45MPH.

I can tell you as a twisty-turny-speedy road junkie... that limit is WAY to high for both the road, and the people on the road.  The road is one of the older roads in the US and meanders along a river.   The road is lined on one side by sycamore trees, and on the other by 6' earthen bank or 200 year old oak trees.  The result is that you can't see far enough ahead for your brakes to stop you should you encounter a cyclist, stopped car (people stopping to pick up kayakers, etc), deer, or just another car taking in the scenery at 25mph.

The curves on the road make traversing at 45mph risky enough, toss in some leaf litter and rain and you could easily lose control.

I regularly see people doing 60MPH+ on the road, I have no idea how there aren't more deadly collisions.
 
2013-06-10 09:42:08 PM  
Pause at :45-46...... Nice glasses!
 
2013-06-10 09:44:00 PM  

mutterfark: [a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com image 600x436]

Last known photo?


Nice teeth there.
 
2013-06-10 09:44:46 PM  
was that arizona?
 
2013-06-10 09:46:28 PM  

numbone: Enter slow, power out and you'll last longer. You can drive like that also.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-10 09:47:39 PM  

oh_please: Bit'O'Gristle: Please tell me that he is died.

Sorry, he not is died.


"Not deaded", if you please.
 
2013-06-10 09:48:30 PM  

mbillips: Opposite of a BMW.

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sees what you did there
 
2013-06-10 09:50:16 PM  
Decreasing radius turns get you everytime.
 
2013-06-10 09:54:46 PM  

Mister Peejay: /still DWTFV because not clicking Jalopnik


Direct YouTube link here.
 
2013-06-10 09:55:34 PM  
kiddtic.files.wordpress.com

Brother, I am disappoint.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-06-10 09:56:02 PM  
When I read the driving group on usenet in the 1990s somebody posted a story about a public street high speed run like that. Front car went out of sight around a curve and wiped out. Car was stopped across both lanes. Second driver rounded the curve, couldn't stop, hit the first car, and killed the first driver. Second driver was really sorry.

I don't drive like that on public roads. I drive fast, but not so fast that I need to cross the double yellow to get around the curve.

The insurance company will appreciate the video.

Probably doesn't matter. Single car accident is going to be blamed on the driver anyway. In my case I would still be covered. Some other policies or other states might not pay.

I know a man who was covered when he totalled his car on a race track. Whatever race exclusion his policy had was not broad enough to cover the situation. He knew better to say "I was racing at the race track." He was (as far as I know) honest in his claim, and his honest description didn't sound like a race to the insurer.

I think a practice doesn't count as a race, but once you get formal scoring of finish position it is a race.
 
2013-06-10 09:59:09 PM  

thermo: He wasn't trying to be Speed, he was trying to be part of the Car Acrobatic Team
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Much respect for a bunch of flesh creatures who can do such insane shenanigans with a vehicle without benefit of Decepticon technology or being able to fuse into a giant(er) robot
 
2013-06-10 09:59:42 PM  

oh_please: Bit'O'Gristle: Please tell me that he is died.

Sorry, he not is died.


Is died or not is died, he not is can drive.
 
2013-06-10 10:03:43 PM  

SpeedyBB: oh_please: Bit'O'Gristle: Please tell me that he is died.

Sorry, he not is died.

"Not deaded", if you please.


Here lies Roger Blake
Stepped on the gas
Instead of the brake.
 
2013-06-10 10:04:07 PM  
I hate this "drifting" assholes.  They kill motorcyclists all the time.
 
2013-06-10 10:05:48 PM  

The Muthaship: ComicBookGuy: Anyone else very, very disappointed Darwin was cheated?

I was actually sort of proud of the moron for not screaming like a girl.


/I would have


He's driving a BMW.  He would have had to take the dick out of his mouth first  before screaming
 
2013-06-10 10:06:39 PM  

Al!: mxstone: Benjimin_Dover: Here's a tip: Stop crossing double yellows

Spoken by somebody who doesn't understand how to hit the apex of a curve.

Others have mentioned it but I'll pile on. As someone who routinely goes batshiat fast on twisty PUBLIC roads, That yellow line is your apex. Respect it and you won't do dumb shiat like this douchy farker.

Sort of THIS.  I used to drive like an idiot when I was younger.  I describe it as such because that is a factual and accurate description of what it is to drive 2-3x the speed limit on a public road.  Treat the yellow line as a giant brick wall and you're not very likely to end up in a ditch or off of a cliff.  My recommendation?  Keep your speeding to 10 mph over the limit and get real friendly with your neighborhood racetrack owner/operator.  I hit a deer while I was cruising at about 125 mph in my '89 Jaguar XJS on a public road.  I came up over a small rise in the road and it was just hanging out there in my lane.  Had it been a kid, I would be typing this from a prison library somewhere, even though the incident was almost 10 years ago.  The deer splattered all over the inside of the back window and nearly put us into a telephone pole at over 100 mph, as I couldn't see where I was going with doe-guts all in my eyes, mouth and nose.  You can factor for everything except bad luck.  Bad luck catches up to everyone who pushes their luck too often


Amen
 
2013-06-10 10:11:55 PM  

willfullyobscure: who is that proud of being a downright shiatty driver they want brag about it on video?

That was awfulness; spent more time riding tbe brakes than your mom spent riding my dick.


So he he only rode the brakes what, .3, maybe .4 seconds?
 
2013-06-10 10:12:23 PM  

ZAZ: I know a man who was covered when he totalled his car on a race track. Whatever race exclusion his policy had was not broad enough to cover the situation. He knew better to say "I was racing at the race track." He was (as far as I know) honest in his claim, and his honest description didn't sound like a race to the insurer.

I think a practice doesn't count as a race, but once you get formal scoring of finish position it is a race.


There's lots of ways you can enjoy your car on a road course without it being a race.  Open lapping days are one of them.  (Timing equipment is generally forbidden at these)  Another way is to go to a driver's school or High Performance Driving Experience, basically open lapping with an instructor.  (The top tier of HPDEs can have you going out sans instructor, tho)  Since those are "driver's education" then insurance MAY cover you if you spectacularly run out of talent
 
2013-06-10 10:13:29 PM  
Dave Edmunds unavailable for comment?
http://youtu.be/WrURe9s572I
 
2013-06-10 10:16:14 PM  

optikeye: Christ, what an asshole. I'm sure Daddy will buy him a new one tho.


A Shambling Mound: I'd like to thank that guy for the entertainment. I think $70k is a bit pricey for 30 seconds of my time but hey, who am I to judge?


Insurance has it covered.  Daddy's policy, taking into account the 9 other cars he also has insured, doesn't want to lose daddy's business.  Blanket rate hike to the rescue!
 
2013-06-10 10:17:26 PM  
That looked like Apache Trail at either Canyon or Saguaro lake.

/ I want to see a video of someone racing down Fish Creek Hill.
 
2013-06-10 10:19:07 PM  

Mister Peejay: Mr. Eugenides: I like how he turns harder to the right after the front wheels start to understeer.

Well if too much don't work, then a little more should do the trick, right?

And people wonder why cars have to have stability control now.  People are idiots.

Something something Ultimate Parking Machine, something something E30s were best BMWs ever, something something oversteer scares passengers but understeer scares drivers.



To be fair, understeer saves lives.  All production cars are designed to understeer at the limit because when you inevitably hit something you hit it mostly head on.  If the car oversteers at the limit then you're going to end up hitting something sideways which tends to be a lot less survivable.

Understeer is a lot less fun if you're intentionally at the limit, but either way if you're operating beyond the limit craps gonna happen.
 
2013-06-10 10:19:35 PM  
i41.tinypic.com
 
2013-06-10 10:23:11 PM  
♫  Dead Man's Curve is no place to play. ♪  ♪
 
2013-06-10 10:25:00 PM  

Gilligann: That cliff totally jumped out in front of him


what cliff?
he went off the road onto a lower shoulder/rock filled ditch.

what a cliff might look like
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-06-10 10:37:44 PM  
To be fair, understeer saves lives. All production cars are designed to understeer at the limit because when you inevitably hit something you hit it mostly head on. If the car oversteers at the limit then you're going to end up hitting something sideways which tends to be a lot less survivable.

Audi recalled the TT because it could be persauded to oversteer, with bad consequences. (Car and Driver story) At the time, some said the dead/wrecked drivers were stupid for lifting throttle in a high speed curve and wanted the original handling retained.
 
2013-06-10 10:42:02 PM  
Mr. Eugenides:
To be fair, understeer saves lives.  All production cars are designed to understeer at the limit because when you inevitably hit something you hit it mostly head on.  If the car oversteers at the limit then you're going to end up hitting something sideways which tends to be a lot less survivable.

Understeer is a lot less fun if you're intentionally at the limit, but either way if you're operating beyond the limit craps gonna happen.


It's even more basic than that.  Generally speaking, non-trained drivers lift throttle or hit the brakes when they encounter an oh-crap situation.  Both of those things will help an understeering situation (unless you SLAM the brakes, but that at least slows the car down) so in this respect understeer is a safe mode of cornering.

Meanwhile, applying the brakes or lifting the throttle are precisely how not to deal with an oversteering car.  It just makes things go all to hell in an instant. Keep throttle steady or even apply more throttle, and hope that you're not in the automotive equivalent of the "coffin corner" where you don't have enough power to deal with it.  Either way, it's counterintuitive to how a non-experienced/trained person will react in such a situation.

Or, to put it somewhat cynically (albeit with a big grain of truth), it's perceived that if you understeer and crash, you were driving too fast and therefore it's your fault, but if you spin and crash, the car is unsafe and the car was at fault Corvair.

/you need to spend Porsche money before bass-ackwards chassis dynamics are a feature, not a bug
 
2013-06-10 10:54:53 PM  
 
2013-06-10 10:55:25 PM  

ZAZ: At the time, some said the dead/wrecked drivers were stupid for lifting throttle in a high speed curve and wanted the original handling retained.


The drivers WERE stupid for lifting in a curve - any curve with significant side loading.

But Audi is not Porsche or Ferrari where it's expected that the car is going to be difficult to "master".  They were selling a cheap cutesy little coupe based on the VW Golf chassis and they had to work damage control.

I think the kicker was when one of the VWAG execs had a "moment" in a TT.  Probably pride was involved, there...
 
2013-06-10 10:55:36 PM  

titwrench: SuperNinjaToad: What happened to him? Did he walk? die, severely injured etc?
That doesn't seem like the kind of crash one walks away from with just bruises.

You would be surprised. My sister was driving up a highway in San Diego called the 67. San Diegans can verify there are sketchy stretches of that road. Anyway some chick comes over into my sisters lane and clips her front end my sisters SUV goes off the road rolls several times and ends up (estimated by the sheriff's deputy) 200 feet down the embankment. She was 8 months pregnant at the time and had her 2 sons in the back seat. Everyone walked away with minor aches and pains. No internal damage and no broken bones.


dayum! what SUV was she driving? can't be an Explorer for sure.. maybe a RR or a FJ Cruiser?
 
2013-06-10 10:56:38 PM  
Canyon Lake, AZ state route 88.

Lat :  33.540575
Lon: -111.442986
(approx, Google doesn't like Mozilla)

This is one of the heaviest-used recreation areas in the state.  Idiots were racing straight into the campground / marina areas.

/Too bad about your car, brah.  Hey now we know where you assholes race.
 
2013-06-10 11:05:09 PM  
While it wasn't caught on video, a few months ago I was touring in the Mediterranean; a couple of Germans were riding their motorcycles in a similar fashion along the coast of Greece. Unfortunately for one of the guys, who pushed too far into a blind, cliff-side corner. The tour bus I was riding in was coming in the opposite direction. The guy tried to swerve around the far side of the bus, but it was too late.

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The motorcyclist had on a full face helmet and full leathers - and both of the vehicles had slowed quite a bit before the impact. The motorcyclist survived for about 30 minutes after the impact, but died before medical help arrived. The police didn't even arrive on the scene until about 50 minutes after the accident.

Racing around blind corners, on public roads, is a very, very dumb idea. I'm amazed the article's BMW driver didn't kill someone else on the road.
 
2013-06-10 11:06:08 PM  
Bobo D Monkey:

That's an E46 M3, sold from '02 to '06 its worth $40k max, but probably more like $15k-$20k.


I see a lot of that around here9129 "bro, im a baller, check out my M5. So what if its a 1998 and costs less than a new VW Jetta. It had an M badge, thats all that matters!"
 
2013-06-10 11:08:42 PM  

A Shambling Mound: I'd like to thank that guy for the entertainment. I think $70k is a bit pricey for 30 seconds of my time but hey, who am I to judge?


You have to aggregate every person who was entertained by it. It has about 22,500 views now. If you take the $40k figure provided above, that's $2 for each entertained person.

Still a bit pricy, but it's still cheaper than good beer.
 
2013-06-10 11:09:46 PM  
Came here for the It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World references, leaving satisfied.
 
2013-06-10 11:12:54 PM  
LOL, at the end of the video (around 1:08) ... Mass Effect shirt :P
 
2013-06-10 11:13:39 PM  

Sultan Of Herf: Benjimin_Dover: Here's a tip: Stop crossing double yellows

Spoken by somebody who doesn't understand how to hit the apex of a curve.

In all fairness, the guy in the video want doing so well with the apexes either.

Though there is a point...on roads where there may be oncoming traffic, stay in your lane. At least the only car wrecked was his.


Sorry, they won't allow the one that ends with "and plows head on into a soccer mom's Explorer" or the one that ends with "and ends off giving Optimus Prime a colonoscopy"
 
2013-06-10 11:18:12 PM  
I'm highly amused that whomever posted a link to this on facebook tagged Bill Caswell.

/$500 rally car FTW!
 
2013-06-10 11:20:23 PM  
halfmoth.com
 
2013-06-10 11:22:30 PM  
Lakitu picked him up and put him back on the track, but his lap time was shot.

He picked up a blue shell at the next question block, though, so he's got that going for him.
 
2013-06-10 11:30:17 PM  
i had a 99 E36 M3 never did anything anywhere near that stupid with it though. really fun car to drive, but it became a giant money hole.
 
2013-06-10 11:33:29 PM  
I certainly cannot cast any stones.  My first car was a 71 Mustang with a rebuilt 351C, with a whole lot of neat neat thingies that made the car just a beast.... Thankfully never cracked it up doing stupid things... not that I didn't do stupid things while driving it, just lucky enough to keep things relatively safe...  Apparently, Darwin was busy banging my girlfriend and decided to leave me alone...
 
2013-06-10 11:34:33 PM  

TheWizard: Al!: mxstone: Benjimin_Dover: Here's a tip: Stop crossing double yellows

Spoken by somebody who doesn't understand how to hit the apex of a curve.

Others have mentioned it but I'll pile on. As someone who routinely goes batshiat fast on twisty PUBLIC roads, That yellow line is your apex. Respect it and you won't do dumb shiat like this douchy farker.

Sort of THIS.  I used to drive like an idiot when I was younger.  I describe it as such because that is a factual and accurate description of what it is to drive 2-3x the speed limit on a public road.  Treat the yellow line as a giant brick wall and you're not very likely to end up in a ditch or off of a cliff.  My recommendation?  Keep your speeding to 10 mph over the limit and get real friendly with your neighborhood racetrack owner/operator.  I hit a deer while I was cruising at about 125 mph in my '89 Jaguar XJS on a public road.  I came up over a small rise in the road and it was just hanging out there in my lane.  Had it been a kid, I would be typing this from a prison library somewhere, even though the incident was almost 10 years ago.  The deer splattered all over the inside of the back window and nearly put us into a telephone pole at over 100 mph, as I couldn't see where I was going with doe-guts all in my eyes, mouth and nose.  You can factor for everything except bad luck.  Bad luck catches up to everyone who pushes their luck too often.

The road past my house has been featured as one of the best drives in the country.  The speed limit on it is 45MPH.

I can tell you as a twisty-turny-speedy road junkie... that limit is WAY to high for both the road, and the people on the road.  The road is one of the older roads in the US and meanders along a river.   The road is lined on one side by sycamore trees, and on the other by 6' earthen bank or 200 year old oak trees.  The result is that you can't see far enough ahead for your brakes to stop you should you encounter a cyclist, stopped car (people stopping to p ...


Maybe if the government stopped putting insanely low speed limits on full-visibility flat highways people would actually pay attention to speed limits.
 
2013-06-10 11:40:04 PM  
I would grade that experience at a pucker-factor of 5.
 
2013-06-10 11:47:12 PM  

jdawg3k: Maybe if the government stopped putting insanely low speed limits on full-visibility flat highways people would actually pay attention to speed limits.


Hmmm, seems to me that if the douchedozzle had been following that "insanely low speed limit" he would have stayed on the road.
 
2013-06-10 11:52:00 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: I like how he turns harder to the right after the front wheels start to understeer.


That is an extremely difficult reflex to condition out. It makes perfect sense to reduce the angle of attack when looking at it in hindsight or when asked academically; but when "oh sh*t" happens your lower brain tries to take over and "make it point that way!" however it can.
 
2013-06-11 12:04:44 AM  

LoneVVolf: Mr. Eugenides: I like how he turns harder to the right after the front wheels start to understeer.

That is an extremely difficult reflex to condition out. It makes perfect sense to reduce the angle of attack when looking at it in hindsight or when asked academically; but when "oh sh*t" happens your lower brain tries to take over and "make it point that way!" however it can.


Mine doesn't.  But that's because when I was a teenager my father made me drive too fast on a frozen lake so now muscle memory now knows what to do in that situation.
 
2013-06-11 12:05:23 AM  

Mr. Eugenides: Mister Peejay: Mr. Eugenides: I like how he turns harder to the right after the front wheels start to understeer.

Well if too much don't work, then a little more should do the trick, right?

And people wonder why cars have to have stability control now.  People are idiots.

Something something Ultimate Parking Machine, something something E30s were best BMWs ever, something something oversteer scares passengers but understeer scares drivers.


To be fair, understeer saves lives.  All production cars are designed to understeer at the limit because when you inevitably hit something you hit it mostly head on.  If the car oversteers at the limit then you're going to end up hitting something sideways which tends to be a lot less survivable.

Understeer is a lot less fun if you're intentionally at the limit, but either way if you're operating beyond the limit craps gonna happen.


Stability control damn near killed me or saved me, I still can't decide which.  I was coming around a tight cloverleaf to get on US 50 when it was raining and the road was banked all wrong.  I was in an Infiniti G35x AWD and going the suggested 35 mph around the exit because it was raining so hard.  Right at the bottom of the exit, when you'd normally start to accelerate, there was a puddle that went across the entire road and a pool of gravel that had settled there.

The front end hit the puddle and lost traction first, but then the back end put out like Miley Cyrus at a rapper's house and I was thrown very quickly into a classic oversteer situation:  the back of the car was twisting around a curve much faster than the front.  Since I'm insanely old, I did what I always do - I turned into the skid.  MISTAKE MISTAKE MISTAKE on modern cars with stability control.  At the same time I was correcting for the skid, so was the car, and it was doing it much faster than I ever could.  The car was compensating for the rear wheels, so when the front bit again they bit hard, which threw the back end in the opposite direction, leading me very quickly into another oversteer situation in the opposite direction, which was towards the outside of a cloverleaf turn.  The entire time I was counter-intuitively fighting the car because all it wanted to do was get all four wheels back to a stable state.

That led to yet another massive overcorrection on my part, but since I wasn't going very fast to begin with it ended up being a weird oscillating wobble in multiple directions before I ended up driving along like nothing had happened.

After the tl;dr the lesson is this:  if stability control is on, keeping the wheels pointed where you want to go is the safest option.  The car is going to figure out the best course of action without any help from you.
 
2013-06-11 12:14:06 AM  

Mr. Eugenides: Mister Peejay: Mr. Eugenides: I like how he turns harder to the right after the front wheels start to understeer.

Well if too much don't work, then a little more should do the trick, right?

And people wonder why cars have to have stability control now.  People are idiots.

Something something Ultimate Parking Machine, something something E30s were best BMWs ever, something something oversteer scares passengers but understeer scares drivers.


To be fair, understeer saves lives.  All production cars are designed to understeer at the limit because when you inevitably hit something you hit it mostly head on.  If the car oversteers at the limit then you're going to end up hitting something sideways which tends to be a lot less survivable.

Understeer is a lot less fun if you're intentionally at the limit, but either way if you're operating beyond the limit craps gonna happen.


Tatra. So many Kraut officers got snuffed in them that Hilter declared them verboten for the Wehrmacht.

You think your Corvair has oversteer? Oh dear. You don't like the way your VW bug swings its ass on gravel roads? Tee hee. Take a ride in a Tatra.
 
2013-06-11 12:15:28 AM  
jdawg3k: Maybe if the government stopped putting insanely low speed limits on full-visibility flat highways people would actually pay attention to speed limits.

I just came back from a 300 mile road trip in a rented car because I didn't trust my daily driver to get through a 300 mile (one way) trip in one shot.

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Speed limit = 55 - 65 ... for 60 miles ... in a straight line.

// got pulled over on the first day (going 80), let go with a warning. A few minutes earlier, someone passed me going at least 95.

// Stayed at the limit for the rest of the trip (to the annoyance of all of my fellow drivers) until I was safe and sound out of speed trap country and back into my home state. Sorry to everyone that had to go around me.

// dirt roads are more fun anyway
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2013-06-11 12:15:28 AM  
His turn-ins are all wrong, his apexes are all farked...all of this in an unknown road.

Color me not surprised.
 
2013-06-11 12:21:09 AM  
LOL, here is the Google street view of that stretch of my trip so that you can drive it virtually with me :P
 
2013-06-11 12:38:33 AM  
Poor E46 M3. Too bad the driver didn't get tossed and have the car saved. ;-(

Anyway, here's me in my E36 at PIR - first day out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q98WujQ2EnE">https://www.youtube.com /watch?v=Q98WujQ2EnE
 
2013-06-11 12:43:28 AM  
LikeALeafontheWind:
i had a 99 E36 M3 never did anything anywhere near that stupid with it though. really fun car to drive, but it became a giant money hole.


I also had a late 90's M3 back in the day.  IMHO, the M3 cars from the 90's are far more faithful to the M series racing tradition than the latest overpriced overly heavy luxury car supposed M3 concoctions.

Not that I would refuse a new one...
 
2013-06-11 01:14:46 AM  

neilbradley: Poor E46 M3. Too bad the driver didn't get tossed and have the car saved. ;-(

Anyway, here's me in my E36 at PIR - first day out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q98WujQ2EnE">https://www.youtube.com /watch?v=Q98WujQ2EnE


You drive like my grandma. saying your shifting is conservative is like saying Bush lied to get us into Iraq.
 
2013-06-11 01:25:36 AM  

willfullyobscure: neilbradley: Poor E46 M3. Too bad the driver didn't get tossed and have the car saved. ;-(

Anyway, here's me in my E36 at PIR - first day out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q98WujQ2EnE">https://www.youtube.com /watch?v=Q98WujQ2EnE

You drive like my grandma. saying your shifting is conservative is like saying Bush lied to get us into Iraq.


LOLWUT? You must not be familiar with M3s. Red line every time. Watch the mid-corner redline shift in the last turn.
 
2013-06-11 01:38:43 AM  
I much prefer to fly with my paraglider, thank you.

/ just for fun and only on good weekends
 
2013-06-11 01:39:24 AM  
Why did he have a hairpin in his hair?

Oh, wait, never mind.  He put his greatest fear, into his hair.   Brilliant!!!
 
2013-06-11 01:40:04 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: A Shambling Mound: I'd like to thank that guy for the entertainment. I think $70k is a bit pricey for 30 seconds of my time but hey, who am I to judge?

You have to aggregate every person who was entertained by it. It has about 22,500 views now. If you take the $40k figure provided above, that's $2 for each entertained person.

Still a bit pricy, but it's still cheaper than good beer.


Now is that to help him replace the car, or the lead crew that lays down spike strips for his next foray?  I will do the spike strips for free.
 
2013-06-11 01:55:22 AM  

sat1va: I can only hope there are authorities/insurance familiar with his other videos looking to identify him who now have a write-off collision to do so. People that drive like that, crossing solid lines on public roads, deserve to have their licenses revoked. Go be cool on a track instead of risking everyone's life and wasting tax-payer and insurance company money.


wow. white knighting for insurance companies. who each screw policy holders as much as possible while posting record breaking profits year after year. pull in those reins, enthusiastic right doer.
 
2013-06-11 02:02:29 AM  

Lsherm: Stability control damn near killed me or saved me, I still can't decide which.  I was coming around a tight cloverleaf to get on US 50 when it was raining and the road was banked all wrong.  I was in an Infiniti G35x AWD and going the suggested 35 mph around the exit because it was raining so hard.


That 35 mph that was "suggested" is what to do when conditions are good.  If it's raining hard you should perhaps go a bit slower.

Thanks for putting everyone else in danger.  I don't care if you kill yourself, but if you're on a public road you should learn to drive so you don't hurt anyone else.
 
2013-06-11 02:08:55 AM  

Mister Peejay: it's perceived that if you understeer and crash, you were driving too fast and therefore it's your fault, but if you spin and crash, the car is unsafe and the car was at fault Corvair.


I don't have any criticism of your point in general, but I grew up driving a Corvair and it understeered more than any other car I've ever driven. ...In low traction snow/ice conditions. I've never driven a Corvair, or any car, at high speed on dry pavement. The engine is in back so the front is unusually light, so the front tires don't grip well. Or grip at all, it felt like. (My experience was with the later suspension -- maybe you're right about the initial suspension that made Corvair infamous)
 
2013-06-11 02:15:59 AM  

Mister Peejay: Or, to put it somewhat cynically (albeit with a big grain of truth), it's perceived that if you understeer and crash, you were driving too fast and therefore it's your fault, but if you spin and crash, the car is unsafe and the car was at fault Corvair.


Had a Pontiac Fiero GT w/ V6. It was very rear-end heavy and it easily transitioned from mild understeer to major oversteer by just backing off the throttle at maximum cornering limits. Could be a lot of fun in the right situation, but in the wrong hands it could overpower an inexperienced driver.
 
2013-06-11 02:25:23 AM  
Tut - he should leave 'driving like a dick' to the Audi drivers where it rightfully belongs.
 
2013-06-11 03:07:56 AM  
I hope that BMW was able to get some valuable crash data from the dummy.
 
2013-06-11 04:38:30 AM  
namatad:
what a cliff might look like
[upload.wikimedia.org image 640x480]


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-06-11 04:53:25 AM  
If there had been serious injuries I would have not been so happy about this crash. Don't like seeing people seriously injured but since I am led to believe the driver survived I find this nothing but funny.
 
2013-06-11 06:26:46 AM  
Whoopsie.
 
2013-06-11 06:52:47 AM  
www.blogcdn.com
for... driving off cliffs

4closurefraud.org
cdn-static.zdnet.com
 
2013-06-11 07:25:57 AM  
This shows you how stupid I am:
I thought it was a closed course and an authorized race.
 
2013-06-11 07:34:54 AM  
I shat
 
2013-06-11 08:40:32 AM  
Anyone know who shot/produced/posted the video? It was so well done, I'd like to know, but they never put any identification in the video...
 
2013-06-11 08:43:32 AM  

lordargent: jdawg3k: Maybe if the government stopped putting insanely low speed limits on full-visibility flat highways people would actually pay attention to speed limits.

I just came back from a 300 mile road trip in a rented car because I didn't trust my daily driver to get through a 300 mile (one way) trip in one shot.

[sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x637]

Speed limit = 55 - 65 ... for 60 miles ... in a straight line.

// got pulled over on the first day (going 80), let go with a warning. A few minutes earlier, someone passed me going at least 95.

// Stayed at the limit for the rest of the trip (to the annoyance of all of my fellow drivers) until I was safe and sound out of speed trap country and back into my home state. Sorry to everyone that had to go around me.

// dirt roads are more fun anyway
[fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net image 850x210]


I hear ya...listen up, people:  if your local cops single out out-of-staters for special traffic enforcement, (I'm looking at YOU, Poughkeepsie), don't whine when out-of-staters drive like grandmothers and slow down your commute.

You basically asked for it.
 
2013-06-11 08:50:51 AM  
It's important to take a comprehensive test drive of any car before buying it. He would have been foolish to purchase that car without trying out the airbags first.
 
2013-06-11 09:09:20 AM  

Benjimin_Dover: Here's a tip: Stop crossing double yellows

Spoken by somebody who doesn't understand how to hit the apex of a curve.


It's irresponsible on a public road, especially with all those blind corners.  I'm surprised the accident only involved himself.

/respect a road like a gun, never assume it's empty
 
2013-06-11 09:22:30 AM  
The only speeding i've done on four wheels is on a freeway is 108.  On my old sportbike on the other hand,  I loved taking twisty corners at triple digits.   But you ALWAYS respect the yellow lines or you're asking for a head on with a semi.  Even staying on the inside of a yellow line in a blind corner I'm looking out for dumbasses coming the other way cutting over the line.  Also,  on a sportbike especially, but not sure if it has much effect on cars...  THOSE PAINTED LINES ARE F'N SLIPPERY!
 
2013-06-11 09:30:26 AM  

Mister Peejay: ZAZ: I know a man who was covered when he totalled his car on a race track. Whatever race exclusion his policy had was not broad enough to cover the situation. He knew better to say "I was racing at the race track." He was (as far as I know) honest in his claim, and his honest description didn't sound like a race to the insurer.

I think a practice doesn't count as a race, but once you get formal scoring of finish position it is a race.

There's lots of ways you can enjoy your car on a road course without it being a race.  Open lapping days are one of them.  (Timing equipment is generally forbidden at these)  Another way is to go to a driver's school or High Performance Driving Experience, basically open lapping with an instructor.  (The top tier of HPDEs can have you going out sans instructor, tho)  Since those are "driver's education" then insurance MAY cover you if you spectacularly run out of talent


I like that one. Stealing it.

My dad was a F-15 WSO.  Air Force pilots are told that you can fly on 2 of 3 things: Altitude, Airspeed, and Ideas. Run out of one, you can figure it out.  Run out of two and it's going to be a bad day.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-06-11 09:30:34 AM  
That 35 mph that was "suggested" is what to do when conditions are good.

Suggested speeds for curves and ramps are set in three common ways.

1. Just make up a number.

2. Use a ball bank indicator and put the result into a formula based on what was comfortable for a driver in a 1930s car, 10 degrees of bank indication at higher speed. Bank includes car roll so lateral acceleration is somewhat less than tan(10)≈0.18g.

3. Use the design speed, which is based on about .1 g lateral acceleration.

On clean, dry pavement an unskilled driver in a modern car can go twice the speed set by methods (2) and (3). The first method produces inconsistent results. A survey published about 15 years ago (in Public Roads?) found the speeds were generally useless, but also generally far below the safe speed for the curve.
 
2013-06-11 10:11:29 AM  

Bobo D Monkey: Lots of derp here already.

A Shambling Mound: I'd like to thank that guy for the entertainment. I think $70k is a bit pricey for 30 seconds of my time but hey, who am I to judge?

That's an E46 M3, sold from '02 to '06 its worth $40k max, but probably more like $15k-$20k.

Erix: So why did his side airbag go off before he impacted anything?  I mean, it looks like it certainly did its job, but do they just go off if the car tilts to the side over a certain amount, or what?

Yep, you got it, there are roll sensors that deploy the side curtain airbags (and maybe the others) when the car tilts to a certain angle. Most cars nowadays have a system like that. On some 4x4's you have to pull a fuse so if you go off camber on a trail, the bags won't deploy in your face.


Yep. My wife hit a curb and the car thought it was on 2 wheels then deployed the seat and side curtain airbags plus burned the seat belt pretensioners. The seat airbags pinned her arm into the door and messed it up pretty good.

Took it to Kia who said that was normal. The pulled the black box and the car thought it was on 2 wheels. We had to file it on insurance and it was right at $10,000 to fix.

Here's all the damage the curb did:

i724.photobucket.com

Here's what the air bags did:

i724.photobucket.com
i724.photobucket.com

Here's where her arm got pinned between the seat back airbag and the door.

i724.photobucket.com
 
2013-06-11 10:12:49 AM  

Cletus from Canuckistan: Benjimin_Dover: Spoken by somebody who doesn't understand how to hit the apex of a curve.

Written by someone who doesn't understand what a double yellow means, apparently. It means NOT YOUR FARKING SIDE OF THE ROAD, DUMBASS. often that double yellow signifies a blind hill or curve.i
Apexing on a closed course is fine. Apexing on a twisty two-lane public road is is considered an "improper lane change" at best, more likely "street racing" or "reckless driving".
/"criminal negligence or "vehicular manslaughter" may also apply, should one meet an oncoming car


for all you mamby pamby drivers out there, there is still an apex to hit on your side of the yellow ..

/toe the line
//like to drive fast
///everywhere
 
2013-06-11 10:21:42 AM  

ZAZ: On clean, dry pavement an unskilled driver in a modern car can go twice the speed set by methods (2) and (3). The first method produces inconsistent results. A survey published about 15 years ago (in Public Roads?) found the speeds were generally useless, but also generally far below the safe speed for the curve.


I basically treat those numbers as appropriate for rain, or for large/top-heavy vehicles.
 
2013-06-11 10:30:41 AM  

The Muthaship: What kind of car was it kicking his ass?


Looks like another 3-series... with someone behind the wheel who knew a little better what they were doing.
 
2013-06-11 10:31:19 AM  

reubendaley: numbone: Enter slow, power out and you'll last longer. You can drive like that also.

[i.imgur.com image 400x300]


Let's have a big A Winner Is You dot jpeg for both. Easy to miss that.

Superb.

/could tell that dumbass didn't know how to drive when he skidded on the first turn. Driving faster than skill allows for and being too much of a douchebag to hit the brake in time is a dangerous combination.
 
2013-06-11 10:31:20 AM  
Understeer, sure.... but friends don't let friends early-apex.
 
2013-06-11 10:32:41 AM  

Fubegra: ZAZ: On clean, dry pavement an unskilled driver in a modern car can go twice the speed set by methods (2) and (3). The first method produces inconsistent results. A survey published about 15 years ago (in Public Roads?) found the speeds were generally useless, but also generally far below the safe speed for the curve.

I basically treat those numbers as appropriate for rain, or for large/top-heavy vehicles.


Yeah, those are "don't tip my semi over" speeds.
 
2013-06-11 10:42:19 AM  
I wish I still had pictures of the 2010 M5 that crashed in to one of our rental properties. Long story short guy drifted a right hand banked corner - when the tail came back to the right the tires gripped and launched him across 3 lanes of traffic into the porch of our rental.

Daddy bought him a new one within the month.

I can't stress this enough for rich parrents: give your kids enough to do something but not enough to do nothing.
 
2013-06-11 10:53:37 AM  
I drive a ragtop.  I would have died in that wreck.
 
2013-06-11 11:17:19 AM  

phlegmmo: Mister Peejay: Or, to put it somewhat cynically (albeit with a big grain of truth), it's perceived that if you understeer and crash, you were driving too fast and therefore it's your fault, but if you spin and crash, the car is unsafe and the car was at fault Corvair.

Had a Pontiac Fiero GT w/ V6. It was very rear-end heavy and it easily transitioned from mild understeer to major oversteer by just backing off the throttle at maximum cornering limits. Could be a lot of fun in the right situation, but in the wrong hands it could overpower an inexperienced driver.


My MR2 (Toyota Fiero) has awesome front end grip but definitely over steers.
 
2013-06-11 11:21:09 AM  

Koodz: My MR2 (Toyota Fiero) has awesome front end grip but definitely over steers.


So much cooler than a Fiero.
 
2013-06-11 11:30:04 AM  
Yeah. I found some video of some guy doing 100+ in a Mazda 3. In North Dakota. In winter time. 
Said he did nearly 270 miles in about 3 hours 15 minutes, and averaged 22MPG for that run.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvRhqU0_uGA

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2013-06-11 11:40:56 AM  

The Muthaship: Koodz: My MR2 (Toyota Fiero) has awesome front end grip but definitely over steers.

So much cooler than a Fiero.


I miss it. It's in the body shop for its third crash, and I've never been in the driver's seat for one of them. SUV drivers can't SEE the little bastard, and to date it has been backed over by a Suburban, an Excursion, and an Escape. Im really tired of sitting in a restaurant and having rednecks wander in to ask, "Who drives yhe little silver car?".

It's fun to actually be behind the wheel dodging the things though.
 
2013-06-11 11:52:40 AM  

gfid: Lsherm: Stability control damn near killed me or saved me, I still can't decide which.  I was coming around a tight cloverleaf to get on US 50 when it was raining and the road was banked all wrong.  I was in an Infiniti G35x AWD and going the suggested 35 mph around the exit because it was raining so hard.

That 35 mph that was "suggested" is what to do when conditions are good.  If it's raining hard you should perhaps go a bit slower.

Thanks for putting everyone else in danger.  I don't care if you kill yourself, but if you're on a public road you should learn to drive so you don't hurt anyone else.


Dude, I wasn't driving like an asshole, which is what you're being right now.  If there wasn't a kiddie pool of water at the bottom of the ramp, which I couldn't see until I was on it, I was well within the limits of normal daily driving.  There was a section of guardrail already dented from what I assume was someone else running into the same problem.
 
2013-06-11 12:52:09 PM  

The Muthaship: Koodz: My MR2 (Toyota Fiero) has awesome front end grip but definitely over steers.

So much cooler than a Fiero.


Cheap imitation. Not cooler.
 
2013-06-11 12:52:49 PM  

bopis: The Muthaship: Koodz: My MR2 (Toyota Fiero) has awesome front end grip but definitely over steers.

So much cooler than a Fiero.

Cheap imitation. Not cooler.


Cheap imitation of a cheap imitation?

We're through the looking glass, people.
 
2013-06-11 02:25:59 PM  

Cletus from Canuckistan: Apexing on a closed course is fine. Apexing on a twisty two-lane public road is is considered an "improper lane change" at best, more likely "street racing" or "reckless driving".
/"criminal negligence or "vehicular manslaughter" may also apply, should one meet an oncoming car


You can add "reckless endangerment" to the list of criminal charges, which has the added advantage of being a Felony in most states.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-06-11 02:37:02 PM  
In my state that would be reckless driving, a misdemeanor. The guideline sentence for a first offense is probation. The maximum is two years in jail. (We don't follow the 1 year = felony rule.) If he killed somebody he could get misdemeanor or felony charges. In most cases only drunks face felony charges, but if a street race kills a pretty girl or somebody fleeing police takes out an innocent bystander the prosecutor will indict for manslaughter.
 
2013-06-11 03:37:38 PM  
In a fast German car....I'm amazed that I survived. An airbag saved my life....
 
2013-06-11 04:06:22 PM  

lordargent: got pulled over on the first day


If it's so straight and flat that you feel like you can just fly along like a maniac, how did you not see the cop?
 
2013-06-11 05:28:14 PM  

MrSteve007: While it wasn't caught on video, a few months ago I was touring in the Mediterranean; a couple of Germans were riding their motorcycles


that brain bucket looks pretty gory
 
2013-06-11 05:29:30 PM  
It's hard to see cops through red shift.
 
2013-06-11 05:32:28 PM  

Fubegra: [fubegra.net image 409x389]


Came for this, leaving satisfied.
 
2013-06-11 06:02:19 PM  

skozlaw: lordargent: got pulled over on the first day

If it's so straight and flat that you feel like you can just fly along like a maniac, how did you not see the cop?


Going to repeat a CSB I posted long ago:

Mid 80's, my best buddy and I were driving from San Diego to Yuma to see the Padres in spring training, I had just put a new engine in my '73 Celica GT, I wanted to show it off, we came out of the mountains and hit the desert floor...7AM, nobody was there, petal to the metal.

After about 10 minutes, we saw a bridge off in the distance...then there was a dot under the bridge...I backed off hard, but it was too late. The dot was a CHP standing in the middle of the road, waving us over with a towel. Oh shiat.

I pull over, roll down the window, and in my most innocent voice, say: "Is there a problem, sir?"

"You're GODDAMN RIGHT there's a problem! Air radar clocked you at 112!"

"Oh...um...am I going to jail?"

He took my paperwork. "We'll see, sit tight." 70 or over was an automatic reckless driving conviction back then.

My license came up clean, and he headed back to us...we were both wearing Padres caps.

"You guys going to Yuma?"

(in unison) "Yes, sir"

"Tell ya what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna write you up for 69, but you have to drive 60 or less all the way to Yuma. Make NO mistake, I'm radioing ahead, and if you get caught you are GOING. TO. JAIL. Got me?"

"Yes, sir. Thank you sir."

He handed me the ticket. "Have a good weekend. Go Padres."

I drove 55 the rest of the way.
 
2013-06-11 06:29:02 PM  

studebaker hoch: It's hard to see cops through red shift.


I thought you'd want to see them when you're traveling towards them and they're blue shifted. If they're red shifted you're driving away.
 
2013-06-11 06:36:22 PM  

lohphat: Benjimin_Dover: Here's a tip: Stop crossing double yellows

Spoken by somebody who doesn't understand how to hit the apex of a curve ON A RACE TRACK.

The public roads aren't a private track to "hit the apex of a curve".


I agree, except the writer of the article wasn't talking about obeying the law.  He was talking about driving ability and the capabilities of the car.
 
2013-06-11 06:37:25 PM  

lordargent: Benjimin_Dover: Spoken by somebody who doesn't understand how to hit the apex of a curve.

On a second rewatch, he'shiatting the apex of jack and shiat and is just wavering around on the road even in fairly straight sections.

Erix: So why did his side airbag go off before he impacted anything?

On a second rewatch, he shears a signpost in the front, and his front driver side tire hits a raised portion of rocks.


Ya.  The driver is lacks any skill.
 
2013-06-11 06:38:24 PM  

Cletus from Canuckistan: Benjimin_Dover: Spoken by somebody who doesn't understand how to hit the apex of a curve.

Written by someone who doesn't understand what a double yellow means, apparently. It means NOT YOUR FARKING SIDE OF THE ROAD, DUMBASS. often that double yellow signifies a blind hill or curve.i
Apexing on a closed course is fine. Apexing on a twisty two-lane public road is is considered an "improper lane change" at best, more likely "street racing" or "reckless driving".
/"criminal negligence or "vehicular manslaughter" may also apply, should one meet an oncoming car


Nothing you said is unreasonable.
 
2013-06-11 06:42:12 PM  

Mock26: Benjimin_Dover: Here's a tip: Stop crossing double yellows

Spoken by somebody who doesn't understand how to hit the apex of a curve.

If it was a closed course then your point would be valid.  But on a public road where someone could be coming the other way, well, take your apex of a curve and shove it up your arse.


Sometimes your apex will be the double yellow and sometimes it will be farther over.  How far ahead you can see will determine it.
 
2013-06-11 07:58:27 PM  
MadMattressMack

studebaker hoch: It's hard to see cops through red shift.

I thought you'd want to see them when you're traveling towards them and they're blue shifted. If they're red shifted you're driving away.


Well THAT might explain why I keep getting tickets.

Oh, and:

ibankcoin.com

/  What we're dealing with here is a complete lack of respect for the law.
 
2013-06-11 08:36:10 PM  
This doesn't seem right.  I've been informed by others here on Fark that unlike my pos solid axle Mustang whose steering wheel is permanently fixed in a straight line position making even the slightest turn impossible, BMWs are unholy handling machines that magically stick to the road and could make a 90 degree turn on ice at 200mph.
 
2013-06-11 08:44:55 PM  
bingo the psych-o:
/respect a road like a gun, never assume it's empty

I like that so much that I'm going to steal it.
 
2013-06-11 08:55:37 PM  

bopis: The Muthaship: Koodz: My MR2 (Toyota Fiero) has awesome front end grip but definitely over steers.

So much cooler than a Fiero.

Cheap imitation. Not cooler.


The Fiero was nickel and dimed by the beancounters into a complete turd because the people who thought it up sold the car as a "economy commuter" car.  Economy means cheap to GM since if you made economy cars nice then there's no reason to get a luxury car.

Toyota said, hey, let's do this right.

So one car weighed 2800lb, had a turd of a suspension in the front, a turd of a suspension in the back, neither of which worked well with each other, a turd of a shift linkage going to a turd of a transmission attached to the Holy Mother of Turd of an engine.  And the interior ergonomics sucked - besides the handbrake on the wrong side, the center console that would make a HMMWV blush, and general lack of space, the steering shaft went between the brake and throttle to make sporting driving just about impossible.

The other car, on the other hand, was far lighter, had a good front suspension, a decent rear suspension, fun chassis dynamics, good interior layout, room for even someone of my lofty height to drive comfortably (a rarity for an '80s Japanese car!), a good shifter attached to a decent trans, and the kicker is that it came with the 4A-GE engine which was Toyota's copy of Ford/Cosworth's incredible BDA engine.  When Toyota was developing the engine, one of the specs was that the engine had to be able to accelerate from idle to redline in one second when in neutral.  Makes for a fun engine to play with the gears.  I don't think the "Tech 4" could do that if you dropped redline to 3000rpm.
 
2013-06-11 09:22:24 PM  

StrangeQ: This doesn't seem right.  I've been informed by others here on Fark that unlike my pos solid axle Mustang whose steering wheel is permanently fixed in a straight line position making even the slightest turn impossible, BMWs are unholy handling machines that magically stick to the road and could make a 90 degree turn on ice at 200mph.




There is no point in talking to people who state that live axle cars cannot handle well. Sure, a good IRS is better than a good live axle, but there is much more to it than that, as as Mark Stielow shows here.
 
Al!
2013-06-11 09:23:11 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: Mock26: Benjimin_Dover: Here's a tip: Stop crossing double yellows

Spoken by somebody who doesn't understand how to hit the apex of a curve.

If it was a closed course then your point would be valid.  But on a public road where someone could be coming the other way, well, take your apex of a curve and shove it up your arse.

Sometimes your apex will be the double yellow and sometimes it will be farther over.  How far ahead you can see will determine it.


We could go even further and state that sometimes your apex is off the right side of the road, and sometimes it is off the left.  What's that?  Driving on the shoulder isn't what you'd prefer?  Why do you avoid the shoulder, then, when sometimes the proper apex would be in the dirt?  Treat the yellow line like you would treat the dirt and you'll never be surprised by someone hiding in the oncoming lane.  Picture the road as being just wide enough to fit your lane.  Imagine that crossing the yellow line would put tires in the dirt.  Now where is the apex of your turn?  I bet it isn't in the oncoming lane.  It takes more skill to drive the wheels off your car and stay in your lane than anything that involves going into the oncoming lane.
 
2013-06-11 09:31:41 PM  
Repo Man:
There is no point in talking to people who state that live axle cars cannot handle well. Sure, a good IRS is better than a good live axle, but there is much more to it than that, as as Mark Stielow shows here.

I firmly believe that live axle cars can handle better than IRS.  Mine sure as hell does.  Driving my car back to back with a Miata, I found that my car felt more stable and you could actually put the power down because, unlike IRS, you can get a good deal of anti-squat with a stick axle.  This drives the tires into the ground over rough areas and inhibits traction loss.

I mean, sure, on a smooth road, maybe, but on a smooth road you practically don't need any suspension at all.  Plus smooth roads are damned boring.

I can't think of one front-engined stage rally car with IRS that was competitive with live axle cars, when RWD was the predominant platform.

IRS is very good at increasing interior room, I'll give it that.
 
2013-06-11 09:51:07 PM  
skozlaw: If it's so straight and flat that you feel like you can just fly along like a maniac, how did you not see the cop?

They use radar that just tells them the speed of vehicles (so no radar guns). He was in the oncoming lane, and there was a large vehicle in front of him. So while I could see for miles down my own lane, my view of his lane was temporarily blocked as I went by the large vehicle.

And poof, there he was, right behind it.

He pulled a U turn (Which is practically unheard in CA - police here like to get behind you to get your speed, or use radar guns).

All I know is that for the 8 days I was on vacation, I was driving like a granny (and since I was on vacation, I was in no hurry to get anywhere).

// Here in CA, 80 in a 65 is leisurely commuting. I copied the below from the transit monitoring site, it gives traffic speeds (averaged across all lanes).

N/O 15 75 mph
15 75 mph

S/O 15 66 mph
Home Ave 65 mph
94 WB Connector 68 mph


Note that for two of the readouts, the average speed is already 10 MPH over the limit. When you consider this includes the truck lane (where semis are limited to 55), then you can imagine what the actual speeds are in the #1 "fast" lane.

and I suspect the cap is 75. So even if the avg was above that, that's the max they would show //conspiracy theory//

// stretches of the I15 north, the limit is 70 and people go 90. I stay in the #2 lane for those trips.
 
2013-06-11 10:11:58 PM  

KrispyKritter: sat1va: I can only hope there are authorities/insurance familiar with his other videos looking to identify him who now have a write-off collision to do so. People that drive like that, crossing solid lines on public roads, deserve to have their licenses revoked. Go be cool on a track instead of risking everyone's life and wasting tax-payer and insurance company money.

wow. white knighting for insurance companies. who each screw policy holders as much as possible while posting record breaking profits year after year. pull in those reins, enthusiastic right doer.


I'm not white-knighting for insurance companies. I spent 8 years of my life reconstructing over 400 motor vehicle collisions for insurance companies, lawyers, municipalities and two provinces. Insurance adjusters are the bottom of the barrel, I maintain that lawyers are less scum than insurance adjusters. I left the industry because of how disgusted I was with adjusters. I miss the work but I don't miss watching otherwise seemingly good people twist their ethics to save a company some money. If you are an adjuster, or know one, help them get out of that line of work and save their soul. That being said, I legally have to own insurance to drive, and the more douche bags that write off their vehicles stunting, the more everyone else has to pay in the end to cover it. When I was a young male having to pay $2500/year for insurance with a clean record I thought it was ludicrous. When I began working in forensics I realized very soon why my demographic was paying that much money because who else was going to cover the millions upon millions in property damage and medical bills young males were causing disproportionately just in the small slice of collisions I investigated.

/I've seen too many dead kids
 
2013-06-12 01:32:52 AM  

chewielouie: [clatl.com image 400x598]


ah the elusive white BMW, official chariot of the douchebag(TM)
 
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