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2013-06-11 09:53:06 AM  
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Run-Pass option.  I think that's my game.
 
2013-06-11 10:16:10 AM  

garron: Tebow haters really have no idea how irrational and bigoted they sound.  There is no sound reasoning in their arguments and no facts to back up their accusations of his incompetence
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Here are the completion percentages and win/loss records for the first year of several "top" quarterbacks compared to Tebow:

Player                         Completion               W/L Record
John Elway                    47.5%                         4-6
Payton Manning             56.7%                         3-13
Troy Aikman                   52.9%                         0-11
Terry Bradshaw              38.1%                         3-5
Joe Namath                    48.2%                         3-5-1
Tim Tebow                      46.5%                         7-4

Tebow earned the right and has demonstrated the ability to excel at the NFL level as much as any of these guys did in their first year.  The attacks on this kid are irrational and based simply on hatred and bigotry.


So you're using Tebow's second year stats and comparing them to "top" (sic) quarterbacks' rookie years?

Seems legit.
 
2013-06-11 10:29:07 AM  
The contrast between salivating, priapismal journalists and barely-conscious Belichick at the resulting press conference should be glorious.
 
2013-06-11 10:34:01 AM  

CavalierEternal: If Tom Brady is God, then what does that make Eli Manning?


a winning QB that no one cares about?
 
2013-06-11 10:43:57 AM  

Wadded Beef: So you're using Tebow's second year stats and comparing them to "top" (sic) quarterbacks' rookie years?

Seems legit.


Also, cherry picking one individual stat and W-L hardly seems fair.  Football isn't suited to limited sabermetric analysis.  Completion percentage, while important, doesn't correlate well enough with W-L to mean anything.  Especially since a completion can be a 15 yard laser beam splitting two defenders or it could be hitting a WR running a 3 yard hook.

The difference between Tebow and "top" quarterbacks is that when you watch them play, you can see the skill set of a quarterback in action.  When you watch Tebow play you ask yourself why you're watching a fullback try to pass when he clearly isn't familiar with the concept of even throwing a spiral.
 
2013-06-11 10:51:41 AM  

Wadded Beef: So you're using Tebow's second year stats and comparing them to "top" (sic) quarterbacks' rookie years?

Seems legit.


How many games did he start in his first season?

One of my big gripes against the Tebow criticism is that people were calling him a bust in 2011, where even though he played several games as a starter, he ended up starting less games than Christian Ponder... in fact. Christian Ponder, in just that season alone, started more games than Tebow has in 3 years in the NFL.

I always said that had the Jets allowed him to start once it was obvious the season was not salvageable and Mark Sanchez was not gonna get any better, it would have made it easier to judge Tebow fairly... If he would win games for the Jets, then good, if he would lose them, then good as well. At least you would have a better sampling size to judge him properly, otherwise it will be hard to shake the image there was something special going on for Tebow in 2011, specially with that playoff win against the Steelers.

At this point, Tebow has as many playoff wins as Romo, and is the last Broncos QB with a playoff win since Jake Plummer.

Just saying...
 
2013-06-11 10:52:48 AM  
I'll give Belichick credit for this press conference - he seems to be the only person in the room who understands that signing a backup QB isn't worth discussing at length.
 
2013-06-11 10:56:50 AM  
Who cares? Pats are still favored to win the SB...again
 
2013-06-11 10:57:29 AM  
Dinobot:

One of my big gripes against the Tebow criticism is that people were calling him a bust in 2011, where even though he played several games as a starter, he ended up starting less games than Christian Ponder... in fact. Christian Ponder, in just that season alone, started more games than Tebow has in 3 years in the NFL.

I always said that had the Jets allowed him to start once it was obvious the season was not salvageable and Mark Sanchez was not gonna get any better, it would have made it easier to judge Tebow fairly... If he would win games for the Jets, then good, if he would lose them, then good as well. At least you would have a better sampling size to judge him properly, otherwise it will be hard to shake the image there was something special going on for Tebow in 2011, specially with that playoff win against the Steelers.

At this point, Tebow has as many playoff wins as Romo, and is the last Broncos QB with a playoff win since Jake Plummer.

Just saying...


1.  Why is it hard to shake the image from the win over the Steelers but easy to shake the image from the atrocious playing against the Patriots the week after or the three games before the Steelers for that matter?

2. What about judging Greg McElroy fairly?
 
2013-06-11 11:10:29 AM  

Hang On Voltaire: 1.  Why is it hard to shake the image from the win over the Steelers but easy to shake the image from the atrocious playing against the Patriots the week after or the three games before the Steelers for that matter?


Because It was obvious to everyone that the Patriots were gonna steamroll them, regardless of how good Tebow would play. But in the Steelers, even though many people were saying the Steelers were gonna win, people did concede the Broncos had a fighting chance and then comes the Dragon to Thomas to open OT. (I called it right before the OT started. =P)

it just has a lot of elements that would make a good narrative, which is why it sticks with people.

The Jets screwed themselves in the first place with the QB drama. And I do feel bad for McElroy, but I feel worse for Tebow.
 
2013-06-11 11:25:15 AM  
Dinobot:
Because It was obvious to everyone that the Patriots were gonna steamroll them, regardless of how good Tebow would play. But in the Steelers, even though many people were saying the Steelers were gonna win, people did concede the Broncos had a fighting chance and then comes the Dragon to Thomas to open OT. (I called it right before the OT started. =P)

it just has a lot of elements that would make a good narrative, which is why it sticks with people.

The Jets screwed themselves in the first place with the QB drama. And I do feel bad for McElroy, but I feel worse for Tebow.


Tebow had one of, if not the, worst QB rating in the league.  He was below 50% completions against the Steelers and he was something like 30% against the Pats.  He is a terrible QB.  My point about McElroy is that Tebow was given a fair chance with the Jets.  It's called practice sessions.
 
2013-06-11 11:38:58 AM  

Hang On Voltaire: Dinobot:
Because It was obvious to everyone that the Patriots were gonna steamroll them, regardless of how good Tebow would play. But in the Steelers, even though many people were saying the Steelers were gonna win, people did concede the Broncos had a fighting chance and then comes the Dragon to Thomas to open OT. (I called it right before the OT started. =P)

it just has a lot of elements that would make a good narrative, which is why it sticks with people.

The Jets screwed themselves in the first place with the QB drama. And I do feel bad for McElroy, but I feel worse for Tebow.

Tebow had one of, if not the, worst QB rating in the league.  He was below 50% completions against the Steelers and he was something like 30% against the Pats.  He is a terrible QB.  My point about McElroy is that Tebow was given a fair chance with the Jets.  It's called practice sessions.


Tebow, in 2012, had a 75% completion, and a 84.9% QBR in the limited time he saw action for the Jets. Sanchez had a 54.3% completion and a 66.9 QBR

Also, yeah, in 2011, he had a below 50% completion rate, but his QBR was higher than several other QBs, including Sam Bradford and Chris Ponder.
 
2013-06-11 11:47:18 AM  

Dinobot: Tebow, in 2012, had a 75% completion, and a 84.9% QBR in the limited time he saw action for the Jets. Sanchez had a 54.3% completion and a 66.9 QBR


I think you have to look at the playcalling.  I don't have any specific stats but did the offensive co-ordinator call a different game when Tebow was in than when Sanchez was in?

Just for the sake of argument, back when Dante Culpepper was throwing to Randy Moss there would be a different expectation of completion percentage than a team that say... relied on short passes to Priest Holmes.  It's  risk vs. reward scenario and doesn't scale when you deal with dissimilar personnel in dissimilar offensive systems.

The real way to judge a quarterback is to watch him play and assess what value he adds or subtracts from the team.  You could make the argument that a big part of Tebow's success in Denver was good defensive play when he wasn't on the field.
 
2013-06-11 11:50:15 AM  

orange whip: Who cares? Pats are still favored to win the SB...again


You'd think sports people would learn that even an historically good offense can get shut down by a good defense.  And if your defense is barely serviceable......

Right, Pittsburgh?
 
2013-06-11 11:52:07 AM  
Dinobot:

Tebow, in 2012, had a 75% completion, and a 84.9% QBR in the limited time he saw action for the Jets. Sanchez had a 54.3% completion and a 66.9 QBR


LOL, he threw 8 passes, and had 4.9 Y/A.  It's much easier to complete short passes. His passing numbers from 2012 are worthless, and the fact you're bringing them pretty shows that you know there is no real defense for Tim Tebow as a starting QB.
 
2013-06-11 12:03:27 PM  
Dinobot:

Tebow, in 2012, had a 75% completion, and a 84.9% QBR in the limited time he saw action for the Jets. Sanchez had a 54.3% completion and a 66.9 QBR

Also, yeah, in 2011, he had a below 50% completion rate, but his QBR was higher than several other QBs, including Sam Bradford and Chris Ponder.


You are correct about Tebows 2012 completion percentage and QBR and based on those two stats from his 6 completions on 8 attempts FOR THE YEAR he was literally the best QB in the NFL.  Where did he finish in the MVP voting?  Andrew Luck had more passing yards in the 2nd quarter of his first game last year than Tebow had all year.  As for 2011, Tebow had the worst completion percentage in the NFL
 
2013-06-11 12:09:45 PM  

Hang On Voltaire: As for 2011, Tebow had the worst completion percentage in the NFL


I dont think I denied that in my post. Just saying that the Jets should have used him more once the season was pretty much unsalvageable -- I mean, he did a better job with the Broncos than Orton, maybe he could have done a better job than Sanchez as well.
 
2013-06-11 12:48:13 PM  

Hang On Voltaire: Dinobot:

One of my big gripes against the Tebow criticism is that people were calling him a bust in 2011, where even though he played several games as a starter, he ended up starting less games than Christian Ponder... in fact. Christian Ponder, in just that season alone, started more games than Tebow has in 3 years in the NFL.

I always said that had the Jets allowed him to start once it was obvious the season was not salvageable and Mark Sanchez was not gonna get any better, it would have made it easier to judge Tebow fairly... If he would win games for the Jets, then good, if he would lose them, then good as well. At least you would have a better sampling size to judge him properly, otherwise it will be hard to shake the image there was something special going on for Tebow in 2011, specially with that playoff win against the Steelers.

At this point, Tebow has as many playoff wins as Romo, and is the last Broncos QB with a playoff win since Jake Plummer.

Just saying...

1.  Why is it hard to shake the image from the win over the Steelers but easy to shake the image from the atrocious playing against the Patriots the week after or the three games before the Steelers for that matter?

2. What about judging Greg McElroy fairly?


Lest anyone forget: McElroy playing a game in college
 
2013-06-11 12:50:54 PM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: Hang On Voltaire: Dinobot:

One of my big gripes against the Tebow criticism is that people were calling him a bust in 2011, where even though he played several games as a starter, he ended up starting less games than Christian Ponder... in fact. Christian Ponder, in just that season alone, started more games than Tebow has in 3 years in the NFL.

I always said that had the Jets allowed him to start once it was obvious the season was not salvageable and Mark Sanchez was not gonna get any better, it would have made it easier to judge Tebow fairly... If he would win games for the Jets, then good, if he would lose them, then good as well. At least you would have a better sampling size to judge him properly, otherwise it will be hard to shake the image there was something special going on for Tebow in 2011, specially with that playoff win against the Steelers.

At this point, Tebow has as many playoff wins as Romo, and is the last Broncos QB with a playoff win since Jake Plummer.

Just saying...

1.  Why is it hard to shake the image from the win over the Steelers but easy to shake the image from the atrocious playing against the Patriots the week after or the three games before the Steelers for that matter?

2. What about judging Greg McElroy fairly?

Lest anyone forget: McElroy playing a game in college


Freakin' YouTube that link should be: Link
 
2013-06-11 01:06:55 PM  

Dinobot: Wadded Beef: So you're using Tebow's second year stats and comparing them to "top" (sic) quarterbacks' rookie years?

Seems legit.

How many games did he start in his first season?

One of my big gripes against the Tebow criticism is that people were calling him a bust in 2011, where even though he played several games as a starter, he ended up starting less games than Christian Ponder... in fact. Christian Ponder, in just that season alone, started more games than Tebow has in 3 years in the NFL.

I always said that had the Jets allowed him to start once it was obvious the season was not salvageable and Mark Sanchez was not gonna get any better, it would have made it easier to judge Tebow fairly... If he would win games for the Jets, then good, if he would lose them, then good as well. At least you would have a better sampling size to judge him properly, otherwise it will be hard to shake the image there was something special going on for Tebow in 2011, specially with that playoff win against the Steelers.

At this point, Tebow has as many playoff wins as Romo, and is the last Broncos QB with a playoff win since Jake Plummer.

Just saying...


Ahem, if I may?  Measuring playoff wins as an individual accomplishment is faulty. You can either talk team or individual. Don't mix them up.
 
2013-06-11 01:49:32 PM  

jayhawk88: Do you get the feeling the only reason Hoodie did this, is so he can get Tebow a TD when the Pats play the Jets, and Rex will have to answer questions from the NY media about it for a week?


lulz
 
2013-06-11 02:00:33 PM  

Di Atribe: Dinobot: Wadded Beef: So you're using Tebow's second year stats and comparing them to "top" (sic) quarterbacks' rookie years?

Seems legit.

How many games did he start in his first season?

One of my big gripes against the Tebow criticism is that people were calling him a bust in 2011, where even though he played several games as a starter, he ended up starting less games than Christian Ponder... in fact. Christian Ponder, in just that season alone, started more games than Tebow has in 3 years in the NFL.

I always said that had the Jets allowed him to start once it was obvious the season was not salvageable and Mark Sanchez was not gonna get any better, it would have made it easier to judge Tebow fairly... If he would win games for the Jets, then good, if he would lose them, then good as well. At least you would have a better sampling size to judge him properly, otherwise it will be hard to shake the image there was something special going on for Tebow in 2011, specially with that playoff win against the Steelers.

At this point, Tebow has as many playoff wins as Romo, and is the last Broncos QB with a playoff win since Jake Plummer.

Just saying...

Ahem, if I may?  Measuring playoff wins as an individual accomplishment is faulty. You can either talk team or individual. Don't mix them up.


The notion that Tebow "wasn't judged fairly" is absurd. A basic eye test will tell you he lacks precision and has issues with a slower release than a guest at Guantanamo. Local radio here (Denver) from Bronco insiders went into some detail on how he wasn't able to read defenses and make audibles to avoid disastrous plays. And the Broncos were even forced to go as far as to revamp the entire playbook for Tebow. In short, anybody else with this much baggage would have been cut after their rookie year.

And he couldn't get on the field with the diseased Jets? That's pretty telling.
 
2013-06-11 02:01:47 PM  

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Tebow Hater/Lover aside...I am pretty sure the coaches/GM's in the NFL value winning above everything else, and if a guy can get it done on the field they will give them every chance.


I can see why DeWayneMann stays away from football threads. His head would explode.
 
2013-06-11 02:31:16 PM  

Wadded Beef: The notion that Tebow "wasn't judged fairly" is absurd. A basic eye test will tell you he lacks precision and has issues with a slower release than a guest at Guantanamo. Local radio here (Denver) from Bronco insiders went into some detail on how he wasn't able to read defenses and make audibles to avoid disastrous plays. And the Broncos were even forced to go as far as to revamp the entire playbook for Tebow. In short, anybody else with this much baggage would have been cut after their rookie year.

And he couldn't get on the field with the diseased Jets? That's pretty telling.


Oh I agree completely. Which is why saying, "But Tebow has a playoff win!" isn't telling at all to me. The BRONCOS got a playoff win. I've seen lots of people in the past 24 hours laud Tebow as someone who "just wins." That's crap. I laugh at them. For all the reasons you listed.

Also, LOL @ "slower release than a guest at Guantanamo." Well well well played.
 
2013-06-11 02:43:56 PM  
If anyone or any team will knock the "Look at me, I'm special" right out of you, it's Coach Hoodie and the Patriots.
 
2013-06-11 03:11:34 PM  

No Line For Beer: If anyone or any team will knock the "Look at me, I'm special" right out of you, it's Coach Hoodie and the Patriots.


But Timmy really does seems special.  Oh, you mean a different kind.
 
2013-06-11 03:17:40 PM  

Di Atribe: Which is why saying, "But Tebow has a playoff win!" isn't telling at all to me.


I can't believe I'm going to defend Tony Romo, even in a lukewarm fashion, but here goes.

Tony Romo hasn't come even remotely close to being as awful as Tim Tebow was in his playoff loss.  The guy was 9-for-26 and got blown out 45-10 in New England.  If his defenders get to say "he's got one playoff win" we get to say that he's also played one of the worst playoff games in the history of the forward pass.  The only reason he didn't throw any interceptions is that he's so inaccurate that his passes end up in the 3rd row of the mezzanine.
 
2013-06-11 03:41:35 PM  

Di Atribe: Wadded Beef: The notion that Tebow "wasn't judged fairly" is absurd. A basic eye test will tell you he lacks precision and has issues with a slower release than a guest at Guantanamo. Local radio here (Denver) from Bronco insiders went into some detail on how he wasn't able to read defenses and make audibles to avoid disastrous plays. And the Broncos were even forced to go as far as to revamp the entire playbook for Tebow. In short, anybody else with this much baggage would have been cut after their rookie year.

And he couldn't get on the field with the diseased Jets? That's pretty telling.

Oh I agree completely. Which is why saying, "But Tebow has a playoff win!" isn't telling at all to me. The BRONCOS got a playoff win. I've seen lots of people in the past 24 hours laud Tebow as someone who "just wins." That's crap. I laugh at them. For all the reasons you listed.

Also, LOL @ "slower release than a guest at Guantanamo." Well well well played.


Hee! Anyway, I don't hate the kid, I hate the whining and unwillingness by his followers to see that the emperor wears no clothes.

And Tony Romo is grossly underrated.
 
2013-06-11 05:13:03 PM  
Tony Romo also spend the entire length of Tim Tebow's career sitting on the bench learning about the NFL.
 
2013-06-11 05:17:18 PM  

bel4sucks: Tony Romo also spend the entire length of Tim Tebow's career sitting on the bench learning about the NFL.


Also Tony Romo throws like a quarterback, not a WR during a busted trick play.
 
2013-06-11 05:36:39 PM  

Mercutio74: bel4sucks: Tony Romo also spend the entire length of Tim Tebow's career sitting on the bench learning about the NFL.

Also Tony Romo throws like a quarterback, not a WR during a busted trick play.


It's not even about sitting and learning anymore. It's a win-now league and if you have the tools then you're on the field. I give you RGIII, Andrew Luck, Andy Dalton, Cam Newton, Colin Kaepernick and Russell Wilson. Except for Kaepernick all have been starting since day one and all are arguably the stars of the next decade.
 
2013-06-11 06:24:34 PM  

Wadded Beef: It's not even about sitting and learning anymore. It's a win-now league and if you have the tools then you're on the field. I give you RGIII, Andrew Luck, Andy Dalton, Cam Newton, Colin Kaepernick and Russell Wilson. Except for Kaepernick all have been starting since day one and all are arguably the stars of the next decade.


LOL this is crap, it's at best a stretch.  You've got no clue who is sitting on the bench right now who will emerge as the next superstar and also have no idea how any of those players will pan out.  The Patriots were smart to do what Elway's ego wouldn't let him.  There's a good chance it comes back to bite them in the ass too, decisions made like that usually do.

Mercutio74: Also Tony Romo throws like a quarterback, not a WR during a busted trick play.


LOLOLOLOLOL and what's it's gotten him or his team?
 
2013-06-11 06:38:33 PM  

bel4sucks: LOLOLOLOLOL and what's it's gotten him or his team?


Fark all, because the Cowboys have a crap team.  I'm not saying that Romo's a great QB, but he's competent... certainly he lacked the skills to polish the Dallas turd into a diamond.

What we saw with Tebow in Denver is what happens when you put a crap quarterback on the field with a pretty good team.

But that's the problem with assuming that a QB's performance 1:1 correlates with a team's success.  A weak QB can be pretty glaring, more so than a weak OLB, for example, but you can still win with a weak QB.  It's very difficult to win with an average to good QB and a weak everything else.
 
rka
2013-06-11 07:36:03 PM  

bel4sucks: LOLOLOLOLOL and what's it's gotten him or his team?


A damn sight better contract than 2 years and 0 money guaranteed.d

0 money guaranteed? In the NFL? Unheard of for anyone other than scrubs and no-hopers....oh wait.
 
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