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(WFTV Orlando)   What does it say about comparative intelligence when white supremacist asshats can legally enjoy their free speech rights and Greenpeace can't do it without breaking laws?   (wftv.com) divider line 246
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2004-01-05 07:27:43 PM
To summarize:
1) Racist asshats decide to exercise their freedom of speech. Liberals decry this as racist (which it is), and want to censor their message.
2) Greenpeace asshats decide to exercise their freedom of speech, but billboard company chooses not to participate. Liberals decry this as freedom of speech (which it isn't), and want to force the billboard company to do business with Greenpeace.
Am I missing anything?
 
2004-01-05 07:33:23 PM
Is it ironic that the "inubian" (1994) filter 'bug' was discovered during a discussion about white supremacists? Shows just how far the pendulum has shifted when *most* people go to extreme lengths not to offend others (which I find patently offensive).
 
2004-01-05 07:33:26 PM

pics?

/hell

 
2004-01-05 07:33:54 PM
he said, adding "I don't believe in Nazis, but no, it don't bother me none. There's no law against it."

I know Im kidding myself here, but Does anyone think he might have been possibly misquoted, or perhaps he meant "Facism" instead of Nazis? Sheesh. You people act like he's totally clueless, when in fact he probably had something happen to him that is all too common in the media today.

Of course, this is fark. let the italics and stupid accusations begin!
 
2004-01-05 07:38:37 PM
The difference is Neo-Nazis don't hide their desire to kill and destroy or claim non-profit status. Greenpeace on the other hand pretends their leaders didn't admit their desire to kill those who don't believe in their cause, and have non-profit status. One is an outward and truthful evil organization. The other is deceitful and far more evil. I'll take an honest hate monger over a dishonest one any day.

wow. that's my favorite incredibly dumb post ever. props.
 
2004-01-05 07:41:48 PM
DasNibblet: Greenpeace enjoys fairly active advertisement opportunities, especially online and abroad. Their actions, however, in boarding a ship at sea against the captain's will are illegal. Those bastards are lucky they didn't walk the proverbial plank. They can buy their own ship and post banners all over it, if they desire. Hell, call it "Mother Earth" for all I care. I'm sure if these Nazis hadn't spent all their money on a pointless billboard featuring a grandiloquent yet provocative and incorrectly spelled (let alone punctuated) message, but instead on their own ships, they could be out there fighting for what they believe in or something.

MrPerspicacious provided me with the impetus for that paragraph. Great nick, BTW. :)
 
2004-01-05 07:53:07 PM
ABDUL, you are correct and it just occured to me that If
I saw a billboard that said "I want to tell you about the
real AmeriKa" I would, under the current political climate
have assumed it was a far left group.
 
2004-01-05 07:53:40 PM
Green peace?

How bout when peta was handing out flyers saying your mummy is a killer, thats free speach! I want to know what would happen if these asshat's handed out flyers saying your mummy's a nig***.

free speach huh that was soo 20 years ago.

p.s : I love my cocco skinned brotha's
 
2004-01-05 07:57:06 PM
DasNibblet
3) in 1-9-9-4 = inubian
 
2004-01-05 07:57:09 PM
Republican. White supremacist. What's the difference?
 
2004-01-05 07:57:10 PM
FYI, to anyone who is keeping score.

More acts of terrorism in America, involving detonating pipebombs, have been conducted by animal-rights activists than Neo-Nazis.


...yes and even more than the anti-abortion activists, too.
 
2004-01-05 07:57:32 PM
I_rish
Is there anything illegal about handing out the "your mummy's a ***" flyers? Yeah the person handing them out might get ganked, but what does that have to do with the 1st amendment?
 
2004-01-05 07:58:56 PM
Nice spin, DasNibblet

I've read the entire post and haven't didn't see a single person make that statement, but you've managed to take parts of various people's quotes and come up with a composote liberal that you can use to represent everyone and label a whole group as hypocrites.

I don't think any posters said the government should force one billboard owner to take down the racists' billboard or force the other to post Greenpeace's. What I did see was a lot of people bashing Greenpeace.

And why won't this comments thingee allow me to bold a word in the middle of a paragraph?
 
2004-01-05 07:59:58 PM
DAS

I was refering to what the puplic views on free speach reflect about society.

sorry I should have been more.............uh.
 
2004-01-05 08:07:32 PM
The fact that anyone here can honestly say that they are more disturbed or annoyed by Greenpeace than by white supremacists is seriously disturbing.
 
2004-01-05 08:08:58 PM
No paranoidandroid

See I'd make up a disease like ADD, and have some scientist types say 'yes this drug is good for you'.

Or have subliminal messages imbeded everywhere like EAT, REPRODUCE, CONSUME, and PLAY NICE WITH ONE ANOTHER LEST YE BE LOBODIMIZED/RE-EDUMACATED.

Also everyone would have to wear tutlenecks, cause turtlenecks are cool.

Id also have legions of stormtroopers with really cool futuristic uniforms.

I was just maintaining the standard farker attack and rebuttle. Point out the evilness of someone then be hypocritical.

Hating people is bad. Violence is bad. There are no races anyway just cultures and sub-cultures.

/re-engages lurker mode
 
G2V
2004-01-05 08:15:53 PM
It's one of life's little obvious items that the only people who believe whites already have anything other than supremacy are exactly the uneducated hicks you'd expect to find in a group like this.
 
2004-01-05 08:18:40 PM
What does it say about comparative intelligence when white supremacist asshats can legally enjoy their free speech rights and Greenpeace can't do it without breaking laws?

Since the headline references Greenpeace acting illegally this clearly has nothing to do with them renting billboards and everything to do with them acting in a criminal manner, probably by boarding a ship to display their message and then crying about being held accountable for it.
 
2004-01-05 08:28:51 PM
In other news, a disturbing number of Farkers don't quite get the point of civil disobedience.

/not surprised.

I am, however, surprised that this completely farking idiotic headline got approved.
 
2004-01-05 08:29:34 PM
DasNibblet: My guess is, if you survived handing out those flyers, you'd probably become some kind of freaky pop icon or something.

However, since we're actually debating something else on this forum, I'll just assume you were temporarily insane or something during that lapse.

See, once upon a time we were talking about the fact that Greenpeace doesn't easily acquire advertising rights here in the States, because guess what? We can't stand them! That's offset by the fact that now a neo-fascist group (sorry about the inappropriate term Nazi earlier) is able to advertise almost more easily than they are.

The fact remains, the racists aren't breaking any laws with a billboard or a website. Greenpeace did, but they do not actually HAVE to break laws to obtain advertising, if they would just pull the sticks out of their asses.

I think that pretty much should settle it right up. I'm not trying to say I agree with the racists, or with Greenpeace, nor am I debating what they may or may not stand for. That's totally irrelevant here.
 
2004-01-05 08:35:34 PM
This is a real coin toss.

Greenpeace is an annoying neopolitical group run by middle-class whites

The kkk is an annoying neopolitical group run by lower-class whites
 
2004-01-05 08:36:04 PM
2004-01-05 08:28:51 PM SpaceCoyote

In other news, a disturbing number of Farkers don't quite get the point of civil disobedience.

/not surprised.

I am, however, surprised that this completely farking idiotic headline got approved.


Eco-asshats think they are above the law because their message is so farking important. Well it isn't and there are consequences to actions. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Find a non-criminal way to express yourelf and the government can't say shiat. Even the dumbass rednecks in the KKK have been able to figure that out, why can't the greenies?
 
2004-01-05 08:37:27 PM
N-1-6-6-4

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1
6
6
4

So why filter 994? It seems like 664 would make more sense in 'leet' speak.
 
2004-01-05 08:39:16 PM
As in 6 = G I mean. Not as in 9 = g.
 
2004-01-05 08:39:46 PM
And good call, JQPublic.. At least so far as I know, the internal racism issue has toned down a lot here in America. Maybe it's because we're all too focused on the Arabs to worry about the other ethnicities. Or maybe it's just because I'm in the Pacific NW, where most people aren't bursting at the seams with hatred for their fellow humans.
 
2004-01-05 08:42:03 PM
(Except Republicans)
 
2004-01-05 08:45:41 PM
I think il_serpente nailed it in his Boobies. Thank you.
 
2004-01-05 08:46:30 PM
Nelson says: Haa-HA!
 
2004-01-05 08:48:15 PM
abdul
Please point out my lapse in topicality. Thanks.
 
2004-01-05 08:51:32 PM
DasNibblet: The whole "handing out flyers saying your mom's a **** etc" thing. Simply haranguing you into getting back to what we're actually talking about here. Handing out flyers does not require the contractual consent of an advertising agency or government office, unlike posting gigantic billboards.
 
2004-01-05 08:54:18 PM
Wow. I didn't know the arian nation was into buying billboards... whos next, those farking mormons?

Oh and I like greenpeace, thanks to them, they consume less resources than others ( ie gas, cows, pretty women, barbers, soap, deodorant, and of course housing ) leaving the more to us capitalistic pigs ;) thanks guys!

Oh, just stop smoking all the weed!!
 
2004-01-05 08:55:05 PM
I would bet that post was in reply to a previous post.
 
2004-01-05 09:08:32 PM
DasNibblet: Yeah, this thread hasn't been too straightforward. Sorry about that. :)
 
2004-01-05 09:12:43 PM
"No one understands the irony of pure hatred" - Bill Hicks
 
2004-01-05 09:13:08 PM
Question: Is a white person who commits hate crimes against white people racist?
 
2004-01-05 09:15:56 PM
Ok, this is getting silly. Did it just filter my "Boobies" into "boobies"?

Testing: "got it right in his Boobies" = "got it right in his f--i--r--s--t p--o--s--t"
 
2004-01-05 09:18:10 PM
PopeUrban: Yeah, but not so likely to get the hate-crime stigma tacked on. If you were screaming something like "you cracka ass cracka honky whitebread mahfah!" while bludgeoning them, then maybe. Just like a Catholic who commits horrible sins specifically against other Catholics still gets damned to hell, if that's more up your alley. :)
 
2004-01-05 09:19:02 PM
RickTheVote: Yes, it did. Try l-a-s-t post, too. You, ironically, actually HAD the "Boobies" in this thread.
 
2004-01-05 09:21:53 PM
bonoriffic
The difference is Neo-Nazis don't hide their desire to kill and destroy or claim non-profit status. Greenpeace on the other hand pretends their leaders didn't admit their desire to kill those who don't believe in their cause, and have non-profit status. One is an outward and truthful evil organization. The other is deceitful and far more evil. I'll take an honest hate monger over a dishonest one any day.

I'd like to second mutilato on voting that "favorite incredibly dumb post ever".

I made my Boobies inubian.
 
2004-01-05 09:22:41 PM
Greenpeace is indeed annoying. But if they were in power I'd be able to vote.

/little perspective
 
2004-01-05 09:25:04 PM
Dammit, I was gonna say that!! An explanation of the Weeners thing:

That little debacle, I believe, came from the short-lived fad of people posting the first entry with the aforementioned phrase, simply so they could bask in the joy of having done so unfiltered. I again solicit a list from Drew of the filters, just for my curiosity's sake. Please? Or if not, at least paragraph indentations? Pleeaaaase?

These filters fark up everything... Please don't ban me, I'm not just the Inubian Boobies, I'm also a client... :)
 
2004-01-05 09:26:59 PM
Oohhh I mean first entry, not last. Dunno how that happened. The least you guys could do is let the filters show up in the preview window so we can realize our mistakes... that's the whole idea behind the thing, right? Damn this beer is tasty.
 
2004-01-05 09:34:18 PM
fark green peace.
Just to piss them off I club baby seals.
 
2004-01-05 09:37:54 PM
kruuth- what the hell does "neopolitical" mean?
 
2004-01-05 09:47:09 PM
Nvidiot

By the dictionary, "neo" means "new". The term "Neo-Republican" has been a bit overused as of late, and seems to have come to mean "fanatical" or "just plain crazy". I don't think that it was meant in any demeaning way when first used.

abdul

I agree. If the preview would let me see my posts through the filter's eyes, I'd be fine.
 
2004-01-05 09:47:56 PM
Alright kruuth, if the prefix "neo" means new then they are new political organizations? The KKK has been around since the civil war. Neither it nor the racism it promotes are new.
 
2004-01-05 09:52:14 PM
Nvidiot: Oy. "Neo-" is now commonly accepted as a prefix describing a newer, alternate or "evolved" form of whatever it's used in conjunction with.

"Neo-conservativism" is an example.

Technically speaking, "neo-" is not a proper prefix, but who cares? In an age where "bling bling" has entered the Oxford E., this language is neither art nor science any longer. It's a colloquial phenomenon that bends to the will of pedantic bastards like myself, occasionally, and generally discomfits everyone else.

/Not Arrogant or Haughty, only possessive of a broadband connection and m-w.com

RTV: Yeah, I fired off an email to Drew in response to another one about the paragraph indentations. Hopefully our wishes will be granted. You pay for the service, at least he could enable it for you guys as an option. :)
 
2004-01-05 09:57:53 PM
Well, I have personally known dedicated environmentalists who have left Greenpeace shaking their heads.

In my opinion non-violent civil disobedience is harmless to everyone but heathly for our society. I'm not convinced that a lot of what is called direct action achieves it goals, if that goal is winning the hearts and minds of the majority.

I also agree the KKK has better PR skills than Greenpeace, but they've been around a helluva lot longer too. And have good reason to keep their ideals to a select (and established) audience.

So, we all agree then. Nazis have better PR skills than Greenpeacers?

The real issue is who the fark likes to read nasty-ass billboards anyway. Most despicable form of advertising ever.
 
2004-01-05 09:59:59 PM
Just so everyone is clear: comercial speech is not the same as "regular" speech in terms of the first amendment. If there is a law against handing out fliers for your business, and you put some rant on one side and your business address on the other, you still get a ticket.
 
2004-01-05 10:01:21 PM
Nvidiot: Fascism is older than the modernized versions we see today. I guess if you want to put it in a more ghetto fashion, you could just say it sounds cool to slap "neo" in front of things to not only make words longer, but also so you can be forever tied in with the Matrix and its main character. w00t!

Saying "Neo-Nazis" instead of Nazis is indicative of the fact that there are no Nazis today, because they simply can't exist, given that they require a body politic over which to rule as a governmental faction. Real Nazis (national socialists, specifically German: Nationalsozialist) are actually a form *OF* fascism, if you want to get dictionary-style technical about it. :)

Fascism itself, however, can be considered an individual philosophy as well as a governmental regime.

Stupid nazi fascist pinko commie bastard Inubians.
 
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