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2013-06-10 01:06:31 PM
And what about The Shining?
 
2013-06-10 01:18:06 PM
Well Aliens/Viet Nam is a stretch but they beat you over the head with the X-Men/gay thing.
 
2013-06-10 01:35:34 PM
I'm confused.  Did the aliens represent the gay or the retirement of anti-gay established film making bowlers?
 
2013-06-10 01:42:04 PM

Mugato: Well Aliens/Viet Nam is a stretch but they beat you over the head with the X-Men/gay thing.


Yeah, I figured that out in the 80's when I wasn't even a teenager yet.
 
2013-06-10 01:44:58 PM

Mugato: Well Aliens/Viet Nam is a stretch but they beat you over the head with the X-Men/gay thing.


Yeah, while it can be generalized to refer to any kind of difference, in the movies at least the parallels to homosexuality are really heavy handed.
 
2013-06-10 01:50:00 PM
It's a Cracked article, and thus automatically ignored. Anything interesting?
 
2013-06-10 01:50:08 PM
Think the word you're looking for there is "symbology", subby
 
2013-06-10 01:50:55 PM
That's weird, I always saw Aliens as an homage to Scooby-Doo where in the end the villain under the mask was us as human beings meddling in things we shouldn't.
 
2013-06-10 01:51:03 PM
I knew number 5 because it had the same feel as that type of movie, however most of my friends thought that was a stretch. 4 was so obvious I couldn't miss it. 3, 2 and 1, I'll just have to take their word for it.
 
2013-06-10 01:52:47 PM
They were Nazis?
 
2013-06-10 01:53:28 PM

Krymson Tyde: And what about The Shining?


It's a how-to guide on butchering an authors work on the big screen.
 
2013-06-10 01:56:17 PM
The Dark Crystal was all about bringing sexy back
 
2013-06-10 01:58:51 PM
 fta:  The Big Lebowski is the Citizen Kane of movies, and a good lot of you can probably recite the entire screenplay from memory.

That's interesting.  I had always thought that Citizen Kane was the Citizen Kane of movies.
 
2013-06-10 01:59:37 PM
1. Obvious
2. Even more obvious
3.  Didn't see it
4.  ok, didn't get that but ok
5.  sort of got it, but the article makes it seem more ham-handed than it was.
 
2013-06-10 02:01:03 PM
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2013-06-10 02:01:08 PM
No Country for Old Men may or may not be about "retirement" - but I don't think so. It's about how mankind tells himself stories about how he can control the world and behavior through laws and rules when in fact the world doesn't care at all for our rules and restrictions, and whatever's going to happen is going to happen - but we keep trying anyway, futilely.

Beautiful film. One of my favorites.

Haven't read the book yet though, so, I can't speak to it's meaning.
 
2013-06-10 02:04:16 PM
The whole X-men anti-mutant thing was originally more focused on race than sexuality. The comic kicked off in the early 60's and focused on prejudice and racism quite often. It just so happens that homosexual rights are the current mainstream civil rights movement.
 
2013-06-10 02:04:56 PM
That's a cool look at inception. The rest were no duhs or okay whatever.
 
2013-06-10 02:06:32 PM
Soylent Green was actually about apartheid mixed in with a message about Ceausescu.
 
2013-06-10 02:06:36 PM

Lord Dimwit: Haven't read the book yet though, so, I can't speak to it's meaning.


Considering that it was more or less directly put onto the screen, I'd say it's pretty close.
 
2013-06-10 02:07:57 PM

spelletrader: It just so happens that homosexual rights are the current mainstream civil rights movement.


Not for Conservatives.
 
2013-06-10 02:16:19 PM
What, no Robocop is Jesus? fail list

/of course it's fail, it's cracked
 
2013-06-10 02:17:46 PM

CSM101: What, no Robocop is Jesus? fail list

/of course it's fail, it's cracked


I'm looking forward to after Man of Steel comes out and seeing the Cracked list of "Characters as Jesus allegory".
 
2013-06-10 02:20:06 PM

CSM101: What, no Robocop is Jesus? fail list

/of course it's fail, it's cracked


It would be easier to list characters who aren't Jesus allegories.
 
2013-06-10 02:21:25 PM

PizzaJedi81: spelletrader: It just so happens that homosexual rights are the current mainstream civil rights movement.

Not for Conservatives.


I think you're confusing "conservatives" with "fundies"...most conservatives I know are fine with gay rights. And I live in one of the reddest states in the country.
 
2013-06-10 02:24:17 PM
I'd be worried about anyone who didn't get the X-Men one.
 
2013-06-10 02:25:01 PM
I was tempted to add They Live to their list, but they made the allegory so obvious at the end of that one that you couldn't not notice unless you were asleep.
 
2013-06-10 02:25:45 PM
I was going along with The Big Lebowski's theory, but then I thought about Jackie Treehorn and the Chief of Police, and couldn't figure out how they represented castrated males. Does anyone have any thoughts about that?
 
2013-06-10 02:28:21 PM

Lord Dimwit: No Country for Old Men may or may not be about "retirement" - but I don't think so.


There are a couple of different stories at work there, but the entire purpose of Tommy Lee Jones' character is to show that he sees how the times have outpaced him and it's time for him to retire. It's not subtle or hidden at all. It's even the name of the goddamn movie -- that the rise of the violent drug trade makes this no longer a place for an old man like him.

Now, maybe if you cut out all of TLJ's scenes, you could make an argument that the movie has something more subtle to say about "retirement" (although the author of TFA leans on a pretty weak crutch by equating "retirement" from a job with "retirement" meaning murder). But it's a lot more muddled than the obvious-to-a-5-year-old meaning behind TLJ's character.
 
2013-06-10 02:28:53 PM
Huh. When Aliens came out, everyone from the studio who got within 10 feet of a microphone/camera was claiming it was a metaphor for the Marines who had been killed in the Beirut Bombing: the unloaded weapons, the inexperienced officers, etc.
 
2013-06-10 02:29:33 PM
Return of the Jedi was really about selling repackaged teddy bears.

/true fact
 
2013-06-10 02:29:36 PM

thecpt: That's a cool look at inception. The rest were no duhs or okay whatever.


And it was completely plagiarized from Devin Faraci of CHUD.com.

http://www.chud.com/24477/never-wake-up-the-meaning-and-secret-of-in ce ption/

TFA:
The evidence is kind of undeniable. First off, every member of the "Dream Hacker" squad has a role that corresponds with a role on a movie set: Eames (Tom Hardy) is the actor, because he can literally change faces -- sometimes while sitting in front of an actor's vanity mirror:

Ariadne (Ellen Page) is the screenwriter, because she designs the dreams; Saito (Ken Watanabe) is a studio executive, because he's paying for the whole thing; Cobb (Leonardo DiCaprio) is the director, the one with vision, the guy who can bring the whole thing together. Hell, he even looks like Christopher Nolan.

Joseph Gordon-Levitt's character, Arthur, is the producer, the guy who knows how it all works (that's why he speaks almost exclusively in expository dialogue), and Yusuf (good ol' Dileep Rao) is the special effects guy, because most of you forgot he existed and he probably never got his share of the bounty. It's no mistake that the coolest special effects moment in the movie only happens because of something he did, and the movie specifically points out that he gets no credit for it:

Finally, Dom Cobb and the Inceptors' mission is remarkably similar to the mission of a moviemaker: they want to change the way someone (in this case, Cillian Murphy's character) thinks about the world -- like any artist. Even the strategies they discuss (focusing on positive emotion instead of negative emotion, and not "disturbing the subconscious" by changing the rules out of nowhere) are movie-making tactics: You got to establish rules for your movie universe, and you can't break them, or the audience chases you with motorcycles and stabs you to death.


Devin Faraci's CHUD.com article on the movie:
The heist team quite neatly maps to major players in a film production. Cobb is the director while Arthur, the guy who does the research and who sets up the places to sleep, is the producer. Ariadne, the dream architect, is the screenwriter - she creates the world that will be entered. Eames is the actor (this is so obvious that the character sits at an old fashioned mirrored vanity, the type which stage actors would use). Yusuf is the technical guy; remember, the Oscar come from the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, and it requires a good number of technically minded people to get a movie off the ground.

That leaves two key figures. Saito is the money guy, the big corporate suit who fancies himself a part of the game. And Fischer, the mark, is the audience. Cobb, as a director, takes Fischer through an engaging, stimulating and exciting journey, one that leads him to an understanding about himself. Cobb is the big time movie director (or rather the best version of that - certainly not a Michael Bay) who brings the action, who brings the spectacle, but who also brings the meaning and the humanity and the emotion
.
 
2013-06-10 02:31:10 PM
The Fast and the Furious:  Tokyo Drift is really about the Embargo Act of 1807.
 
2013-06-10 02:34:26 PM

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: The Fast and the Furious:  Tokyo Drift is really about the Embargo Act of 1807.


xXx was about the Teapot Dome Scandal.
 
2013-06-10 02:36:47 PM
Did Subby mean: who wasn't aware of this symbolism? X-men in particularly hits you over the head with the non-stop talk of people being born that way and having no choice but to act like a mutant.
 
2013-06-10 02:38:54 PM

spelletrader: The whole X-men anti-mutant thing was originally more focused on race than sexuality. The comic kicked off in the early 60's and focused on prejudice and racism quite often. It just so happens that homosexual rights are the current mainstream civil rights movement.


Did you read the article?  They specifically addressed that, saying almost the same thing, that X-men was originally about the civil rights movement.  However, "it just so happens" isn't quite accurate here, as the producers, writers and director intentionally shifted the focus to gay rights.
 
2013-06-10 02:41:25 PM
Did anyone else catch that "The Big Lebowski is the  Citizen Kane of movies,"
 
2013-06-10 02:44:24 PM
Not sure how the Aliens symbolism was supposed to be hard to get when the director himself tells you in the commentary that the Marines were supposed to be like Vietnam draftees at the end of multiple tours.
 
2013-06-10 02:44:48 PM
Everyone raved about the sparing use of the shark in `Jaws' - claiming that having the villain unseen helped build the tension & fear.
Truth was the mechanical shark was a piece of schitt that never worked properly.
 
2013-06-10 02:46:50 PM

gunga galunga: thecpt: That's a cool look at inception. The rest were no duhs or okay whatever.

And it was completely plagiarized from Devin Faraci of CHUD.com.

http://www.chud.com/24477/never-wake-up-the-meaning-and-secret-of-in ce ption/


I can't believe I'm defending a Cracked article, but... Though he doesn't site where he's getting this information from, the author isn't presenting these ideas as his own. That's one form of plagiarism. The 2nd type, is also no present, as the author isn't just copy/pasting without citation.

Anyway, it isn't plagiarism, and I don't even know why I care enough to correct you.
 
2013-06-10 02:47:25 PM
*cite...for fark's sake
 
2013-06-10 02:47:36 PM
The Muppets take Manhattan is about the Bataan Death March.
 
2013-06-10 02:47:52 PM

timujin: Did you read the article?


This is Fark, that answer is self evident.
 
2013-06-10 02:48:48 PM
When I go to movies I pay to be entertained, so I completely detach my brain.  I'll fess up I didn't catch any of the hidden meanings.

/But I thought Green Lantern, GI Joe 2, and Ghost Rider 2 weren't that bad, either.
//I like mental cotton candy to detach from day-to-day politics or looking for -isms everywhere.
 
2013-06-10 02:49:45 PM
James Cameron's Aliens, the godfather of sci-fi action movies

...And thus, with the very first sentence of the article, I stopped reading
 
2013-06-10 02:50:00 PM

phoenix352: Did anyone else catch that "The Big Lebowski is the  Citizen Kane of movies,"


IDK- did anyone else read the thread?
 
2013-06-10 02:52:28 PM

Uzzah: Lord Dimwit: No Country for Old Men may or may not be about "retirement" - but I don't think so.

There are a couple of different stories at work there, but the entire purpose of Tommy Lee Jones' character is to show that he sees how the times have outpaced him and it's time for him to retire. It's not subtle or hidden at all. It's even the name of the goddamn movie -- that the rise of the violent drug trade makes this no longer a place for an old man like him.

Now, maybe if you cut out all of TLJ's scenes, you could make an argument that the movie has something more subtle to say about "retirement" (although the author of TFA leans on a pretty weak crutch by equating "retirement" from a job with "retirement" meaning murder). But it's a lot more muddled than the obvious-to-a-5-year-old meaning behind TLJ's character.


His bookends to the movie - his opening narration and his closing monologue to his wife - make me think differently. His opening narration talks about how he's a lawman and his father and his father too. His ending monologue talks about how he has a dream where there's a fire in the darkness lit by his father and it's the only light in the darkness and "then I woke up."

To me that says that for generations we've been trying to impose order and meaning on things with laws and rules, and at the end he dreams that law and order is a light in the darkness - and then he wakes up, realizing his disillusionment. Chigurgh says as much: "If the rule you followed brought you to this place, of what use was the rule?"
 
2013-06-10 02:55:12 PM

redsquid: phoenix352: Did anyone else catch that "The Big Lebowski is the  Citizen Kane of movies,"

IDK- did anyone else read the thread?


Clearly not, skimmed it at best.
 
2013-06-10 02:57:13 PM

Lord Dimwit: Uzzah: Lord Dimwit: No Country for Old Men may or may not be about "retirement" - but I don't think so.

There are a couple of different stories at work there, but the entire purpose of Tommy Lee Jones' character is to show that he sees how the times have outpaced him and it's time for him to retire. It's not subtle or hidden at all. It's even the name of the goddamn movie -- that the rise of the violent drug trade makes this no longer a place for an old man like him.

Now, maybe if you cut out all of TLJ's scenes, you could make an argument that the movie has something more subtle to say about "retirement" (although the author of TFA leans on a pretty weak crutch by equating "retirement" from a job with "retirement" meaning murder). But it's a lot more muddled than the obvious-to-a-5-year-old meaning behind TLJ's character.

His bookends to the movie - his opening narration and his closing monologue to his wife - make me think differently. His opening narration talks about how he's a lawman and his father and his father too. His ending monologue talks about how he has a dream where there's a fire in the darkness lit by his father and it's the only light in the darkness and "then I woke up."

To me that says that for generations we've been trying to impose order and meaning on things with laws and rules, and at the end he dreams that law and order is a light in the darkness - and then he wakes up, realizing his disillusionment. Chigurgh says as much: "If the rule you followed brought you to this place, of what use was the rule?"


And the purpose of showing his Uncle was to show that after a lifetime of fighting for the law, nothing has changed except that now you're an old man alone.
 
2013-06-10 03:06:55 PM
The only movie on that list that I've actually seen is The Big Lebowski,   and if you think it's about "metaphorical castration" (whatever that is) well then,   that's just like your opinion,  maaan,
 
2013-06-10 03:08:44 PM
It's just a simple story about a bunch of American soldiers sent to a faraway land where they are led to their senseless deaths by incompetent leaders.

Wouldn't that describe nearly every single conflict America has been involved in since the revolution? There aren't a lot of cases where Americans have been defending their homeland.
 
2013-06-10 03:14:18 PM

xane: It's just a simple story about a bunch of American soldiers sent to a faraway land where they are led to their senseless deaths by incompetent leaders.

Wouldn't that describe nearly every single conflict America has been involved in since the revolution? There aren't a lot of cases where Americans have been defending their homeland.


I wouldn't call WWII a senseless war. Almost all of the others, yeah.
 
2013-06-10 03:19:25 PM

ertznay: James Cameron's Aliens, the godfather of sci-fi action movies

...And thus, with the very first sentence of the article, I stopped reading


You make the claim that there was another sci-fi action move before Aliens which set the standard?
 
2013-06-10 03:22:24 PM
I felt like I was being slapped on the face with Ian McKellan's cock when I was watching the X-Men movies.
 
2013-06-10 03:23:26 PM

gunga galunga: thecpt: That's a cool look at inception. The rest were no duhs or okay whatever.

And it was completely plagiarized from Devin Faraci of CHUD.com.

http://www.chud.com/24477/never-wake-up-the-meaning-and-secret-of-in ce ption/

TFA:
The evidence is kind of undeniable. First off, every member of the "Dream Hacker" squad has a role that corresponds with a role on a movie set: Eames (Tom Hardy) is the actor, because he can literally change faces -- sometimes while sitting in front of an actor's vanity mirror:

Ariadne (Ellen Page) is the screenwriter, because she designs the dreams; Saito (Ken Watanabe) is a studio executive, because he's paying for the whole thing; Cobb (Leonardo DiCaprio) is the director, the one with vision, the guy who can bring the whole thing together. Hell, he even looks like Christopher Nolan.

Joseph Gordon-Levitt's character, Arthur, is the producer, the guy who knows how it all works (that's why he speaks almost exclusively in expository dialogue), and Yusuf (good ol' Dileep Rao) is the special effects guy, because most of you forgot he existed and he probably never got his share of the bounty. It's no mistake that the coolest special effects moment in the movie only happens because of something he did, and the movie specifically points out that he gets no credit for it:

Finally, Dom Cobb and the Inceptors' mission is remarkably similar to the mission of a moviemaker: they want to change the way someone (in this case, Cillian Murphy's character) thinks about the world -- like any artist. Even the strategies they discuss (focusing on positive emotion instead of negative emotion, and not "disturbing the subconscious" by changing the rules out of nowhere) are movie-making tactics: You got to establish rules for your movie universe, and you can't break them, or the audience chases you with motorcycles and stabs you to death.

Devin Faraci's CHUD.com article on the movie:
The heist team quite neatly maps to major players in a film production. Co ...


Gee, even little ol' me figured out it was a "movie" in a movie.  It's hardly hidden or anything.
 
2013-06-10 03:30:34 PM

WippitGuud: ertznay: James Cameron's Aliens, the godfather of sci-fi action movies

...And thus, with the very first sentence of the article, I stopped reading

You make the claim that there was another sci-fi action move before Aliens which set the standard?


Hating on Cameron has been the thing to do ever since Titanic.  Didn't you get the memo?
 
2013-06-10 03:31:30 PM

oh_please: I think you're confusing "conservatives" with "fundies"...most conservatives I know are fine with gay rights. And I live in one of the reddest states in the country.


Yeah, just 10 years after that same state turned out to vote for Dubya 'cos that foreign-lookin' John Kerry was gunna make er'body get queer married to each other. Don't act like the conservative movement has been down with homosexuals forever. I mean, they have, but only when nobody's looking.
 
2013-06-10 03:32:43 PM

steve_wmn: Hating on Cameron has been the thing to do ever since Titanic.  Didn't you get the memo?


I hate on Titanic but not Cameron himself. And it was a very well made film, I just hated the story. I wasn't crazy about Avatar exeept for the visuals as well.
 
2013-06-10 03:34:34 PM

steve_wmn: Hating on Cameron has been the thing to do ever since Titanic. Didn't you get the memo?


"Strange Days" was the movie where I first realized a 5 year-old reading Anton Chekhov has more believability to it than Cameron dialog. Yes, sometimes you need more than explosions for a good movie.
 
2013-06-10 03:36:32 PM

EyeballKid: "Strange Days" was the movie where I first realized a 5 year-old reading Anton Chekhov has more believability to it than Cameron dialog. Yes, sometimes you need more than explosions for a good movie.


I forgot about that movie. That was a sort of pre-Matrix film.
 
2013-06-10 03:38:56 PM
Human Centipede is actually a Walt Disney bio pic.
 
2013-06-10 03:42:13 PM

Krymson Tyde: And what about The Shining?


Clearly about how Kubrik helped film a fake moon landing....

img2u.info

Danny here is wearing an Apollo 11 sweater rising from a launch pad. The moon is 237,000 miles from the earth, and he changed the room number to 237 for no particularly valid reason. There's much more....
 
2013-06-10 03:48:27 PM

LesserEvil: Krymson Tyde: And what about The Shining?

Clearly about how Kubrik helped film a fake moon landing....

[img2u.info image 800x450]

Danny here is wearing an Apollo 11 sweater rising from a launch pad. The moon is 237,000 miles from the earth, and he changed the room number to 237 for no particularly valid reason. There's much more....


I love that carpet.  Just wanted to share.
 
2013-06-10 03:50:42 PM

Geotpf: LesserEvil: Krymson Tyde: And what about The Shining?

Clearly about how Kubrik helped film a fake moon landing....

[img2u.info image 800x450]

Danny here is wearing an Apollo 11 sweater rising from a launch pad. The moon is 237,000 miles from the earth, and he changed the room number to 237 for no particularly valid reason. There's much more....

I love that carpet.  Just wanted to share.


The carpet symbolizes the slaughter of the Native Americans by the white man.
 
2013-06-10 03:53:46 PM

GonzoNihilist: The only movie on that list that I've actually seen is The Big Lebowski,   and if you think it's about "metaphorical castration" (whatever that is) well then,   that's just like your opinion,  maaan,


Oh, come on Donny, they were threatening castration! Are we gonna split hairs here? Am I wrong?
 
2013-06-10 03:56:07 PM

someonelse: Geotpf: LesserEvil: Krymson Tyde: And what about The Shining?

Clearly about how Kubrik helped film a fake moon landing....

[img2u.info image 800x450]

Danny here is wearing an Apollo 11 sweater rising from a launch pad. The moon is 237,000 miles from the earth, and he changed the room number to 237 for no particularly valid reason. There's much more....

I love that carpet.  Just wanted to share.

The carpet symbolizes the slaughter of the Native Americans by the white man.


Correct, the movie was all about the massacre of the American Indian by European settlers.

img2u.info

Calumet represents the peace pipe, here, where Hallorann is talking, Kubric skillfully posed the can to be in full view.
 
2013-06-10 03:57:20 PM

EyeballKid: oh_please: I think you're confusing "conservatives" with "fundies"...most conservatives I know are fine with gay rights. And I live in one of the reddest states in the country.

Yeah, just 10 years after that same state turned out to vote for Dubya 'cos that foreign-lookin' John Kerry was gunna make er'body get queer married to each other. Don't act like the conservative movement has been down with homosexuals forever. I mean, they have, but only when nobody's looking.


John Kerry had the exact same position on gay marriage that Bush did. Civil unions were okay, calling it marriage wasn't. They were both wrong. John Kerry had a million more flaws in his candidacy and campaign than any supposed "support" of gay rights.
 
2013-06-10 04:01:41 PM
You make the claim that there was another sci-fi action move before Aliens which set the standard?

Hating on Cameron has been the thing to do ever since Titanic.  Didn't you get the memo?


I am not hating on Cameron, the first Terminator, is still one of my all time favorites, but if any movie deserves the title 'godfather of sci-fi action', my vote goes for Star Wars. And yes, Titanic sucked.
 
2013-06-10 04:04:26 PM

Boojum2k: EyeballKid: oh_please: I think you're confusing "conservatives" with "fundies"...most conservatives I know are fine with gay rights. And I live in one of the reddest states in the country.

Yeah, just 10 years after that same state turned out to vote for Dubya 'cos that foreign-lookin' John Kerry was gunna make er'body get queer married to each other. Don't act like the conservative movement has been down with homosexuals forever. I mean, they have, but only when nobody's looking.

John Kerry had the exact same position on gay marriage that Bush did. Civil unions were okay, calling it marriage wasn't. They were both wrong. John Kerry had a million more flaws in his candidacy and campaign than any supposed "support" of gay rights.


True, but remember, in 2004, several red states spearheaded an effort to get out the vote by having amendments banning gay marriage from their state constitutions. Yes, Kerry's position was similar to that of Dubya, but -- you may want to sit down for this bombshell -- Republicans had a tendency to lie about their opposition.
 
2013-06-10 04:04:48 PM

steve_wmn: WippitGuud: ertznay: James Cameron's Aliens, the godfather of sci-fi action movies

...And thus, with the very first sentence of the article, I stopped reading

You make the claim that there was another sci-fi action move before Aliens which set the standard?

Hating on Cameron has been the thing to do ever since Titanic.  Didn't you get the memo?


www.collectedcurios.com
 
2013-06-10 04:04:50 PM
Er... that's not quiiiite what symbolism means.

Castration seems to be a theme in Big Lebowski, that's a good reading, but just because it's a somewhat hidden or subdued theme doesn't make it symbolism.  Symbolism requires, you know, symbols.

Similarly, No Country for Old Men is ABOUT retirement, rather than symbolizing it.  You can say that Chigur and murder symbolize or represent retirement, but the movie doesn't symbolize it.  That's kinda lazy.
 
2013-06-10 04:06:27 PM

someonelse: The carpet symbolizes the slaughter of the Native Americans by the white man.


Clearly.

*rolls eyes*
 
2013-06-10 04:07:05 PM

Krymson Tyde: And what about The Shining?


You're probably way ahead of me on this one, but there is a documentary out called Room 237 that is all about fans' theories about the symbolism in The Shining.
 
2013-06-10 04:07:07 PM

Boojum2k: EyeballKid: oh_please: I think you're confusing "conservatives" with "fundies"...most conservatives I know are fine with gay rights. And I live in one of the reddest states in the country.

Yeah, just 10 years after that same state turned out to vote for Dubya 'cos that foreign-lookin' John Kerry was gunna make er'body get queer married to each other. Don't act like the conservative movement has been down with homosexuals forever. I mean, they have, but only when nobody's looking.

John Kerry had the exact same position on gay marriage that Bush did. Civil unions were okay, calling it marriage wasn't. They were both wrong. John Kerry had a million more flaws in his candidacy and campaign than any supposed "support" of gay rights.


Obama only started touting gay rights after he got elected for a 2nd term, it's still a very hot-button issue in the African-American community.

It's looking good though, people are realizing legal marriage is a type of business contract and it has nothing to do with a religious ceremony.
 
2013-06-10 04:11:31 PM

LesserEvil: [img2u.info image 544x364]

Calumet represents the peace pipe, here, where Hallorann is talking, Kubric skillfully posed the can to be in full view.


Oh great now some tinfoil hatter is going to zero in on the cans of Tang and completely miss the point.
 
2013-06-10 04:11:36 PM

Mugato: someonelse: The carpet symbolizes the slaughter of the Native Americans by the white man.

Clearly.

*rolls eyes*


I really wanted to like "Room 237" because "The Shining" does lend itself to all kinds of speculation about its meaning. But it mostly came off as a bunch of people so stuck up their own noses that they don't remember what daylight looks like.
 
2013-06-10 04:14:48 PM

that bosnian sniper: LesserEvil: [img2u.info image 544x364]

Calumet represents the peace pipe, here, where Hallorann is talking, Kubric skillfully posed the can to be in full view.

Oh great now some tinfoil hatter is going to zero in on the cans of Tang and completely miss the point.


Or... they will spend time realizing the German typewriter Jack uses in his writing changes color,

img2u.info img2u.info

representing the Holocaust, as Kubrick was clearly trying to show.
 
2013-06-10 04:15:02 PM

shortymac: Boojum2k: EyeballKid: oh_please: I think you're confusing "conservatives" with "fundies"...most conservatives I know are fine with gay rights. And I live in one of the reddest states in the country.

Yeah, just 10 years after that same state turned out to vote for Dubya 'cos that foreign-lookin' John Kerry was gunna make er'body get queer married to each other. Don't act like the conservative movement has been down with homosexuals forever. I mean, they have, but only when nobody's looking.

John Kerry had the exact same position on gay marriage that Bush did. Civil unions were okay, calling it marriage wasn't. They were both wrong. John Kerry had a million more flaws in his candidacy and campaign than any supposed "support" of gay rights.

Obama only started touting gay rights after he got elected for a 2nd term, it's still a very hot-button issue in the African-American community.

It's looking good though, people are realizing legal marriage is a type of business contract and it has nothing to do with a religious ceremony.


The Bush campaign in 2004 actively espoused amending the constitution to ban same-sex marriage at the federal level. Kerry had quietly stated on numerous occasions that he supported same-sex marriage. Unfortunately, in 2004, publicly coming out (no pun intended) loudly in support of same-sex marriage would have been the right and principled thing to do, but also would've killed his chances of being elected. Obama likewise wanted to get elected to his second term, and therefore held off on being publicly in favor of same-sex marriage until after he had been reelected. Sometimes realpolitik comes into play, sadly.
 
2013-06-10 04:16:03 PM

someonelse: Mugato: someonelse: The carpet symbolizes the slaughter of the Native Americans by the white man.

Clearly.

*rolls eyes*

I really wanted to like "Room 237" because "The Shining" does lend itself to all kinds of speculation about its meaning. But it mostly came off as a bunch of people so stuck up their own noses that they don't remember what daylight looks like.


That was actually the point of the movie. If you thought it was a serious treatment of the theories, then it went over your head.
 
2013-06-10 04:17:58 PM

EyeballKid: Boojum2k: EyeballKid: oh_please: I think you're confusing "conservatives" with "fundies"...most conservatives I know are fine with gay rights. And I live in one of the reddest states in the country.

Yeah, just 10 years after that same state turned out to vote for Dubya 'cos that foreign-lookin' John Kerry was gunna make er'body get queer married to each other. Don't act like the conservative movement has been down with homosexuals forever. I mean, they have, but only when nobody's looking.

John Kerry had the exact same position on gay marriage that Bush did. Civil unions were okay, calling it marriage wasn't. They were both wrong. John Kerry had a million more flaws in his candidacy and campaign than any supposed "support" of gay rights.

True, but remember, in 2004, several red states spearheaded an effort to get out the vote by having amendments banning gay marriage from their state constitutions. Yes, Kerry's position was similar to that of Dubya, but -- you may want to sit down for this bombshell -- politicians have a tendency to lie about their opposition.


Fixed it for you. Also, it happened in 2008 as well. Are you calling California a red state?

shortymac: Obama only started touting gay rights after he got elected for a 2nd term, it's still a very hot-button issue in the African-American community.

It's looking good though, people are realizing legal marriage is a type of business contract and it has nothing to do with a religious ceremony.


Pretty much.
 
2013-06-10 04:26:12 PM

Boojum2k: Are you calling California a red state?


www.washingtonpost.com
Well, they vote dumb enough to be a red state.
 
2013-06-10 04:26:25 PM

Lord Dimwit: shortymac: Boojum2k: EyeballKid: oh_please: I think you're confusing "conservatives" with "fundies"...most conservatives I know are fine with gay rights. And I live in one of the reddest states in the country.

The Bush campaign in 2004 actively espoused amending the constitution to ban same-sex marriage at the federal level. Kerry had quietly stated on numerous occasions that he supported same-sex marriage. Unfortunately, in 2004, publicly coming out (no pun intended) loudly in support of same-sex marriage would have been the right and principled thing to do, but also would've killed his chances of being elected. Obama likewise wanted to get elected to his second term, and therefore held off on being publicly in favor of same-sex marriage until after he had been reelected. Sometimes realpolitik comes into play, sadly.


Kerry killed his chances of being elected so many times, I doubt he'd have lost a single vote from that issue. He just didn't support it. Neither did Obama, or he'd have used his Democratic majority House and Senate in 2009 to get rid of the Defense of Marriage Act Clinton signed. That would have been more popular than the Affordable Care Act. We didn't see a move on DA/DT until the courts had already killed it (and it was the Log Cabin Republicans behind the suit that did so), and a bill was rushed through the exiting Dem congress to get the publicity of being the gravediggers.
 
2013-06-10 04:27:03 PM

EyeballKid: Boojum2k: Are you calling California a red state?

[www.washingtonpost.com image 606x409]
Well, they vote dumb enough to be a red state.


ROFL well, okay. Good point.
 
2013-06-10 04:49:25 PM

oldfarthenry: Everyone raved about the sparing use of the shark in `Jaws' - claiming that having the villain unseen helped build the tension & fear.
Truth was the mechanical shark was a piece of schitt that never worked properly.


Jaws is basically about Spielberg dragging a huge success out of a crisis.

The shark was a piece of schitt. As a result, two things happened: the film had delays, which allowed the writer more time to improve the script. AND the photography became more about the tension, the unseen villain. A lot of it was "winged" - script changes done overnight and passed around.
 
2013-06-10 05:01:23 PM

gunga galunga: thecpt: That's a cool look at inception. The rest were no duhs or okay whatever.

And it was completely plagiarized from Devin Faraci of CHUD.com.

http://www.chud.com/24477/never-wake-up-the-meaning-and-secret-of-in ce ption/

TFA:
The evidence is kind of undeniable. First off, every member of the "Dream Hacker" squad has a role that corresponds with a role on a movie set: Eames (Tom Hardy) is the actor, because he can literally change faces -- sometimes while sitting in front of an actor's vanity mirror:

Ariadne (Ellen Page) is the screenwriter, because she designs the dreams; Saito (Ken Watanabe) is a studio executive, because he's paying for the whole thing; Cobb (Leonardo DiCaprio) is the director, the one with vision, the guy who can bring the whole thing together. Hell, he even looks like Christopher Nolan.

Joseph Gordon-Levitt's character, Arthur, is the producer, the guy who knows how it all works (that's why he speaks almost exclusively in expository dialogue), and Yusuf (good ol' Dileep Rao) is the special effects guy, because most of you forgot he existed and he probably never got his share of the bounty. It's no mistake that the coolest special effects moment in the movie only happens because of something he did, and the movie specifically points out that he gets no credit for it:

Finally, Dom Cobb and the Inceptors' mission is remarkably similar to the mission of a moviemaker: they want to change the way someone (in this case, Cillian Murphy's character) thinks about the world -- like any artist. Even the strategies they discuss (focusing on positive emotion instead of negative emotion, and not "disturbing the subconscious" by changing the rules out of nowhere) are movie-making tactics: You got to establish rules for your movie universe, and you can't break them, or the audience chases you with motorcycles and stabs you to death.

Devin Faraci's CHUD.com article on the movie:
The heist team quite neatly maps to major players in a film production. Co ...


Swing and a miss.
 
2013-06-10 05:05:13 PM

ertznay: You make the claim that there was another sci-fi action move before Aliens which set the standard?

Hating on Cameron has been the thing to do ever since Titanic.  Didn't you get the memo?

I am not hating on Cameron, the first Terminator, is still one of my all time favorites, but if any movie deserves the title 'godfather of sci-fi action', my vote goes for Star Wars. And yes, Titanic sucked.


Honestly though, Star Wars isn't Sci-Fi, it's Fantasy. It just happens to be set in space and have lasers. All of the tropes presented in the plot are those of fantasy stories. Find the Mentor, Befriend the Rogue, Save the Princess, Destroy the Empire. I recall someone asking R.A. Salvatore when he wrote the 'Attack of  the Clones' novel to accompany the movie if it was difficult transitioning to Sci-Fi from Fantasy and he said essentially the same thing. Star Wars IS Fantasy.

Sci-Fi is generally more introspective and full of social commentary. It asks questions about humanity. Think Heinlein, Aasimov or Phillip K. Dick.
 
2013-06-10 05:10:41 PM
Also, the symbolism in X-Men is hardly worth saying "did you notice that?" It's not even remotely subtle. The scenes with kids 'coming out' as mutants to their parents?
"Have you tried not being a mutant?"
Sound anything like...
"Have you tried not being gay?"

And then there was First Class. That movie pissed me off with how transparent it was. "Mutant and Proud" as a mantra is hokey sounding and obviously a metaphor for homosexuality.

I don't have a problem with the message, but try not to be so ham-fisted, people. Subtlety is an art form unto itself.
 
2013-06-10 05:19:03 PM

Geotpf: LesserEvil: Krymson Tyde: And what about The Shining?

Clearly about how Kubrik helped film a fake moon landing....

[img2u.info image 800x450]

Danny here is wearing an Apollo 11 sweater rising from a launch pad. The moon is 237,000 miles from the earth, and he changed the room number to 237 for no particularly valid reason. There's much more....

I love that carpet.  Just wanted to share.


It really pulls the room together.
 
2013-06-10 05:33:53 PM

Sensual Tyrannosaurus: Also, the symbolism in X-Men is hardly worth saying "did you notice that?" It's not even remotely subtle. The scenes with kids 'coming out' as mutants to their parents?
"Have you tried not being a mutant?"
Sound anything like...
"Have you tried not being gay?"

And then there was First Class. That movie pissed me off with how transparent it was. "Mutant and Proud" as a mantra is hokey sounding and obviously a metaphor for homosexuality.

I don't have a problem with the message, but try not to be so ham-fisted, people. Subtlety is an art form unto itself.


You know who likes fisting hams?  Ah, oh, forget it...
 
2013-06-10 05:55:14 PM

Lord Dimwit: No Country for Old Men may or may not be about "retirement" - but I don't think so. It's about how mankind tells himself stories about how he can control the world and behavior through laws and rules when in fact the world doesn't care at all for our rules and restrictions, and whatever's going to happen is going to happen - but we keep trying anyway, futilely.

Beautiful film. One of my favorites.

Haven't read the book yet though, so, I can't speak to it's meaning.


The movie is clearly about how Spanish people are all out to kill us.
 
2013-06-10 06:11:15 PM

EyeballKid: oh_please: I think you're confusing "conservatives" with "fundies"...most conservatives I know are fine with gay rights. And I live in one of the reddest states in the country.

Yeah, just 10 years after that same state turned out to vote for Dubya 'cos that foreign-lookin' John Kerry was gunna make er'body get queer married to each other. Don't act like the conservative movement has been down with homosexuals forever. I mean, they have, but only when nobody's looking.


Sure, that's why Kerry lost in Alabama. If he had been against gay marriage, he would have taken Alabama in a landslide, no problem.

shortymac: Obama only started touting gay rights after he got elected for a 2nd term, it's still a very hot-button issue in the African-American community.


This.
 
2013-06-10 06:12:37 PM
The Wizard of Oz is responsible for the hitman subgenre.
 
2013-06-10 06:13:20 PM
 
2013-06-10 06:21:56 PM

Lord Dimwit: shortymac: Boojum2k: EyeballKid: oh_please: I think you're confusing "conservatives" with "fundies"...most conservatives I know are fine with gay rights. And I live in one of the reddest states in the country.

Yeah, just 10 years after that same state turned out to vote for Dubya 'cos that foreign-lookin' John Kerry was gunna make er'body get queer married to each other. Don't act like the conservative movement has been down with homosexuals forever. I mean, they have, but only when nobody's looking.

John Kerry had the exact same position on gay marriage that Bush did. Civil unions were okay, calling it marriage wasn't. They were both wrong. John Kerry had a million more flaws in his candidacy and campaign than any supposed "support" of gay rights.

Obama only started touting gay rights after he got elected for a 2nd term, it's still a very hot-button issue in the African-American community.

It's looking good though, people are realizing legal marriage is a type of business contract and it has nothing to do with a religious ceremony.

The Bush campaign in 2004 actively espoused amending the constitution to ban same-sex marriage at the federal level. Kerry had quietly stated on numerous occasions that he supported same-sex marriage. Unfortunately, in 2004, publicly coming out (no pun intended) loudly in support of same-sex marriage would have been the right and principled thing to do, but also would've killed his chances of being elected. Obama likewise wanted to get elected to his second term, and therefore held off on being publicly in favor of same-sex marriage until after he had been reelected. Sometimes realpolitik comes into play, sadly.


Kerry lost the 2004 election on October 11th, 2002.

Not so coincidentally, that was the same day Hillary Clinton lost the 2008 Democratic primary.
 
2013-06-10 06:57:27 PM

phoenix352: Did anyone else catch that "The Big Lebowski is the  Citizen Kane of movies,"


That's because Citizen Kane is a FILM.
 
2013-06-10 07:16:49 PM

PizzaJedi81: spelletrader: It just so happens that homosexual rights are the current mainstream civil rights movement.

Not for Conservatives.


Conservatives were pretty against the mainstream civil rights movement, too.
 
2013-06-10 07:26:27 PM
The mutant/gay symbolism wasn't meant to be reflected in the "born that way" argument.  It was intended to be reflected in the "have superpowers / next stage of evolution" ideas.  Intolerant breeders are breeding themselves into extinction!  Put penises in your butt and you can shoot eye lasers (like we're really supposed to believe Cyclops was hetero)!  Just more lies and propaganda from the Gay RecruItment Machine, but this time they're aiming right at your kid's face!
 
2013-06-10 07:37:52 PM

Fano: phoenix352: Did anyone else catch that "The Big Lebowski is the  Citizen Kane of movies,"

That's because Citizen Kane is a FILM.


He called "The Big Lebowski" the Citizen Kane of movies???

CITIZEN KANE IS A MOVIE!!

I can't believe this idiot was able to get this garbage posted!  What a crock!  How can this guy claim any authority to analyze movies when he fails to recognize on of the greatest works of the medium?  Personally, I think that not only demonstrates the laziness of the writer, but is also an indictment on the editorial staff at Cracked.  You would think somewhere in the process of writing to publishing, an error that enormous would have been noticed.  If anything, it is just a sign of the times, as your average, brain-dead, Tweeter-addicted teenager probably doesn't even know "Citizen Kane" is a movie, unless they looked it up on Wikipedia after illegally downloading the porn parody.  It is really a shame that this society gives people like this writer a voice, when in fact they should be mocked and harassed for publicly spouting their idiocy.  It really grinds my gears that people like this writer have the same number of votes as I do.  I mean, I hold a Masters degree from a prestigious university, and he doesn't even know what Citizen Kane is.  No wonder this country's political system is quickly shooting down the crapper.  We have become a society that rewards big mouths and no brains.  As a result, we have leaders who are more than happy to sell off our freedom and liberty to the highest corporate bidder.  Where is the responsibility in this country?  We wouldn't have a portion of the problems in this country that we have today, if someone would have just pointed out sooner that Citizen Kane is a farking movie!!!!
 
2013-06-10 08:23:04 PM
the movie Yellow submarine, is about that time Ringo Starr dropped acid and had diarrhea on a parked school bus

STUDY IT OUT!!
 
2013-06-10 08:47:25 PM

Sensual Tyrannosaurus: ertznay: You make the claim that there was another sci-fi action move before Aliens which set the standard?

Hating on Cameron has been the thing to do ever since Titanic.  Didn't you get the memo?

I am not hating on Cameron, the first Terminator, is still one of my all time favorites, but if any movie deserves the title 'godfather of sci-fi action', my vote goes for Star Wars. And yes, Titanic sucked.

Honestly though, Star Wars isn't Sci-Fi, it's Fantasy. It just happens to be set in space and have lasers. All of the tropes presented in the plot are those of fantasy stories. Find the Mentor, Befriend the Rogue, Save the Princess, Destroy the Empire. I recall someone asking R.A. Salvatore when he wrote the 'Attack of  the Clones' novel to accompany the movie if it was difficult transitioning to Sci-Fi from Fantasy and he said essentially the same thing. Star Wars IS Fantasy.

Sci-Fi is generally more introspective and full of social commentary. It asks questions about humanity. Think Heinlein, Aasimov or Phillip K. Dick.


2001 would have a much better claim as the godfather of sci-fi.  Or maybe go back further to Metropolis or something, but not as many people have seen it.
 
2013-06-10 08:47:26 PM

oh_please: EyeballKid: oh_please: I think you're confusing "conservatives" with "fundies"...most conservatives I know are fine with gay rights. And I live in one of the reddest states in the country.

Yeah, just 10 years after that same state turned out to vote for Dubya 'cos that foreign-lookin' John Kerry was gunna make er'body get queer married to each other. Don't act like the conservative movement has been down with homosexuals forever. I mean, they have, but only when nobody's looking.

Sure, that's why Kerry lost in Alabama. If he had been against gay marriage, he would have taken Alabama in a landslide, no problem.

shortymac: Obama only started touting gay rights after he got elected for a 2nd term, it's still a very hot-button issue in the African-American community.

This.


And there's something to be said for taking Alabama at the exclusion of other states?
 
2013-06-10 08:58:01 PM

Shazam999: I felt like I was being slapped on the face with Ian McKellan's cock when I was watching the X-Men movies.


Funny, for me it was the other way around.
 
2013-06-10 09:18:53 PM

CptnSpldng: oh_please: EyeballKid: oh_please: I think you're confusing "conservatives" with "fundies"...most conservatives I know are fine with gay rights. And I live in one of the reddest states in the country.

Yeah, just 10 years after that same state
turned out to vote for Dubya 'cos that foreign-lookin' John Kerry was gunna make er'body get queer married to each other. Don't act like the conservative movement has been down with homosexuals forever. I mean, they have, but only when nobody's looking.

Sure, that's why Kerry lost in Alabama. If he had been against gay marriage, he would have taken Alabama in a landslide, no problem.

shortymac: Obama only started touting gay rights after he got elected for a 2nd term, it's still a very hot-button issue in the African-American community.

This.

And there's something to be said for taking Alabama at the exclusion of other states?


That's what he seemed to be talking about.
 
2013-06-10 09:23:17 PM

Lord Dimwit: No Country for Old Men may or may not be about "retirement" - but I don't think so. It's about how mankind tells himself stories about how he can control the world and behavior through laws and rules when in fact the world doesn't care at all for our rules and restrictions, and whatever's going to happen is going to happen - but we keep trying anyway, futilely.

Beautiful film. One of my favorites.

Haven't read the book yet though, so, I can't speak to it's meaning.


I thought that the whole point of the story was the scene near the end where the hero (Tommy Lee Jones) is about to confront the villain, but instead of following through and opening the door to the motel room (as Hollywood tradition dictates for a Western) he simply walks away as he's not up to the task.

Cormac McCarthy has made it clear that The Road is about the fact that by the time his son enters college, Cormac (who's in his 70s now) will be dead, and unable to protect him.
 
2013-06-10 09:28:37 PM
Re: No Country For Old Men

Your movie may have a problem when it would be improved by completely removing the one character it is supposedly "about".
 
2013-06-10 10:01:14 PM

Lord Dimwit: No Country for Old Men may or may not be about "retirement" - but I don't think so. It's about how mankind tells himself stories about how he can control the world and behavior through laws and rules when in fact the world doesn't care at all for our rules and restrictions, and whatever's going to happen is going to happen - but we keep trying anyway, futilely.

Beautiful film. One of my favorites.

Haven't read the book yet though, so, I can't speak to it's meaning.


i.imgur.com

/couldn't resist
 
2013-06-10 10:04:01 PM

movieman_1979: Think the word you're looking for there is "symbology", subby


Had to check the comments in hopes someone made this reference.
 
2013-06-10 10:36:22 PM

Skyrmion: Re: No Country For Old Men

Your movie may have a problem when it would be improved by completely removing the one character it is supposedly "about".


So, too many characters?  Sounds like "Too many notes".  Who the hell would you remove?  Jones? Brolin? Are you one of those guys who didn't like the end of the film?
 
2013-06-10 10:53:24 PM

knbwhite: Skyrmion: Re: No Country For Old Men

Your movie may have a problem when it would be improved by completely removing the one character it is supposedly "about".

So, too many characters?  Sounds like "Too many notes".  Who the hell would you remove?  Jones? Brolin? Are you one of those guys who didn't like the end of the film?


I thought it would have been better without the entire Tommy Lee Jones thread.
 
2013-06-10 11:56:13 PM

Shazam999: Sensual Tyrannosaurus: Also, the symbolism in X-Men is hardly worth saying "did you notice that?" It's not even remotely subtle. The scenes with kids 'coming out' as mutants to their parents?
"Have you tried not being a mutant?"
Sound anything like...
"Have you tried not being gay?"

And then there was First Class. That movie pissed me off with how transparent it was. "Mutant and Proud" as a mantra is hokey sounding and obviously a metaphor for homosexuality.

I don't have a problem with the message, but try not to be so ham-fisted, people. Subtlety is an art form unto itself.

You know who likes fisting hams?  Ah, oh, forget it...


Kermit?
 
2013-06-11 12:16:45 AM
I have not seen any of those movies.

WTF
 
2013-06-11 12:21:15 AM

Dwight_Yeast: I thought that the whole point of the story was the scene near the end where the hero (Tommy Lee Jones) is about to confront the villain, but instead of following through and opening the door to the motel room (as Hollywood tradition dictates for a Western) he simply walks away as he's not up to the task.


Pretty sure this never happens.  He opens the door and goes inside, there's just nobody there at the time.
 
2013-06-11 12:41:43 AM
cdn2.openculture.com

Obviously, some of you are fans of this documentary.

A documentary where even Alex Jones would go 'Farking hell, you're trolling me, right?'.
 
2013-06-11 02:42:32 AM

Skyrmion: Re: No Country For Old Men

Your movie may have a problem when it would be improved by completely removing the one character it is supposedly "about".


Confused Mathew did a great review of this supposedly good movie.
 
2013-06-11 02:49:33 AM

Uzzah: There are a couple of different stories at work there, but the entire purpose of Tommy Lee Jones' character is to show that he sees how the times have outpaced him and it's time for him to retire. It's not subtle or hidden at all.


This, but for all of the movies listed.

It's not so much symbology, but trope or obvious parallel.

Inception.  No duh.  They're all putting on a performance for their target, so yes, you will have simulacra/counterparts to any other show production.

X-men.  The shift from race equality to gay rights was tiny, add a couple heavy handed lines that almost come off as jokes just to make the bigots look worse( Have you tried not being..). Racism doesn't quite work, because many mutants are not obvious visually, so homosexuality was a bit more apt.  The writing may have been intentional, but it was not symbology, it was a distinct parallel to how the real world works, same as inception.  At it's heart, it's about bigotry, always was, they just incorporated a newer type that fit well is all.

Aliens. Standard horror movie trope.  Bad decisions all around, almost everyone dies. Also: Soldiers that look like soldiers and fighting craft that vaguely resembles fighting craft?  Whoever wrote it is reaching for straws here.

Big Lebowski. I'll cut this one some slack, just because so much crazy in the movie it could be stretched to man a lot of stuff.  But intentional symbology?  if they say so now, it would come off as "um....uh....I meant to do that! Yeah, totally!" (Ala Bladerunner being a robot derp)
 
2013-06-11 04:49:01 AM

Skyrmion: knbwhite: Skyrmion: Re: No Country For Old Men

Your movie may have a problem when it would be improved by completely removing the one character it is supposedly "about".

So, too many characters?  Sounds like "Too many notes".  Who the hell would you remove?  Jones? Brolin? Are you one of those guys who didn't like the end of the film?

I thought it would have been better without the entire Tommy Lee Jones thread.


Let's remove Bruce Wayne from the next Batman movie while we're at it.  Or the Vietnam War from Apocalypse now.  Oh I know... Moby Dick without the whale.

TLJ is what the movie is farking about, you numbskull.  Go make your own movie if you refuse to acknowledge that.
 
2013-06-11 05:54:23 AM

WippitGuud: ertznay: James Cameron's Aliens, the godfather of sci-fi action movies

...And thus, with the very first sentence of the article, I stopped reading

You make the claim that there was another sci-fi action move before Aliens which set the standard?


Plan 9.
 
2013-06-11 08:27:03 AM

WippitGuud: ertznay: James Cameron's Aliens, the godfather of sci-fi action movies

...And thus, with the very first sentence of the article, I stopped reading

You make the claim that there was another sci-fi action move before Aliens which set the standard?


Really depends on your definition of an action movie, but Outland makes a good contender, certainly the last act.

Colour_out_of_Space: Shazam999: I felt like I was being slapped on the face with Ian McKellan's cock when I was watching the X-Men movies.

Funny, for me it was the other way around.


So, being slapped in the face by Ian McKellan's cock starts out pretty good, becomes great, but then just ends in disappointment?

Useful to know.
 
2013-06-11 11:17:25 AM

Shazam999: I felt like I was being slapped on the face with Ian McKellan's cock when I was watching the X-Men movies.


Were you sitting in his hot tub when you were watching the movie?
 
2013-06-11 11:54:01 AM

ko_kyi: Shazam999: I felt like I was being slapped on the face with Ian McKellan's cock when I was watching the X-Men movies.

Were you sitting in his hot tub when you were watching the movie?


I didn't say I didn't enjoy it...
 
2013-06-11 12:16:06 PM

LesserEvil: that bosnian sniper: LesserEvil: [img2u.info image 544x364]

Calumet represents the peace pipe, here, where Hallorann is talking, Kubric skillfully posed the can to be in full view.

Oh great now some tinfoil hatter is going to zero in on the cans of Tang and completely miss the point.

Or... they will spend time realizing the German typewriter Jack uses in his writing changes color,

[img2u.info image 400x300] [img2u.info image 320x240]

representing the Holocaust, as Kubrick was clearly trying to show.


One of the funniest tinfoil hat ones was that apparently now makes it about the loss of the Gold Standard. The same commentator used to think it was about child abuse, but I guess RON PAUL happened to him.
 
2013-06-11 02:54:21 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Skyrmion: knbwhite: Skyrmion: Re: No Country For Old Men

Your movie may have a problem when it would be improved by completely removing the one character it is supposedly "about".

So, too many characters?  Sounds like "Too many notes".  Who the hell would you remove?  Jones? Brolin? Are you one of those guys who didn't like the end of the film?

I thought it would have been better without the entire Tommy Lee Jones thread.

Let's remove Bruce Wayne from the next Batman movie while we're at it.  Or the Vietnam War from Apocalypse now.  Oh I know... Moby Dick without the whale.

TLJ is what the movie is farking about, you numbskull.  Go make your own movie if you refuse to acknowledge that.


Nice reading comprehension you've got there. Did you see the part where I said, Your movie may have a problem when it would be improved by completely removing the one character it is supposedly "about"?
 
2013-06-11 11:09:02 PM

Shazam999: I felt like I was being slapped on the face with Ian McKellan's cock when I was watching the X-Men movies.


Okay, I laughed out loud at that. Well done.
 
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