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(Yorkshire Post)   Not news: car is impounded due to mistake on insurance form. Still not news: after two days at impound, police conduct a search of the vehicle. Fark: They found "two shotguns, swords, knives, a nail bomb and a partially-assembled pipe bomb"   (yorkshirepost.co.uk) divider line 28
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2013-06-10 11:57:29 AM
But no Creedence tapes.
 
2013-06-10 11:58:49 AM
Yeah, I know TFD can be a dangerous place, but that's a bit unnecessary
 
2013-06-10 12:26:20 PM
Shoot, a fella' could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all that stuff.
 
2013-06-10 01:00:06 PM
So the cops can just search tge car without any probable cause or a warrant?

/dnrtfa
 
2013-06-10 01:01:43 PM

The more you eat the more you fart: So the cops can just search tge car without any probable cause or a warrant?

/dnrtfa


Well, it is England after all.
 
2013-06-10 01:02:53 PM
I dunno, is that Fark?  Sounds like it just makes it to "meh news" for me.
 
2013-06-10 01:05:48 PM
"supporters of the defendants shouted "Allahu Akbar". "


I think I have a pretty good guess which people the police will be keeping a close eye on in the future.......
 
2013-06-10 01:06:16 PM

The more you eat the more you fart: So the cops can just search tge car without any probable cause or a warrant?

/dnrtfa


I'm sure on this side of the pond, a search incident to impoundment--for the safety of police and impound workers--would be allowable.  The same logic would probably hold up over there, too.
 
2013-06-10 01:09:45 PM

NightSteel: The more you eat the more you fart: So the cops can just search tge car without any probable cause or a warrant?

/dnrtfa

I'm sure on this side of the pond, a search incident to impoundment--for the safety of police and impound workers--would be allowable.  The same logic would probably hold up over there, too.


Make taking "Inventory of contents" as SOP on impoundment and BAM, no search warrants needed.
 
2013-06-10 01:09:56 PM

NightSteel: The more you eat the more you fart: So the cops can just search tge car without any probable cause or a warrant?

/dnrtfa

I'm sure on this side of the pond, a search incident to impoundment--for the safety of police and impound workers--would be allowable.  The same logic would probably hold up over there, too.


Yep.  If they can legally tow it, they can legally search it.

<---- learned that from law and order and nypd blue!
 
2013-06-10 01:11:30 PM
So the logical reaction to the EDL saying you're a hatemongering killer is to pipe/nail bomb their rally? Way to prove them right.

Don't lock them up - shoot or hang them - they will try again if they are ever released and it's not worth the risk of them getting loose.
 
2013-06-10 01:17:24 PM
The Dukes of Hazard?
 
2013-06-10 01:24:18 PM
I know what a pipe bomb is.
What is a nail bomb?
 
2013-06-10 01:40:55 PM

WelldeadLink: I know what a pipe bomb is.
What is a nail bomb?


Unfortunately, pretty much what is sounds like - a bomb full of nails, of the pointy metal fastening variety. When it goes off - well, you can probably imagine the rest, and most likely wish you can't.
 
2013-06-10 01:41:30 PM
*it
 
2013-06-10 02:26:45 PM
So, they impounded the Winchester's '67 Impala?
 
2013-06-10 02:35:46 PM

I Ate Shergar: WelldeadLink: I know what a pipe bomb is.
What is a nail bomb?

Unfortunately, pretty much what is sounds like - a bomb full of nails, of the pointy metal fastening variety. When it goes off - well, you can probably imagine the rest, and most likely wish you can't.


www.phydeausplace.com
 
2013-06-10 02:36:04 PM

The more you eat the more you fart: So the cops can just search tge car without any probable cause or a warrant?

/dnrtfa


Insurance is compulsory in the UK. No insurance IS probable cause. And there is a central computer database these days the cops can check.

While I'm not a fan in general of government databases, I'm not unhappy about the cops making sure dumbasses have insurance.
 
2013-06-10 02:48:39 PM

NightSteel: The more you eat the more you fart: So the cops can just search tge car without any probable cause or a warrant?

/dnrtfa

I'm sure on this side of the pond, a search incident to impoundment--for the safety of police and impound workers--would be allowable.  The same logic would probably hold up over there, too.


Also to prevent the inevitable Hey the cops/tow yard stole the eleventy million dollars worth of high end electronics I just had installed. Pay me! lawsuits.
 
2013-06-10 03:14:55 PM

Enigmamf: The more you eat the more you fart: So the cops can just search tge car without any probable cause or a warrant?

/dnrtfa

Well, it is England after all.


I saw "nail bomb" in the headline and thought, "Nail bomb? That's so IRA."

Nail bombs are horrible.
 
2013-06-10 03:19:38 PM

The more you eat the more you fart: So the cops can just search tge car without any probable cause or a warrant?

/dnrtfa


The article said that the staff members of the towing lot found the weapons. Maybe they saw something through the window, which led to the police search.
 
2013-06-10 03:38:55 PM

The more you eat the more you fart: So the cops can just search tge car without any probable cause or a warrant?

/dnrtfa


Simple answer, yes.  If your car is being towed it can be inventoried, so long as the inventory is done in accordance with established departmental policy and is routinely done.  For instance, you couldn't inventory one car out of every 10 you tow and expect that to hold up in court. If you inventory 10 out of 10 cars that are towed, then that's a legal tow inventory policy.

If I arrest a driver for driving on a suspended or revoked license, and am towing the car, I have the right to conduct an inventory on the car prior to the tow.  Our department takes note of all valuables in the car (GPS, Computers, etc) and marks those on the inventory sheet.  We also note the condition of the vehicle and any existing damage.

If i'm legally towing a car, and following established procedure, anything I find in that car that's illegal is admissible as evidence  I've towed cars for something as simple as a suspended driver, and found child pornography during the inventory.

An inventory several days after a tow MAY be reasonable, given extreme circumstances.

In this case, it sounds as if the tow yard employees found the stuff, however.
 
2013-06-10 04:22:31 PM

WelldeadLink: I know what a pipe bomb is.
What is a nail bomb?


NSFW Lyrics
 
2013-06-10 04:41:04 PM
Those guys say Islam isn't a religion of peace, let's kill them!
 
2013-06-10 04:41:38 PM
Lewis the overweight, middle aged, insurance data entry clerk waddled out to his 1994 volvo.  The wind caught the edges of his ill fitting, tentlike suit coat and threatened to dislodge his meticulously sprayed comb over.  But Lewis stood tall.  For years he'd endured the ignomy of the world's most boring job.  Years he endured the fact that when he did his job best, customers were always annoyed with him.

Until one day.  One day when his beady eye, looming huge in the coke bottle glasses he'd worn for 20 years, caught the one mistake that would save lives, and turn him into a hero.  For on this day, Lewis stood between us and destruction.  This day, Lewis saved us all.
 
2013-06-10 06:48:54 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: An inventory several days after a tow MAY be reasonable, given extreme circumstances.


A standard of 'a soon as practical' and they were backlogged and/or missed doing the inventory earlier in violation of policy?
 
2013-06-10 08:12:08 PM

Firethorn: A standard of 'a soon as practical' and they were backlogged and/or missed doing the inventory earlier in violation of policy?


I imagine prosecutors don't want them to wait long.  If it takes them 2 weeks to do the inventory and they DO find something highly illegal, a defense lawyer could argue that it was planted during that time.
 
2013-06-11 01:13:30 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Firethorn: A standard of 'a soon as practical' and they were backlogged and/or missed doing the inventory earlier in violation of policy?

I imagine prosecutors don't want them to wait long.  If it takes them 2 weeks to do the inventory and they DO find something highly illegal, a defense lawyer could argue that it was planted during that time.


Oh, I agree.  Thus why I said stuff like 'as soon as practical' - backlogged means that they were busy inventorying cars that were confiscated/towed before the subject car, IE they didn't have enough labor.  Law enforcement wise, maybe they busted an illegal car dealer or something and suddenly had 100 cars to process.

Missed doing the inventory - violation of policy, but a human screw up.  The papers were misplaced, car dropped in the wrong spot, wrong car was initially inventoried, etc...

Unless the car has a 'high priority' tag on it, IE they suspected it was involved in felonies I can see the latter happening.
 
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