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(WFTV Orlando)   What does it say about comparative intelligence when white supremacist asshats can legally enjoy their free speech rights and Greenpeace can't do it without breaking laws?   (wftv.com) divider line 246
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2004-01-05 05:49:08 PM  
If Greenpeace really gets more shizzy for its displays of speech than the KKK or neo-Nazis, it's because Greenpeace's protests usually criticize big business or government. But when you just criticize minorities, that is okay.
The message from government is: "It's more important to protect our money than our people."
 
2004-01-05 05:49:09 PM  
What bonoriffic said.
 
2004-01-05 05:49:39 PM  
One might note that the Klan and friends mostly learned that lesson the hard way.
 
2004-01-05 05:50:27 PM  
ooo ooo, I'm more annoyed at GP activists than white supremisists. For one, GP is considered a legitimate group, and they have the ear of many politicians (california anyone?). White supremisists must be the most alienated and politically toxic group in America.

Indeed, it's fine to have been a Mexican supremisist (Cruz Bustamante) or a black supremicist (many black "leaders"), but to be proud you're white? NO WAY!

It's as if someone in your country is trying to tell you white folks something :\

/olive girl
 
2004-01-05 05:50:38 PM  
Unscientific Study:

Yahoo search results:

Greenpeace "attacked police" 15 Results
"White supremacists" "attacked police" 7 Results
"Rednecks" "attacked police" 3 Results
"Dirty Hippies" "attacked police" 1 Result
"Easter Bunny" "attacked police" 1 Result
"Jesus Christ our lord and savior" "attacked police" 0 results
 
2004-01-05 05:50:45 PM  
Any group (short of porn and violence) may rent a sign and put up what they like.

Greenpeace attempts to pirate ships that they don't agree with.
 
2004-01-05 05:53:37 PM  
Little Camel,

It's obviously because white people have no basis for any sort of racial pride and even the groups very right to freely assemble cannot be free from some type of negative societal stigma. In fact, a white person without some type of sought-after, token minority friendship is of little or no value.

Actually, I am going to start a group called "white dudes" because it doesn't sound very threatening at all.

Sorry, no split-tails....we're a sexist group.
 
2004-01-05 05:53:48 PM  
How is the group "National Alliance" any different than the new "Black Panthers", no one ever brings that up. They are both racist organizations out to make one group better than the other.
 
2004-01-05 05:55:38 PM  
Oh my god!!! The Dems want to sensor FREE SPEECH by getting rid of the billboard. You know who didn't have free speech...Nazi Germany

/see how stupid the Nazi reference is...now stop using it in reference to Bush.
 
2004-01-05 05:56:04 PM  
It says that we're scared of the truth. But we all knew that already.
 
2004-01-05 05:56:35 PM  
Greenpeace = communist terrorists who hate america and smoke too much funny stuff.

nazis = young republicans with really short hair.


GOD BLESS USA

VOTE REPUBLICAN

KILL HIPPIES
 
2004-01-05 05:56:50 PM  
The "Word Twisters" are out in full force today. You're all idiots; how's that for Free Speech?

A very leftist way of debating. When you are called out for being wrong, just call names. Like when gorillas fling feces at each other.

Sigh

"It's free speech. Do you know what free speech is?" he said, adding "I don't believe in Nazis, but no, it don't bother me none. There's no law against it."

Me thinks he's a "good ol' boy" himself. Friggin' hick.
 
2004-01-05 05:56:53 PM  
Excellent headline's make white people cry.

/republic .. er racist white people that is.
 
2004-01-05 05:57:02 PM  
Well, since white supremacist asshats currently run our country, anyone who disagrees with them is a terrrist, and therefore has no rights.

Intelligence doesn't enter into the equation.
 
2004-01-05 05:57:26 PM  
Greenpeace doesn't have free speech issues. Greenpeace actively practices civil disobedience, which means they go to jail. They are trying to go to jail; they think it helps them make their point.

Whereas white supremacists are all about free speech. They only cross the line when they directly advocate killing people or overthrowing the government, so they're (usually) careful not to do that.
 
2004-01-05 05:58:21 PM  
Greenspan can't get billboard space? How odd.
 
2004-01-05 05:58:56 PM  
Why dont we just settle the fark down. We're all humans damnit. You just watch...in the future the Covenant are going to invade...then you'll see...oh you ppl will see!!!
 
2004-01-05 06:00:33 PM  
joebahoe

If Greenpeace really gets more shizzy for its displays of speech than the KKK or neo-Nazis, it's because Greenpeace's protests usually criticize big business or government. But when you just criticize minorities, that is okay.
The message from government is: "It's more important to protect our money than our people."


Ummm, or maybe cuz Greenpeace's protests involve breaking other laws??

This isn't the government, both billboard issues so far have involved PRIVATE COMPANIES!!!!

PRIVATE!!! not the government... not bush, not cheney, not ashcroft... private companies acting in what they feel are their best interests....
 
2004-01-05 06:01:28 PM  
Greenpeace doesn't have free speech issues. Greenpeace actively practices civil disobedience, which means they go to jail. They are trying to go to jail; they think it helps them make their point.

Whereas white supremacists are all about free speech. They only cross the line when they directly advocate killing people or overthrowing the government, so they're (usually) careful not to do that.


LOL... that's some funny shiat right there. You really have no clue about Greenpeace, and every white supremecist I interviewed for an article I wrote a few years back heartily advocated a dramatic, often violent, change in the government.
 
2004-01-05 06:01:56 PM  
Ummmmm....

A. Article doesn't mention GreenPeace.

B. GreenPeace can buy all the billboard space they want.

C. GreenPeace often breaks laws. Then get thrown in jail. So do White Supremecists. They get thrown in jail too.
 
2004-01-05 06:01:58 PM  
"I'm a white American and we'd like to return the reins of control to white people," he said.

Good luck. I don't know what the facts are off the top of my head and don't feel like looking so I will just pull some out of my ass. I am betting that whitey will be the minority soon if not already. I personally love the bronzed melting pot look. It just looks healthier and sexier. These people are just going to get crankier and crazier as time goes by. Move to Norway if you don't like it.
 
2004-01-05 06:05:16 PM  
KyngNothing brings up a good point, and my biggest pet peeve....

If a private individual or company stops you from saying something on their property, or denies you access to their property (i.e. billboards)... this is NOT (repeat, NOT) an assult on your right to free speech.

This goes for a whole range of BS like protests against Clear Channel, complaints from workers of corporations.

Your only right as a citizen is to not have the GOVERNMENT do anything to squash your free speech.

If someone buys up all the billboards on an interstate and only lets certain orginizations advertise... that is THEIR right...
 
2004-01-05 06:07:51 PM  
I did the search for "Prairie Island" and Greenpeace and couldn't find any instance of them being denied the right to buy billboard space. Even so, just because they want to buy billboard space doesn't mean a company has to sell it to them in the name of "free speech." Here's what I did find in a search for "Greenpeace" "Free speech" and "signs."

Scott Anderson, 28, and Hillary Hosta, 29, expert "climbers" hired by the environmental group Greenpeace, leaped from a pair of Zodiac inflatable boats and clambered up the ladder, toting a banner with the message: "President Bush, Stop Illegal Logging." So began a routine protest resulting in a prosecution that, legal experts say, threatens to chill free speech and profoundly change the rules of peaceful protest....."

That's Greenpeaces' idea of free speech. Trespassing and vandalism. (A popular "activist" theme today on Fark!) Perhaps Greenpeace should try BUYING a sign. Even the brain trusts in the Klan are smart enough to figure out that free speech isn't free.

But "Greenpeace" is a straw-man in this whole arguement. It made for a catchy headline, but that's about all.
 
2004-01-05 06:09:00 PM  
Oh stow it people. By concentrating on Greenpeace (fark 'em), you are ignoring the biggest issue, that is white supremacists. Anyone who even lets white supremacy pass by without flagging it should be shot like a raging pit-bull.

All white supremacists should be burned to the stake.

As for Greenpeace, I don't really care. Their quibbles are insignificant compared to the horror that is racism.
 
2004-01-05 06:10:33 PM  
Dozhdbog:

Are you saying that Greenpeace members don't think they're going to jail for boarding ships? Even though every time they do so, they go to jail? That seems unlikely.

As for white supremacists wanting a "dramatic, often violent, change in the government," my point was there's a free speech line that these folks try not to cross because otherwise they'd get shut down. Whatever they said to you is therefore likely to be protected speech.
 
2004-01-05 06:12:00 PM  
killroy69: "All white supremacists should be burned to the stake."

Racism is lame, but so is the cycle of violence ;).
 
2004-01-05 06:12:41 PM  
Greenpeace = Juvenile
White Supremacists = The Antichrist

Seriously, if you think there's some kind of relativity between the two groups, get your head checked.
 
2004-01-05 06:13:18 PM  
I'm not a fan of greenpeace or the nazi party but in all fairness the white supremacists do go about getting permits and take the time to following the rules. If green peace is to ever be taken seriously they need to stop being "martyrs" and grow up.
 
2004-01-05 06:13:48 PM  
eat meat!

kill hippies!
(and jews - same thing really)

vote republican!
 
2004-01-05 06:14:28 PM  
BEEE240: "A very leftist way of debating. When you are called out for being wrong, just call names. Like when gorillas fling feces at each other."

Wow, look boys and girls, we have another partisan dolt. People on all sides of the political fence do that. Look at how Ann Coulter, Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity react when someone points out that they are wrong - the insults fly.
 
2004-01-05 06:14:57 PM  
Fark: The only place where people can come together in their hatred for Greenpeace, while disregarding white-supremacist hate-groups as "not quite as bad".

I submit again, the Bush Administration will never leverage their business connections to oust any redneck group; they know where the votes are coming from. If we had a true "War on Terror", groups like the KKK would be first on the list.

inubian = in nineteen hundred ninety four
 
2004-01-05 06:15:05 PM  
I find Greenpeace a lot more annoying than White Supremicists. At least no one pays attention to the NaziTards.
 
2004-01-05 06:15:45 PM  
I, inubian, ate the Boobies.

heh
 
2004-01-05 06:16:01 PM  
"I'm a white American and we'd like to return the reins of control to white people," he said.

-from the article. I'd say that's an adovcation of a change in our government.
 
2004-01-05 06:16:10 PM  
I visited the stormfront forum and was shocked to see some guy from a nearby town posting how he wishes all the Jews were dead. Farking scary - I didn't realize some of these kooks were that near.
 
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2004-01-05 06:17:22 PM  
Lebowsky:

"But a commercial ship is clearly a long ways from being public. The US attorney goofed up by charging them under an obscure statute rather than simple trespassing, but that doesn't change the fact that they are criminals."

Yes, all people engaging in civil disobedience are, by definition, criminals.

As was Ghandi and Martin Luther King. Just because something is criminal doesn't make it wrong or immoral... (just as sometimes laws enforce immoral ideas) that's sort of the point...
 
2004-01-05 06:17:32 PM  
One of the nice things about the Bill of Rights, is that it pretty much guarantees your right to make as big of an ass of yourself as you want to. You can say what you want, and not be censored by the gub'ment--at least in theory--and that can be anything from calling Hillery and Bill murderers, to holding a National Socialist tea party in your living room, and putting up a billboard for advertising it.

Now then, you don't like--take it up with the folks who rented the space to them--the gub'ment can't really step in until there's something hinkey--say underage girls to service our skinhead boys swilling beers and amphetimines while they get ready to peel the toenails a mudblood, then you've got a good reason to roll in like a big wheel, but to simply call for an end to their hate filled speech? Not so much. Because while you can investigate for criminal allegations, you can't really hold someone to task, in an official governmental fashion, simply for being an asshole.

Privately, there's plenty you can do. So long as I don't go around swinging, I can not shop with folks, I can castigate them, protest them, and I can write long screeds to the editor, urging others to do the same, but it's a bit different when you're a mayor, governor, or anyone else with official sanction.

Much as I hate to say it, because it pains me that these jackasses exist, I got shot at to defend their right to say any asinine thing they so desired. And I'll still defend their right to make as big a asses of themselves as they want. Doesn't mean that I'm going to put out scones for their next meeting, nor will I be subscribing to their newsletter, or giving cash to them anytime soon, but so long as they ain't hurting anyone, burning crosses on someone's property, they can pretty much pop wise about whatever they want. Americans have the right to be pissed off at other Americans--no where does it say in the Constitution that we all have to get along, and have parties at each others' houses, and play dress up. We just have to no hurt one another, pay for the roads every now and then, and respect that we all don't have the same opinion on things.
 
2004-01-05 06:18:45 PM  
djaj asks:

Are you saying that Greenpeace members don't think they're going to jail for boarding ships? Even though every time they do so, they go to jail? That seems unlikely.


No, that was not was I was saying. I was saying you don't seem to understand how Greenpeace works. Here, let me quote myself:

You really have no clue about Greenpeace...

If you have any questions about why I would say that about you, feel free to ask, but please don't try putting words in my mouth.
 
2004-01-05 06:19:04 PM  
Before I read the article, I had my own interpretation of the head line....


What I was hoping to see was the observation that white supremacists, despite they're being asshats, at least have the sense to (usually) use public forums the right way. That is, they get permits and try to at least "look" rational. (they're still dumb, but that's a given)


Greenpeace, besides being asshats, finds it's "voice" by making a big loud fuss more so than any sort of public forum. Both groups are attention whores.

And as noted before, the billboards are a private business, you could buy space on the next billboard over that says "Don't be a dumbass bigot OR a dumbass tree-hugger"
 
2004-01-05 06:19:30 PM  
Filter test, please ignore.

nineteen ninety-four = 1994

n + nineteen ninety-four = nubian

n + space + nineteen ninety-four = nubian

in nineteen ninety-four = inubian

Post was not changed during preview.
 
2004-01-05 06:20:44 PM  
RickTheVote --
In practice, most white supremacists nowadays talk much more than they act. Tossing firebombs and using beatings and murder eventually drew the wrath of the Feds... most have apparently decided that they'd rather stay out of jail and instead let their enemies badly overreact to marches.
Greenpeace and their ilk not infrequently still openly flout laws -- most notably, deliberately high-profile trespassing and vandalism.
 
2004-01-05 06:20:51 PM  
Oh and this doesn't make any sense:

As for white supremacists wanting a "dramatic, often violent, change in the government," my point was there's a free speech line that these folks try not to cross because otherwise they'd get shut down. Whatever they said to you is therefore likely to be protected speech.
 
2004-01-05 06:21:34 PM  
Randki: Racism is lame, but so is the cycle of violence ;).

Oh man, I just don't have the patience anymore. I just want the fauckers to die. Painfully. The fact that we even tolerate their presence as a country drives me totally nuts. It doesn't make any sense.

We ship our violence everywhere on the planet, in the pursuit of "freedom" and "democracy", but we allow white supremacists to flourish and expand.

Hypocrites.
 
2004-01-05 06:21:40 PM  
2004-01-05 12:32:50 PM RickTheVote

The "Word Twisters" are out in full force today. You're all idiots; how's that for Free Speech?


This just in....

LilyConnor changes fark login, becomes total farker....

And thanks to someone else for providing my new internet identity "The Horror that is Racism".

As long as you remember, only white people have racist feelings/are racists, you'll be all right.
 
2004-01-05 06:23:21 PM  
I guess if 1 = i, 9 = g, and 4 = a, n-1-9-9-4 isn't a good thing to say, and if you say "in nineteen-ninety four" with numerals, you get a bad Macintosh marketing idea for the African-American demographic. Admins, please take note...
 
2004-01-05 06:23:22 PM  
Excellent point and well said, Korovyov. Thank you.
 
2004-01-05 06:23:29 PM  
There's nothing inherently supreme about the white "race" (good luck convincing the French and Germans, or Russians and Finns/Balts/Ukrainians, or the English and anybody that they're the same race). The same group of people who produced the so-called Aryan superman also produced Ozark hillbillies.
 
2004-01-05 06:24:28 PM  
Dozhdbog:

I didn't put words in your mouth. I was trying to figure out what you meant, so I asked you a question. If all you want to do is call me ignorant, instead of enlightening me, that seems awfully selfish of you. I have no reason to believe you are a selfish person, so why not share the knowledge?
 
2004-01-05 06:25:09 PM  
Number of human beings lynched by Greenpeace ZERO

Can't say the same for the kluxers. If a kluxer divorces his wife is she still his sister?
 
2004-01-05 06:26:08 PM  
Excellent sleuthing, paranoidandroid! Thank you, that was driving me crazy.
 
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