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(Daily Mail)   Jeff Flake shows why libertarian politicians are some tough badasses who need no government to survive   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 185
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2013-06-09 02:20:25 PM
He can prove it by staying there.
 
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2013-06-09 02:35:49 PM
Somehow, I think surviving on an island that hasn't been over-fished or polluted and where the fish don't fear people because it is un-inhabited, isn't going to be all that difficult.

Especially if you have a Hawaiian sling, a magnifying glass, a lobster trap and two desalinators.
 
2013-06-09 02:39:28 PM
I don't see anything inherently political about it other than the guy happens to be a Senator.

He took what appears to have been a fun, if slightly unorthodox, vacation with his sons to spend some time bonding.  There's nothing wrong with that, glad they had a good time.
 
2013-06-09 03:07:52 PM
Swam away from the  little shark well then I have to say:
Senator Flake; you are no PUTIN!

In Russia shark swims away from you!
 
2013-06-09 06:15:17 PM
Sorry, but that first pic is creepy.  Like, child molester creepy.
 
2013-06-09 06:21:58 PM
The incredible survivalist holiday of Arizona senator who took his children to deserted island with NO food or water....but then they CAME BACK because survivalism sucks.
 
2013-06-09 06:23:22 PM
I think that actually looks like a lot of fun.  Sweet vacation.

I'm not a fan of him, but don't be one of the "look at this biatch eating crackers" people.
 
2013-06-09 06:24:20 PM
However, the Senator did stay connected to his constituents and his wife with a satellite phone, which he brought along at her insistence, he told the paper.

That must have been a fun conversation.
 
2013-06-09 06:25:39 PM
Never heard of this guy, but he sure has a can-do attitude that he imparts to his kids.  I can't hate on that.
 
2013-06-09 06:28:30 PM
I went on a company retreat once where the bosses were no longer bosses and we all had to work together creatively to solve problems and reach solutions.

By subby's logic, I am proof the socialism can work worldwide
 
2013-06-09 06:30:26 PM

T.rex: Never heard of this guy, but he sure has a can-do attitude that he imparts to his kids.  I can't hate on that.


Agreed.

Those names, though - "Taller" and "Dallin"?

Dude, wutteryoudoin?
 
2013-06-09 06:31:45 PM
"Flake and his two boys lived off the island, eating a unvaried diet of coconuts, crab, and fish"

It's a meal and an economics lesson!
 
2013-06-09 06:33:19 PM
Can't hate on him for doing something I'd love to do.I see nothing political about this except a "Look at that biatch eating crackers like she owns the place" jealousy.
 
2013-06-09 06:33:57 PM
That looks awesome!
 
2013-06-09 06:34:18 PM

Erix: I think that actually looks like a lot of fun.  Sweet vacation.

I'm not a fan of him, but don't be one of the "look at this biatch eating crackers" people.


It does actually look like a blast.

That noted, the pol-watcher side of me can't help but cynically note that this positive press piece on Flake come a couple of months after a PPP poll in which Flake at 58% disapproval supplanted Mitch McConnell as the most unpopular Senator (not an easy feat). That downturn is largely being attributed to his no vote on background checks which were quite popular with his constituency. His PR people shopped this fluff piece around and the Daily Fail bit. Good for him.
 
2013-06-09 06:34:31 PM
And libertarians make fun of liberals for being back-to-nature hippies who want to live in huts and have no electricity?
 
2013-06-09 06:37:04 PM
That does seem like a lot of fun. Don't even want to know how much that plane flight(s) plus possible boat ride to and from cost though.
 
2013-06-09 06:40:20 PM
GILLIGAN!!!

You think he could have at least brought along Ginger and Mary Ann to help pass the nights away.
 
2013-06-09 06:42:37 PM
All 6+ billion of humanity should live that way (*cough*at least those who don't already*cough*)! Free of government intrusion! No liberty-stealing society rules! Live off the land!

Oops, we ran out of space on the planet. Turns out the hunter/gatherer lifestyle requires a lot of roaming space.

OK, some people will need to farm. That's a much more efficient use of land. But now we've got concentrated food "ripe for the picking" for any armed "takers" ... so the farmers will have to arm themselves. But the food they're making are for the benefit of everyone so ... We'll need to stop the looters, otherwise they'll band together and overwhelm individual farmers one by one. How do you stop looters? Collective action in the form of an armed force, like police or army. Ooops, here we are again in a modern society with rules and taxes and libertarian dreams of living FREE blah blah blah
 
2013-06-09 06:42:46 PM

StopLurkListen: And libertarians make fun of liberals for being back-to-nature hippies who want to live in huts and have no electricity?


No, we make fun of those hippies because they want to have the men with guns force us to live like that.  Libertarians don't give a shiat how you live as long as you don't hurt others life, liberty or property through fraud or force.
 
2013-06-09 06:42:50 PM
A wealthy white man took a tropical vacation to teach all the lazy people how to live.
 
2013-06-09 06:45:44 PM
He named his son Taller Flake.
 
2013-06-09 06:47:32 PM

Smeggy Smurf: StopLurkListen: And libertarians make fun of liberals for being back-to-nature hippies who want to live in huts and have no electricity?

No, we make fun of those hippies because they want to have the men with guns force us to live like that.  Libertarians don't give a shiat how you live as long as you don't hurt others life, liberty or property through fraud or force.


Best laugh of my day. Thanks for that.
 
2013-06-09 06:53:19 PM

Wyalt Derp: "Flake and his two boys lived off the island, eating a unvaried diet of coconuts, crab, and fish"

It's a meal and an economics lesson!


Possibly a lesson in biology, too, if they had too much coconut milk.
 
2013-06-09 06:54:23 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Libertarians don't give a shiat how you live as long as you don't hurt others life, liberty or property through fraud or force.


Actually fraud is OK. The market is self-correcting.
 
2013-06-09 06:54:25 PM
But if there were no government who would ban abortion and gay marriage?
 
2013-06-09 06:56:26 PM
Sounds pretty nice.  A lot more pleasant than suburban Phoenix.
 
2013-06-09 07:00:41 PM
Did they drink their own piss?
 
2013-06-09 07:08:23 PM

Bslim: Did they drink their own piss?


The article didn't mention if the trip included lessons on trickle down economics.
 
2013-06-09 07:08:41 PM
...I'm... just gonna have a seat over there.

;_;
 
2013-06-09 07:09:04 PM
They handmade some nice flippers, goggles and spears.
 
2013-06-09 07:09:49 PM
Seems to me like most "libertarians" should change their name to "Flake".
 
2013-06-09 07:12:22 PM
Good for them. Unless he uses it as a 'this is proof why we should all live as libertarians' BS, great, glad they had fun, hope they can do it again sometime.

/Cool tag deserved
//Unless the idiot does the 'proof we should live as libertarians' thing
 
2013-06-09 07:13:41 PM

StopLurkListen: All 6+ billion of humanity should live that way (*cough*at least those who don't already*cough*)! Free of government intrusion! No liberty-stealing society rules! Live off the land!

Oops, we ran out of space on the planet. Turns out the hunter/gatherer lifestyle requires a lot of roaming space.

OK, some people will need to farm. That's a much more efficient use of land. But now we've got concentrated food "ripe for the picking" for any armed "takers" ... so the farmers will have to arm themselves. But the food they're making are for the benefit of everyone so ... We'll need to stop the looters, otherwise they'll band together and overwhelm individual farmers one by one. How do you stop looters? Collective action in the form of an armed force, like police or army. Ooops, here we are again in a modern society with rules and taxes and libertarian dreams of living FREE blah blah blah


Pretty much came to say this.

Awesome little vacation though.
 
2013-06-09 07:14:39 PM

evil saltine: Smeggy Smurf: Libertarians don't give a shiat how you live as long as you don't hurt others life, liberty or property through fraud or force.

Actually fraud is OK. The market is self-correcting.


Have you ever actually read anything libertarian? Fraud and Theft are some of the few things Libertarians are against. The Market self-correction is in a free and open market, Fraud and theft upset that balance.

----not a libertarian----Deals with a roomie who is all day every day====
 
2013-06-09 07:15:27 PM
Awesome. I always liked Jeff Flake, now I respect him even more. Dude knows how to be a good parent and teach them what it takes to survive, that is a great thing.
 
2013-06-09 07:15:38 PM
The Washington Post's article on this is much better than the Daily Fail's, of course, and includes actual quotes from Sen. Flake.  I don't really see a political motive here either.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/06/02/1-se na tor-2-sons-4-days-1-deserted-island-jeff-flake-escapes-again-to-the-so uth-pacific/

I'm far from a libertarian, and this trip sounds really awesome.
 
2013-06-09 07:21:36 PM
Video is called:  One Dad, Two Boys, 4 Days.

Sounds like Gay porn.
 
2013-06-09 07:22:33 PM
Btw, it's things like this that show how laughable the "there are no libertarians in recessions" claim is. More often than not, Libertarians are more prepped for recessions than the average liberal, whether you agree with their philosophy or not.
 
2013-06-09 07:25:22 PM

Deftoons: Awesome. I always liked Jeff Flake, now I respect him even more. Dude knows how to be a good parent and teach them what it takes to survive, that is a great thing.


Survival skills are not independent of environment.  His kids now know how to not die from starvation for a little while on a particular type of island which is more than 5,200 miles from their home.  So, should something happen, they'll be just fine if they quickly travel to one of those islands.
 
2013-06-09 07:25:23 PM
FTFA: "They then took a three hour boat ride aboard a small fishing boat to Biggarenn"

So...I'm assuming there's a Gilligan's Island movie coming out that this is stealth ad for it? Cause it sure as fark don't sound like 'news'.

/yeah yeah, Daily Fail, I know
 
2013-06-09 07:27:22 PM

Lernaeus: T.rex: Never heard of this guy, but he sure has a can-do attitude that he imparts to his kids.  I can't hate on that.

Agreed.

Those names, though - "Taller" and "Dallin"?

Dude, wutteryoudoin?


Apparently the one son is named Tanner, the editorial oversight at the Daily Mail is notoriously lacking.
 
2013-06-09 07:28:10 PM
Those boys are FITs (F-gs in Training).
 
2013-06-09 07:28:27 PM
"Jeff Flake shows why libertarian politicians are some tough badasses who need no government to survive"

...for four days.

Looks like fun.

/what, no gun?
 
2013-06-09 07:28:36 PM
The Flakes didn't even bring any drinking water to the island, but instead had two desalinators, which they had to pump for an hour each night to turn the ocean water into drinkable water.

The horror!
 
2013-06-09 07:29:56 PM
Ooh,  four whole days and they took  all the survival gear they needed, even if they took no food of their own, with them, which apparently had a wide enough definition to include a digital camera?

That is SOGOD DAMN HARDCORE my pubic hair just grew a ZZ Top beard just from reading it. The only way it could be  MORE GOD DAMN HARDCORE is if they took a  MOTHERF*CKING TORGUE GUN with them.  EXPLOSIONS.
 
2013-06-09 07:33:31 PM

jedihirsch: evil saltine: Smeggy Smurf: Libertarians don't give a shiat how you live as long as you don't hurt others life, liberty or property through fraud or force.

Actually fraud is OK. The market is self-correcting.

Have you ever actually read anything libertarian? Fraud and Theft are some of the few things Libertarians are against. The Market self-correction is in a free and open market, Fraud and theft upset that balance.

----not a libertarian----Deals with a roomie who is all day every day====


I've always wondered: how do libertarians deal with monopolies and externalities (pollution, etc)?
 
2013-06-09 07:35:32 PM
Getting paid enough by the American tax payer to work in the US government (an institution you loathe and despise) to take your family on holiday to the Marshall Islands now = bootstrappy? Who knew?
 
2013-06-09 07:36:07 PM
If there is no government, they how can they be politicians?
 
2013-06-09 07:36:11 PM

BSABSVR: The Flakes didn't even bring any drinking water to the island, but instead had two desalinators, which they had to pump for an hour each night to turn the ocean water into drinkable water.

The horror!


A WHOLE hour. that's hardcore, man. I bet they even had to construct a fire-bow. No?

huh...
 
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