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(Sun Sentinel)   The trial of wannabe cop, racist, and self-appointed Neighborhood Watch Captain George Zimmerman begins today. This has the potential to be the biggest circus since the OJ trial. It's your Official Stand Your Ground Trial discussion thread   (sun-sentinel.com) divider line 992
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2013-06-10 08:14:44 AM
INNOCENT!
 
2013-06-10 08:16:06 AM
DRINK!

Oh and great trolling with SYG there.  10/10, you will get bites a'plenty.
 
2013-06-10 08:20:05 AM
If you can shoot a hooker in Texas, why not a black teenager in Florida?
 
2013-06-10 08:22:05 AM
Racist, Subby? That teen was armed with Skittles!
 
2013-06-10 08:22:34 AM
Nice that he is complmenting his girlfriend by attempting to look like her.


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2013-06-10 08:24:42 AM
I honestly forgot all about this.
 
2013-06-10 08:24:53 AM
Here are what I believe to be the objective facts of the matter:  Zimmerman took it upon himself to follow Martin, suspecting him in some sort of shady business.  A 911 officer told him "you don't have to follow him", which is neither an order nor something the dispatcher has the authority to order.  Zimmerman disregarded that and followed him anyway.  At some point, a confrontation broke out and that's where we're sadly lacking in concrete facts.  At some point during the scuffle, Martin presumably got the upper hand and Zimmerman fired the fatal shot, now claiming it was in self defense.
 
2013-06-10 08:27:36 AM
Sasly, I will be at work and can't drink.
 
2013-06-10 08:28:35 AM
The case will be decided in court.

The law is absolutely retarded. It's a free invitation to escalate encounters to the level of death.
 
2013-06-10 08:41:41 AM
I guess it's been a while since we've had a trial of the century...say 3 weeks or so?
 
2013-06-10 08:47:10 AM

nekom: Here are what I believe to be the objective facts of the matter:  Zimmerman took it upon himself to follow Martin, suspecting him in some sort of shady business.  A 911 officer told him "you don't have to follow him", which is neither an order nor something the dispatcher has the authority to order.  Zimmerman disregarded that and followed him anyway.  At some point, a confrontation broke out and that's where we're sadly lacking in concrete facts.  At some point during the scuffle, Martin presumably got the upper hand and Zimmerman fired the fatal shot, now claiming it was in self defense.


B-b-but gang banger and racist!

Unfortunately character assassination from both parties will be introduced in the trial, too.
 
2013-06-10 08:48:34 AM
GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY! TAR AND FEATHER THE BASTARD!!!
 
2013-06-10 08:49:02 AM

Diogenes: nekom: Here are what I believe to be the objective facts of the matter:  Zimmerman took it upon himself to follow Martin, suspecting him in some sort of shady business.  A 911 officer told him "you don't have to follow him", which is neither an order nor something the dispatcher has the authority to order.  Zimmerman disregarded that and followed him anyway.  At some point, a confrontation broke out and that's where we're sadly lacking in concrete facts.  At some point during the scuffle, Martin presumably got the upper hand and Zimmerman fired the fatal shot, now claiming it was in self defense.

B-b-but gang banger and racist!

Unfortunately character assassination from both parties will be introduced in the trial, too.


I'm honestly a little shocked at how much leeway they seem to be getting in introducing clearly prejudicial information meant to discredit. Granted I don't have a lot of firsthand info, maybe it just seems that way.
 
2013-06-10 08:52:35 AM
Bigger than Casey Anthony or Jodi Arias?

That's going to take a lot.
 
2013-06-10 08:54:54 AM
Diogenes:
B-b-but gang banger and racist!

Unfortunately character assassination from both parties will be introduced in the trial, too.


Sadly, you're probably right.  That may well help the prosecution, if they can get emotion interjected in it.  Conversely, the defense would probably prefer everything go very clinically.  What sort of a judge we're looking at may come into play in that regard.

Martin probably smoked pot.  That's totally irrelevant.  Zimmerman is also likely a racist, also irrelevant.  No one is really sure who started the fight.  I can't see them getting a murder conviction.  Yet a young man is dead that didn't deserve to die, so no matter the outcome there are no winners here, it's just a total mess and the aftermath might get even more ugly.
 
2013-06-10 08:56:05 AM

LasersHurt: Diogenes: nekom: Here are what I believe to be the objective facts of the matter:  Zimmerman took it upon himself to follow Martin, suspecting him in some sort of shady business.  A 911 officer told him "you don't have to follow him", which is neither an order nor something the dispatcher has the authority to order.  Zimmerman disregarded that and followed him anyway.  At some point, a confrontation broke out and that's where we're sadly lacking in concrete facts.  At some point during the scuffle, Martin presumably got the upper hand and Zimmerman fired the fatal shot, now claiming it was in self defense.

B-b-but gang banger and racist!

Unfortunately character assassination from both parties will be introduced in the trial, too.

I'm honestly a little shocked at how much leeway they seem to be getting in introducing clearly prejudicial information meant to discredit. Granted I don't have a lot of firsthand info, maybe it just seems that way.


And is one of the reasons I scaling back my expectations that this trial will be anything even resembling fair.
 
2013-06-10 09:01:29 AM
This has the potential to be the biggest circus sine the OJ trial.

I bet this thread will go off on some tangent.
 
2013-06-10 09:01:57 AM
Subby published this before with the same headline. Next!
 
2013-06-10 09:03:15 AM
I can't make a decision until Nancy Grace tells me how I should feel.
 
2013-06-10 09:03:25 AM

jehovahs witness protection: INNOCENT!


At this point, I don't even care what the jury decides.  It was the fact that they wouldn't even charge Zimmerman in the first place that felt wrong.
 
2013-06-10 09:04:12 AM
My prediction: Zimmerman turns out to be the Lindbergh baby.
 
2013-06-10 09:04:42 AM
Prepare for the civil unrest.
 
2013-06-10 09:05:10 AM
I don't care if you think Zimmerman's Innocent, or if he's Guilty.

I'm just going to set back and enjoy both sides eating a nice, big helping of chaos and discord.

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2013-06-10 09:05:24 AM
I still can't believe Jorge Lopez-Ramirez Steinberg murdered that 6 pound, 4 ounce baby boy in cold blood.

R.I.P. TRAYVON, SEE YOU AT THA CROSSROADS.

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2013-06-10 09:05:42 AM
Shat. I forgot my popcorn.
 
2013-06-10 09:06:21 AM
He should fry after sending those telegraphs to Mexico asking them to start a war with us.

Wait...what were we talking about again?
 
2013-06-10 09:06:25 AM
Is it on Fox New yet? I don't believe anything before it's on FOX News!
 
2013-06-10 09:06:43 AM
www.hollywoodreporter.com
RIP

 
2013-06-10 09:06:46 AM
LOUD NOISES!
 
2013-06-10 09:06:47 AM

SilentStrider: Sasly, I will be at work and can't drink.




Of course you can drink!
You may not be allowed to drink, but that is an entirely separate issue from the matter at hand.

doyner: I guess it's been a while since we've had a trial of the century...say 3 weeks or so?


Also: This.

/I'm betting on innocent.
/If not in this trial, he'll walk on appeal.
 
2013-06-10 09:07:18 AM
I'm not a lawyer, but it seems common sense that ANY interpretation of the "stand your ground" law would be mitigated by "forcing a confrontation" that wasn't justified in the first place. You can't attack someone for no legal reason, then kill them and say "i was standing my ground". Your initial illegal contact with the person vitiates any following legal defense. In other words, you cant attack/re strain a person for doing nothing but walking down the street, and when they defend themselves against your illegal and unjustified attack, kill them and say "i was defending myself, in fear of my life." You initiated the problem with your illegal confrontation, and just because you started losing the fight, doesn't give you Prima facie right to use deadly force, as the initial contact was in itself illegal.

That defense would be like a burglar breaking into someone's home..and when the homeowner attempts to restrain/arrest the suspect, the suspect kills him, using a "stand your ground" defense. To me, this defense is not unlike the "poisonous fruits" rule..which states that any "evidence" gained through illegal or unconstitutional means is "poisoned" by your illegal actions, and therefore, you may not use it in court.

But as i said, I'm not a lawyer, and i thought they would find OJ guilty, so what the hell do i know.
 
2013-06-10 09:07:36 AM

Arkanaut: jehovahs witness protection: INNOCENT!

At this point, I don't even care what the jury decides.  It was the fact that they wouldn't even charge Zimmerman in the first place that felt wrong.


The fact that they only charged him after outside pressure felt wrong to me. Prosecutors love to prosecute.  They don't have a case.
 
2013-06-10 09:07:49 AM

star_topology: Shat. I forgot my popcorn.


Want some of mine?

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CHAOS, MOTHERFARKER.
 
2013-06-10 09:07:53 AM
Is he guilty? Probably

Will he get off? Probably

Will there be a riot afterwards? Probably
 
2013-06-10 09:08:29 AM
Remember when you were innocent and had to be proven guilty? Zimmerman has already been found guilty by the media and has an uphill battle for sure. I think if he is found guilty, cities will burn.
Also, Trayvon isn't on trial, so let's not bring up his indiscretions as a youth.
 
2013-06-10 09:08:39 AM

nekom: Diogenes:
B-b-but gang banger and racist!

Unfortunately character assassination from both parties will be introduced in the trial, too.

Sadly, you're probably right.  That may well help the prosecution, if they can get emotion interjected in it.  Conversely, the defense would probably prefer everything go very clinically.  What sort of a judge we're looking at may come into play in that regard.

Martin probably smoked pot.  That's totally irrelevant.  Zimmerman is also likely a racist, also irrelevant.  No one is really sure who started the fight.  I can't see them getting a murder conviction.  Yet a young man is dead that didn't deserve to die, so no matter the outcome there are no winners here, it's just a total mess and the aftermath might get even more ugly.




The thug brought being shot on himself. He was trying to kill Zimmerman pounding his into the ground. World is better off with out Martin
 
2013-06-10 09:08:42 AM
If the skittles make you shiat
you must acquit
 
2013-06-10 09:08:51 AM

Mrtraveler01: I can't make a decision until Nancy Grace tells me how I should feel.


Aroused?
 
2013-06-10 09:08:54 AM

nekom: DRINK!

Oh and great trolling with SYG there.  10/10, you will get bites a'plenty.


Damn me for having to work today :P

This is gonna be epic!

I've got the popcorn if anyone needs some ;)

/do a shot everytime Nancy Grace appears on the screen
 
2013-06-10 09:08:57 AM
I've been carrying a concealed weapon -- with a permit, of course -- for eight years (so I'm getting a big kick out of these replies)...
This was murder.

A civilian with a concealed carry permit has no business following anyone and farking with them, starting or escalating any confrontation. While we have the right and ability to defend ourselves, that right ends if we seek out, provoke or prolong an incident.

This is a moral opinion, not a legal one... but that's what should matter here. George Zimmerman was looking for a situation where he would get to shoot his gun. He deliberately created that situation. He belongs in prison. Fark him.
 
2013-06-10 09:09:20 AM

LasersHurt: The case will be decided in court.

The law is absolutely retarded. It's a free invitation to escalate encounters to the level of death.


I totally agree with this. What are you americans thinking when you make a law stating "if he comes at you, it's ok to kill him." Stand your ground is BS.
 
2013-06-10 09:09:32 AM
FACT. He is a killer
FACT. He lied to a judge about how much money he had
FACT. He was stalking this young man before he killed him
FACT. (yet to be proven) he will get off and it will cause another race riot.
 
2013-06-10 09:09:36 AM

cig-mkr: Remember when you were innocent and had to be proven guilty? Zimmerman has already been found guilty by the media and has an uphill battle for sure. I think if he is found guilty, cities will burn.
Also, Trayvon isn't on trial, so let's not bring up his indiscretions as a youth.


You should tell the Zimmerman defense team that. Because that's what they're relying on to convince the jury that Zimmerman is innocent.
 
2013-06-10 09:10:00 AM

Bit'O'Gristle: But as i said, I'm not a lawyer, and i thought they would find OJ guilty, so what the hell do i know.


Are you kidding? After Mark Fuhrman called OJ the N-Word?

He could have murdered Obama in the middle of his inaugural speech and the jury wouldn't have convicted him at that point.
 
2013-06-10 09:10:26 AM
No, the legal opinion is what should matter, not an individual's moral opinion. Now, you could say that morals should guide the lawmaking, but that's not what's at stake here.
 
2013-06-10 09:10:49 AM
I feel sorry for the jurors. Many weeks of their lives suffering this circus.
 
2013-06-10 09:10:58 AM
Clearly, there is only on real solution.

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2013-06-10 09:11:13 AM
This never would have happened and Zimmerman never would have gotten out of his vehicle had he not been suffering from ABBS (Artificial Brass Balls Syndrome) because he was carrying.
 
2013-06-10 09:11:34 AM

Tom_Slick: Clearly, there is only on real solution.

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Killian, I'm going to rip your head off and shove it up your ass!
 
2013-06-10 09:11:38 AM
manslaughter 2
 
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