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(Cracked)   So, how many of you have noticed the symbolism in any of these five movies?   (cracked.com) divider line 24
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2013-06-10 02:04:16 PM
3 votes:
The whole X-men anti-mutant thing was originally more focused on race than sexuality. The comic kicked off in the early 60's and focused on prejudice and racism quite often. It just so happens that homosexual rights are the current mainstream civil rights movement.
2013-06-10 01:18:06 PM
3 votes:
Well Aliens/Viet Nam is a stretch but they beat you over the head with the X-Men/gay thing.
2013-06-10 03:32:43 PM
2 votes:

steve_wmn: Hating on Cameron has been the thing to do ever since Titanic.  Didn't you get the memo?


I hate on Titanic but not Cameron himself. And it was a very well made film, I just hated the story. I wasn't crazy about Avatar exeept for the visuals as well.
2013-06-10 01:58:51 PM
2 votes:
 fta:  The Big Lebowski is the Citizen Kane of movies, and a good lot of you can probably recite the entire screenplay from memory.

That's interesting.  I had always thought that Citizen Kane was the Citizen Kane of movies.
2013-06-10 05:10:41 PM
1 votes:
Also, the symbolism in X-Men is hardly worth saying "did you notice that?" It's not even remotely subtle. The scenes with kids 'coming out' as mutants to their parents?
"Have you tried not being a mutant?"
Sound anything like...
"Have you tried not being gay?"

And then there was First Class. That movie pissed me off with how transparent it was. "Mutant and Proud" as a mantra is hokey sounding and obviously a metaphor for homosexuality.

I don't have a problem with the message, but try not to be so ham-fisted, people. Subtlety is an art form unto itself.
2013-06-10 05:05:13 PM
1 votes:

ertznay: You make the claim that there was another sci-fi action move before Aliens which set the standard?

Hating on Cameron has been the thing to do ever since Titanic.  Didn't you get the memo?

I am not hating on Cameron, the first Terminator, is still one of my all time favorites, but if any movie deserves the title 'godfather of sci-fi action', my vote goes for Star Wars. And yes, Titanic sucked.


Honestly though, Star Wars isn't Sci-Fi, it's Fantasy. It just happens to be set in space and have lasers. All of the tropes presented in the plot are those of fantasy stories. Find the Mentor, Befriend the Rogue, Save the Princess, Destroy the Empire. I recall someone asking R.A. Salvatore when he wrote the 'Attack of  the Clones' novel to accompany the movie if it was difficult transitioning to Sci-Fi from Fantasy and he said essentially the same thing. Star Wars IS Fantasy.

Sci-Fi is generally more introspective and full of social commentary. It asks questions about humanity. Think Heinlein, Aasimov or Phillip K. Dick.
2013-06-10 04:07:07 PM
1 votes:

Boojum2k: EyeballKid: oh_please: I think you're confusing "conservatives" with "fundies"...most conservatives I know are fine with gay rights. And I live in one of the reddest states in the country.

Yeah, just 10 years after that same state turned out to vote for Dubya 'cos that foreign-lookin' John Kerry was gunna make er'body get queer married to each other. Don't act like the conservative movement has been down with homosexuals forever. I mean, they have, but only when nobody's looking.

John Kerry had the exact same position on gay marriage that Bush did. Civil unions were okay, calling it marriage wasn't. They were both wrong. John Kerry had a million more flaws in his candidacy and campaign than any supposed "support" of gay rights.


Obama only started touting gay rights after he got elected for a 2nd term, it's still a very hot-button issue in the African-American community.

It's looking good though, people are realizing legal marriage is a type of business contract and it has nothing to do with a religious ceremony.
2013-06-10 04:04:50 PM
1 votes:
Er... that's not quiiiite what symbolism means.

Castration seems to be a theme in Big Lebowski, that's a good reading, but just because it's a somewhat hidden or subdued theme doesn't make it symbolism.  Symbolism requires, you know, symbols.

Similarly, No Country for Old Men is ABOUT retirement, rather than symbolizing it.  You can say that Chigur and murder symbolize or represent retirement, but the movie doesn't symbolize it.  That's kinda lazy.
2013-06-10 04:01:41 PM
1 votes:
You make the claim that there was another sci-fi action move before Aliens which set the standard?

Hating on Cameron has been the thing to do ever since Titanic.  Didn't you get the memo?


I am not hating on Cameron, the first Terminator, is still one of my all time favorites, but if any movie deserves the title 'godfather of sci-fi action', my vote goes for Star Wars. And yes, Titanic sucked.
2013-06-10 03:22:24 PM
1 votes:
I felt like I was being slapped on the face with Ian McKellan's cock when I was watching the X-Men movies.
2013-06-10 02:49:45 PM
1 votes:
James Cameron's Aliens, the godfather of sci-fi action movies

...And thus, with the very first sentence of the article, I stopped reading
2013-06-10 02:47:36 PM
1 votes:
The Muppets take Manhattan is about the Bataan Death March.
2013-06-10 02:44:24 PM
1 votes:
Not sure how the Aliens symbolism was supposed to be hard to get when the director himself tells you in the commentary that the Marines were supposed to be like Vietnam draftees at the end of multiple tours.
2013-06-10 02:36:47 PM
1 votes:
Did Subby mean: who wasn't aware of this symbolism? X-men in particularly hits you over the head with the non-stop talk of people being born that way and having no choice but to act like a mutant.
2013-06-10 02:29:36 PM
1 votes:

thecpt: That's a cool look at inception. The rest were no duhs or okay whatever.


And it was completely plagiarized from Devin Faraci of CHUD.com.

http://www.chud.com/24477/never-wake-up-the-meaning-and-secret-of-in ce ption/

TFA:
The evidence is kind of undeniable. First off, every member of the "Dream Hacker" squad has a role that corresponds with a role on a movie set: Eames (Tom Hardy) is the actor, because he can literally change faces -- sometimes while sitting in front of an actor's vanity mirror:

Ariadne (Ellen Page) is the screenwriter, because she designs the dreams; Saito (Ken Watanabe) is a studio executive, because he's paying for the whole thing; Cobb (Leonardo DiCaprio) is the director, the one with vision, the guy who can bring the whole thing together. Hell, he even looks like Christopher Nolan.

Joseph Gordon-Levitt's character, Arthur, is the producer, the guy who knows how it all works (that's why he speaks almost exclusively in expository dialogue), and Yusuf (good ol' Dileep Rao) is the special effects guy, because most of you forgot he existed and he probably never got his share of the bounty. It's no mistake that the coolest special effects moment in the movie only happens because of something he did, and the movie specifically points out that he gets no credit for it:

Finally, Dom Cobb and the Inceptors' mission is remarkably similar to the mission of a moviemaker: they want to change the way someone (in this case, Cillian Murphy's character) thinks about the world -- like any artist. Even the strategies they discuss (focusing on positive emotion instead of negative emotion, and not "disturbing the subconscious" by changing the rules out of nowhere) are movie-making tactics: You got to establish rules for your movie universe, and you can't break them, or the audience chases you with motorcycles and stabs you to death.


Devin Faraci's CHUD.com article on the movie:
The heist team quite neatly maps to major players in a film production. Cobb is the director while Arthur, the guy who does the research and who sets up the places to sleep, is the producer. Ariadne, the dream architect, is the screenwriter - she creates the world that will be entered. Eames is the actor (this is so obvious that the character sits at an old fashioned mirrored vanity, the type which stage actors would use). Yusuf is the technical guy; remember, the Oscar come from the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, and it requires a good number of technically minded people to get a movie off the ground.

That leaves two key figures. Saito is the money guy, the big corporate suit who fancies himself a part of the game. And Fischer, the mark, is the audience. Cobb, as a director, takes Fischer through an engaging, stimulating and exciting journey, one that leads him to an understanding about himself. Cobb is the big time movie director (or rather the best version of that - certainly not a Michael Bay) who brings the action, who brings the spectacle, but who also brings the meaning and the humanity and the emotion
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2013-06-10 02:28:21 PM
1 votes:

Lord Dimwit: No Country for Old Men may or may not be about "retirement" - but I don't think so.


There are a couple of different stories at work there, but the entire purpose of Tommy Lee Jones' character is to show that he sees how the times have outpaced him and it's time for him to retire. It's not subtle or hidden at all. It's even the name of the goddamn movie -- that the rise of the violent drug trade makes this no longer a place for an old man like him.

Now, maybe if you cut out all of TLJ's scenes, you could make an argument that the movie has something more subtle to say about "retirement" (although the author of TFA leans on a pretty weak crutch by equating "retirement" from a job with "retirement" meaning murder). But it's a lot more muddled than the obvious-to-a-5-year-old meaning behind TLJ's character.
2013-06-10 02:25:01 PM
1 votes:
I was tempted to add They Live to their list, but they made the allegory so obvious at the end of that one that you couldn't not notice unless you were asleep.
2013-06-10 02:21:25 PM
1 votes:

PizzaJedi81: spelletrader: It just so happens that homosexual rights are the current mainstream civil rights movement.

Not for Conservatives.


I think you're confusing "conservatives" with "fundies"...most conservatives I know are fine with gay rights. And I live in one of the reddest states in the country.
2013-06-10 02:20:06 PM
1 votes:

CSM101: What, no Robocop is Jesus? fail list

/of course it's fail, it's cracked


It would be easier to list characters who aren't Jesus allegories.
2013-06-10 02:01:08 PM
1 votes:
No Country for Old Men may or may not be about "retirement" - but I don't think so. It's about how mankind tells himself stories about how he can control the world and behavior through laws and rules when in fact the world doesn't care at all for our rules and restrictions, and whatever's going to happen is going to happen - but we keep trying anyway, futilely.

Beautiful film. One of my favorites.

Haven't read the book yet though, so, I can't speak to it's meaning.
2013-06-10 01:59:37 PM
1 votes:
1. Obvious
2. Even more obvious
3.  Didn't see it
4.  ok, didn't get that but ok
5.  sort of got it, but the article makes it seem more ham-handed than it was.
2013-06-10 01:53:28 PM
1 votes:

Krymson Tyde: And what about The Shining?


It's a how-to guide on butchering an authors work on the big screen.
2013-06-10 01:50:55 PM
1 votes:
That's weird, I always saw Aliens as an homage to Scooby-Doo where in the end the villain under the mask was us as human beings meddling in things we shouldn't.
2013-06-10 01:44:58 PM
1 votes:

Mugato: Well Aliens/Viet Nam is a stretch but they beat you over the head with the X-Men/gay thing.


Yeah, while it can be generalized to refer to any kind of difference, in the movies at least the parallels to homosexuality are really heavy handed.
 
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