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2013-06-10 07:14:04 AM
Interesting article. I'm curious how this will all play out, now that the ACLU can make a case before SCOTUS regarding warranted wiretaps
 
2013-06-10 08:09:19 AM
I don't think people even care about what the program actually does, now. They have the boil in their blood and they want their pound of flesh.
 
2013-06-10 08:12:20 AM
Followup?

DONNA CASSATA and JOSH LEDERMAN 2013-06-06T13:07:07Z June 7, 2013, 9:07 AM
 
2013-06-10 08:12:49 AM
Sucks when you get caught in a lie told to congress.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-06-10 08:34:12 AM

LasersHurt: I don't think people even care about what the program actually does, now. They have the boil in their blood and they want their pound of flesh.


Yes.  I thought this was funny.
 
2013-06-10 08:36:40 AM

vpb: LasersHurt: I don't think people even care about what the program actually does, now. They have the boil in their blood and they want their pound of flesh.

Yes.  I thought this was funny.


Reddit has already canonized him as a saint as well. I'm afraid the dude misinterpreted some of what he saw and is just way off base here, which will probably end poorly for him.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-06-10 08:41:05 AM
LasersHurt:
Reddit has already canonized him as a saint as well. I'm afraid the dude misinterpreted some of what he saw and is just way off base here, which will probably end poorly for him.

Yes, it's a shame too, because he doesn't seem like a bad guy, just really naive.  At some point he is going to realize that this was about as sensible as joining the Army in 2003 so he could go on a crusade to bring freedom to the Arabs.
 
2013-06-10 09:31:32 AM
That's what "they" want you to think!
 
2013-06-10 09:35:46 AM
I'm starting to wonder if I'm the Scottie Pippen of TFark,
 
2013-06-10 09:38:27 AM
I wonder if the Chinese want to find this guy and tase his balls until he spills everything he knows.
 
2013-06-10 09:45:42 AM

OtherLittleGuy: I'm starting to wonder if I'm the Scottie Pippen of TFark,


Why do you say that?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-06-10 09:46:32 AM

basemetal: I wonder if the Chinese want to find this guy and tase his balls until he spills everything he knows.


If he knows anything he hasn't spilled.  I'm sure any passwords or access he had to anything has already been canceled.

I wouldn't be surprised if they simply hand him over.  The funny thing is that Hong Kong has an extradition treaty with the US, even though the rest of the PRC doesn't.  He would have been better off going to Beijing.

He seems to think that Hong Kong is actually independent of the rest of China.
 
2013-06-10 09:54:46 AM

vpb: basemetal: I wonder if the Chinese want to find this guy and tase his balls until he spills everything he knows.

If he knows anything he hasn't spilled.  I'm sure any passwords or access he had to anything has already been canceled.

I wouldn't be surprised if they simply hand him over.  The funny thing is that Hong Kong has an extradition treaty with the US, even though the rest of the PRC doesn't.  He would have been better off going to Beijing.

He seems to think that Hong Kong is actually independent of the rest of China.


He could have files in the cloud for safe keeping.
 
2013-06-10 09:58:58 AM
Nothing Ed, you know it.

Spying on Americans before 9/11: NSA Built Back Door In All Windows Software by 1999

A careless mistake by Microsoft programmers has revealed that special access codes prepared by the US National Security Agency have been secretly built into Windows. The NSA access system is built into every version of the Windows operating system now in use, except early releases of Windows 95 (and its predecessors). The discovery comes close on the heels of the revelations earlier this year that another US software giant, Lotus, had built an NSA "help information"
 
2013-06-10 09:59:41 AM
So, his response is that it's legal. Er.. we knew that.

Also interesting is that he does not say how long the data is kept. Hey, you want to get a dump of data during a current investigation, go for it if you've got the warrant. But if they're storing historical data, fark that.
 
2013-06-10 10:01:12 AM
"I'm a Verizon customer. I could care less if they're looking at my phone records. ... If you're not getting a call from a terrorist organization, you got nothing to worry about," said Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C.

He just admitted he doesn't take calls from his teabagger constituency!

I keed! I keed!
 
2013-06-10 10:04:13 AM

neversubmit: Nothing Ed, you know it.

Spying on Americans before 9/11: NSA Built Back Door In All Windows Software by 1999

A careless mistake by Microsoft programmers has revealed that special access codes prepared by the US National Security Agency have been secretly built into Windows. The NSA access system is built into every version of the Windows operating system now in use, except early releases of Windows 95 (and its predecessors). The discovery comes close on the heels of the revelations earlier this year that another US software giant, Lotus, had built an NSA "help information"


Wait, so terrorist will only use Windows 95?  I saw some bearded guys using Win 3.11 and Win 95, I better drop the time on them in case they turn out to be rag heads.
 
2013-06-10 10:04:38 AM
But what happens if I do get a call from a terrorist organization? It's not like wrong numbers are rare events. Some dude fat fingers a digit and now some schmuck is under investigation for the rest of his life?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-06-10 10:04:50 AM

neversubmit: Nothing Ed, you know it.

Spying on Americans before 9/11: NSA Built Back Door In All Windows Software by 1999


Is this that old _NSAKEY conspiracy theory?
 
2013-06-10 10:05:10 AM
Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, in an unusual late-night statement Thursday, denounced the leaks of highly classified documents that revealed the programs and warned that America's security will suffer.

Yeah.  Snowden could have released a LOT more.   It showed incredible maturity and restraint on his part (and the Guardian's) that they chose the documents they did to specifically not hurt people in particular but the program and culture of secrecy/invasion of privacy/elimination of the 4th Amendment in general.

tl;dr, that's a load of crap, Clapper.  Any terrorist worth his weight in explosives is not going to rely on electronic communication in the slightest.

Snowden is still perhaps a touch naive, but not as much as those who would like to write off what he did claim.  And we're having the national dialogue that the Senators who knew about the program and were against it couldn't legally begin, which was the entire damn point of choosing to disclose.
 
2013-06-10 10:07:45 AM

WhackingDay: But what happens if I do get a call from a terrorist organization? It's not like wrong numbers are rare events. Some dude fat fingers a digit and now some schmuck is under investigation for the rest of his life?


No, not even close. One "wrong number" to a "terrorist" will not get you investigated for life. That's absurd.
 
2013-06-10 10:08:14 AM

FullMetalPanda: neversubmit: Nothing Ed, you know it.

Spying on Americans before 9/11: NSA Built Back Door In All Windows Software by 1999

A careless mistake by Microsoft programmers has revealed that special access codes prepared by the US National Security Agency have been secretly built into Windows. The NSA access system is built into every version of the Windows operating system now in use, except early releases of Windows 95 (and its predecessors). The discovery comes close on the heels of the revelations earlier this year that another US software giant, Lotus, had built an NSA "help information"

Wait, so terrorist will only use Windows 95?  I saw some bearded guys using Win 3.11 and Win 95, I better drop the time on them in case they turn out to be rag heads.


The time? I thought it was "drop a dime" maybe I'm out of date.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-06-10 10:09:04 AM

WhackingDay: But what happens if I do get a call from a terrorist organization? It's not like wrong numbers are rare events. Some dude fat fingers a digit and now some schmuck is under investigation for the rest of his life?


If some investigator thought that was something worth investigating and the FISA court agreed.  But why would they be interested in a wrong number?
 
2013-06-10 10:10:01 AM

vpb: neversubmit: Nothing Ed, you know it.

Spying on Americans before 9/11: NSA Built Back Door In All Windows Software by 1999

Is this that old _NSAKEY conspiracy theory?


That plus two other keys.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-06-10 10:14:21 AM
StreetlightInTheGhetto:

tl;dr, that's a load of crap, Clapper.  Any terrorist worth his weight in explosives is not going to rely on electronic communication in the slightest.

We already know that they do.  Tsarnaev did.
 
2013-06-10 10:14:36 AM

basemetal: Sucks when you get caught in a lie told to congress.


You mean this? Clapper told Congress NSA Isn't Spying on Americans
 
2013-06-10 10:14:52 AM
i3.ytimg.com
 
2013-06-10 10:19:14 AM
Wait a minute, didn't the government and Patriot Act authors warn us that after the First WTC bombing that all the terrorists immediately stopped using their cell phones because the mean ol' defense lawyers made them disclose evidence because of "due process"?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-06-10 10:22:01 AM

neversubmit: vpb: neversubmit: Nothing Ed, you know it.

Spying on Americans before 9/11: NSA Built Back Door In All Windows Software by 1999

Is this that old _NSAKEY conspiracy theory?

That plus two other keys.


You know, they can read your brain waves, that's why they don't bother with newer versions of Windows.

But it doesn't work through metal, so you can wrap your head in aluminum foil to be safe.
 
2013-06-10 10:22:45 AM
What is on paper sounds very neutral and reassuring, but who farking cares what is on paper?

The program is obviously open to abuse, and it's not like we would ever know if someone got busted abusing it.
 
2013-06-10 10:23:04 AM

OtherLittleGuy: I'm starting to wonder if I'm the Scottie Pippen of TFark,



Why the long face?
 
2013-06-10 10:23:26 AM

Headso: "I'm a Verizon customer. I could care less if they're looking at my phone records. ... If you're not getting a call from a terrorist organization, you got nothing to worry about," said Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C.

He just admitted he doesn't take calls from his teabagger constituency!

I keed! I keed!


Although you do have to wonder about Congress. They're acting all high and mighty, but this also means that some analyst in Hawaii has access to their phone records like the mistresses and escort services they call. But you know, Graham has nothing to hide.

The drama queen in me wishes this guy got some specific examples from Congress to prove his point. This isn't just about terrorists. Think about who you call and text each day or what you buy with your credit card and whether you want some government employee with a password to have all that information. This guy proved that anyone can get to it.
 
2013-06-10 10:23:35 AM
+1 Subby
 
2013-06-10 10:24:08 AM

HotWingConspiracy: What is on paper sounds very neutral and reassuring, but who farking cares what is on paper?

The program is obviously open to abuse, and it's not like we would ever know if someone got busted abusing it.


To be fair, that's just paranoid speculation, and we have no evidence to support that over their explanation.
 
2013-06-10 10:24:56 AM

vpb: neversubmit: vpb: neversubmit: Nothing Ed, you know it.

Spying on Americans before 9/11: NSA Built Back Door In All Windows Software by 1999

Is this that old _NSAKEY conspiracy theory?

That plus two other keys.

You know, they can read your brain waves, that's why they don't bother with newer versions of Windows.

But it doesn't work through metal, so you can wrap your head in aluminum foil to be safe.


Is the NSA responsible for Windows 8 Metro UI?  Those bastards!

Although, the XBone always-on Kinect camera and mic does seem like something the NSA would push Microsoft to do...
 
2013-06-10 10:25:01 AM
What a patriot.

There were cell phones seized in OBL's home when we killed him. Gosh, I wonder what global wireless carrier those phones were hooked into. Could it be Verizon? Could be.

Now the internet thingy...I don't know what kind of damage this idiot could have done since AQ has an online magazine that provided bomb making directions to the Boston Marathon bombers. But still, when you tell your nation's enemies how they are being found out and followed, you might as well provide aid and comfort in other ways.

And if that guy doesn't want to live in a world where governments spy on him and his, how does he feel about living in a world where you can be standing in a crowd watching a race, have your legs blown off or be killed and then be accused by thousands of internet experts like this guy of being one of the bombers since you were wearing a black hat or just looked suspicious in grainy digital pics.


enfordummies.com

That guy in the pic is the reason why we hire professionals to work under court supervision to find threats. I don't know if he lived through the explosion but I hope he gives Snowden a call. BTW, Snowden worked 3 months for his employer, which is owned by the Carlyle Group, a private investment fund famous for its returns. I wonder if, after taking his employer over in 2008, Carlyle decided to cut costs in employee screening, training and ongoing review. Nah. They wouldn't do that just to maximize their profits. Never.

The first guy that will be screaming about "where was the government" when the retaliatory attack for killing OBL hits this country will be this Snowden idiot. What a hero. What a patriot.
 
2013-06-10 10:26:03 AM
good one, subs
 
2013-06-10 10:27:18 AM

LasersHurt: HotWingConspiracy: What is on paper sounds very neutral and reassuring, but who farking cares what is on paper?

The program is obviously open to abuse, and it's not like we would ever know if someone got busted abusing it.

To be fair, that's just paranoid speculation, and we have no evidence to support that over their explanation.


And by design, we never will. Not exactly reassuring.
 
2013-06-10 10:28:05 AM
 
2013-06-10 10:28:52 AM

skullkrusher: good one, subs


pseudoscience: +1 Subby


thank you. Now if only either of you could actually vote
 
2013-06-10 10:29:40 AM

vpb: neversubmit: vpb: neversubmit: Nothing Ed, you know it.

Spying on Americans before 9/11: NSA Built Back Door In All Windows Software by 1999

Is this that old _NSAKEY conspiracy theory?

That plus two other keys.

You know, they can read your brain waves, that's why they don't bother with newer versions of Windows.

But it doesn't work through metal, so you can wrap your head in aluminum foil to be safe.


Not yet but they are working on it. But don't worry your pretty little head about you'll still have junk food and junk entertainment to keep you busy.
 
2013-06-10 10:30:24 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: What a patriot.

There were cell phones seized in OBL's home when we killed him. Gosh, I wonder what global wireless carrier those phones were hooked into. Could it be Verizon? Could be.

Now the internet thingy...I don't know what kind of damage this idiot could have done since AQ has an online magazine that provided bomb making directions to the Boston Marathon bombers. But still, when you tell your nation's enemies how they are being found out and followed, you might as well provide aid and comfort in other ways.

And if that guy doesn't want to live in a world where governments spy on him and his, how does he feel about living in a world where you can be standing in a crowd watching a race, have your legs blown off or be killed and then be accused by thousands of internet experts like this guy of being one of the bombers since you were wearing a black hat or just looked suspicious in grainy digital pics.


[enfordummies.com image 403x375]

That guy in the pic is the reason why we hire professionals to work under court supervision to find threats. I don't know if he lived through the explosion but I hope he gives Snowden a call. BTW, Snowden worked 3 months for his employer, which is owned by the Carlyle Group, a private investment fund famous for its returns. I wonder if, after taking his employer over in 2008, Carlyle decided to cut costs in employee screening, training and ongoing review. Nah. They wouldn't do that just to maximize their profits. Never.

The first guy that will be screaming about "where was the government" when the retaliatory attack for killing OBL hits this country will be this Snowden idiot. What a hero. What a patriot.


So, anything in the name of security then, Herr SS Oberkommandant?
 
2013-06-10 10:31:36 AM
Honestly, is anyone even surprised?  I thought it was already known that the feds were already doing all of this.  Not sure on what the big "OMG" is about.

Note:  Not defending the programs, just surprised that anyone would be surprised about any of this.
 
2013-06-10 10:32:57 AM
From a high school dropout rent-a-cop, to NSA insider, to exposing the biggest spying operation in history, in just a few months.

Even a SyFy original production wouldn't be that full of crap, and they made "Sharktopus vs. Dinoshark."
 
2013-06-10 10:32:58 AM
"I'm a Verizon customer. I could care less if they're looking at my phone records. ... If you're not getting a call from a terrorist organization, you got nothing to worry about," said Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C.

Thank you for your consent Senator, but you still don't have mine.
 
2013-06-10 10:33:03 AM

Satanic_Hamster: Not sure on what the big "OMG" is about.


confirmation that we really do live in a 1984 type thing and no one in government cares to do a damn thing about it
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-06-10 10:33:38 AM

Dr. Whoof: Is the NSA responsible for Windows 8 Metro UI?  Those bastards!

Although, the XBone always-on Kinect camera and mic does seem like something the NSA would push Microsoft to do...


They're watching you.  "They're" outside the government, beyond the police.  And probably they have teh ghey.
 
2013-06-10 10:34:02 AM
It turns out Weapons-Grade Uranium" was not a good name for a band.

Calls of inquiry and all.
 
2013-06-10 10:34:09 AM

somedude210: Satanic_Hamster: Not sure on what the big "OMG" is about.

confirmation that we really do live in a 1984 type thing and no one in government cares to do a damn thing about it


WTH are you talking about, they are working damn hard to make it happen.
 
2013-06-10 10:34:27 AM

HotWingConspiracy: LasersHurt: HotWingConspiracy: What is on paper sounds very neutral and reassuring, but who farking cares what is on paper?

The program is obviously open to abuse, and it's not like we would ever know if someone got busted abusing it.

To be fair, that's just paranoid speculation, and we have no evidence to support that over their explanation.

And by design, we never will. Not exactly reassuring.


So why get so bent out of shape over it? This has been going on since the Patriot Act was passed and is perfectly legal. It's naive to assume that your communications over third-party resources are private. Either find alternative means of communication that can't be monitored or live with the fact that, if they want to, the government can get a court order to access your information.
 
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