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(Colorado Springs Gazette)   After trying every medication on the planet and even signing a DNR order for their 6yr old daughter who suffered 1,200 seizures a month, parents finally find a medication that works, dropping the seizures to a scant 3 per month. Weed   (gazette.com) divider line 192
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2013-06-09 02:24:14 PM
It's great that it's helping her, but it's hilarious to imagine a six year-old blazed out of her mind all day.
 
2013-06-09 02:25:53 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: It's great that it's helping her, but it's hilarious to imagine a six year-old blazed out of her mind all day.


These are both facts.

I've heard many times before that marijuana can be astonishingly helpful for a lot of neurological phenomena. I've seen it help people with tremors, seizeures, etc. Helps me with chronic motor tics/tourettes.
 
2013-06-09 02:40:45 PM
Well, at least when she's stoned out of her mind all day, eating a whole box of cereal and watching cartoons it won't be as sad as a 50 year old doing it.
 
2013-06-09 02:48:18 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: It's great that it's helping her, but it's hilarious to imagine a six year-old blazed out of her mind all day.


Apparently, this is a very, very low THC thing she's on.


TFA: According to their unpublished findings, 84 percent of the 19 parents who responded reported a reduction in the frequency of their children's seizures.

Why don't they just say 16?
 
2013-06-09 03:18:19 PM
Move to Colorado or Washington so you don't have to deal with the police.
 
2013-06-09 03:18:23 PM

Roook: Well, at least when she's stoned out of her mind all day, eating a whole box of cereal and watching cartoons it won't be as sad as a 50 year old doing it.


Hey! I resemble that remark.
 
2013-06-09 03:30:06 PM
Have you ever had seizures on weed?

No?  That's the point.
 
2013-06-09 03:31:52 PM
Hi. Is this the bad parenting thread? Let's take the kid away.
 
2013-06-09 03:58:46 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: It's great that it's helping her, but it's hilarious to imagine a six year-old blazed out of her mind all day.


"That plant" is a special strain of marijuana, cultivated at a Teller County grow business owned by six brothers who have been featured on the National Geographic Channel show "American Weed." The Stanley brothers breed the marijuana so it's super low in THC, the psychoactive component of pot that gets people high, but full of cannabidiol, or CBD, a component believed to be a key to the medicinal properties of marijuana.

I wonder if you could get strains legalized in other states with very small traces of THC, at least for medicinal purposes.  It would cut out nanny-state concerns about people being high all the time while still providing a benefit.
 
2013-06-09 04:14:30 PM

SilentStrider: Move to Colorado or Washington so you don't have to deal with the police.


The little girl and her family live in Colorado.
 
2013-06-09 04:17:14 PM

Relatively Obscure: TFA: According to their unpublished findings, 84 percent of the 19 parents who responded reported a reduction in the frequency of their children's seizures.

Why don't they just say 16?


THIS!!!!

Lsherm: "That plant" is a special strain of marijuana, cultivated at a Teller County grow business owned by six brothers who have been featured on the National Geographic Channel show "American Weed." The Stanley brothers breed the marijuana so it's super low in THC, the psychoactive component of pot that gets people high, but full of cannabidiol, or CBD, a component believed to be a key to the medicinal properties of marijuana.

I wonder if you could get strains legalized in other states with very small traces of THC, at least for medicinal purposes.  It would cut out nanny-state concerns about people being high all the time while still providing a benefit.


OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I could really use something like that to help me sleep?!!
(no, I have already tried everything else which is legally available, and I cannot get a script for xyrem.
 
2013-06-09 04:18:00 PM

Bathia_Mapes: SilentStrider: Move to Colorado or Washington so you don't have to deal with the police.

The little girl and her family live in Colorado.


IF ONLY there were some article he could have read before posting. Which had details about where the girl lived. Some kind of "news" thingy.
 
2013-06-09 04:18:17 PM

ShawnDoc: Have you ever had seizures on weed?

No?  That's the point.


Does getting your weed seized by the cops count?
 
2013-06-09 04:35:07 PM

LasersHurt: I've heard many times before that marijuana can be astonishingly helpful for a lot of neurological phenomena. I've seen it help people with tremors, seizeures, etc. Helps me with chronic motor tics/tourettes.


The problem is, if the seizure isn't related to stimulation of endocannabanoid receptors, the use of THC can actually lower the seizure threshold.
 
2013-06-09 04:46:40 PM

LasersHurt: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: It's great that it's helping her, but it's hilarious to imagine a six year-old blazed out of her mind all day.

These are both facts.

I've heard many times before that marijuana can be astonishingly helpful for a lot of neurological phenomena. I've seen it help people with tremors, seizeures, etc. Helps me with chronic motor tics/tourettes.


Ditto.  Among other things.
 
2013-06-09 05:07:41 PM

hardinparamedic: LasersHurt: I've heard many times before that marijuana can be astonishingly helpful for a lot of neurological phenomena. I've seen it help people with tremors, seizeures, etc. Helps me with chronic motor tics/tourettes.

The problem is, if the seizure isn't related to stimulation of endocannabanoid receptors, the use of THC can actually lower the seizure threshold.


strange
this would explain why they tried 1200 different drugs first, before giving up.
THE WORST part is that the first drug tried wasnt the drug with little to no side-effects and close to free in cost.

My guess is that ALL of the drugs which were tried also had terrible side-effects or could possibly make things worse.
Pretty much like all drugs out there.

/dont get me started on paradoxical side-effects of the currently in vogue sleeping pills.
 
2013-06-09 05:12:28 PM

namatad: strange
this would explain why they tried 1200 different drugs first, before giving up.
THE WORST part is that the first drug tried wasnt the drug with little to no side-effects and close to free in cost.

My guess is that ALL of the drugs which were tried also had terrible side-effects or could possibly make things worse.
Pretty much like all drugs out there.

/dont get me started on paradoxical side-effects of the currently in vogue sleeping pills.


Yeah. It's almost as if seizures are a complex neurological disorder that are not simple to treat.

And 1200 drugs? Really?

The bolded part is what you don't really get, and the fact of the matter is that THC is not effective for everyone - in fact, one of it's fun little side effects is lowering seizure thresholds in many people and in animal models.
 
2013-06-09 05:15:57 PM

namatad: Bathia_Mapes: SilentStrider: Move to Colorado or Washington so you don't have to deal with the police.

The little girl and her family live in Colorado.

IF ONLY there were some article he could have read before posting. Which had details about where the girl lived. Some kind of "news" thingy.


Pfft. Who's got time for articles?
 
2013-06-09 05:22:27 PM
Did you ever try to cope with seizures... on weed?
 
2013-06-09 05:22:57 PM
Hippies.  Child Protective Services need to get involved.
 
2013-06-09 05:23:21 PM
"Medical marijuana is one of the great hoaxes of all time."
hemp.org

STFU
 
2013-06-09 05:27:35 PM

hardinparamedic: Yeah. It's almost as if seizures are a complex neurological disorder that are not simple to treat.
And 1200 drugs? Really?

DUH - hyperbole - look it up

The bolded part is what you don't really get, and the fact of the matter is that THC is not effective for everyone - in fact, one of it's fun little side effects is lowering seizure thresholds in many people and in animal models.

Of course not, nothing is 100% effective for everyone with zero side-effects.
The point which I was attempting to make, is that pot isnt even part of the discussion because of the puritans and their silly laws.
Hell, testing isnt even an option because you cant do studies if it is illegal to get access to the new strains which are out there.

Plus, I thought the article talked about the girl using a low-THC strain ....
 
2013-06-09 05:28:09 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: It's great that it's helping her, but it's hilarious to imagine a six year-old blazed out of her mind all day.


Blazed out of her mind?

Know how I know that you've never been a regular weed smoker?

/oh crap, I gave it away
 
2013-06-09 05:30:30 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: It's great that it's helping her, but it's hilarious to imagine a six year-old blazed out of her mind all day.


i3.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-06-09 05:31:04 PM

phlegmmo: "Medical marijuana is one of the great hoaxes of all time."
[hemp.org image 300x216]

STFU


Had to look that one up. What a farking tool.
 
2013-06-09 05:31:43 PM
Relatively Obscure:
TFA: According to their unpublished findings, 84 percent of the 19 parents who responded reported a reduction in the frequency of their children's seizures.

Why don't they just say 16?


Sounds more sciency this way.
 
2013-06-09 05:34:10 PM

hardinparamedic: namatad: strange
this would explain why they tried 1200 different drugs first, before giving up.
THE WORST part is that the first drug tried wasnt the drug with little to no side-effects and close to free in cost.

My guess is that ALL of the drugs which were tried also had terrible side-effects or could possibly make things worse.
Pretty much like all drugs out there.

/dont get me started on paradoxical side-effects of the currently in vogue sleeping pills.

Yeah. It's almost as if seizures are a complex neurological disorder that are not simple to treat.

And 1200 drugs? Really?

The bolded part is what you don't really get, and the fact of the matter is that THC is not effective for everyone - in fact, one of it's fun little side effects is lowering seizure thresholds in many people and in animal models.


IIRC, part of the problem with meds for kids is so many paradoxical side effects.  Like Reyes syndrome by using aspirin.  Only seems to happen to kids, like certain doses of steroids in kids stunt growth, while steroids in adults can create freaky growth and roid rage.  Seizures are horrible, so I'm very glad this family found relief.
 
2013-06-09 05:35:21 PM

LasersHurt: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: It's great that it's helping her, but it's hilarious to imagine a six year-old blazed out of her mind all day.

These are both facts.

I've heard many times before that marijuana can be astonishingly helpful for a lot of neurological phenomena. I've seen it help people with tremors, seizeures, etc. Helps me with chronic motor tics/tourettes.


. . .but remember, according to the DEA, cannabis has absolutely zero legitimate medical uses whatsoever and is thus considered a Schedule I controlled substance.

I just wish the issue of what drugs were banned and not banned was not a political football, and we legalized things that have legitimate medical usage like MDMA and cannabis, and cracked down hard on things that do nothing but cause misery and suffering like meth and heroin.
 
2013-06-09 05:35:26 PM

namatad: Relatively Obscure: TFA: According to their unpublished findings, 84 percent of the 19 parents who responded reported a reduction in the frequency of their children's seizures.

Why don't they just say 16?

THIS!!!!

Lsherm: "That plant" is a special strain of marijuana, cultivated at a Teller County grow business owned by six brothers who have been featured on the National Geographic Channel show "American Weed." The Stanley brothers breed the marijuana so it's super low in THC, the psychoactive component of pot that gets people high, but full of cannabidiol, or CBD, a component believed to be a key to the medicinal properties of marijuana.

I wonder if you could get strains legalized in other states with very small traces of THC, at least for medicinal purposes.  It would cut out nanny-state concerns about people being high all the time while still providing a benefit.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I could really use something like that to help me sleep?!!
(no, I have already tried everything else which is legally available, and I cannot get a script for xyrem.


I took Xyrem for a couple of years. Legal GHB, more or less. My insurance covered it, but the stuff is $1600 a bottle, and since there is only one supplier in the entire country, it's kind of a pain in the ass. The Doc has to fax the prescription, they have to Fed-Ex it to you. Big pain. Not to mention the constant trips to the Sleep Specialist just to keep getting a refill.

Honestly, it worked, but only for about 3 hours, then you wake up and take another dose. Gotta be IN BED before you take it, because when it kicks in, you drop. No tolerance issues though. If street GHB is anything like Xyrem, I don't understand the draw. Not really pleasant IMO.

I stopped taking it because it raised my blood pressure too much, and I already have hypertension.

Honestly, herb and a glass of wine do me fine. I too tried everything and the herb is preferable
 
2013-06-09 05:36:32 PM

hardinparamedic: namatad: strange
this would explain why they tried 1200 different drugs first, before giving up.
THE WORST part is that the first drug tried wasnt the drug with little to no side-effects and close to free in cost.

My guess is that ALL of the drugs which were tried also had terrible side-effects or could possibly make things worse.
Pretty much like all drugs out there.

/dont get me started on paradoxical side-effects of the currently in vogue sleeping pills.

Yeah. It's almost as if seizures are a complex neurological disorder that are not simple to treat.

And 1200 drugs? Really?

The bolded part is what you don't really get, and the fact of the matter is that THC is not effective for everyone - in fact, one of it's fun little side effects is lowering seizure thresholds in many people and in animal models.


did you read the article? super-low THC content, but full of cannabidiol.
 
2013-06-09 05:37:51 PM

rocky_howard: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: It's great that it's helping her, but it's hilarious to imagine a six year-old blazed out of her mind all day.

[i3.kym-cdn.com image 500x563]


i lol'd
 
2013-06-09 05:39:21 PM
in other words, they're not treating her with THC and are in fact trying to reduce as much THC content as possible.
 
2013-06-09 05:40:58 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: It's great that it's helping her, but it's hilarious to imagine a six year-old blazed out of her mind all day.


I'm sure that she was getting so much accomplished with up to 40 seizures a day. Poor baby.
 
2013-06-09 05:42:03 PM

LittleSmitty: I took Xyrem for a couple of years. Legal GHB, more or less. My insurance covered it, but the stuff is $1600 a bottle, and since there is only one supplier in the entire country, it's kind of a pain in the ass. The Doc has to fax the prescription, they have to Fed-Ex it to you. Big pain. Not to mention the constant trips to the Sleep Specialist just to keep getting a refill.

Honestly, it worked, but only for about 3 hours, then you wake up and take another dose. Gotta be IN BED before you take it, because when it kicks in, you drop. No tolerance issues though. If street GHB is anything like Xyrem, I don't understand the draw. Not really pleasant IMO.

I stopped taking it because it raised my blood pressure too much, and I already have hypertension.

Honestly, herb and a glass of wine do me fine. I too tried everything and the herb is preferable


see ... I read this and I cry.
My problem is sleep latency. I can not fall asleep. So I probably wont not have problems once the first dose wore off.
Wine/alcohol has little to no sleep affect and screws with my rem sleep. ugh
Herb is harder to tell, and I havent spent enough time trying to titrate a working dosage.

I have been working on the other end, not worrying about when I wake up, drugs to get me going if I dont even come close to getting enough sleep (small amounts of nuvigil) and things are pretty good right now.

It would be AWESOME to have something like XYREM as a backup when I just NEED IT NOW.
Next time I see my sleep dr, I am going to bring it up and PUSH for it. See where he is on the subject.
Illinois REALLY SUCKS for meds though .... sigh.
 
2013-06-09 05:43:46 PM

Relatively Obscure: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: It's great that it's helping her, but it's hilarious to imagine a six year-old blazed out of her mind all day.

Apparently, this is a very, very low THC thing she's on.


TFA: According to their unpublished findings, 84 percent of the 19 parents who responded reported a reduction in the frequency of their children's seizures.

Why don't they just say 16?


Statistics doesn't operate on quantities, it operates on percentages.
 
2013-06-09 05:44:48 PM

Relatively Obscure: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: It's great that it's helping her, but it's hilarious to imagine a six year-old blazed out of her mind all day.

Apparently, this is a very, very low THC thing she's on.


TFA: According to their unpublished findings, 84 percent of the 19 parents who responded reported a reduction in the frequency of their children's seizures.

Why don't they just say 16?


84% leaves a bigger impression on the mind.
 
2013-06-09 05:45:09 PM
Wow, that kid was tortured by her seizures. Smashing her head into stuff, pulling out her nails, cripes. The part where her twin sister would give her a kiss at bedtime and say "Don't die tonight"...that's rough. Glad they found something that worked.
 
2013-06-09 05:45:12 PM

namatad: hardinparamedic: LasersHurt: I've heard many times before that marijuana can be astonishingly helpful for a lot of neurological phenomena. I've seen it help people with tremors, seizeures, etc. Helps me with chronic motor tics/tourettes.

The problem is, if the seizure isn't related to stimulation of endocannabanoid receptors, the use of THC can actually lower the seizure threshold.

strange
this would explain why they tried 1200 different drugs first, before giving up.
THE WORST part is that the first drug tried wasnt the drug with little to no side-effects and close to free in cost.

My guess is that ALL of the drugs which were tried also had terrible side-effects or could possibly make things worse.
Pretty much like all drugs out there.

/dont get me started on paradoxical side-effects of the currently in vogue sleeping pills.


QFT...QFT...Big pharma is big garbage
 
2013-06-09 05:55:00 PM
A ketogenic diet is proven to eliminate seizures. She can still time up if she wants, but that will fix the problem.
 
2013-06-09 05:56:26 PM

Gyrfalcon: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: It's great that it's helping her, but it's hilarious to imagine a six year-old blazed out of her mind all day.

I'm sure that she was getting so much accomplished with up to 40 seizures a day. Poor baby.


This. I almost lost it reading about her sister kissing her goodnight saying "don't die tonight". Jaysus, that's killer.
 
2013-06-09 05:58:23 PM
Since starting with Charlotte, the Stanleys have added about 40 more pediatric epileptic patients to their list of Charlotte's Web recipients, giving each a tailor-made tincture for just pennies.

Well, the glorious free market sure as sh*t ain't gonna allow this to happen without muscling in on the action. What's truly sad are the parents in other states who can't get it for one reason: Puritanism. You have to assume sooner or later they won't care about the specific Charlotte's Web strain, and they'll get whatever weed they can for their sick kid, which will probably be some Mexi-ditch weed.
 
2013-06-09 05:58:30 PM

AngryDragon: A ketogenic diet is proven to eliminate seizures. She can still time up if she wants, but that will fix the problem.


I know. I mean, like, duuurrr people, we've cured all siezures.. Just hippies beating around the bush so they can get ripped off some MM from their daughters stash
 
2013-06-09 05:58:52 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: It's great that it's helping her, but it's hilarious to imagine a six year-old blazed out of her mind all day.


Proportion.

You know Ritalin is crack, right?

And a lot of medications have some really nasty side effects. It's all about proper use.
 
2013-06-09 05:59:46 PM
www.tokeofthetown.com
 
2013-06-09 06:01:49 PM

hardinparamedic: namatad: strange
this would explain why they tried 1200 different drugs first, before giving up.
THE WORST part is that the first drug tried wasnt the drug with little to no side-effects and close to free in cost.

My guess is that ALL of the drugs which were tried also had terrible side-effects or could possibly make things worse.
Pretty much like all drugs out there.

/dont get me started on paradoxical side-effects of the currently in vogue sleeping pills.

Yeah. It's almost as if seizures are a complex neurological disorder that are not simple to treat.

And 1200 drugs? Really?

The bolded part is what you don't really get, and the fact of the matter is that THC is not effective for everyone - in fact, one of it's fun little side effects is lowering seizure thresholds in many people and in animal models.


it's not the THC but the CBD that is helpful...
 
2013-06-09 06:02:09 PM

AngryDragon: A ketogenic diet is proven to eliminate seizures. She can still time up if she wants, but that will fix the problem.


You mean the diet they had her on for a while that worked for a short period of time before the seizures started coming back? Yeah, they tried that.
 
2013-06-09 06:08:15 PM

hardinparamedic: namatad: strange
this would explain why they tried 1200 different drugs first, before giving up.
THE WORST part is that the first drug tried wasnt the drug with little to no side-effects and close to free in cost.

My guess is that ALL of the drugs which were tried also had terrible side-effects or could possibly make things worse.
Pretty much like all drugs out there.

/dont get me started on paradoxical side-effects of the currently in vogue sleeping pills.

Yeah. It's almost as if seizures are a complex neurological disorder that are not simple to treat.

And 1200 drugs? Really?

The bolded part is what you don't really get, and the fact of the matter is that THC is not effective for everyone - in fact, one of it's fun little side effects is lowering seizure thresholds in many people and in animal models.


To give a wee bit of backgrounder (for those of y'all who haven't read the article and done followup Googling)--the kid has Dravet's Syndrome or Severe Myoclonic Epilepsy of Infancy, which is the really severe form of generalised epilepsy with febrile seizures plus; basically a very nasty genetic epilepsy syndrome and one that tends to be notoriously refractive to standard treatments available in the US (there is but one drug specifically approved for it and this is generally only available to parents in the US via a compassionate-care exemption allowing import from the UK; it's allowed for import as an orphan drug but isn't technically FDA approved).

For the medically inclined, it's a genetic disease caused by errors in SCN1A (a sodium channel alpha gene)--which is why a lot of conventional antepileptics don't work, and why even a lot of the standard drugs for tonic-clonic seizures like Tegretol et al actually make things worse)...and, unfortunately, for kids who can't find a working antiepileptic or get in a compassionate-care program, the prospects are as bad as for Lennox-Gastaut Syndrome...which is to say that severe brain damage (profound intellectual disability all the way down to full-on Persistent Vegetative State) is a given, and it's not uncommon for kids to die in status epilepticus--they seize so much and so severely that they either cannot breathe and suffocate, or have heart attacks whilst seizing, or suffer such severe brain damage from continuous seizures that it kills them.

With this particular kid, she was rapidly approaching end-stage GEFS+ (multiple seizures a day, intractable seizures not treatable by any medication available Stateside, such severe status epilepticus that rescue medications were throwing the kid into frank cardiac arrest; in kids with GEFS+ of this severity, it's not uncommon for them to die of status epilepticus or complications around the time they'd be entering kindergarten) so I can see why the parents might try an MMJ trial as a last resort.  (It's even entirely possible that they tried the one European drug for Dravet's--stiripentol--without success; then again, even getting access to stiripentol in the US under compassionate-care exemptions is...difficult compared to, say, obtaining MMJ in Colorado.)

In this kid's case, I would suspect (not her physician or her neurologist or geneticist, though, and won't even pretend to be one on the Internet) she may have an SCN1A mutation that causes membrane hyperexcitability in her neurons; the cannabidiols probably calm some of the hyperexited neurons down, and it'd also explain why usual MMJ strains with a higher percentage of THC weren't as effective.  (It's suspected that some of the antiepileptogenic effects of MMJ are actually from non-THC cannabidiols.  The very-low-THC, very-high-cannabidiol strain she's using was explicitly developed to avoid the possibility of THC lowering the seizure threshold.)
 
2013-06-09 06:09:12 PM

namatad: LittleSmitty: I took Xyrem for a couple of years. Legal GHB, more or less. My insurance covered it, but the stuff is $1600 a bottle, and since there is only one supplier in the entire country, it's kind of a pain in the ass. The Doc has to fax the prescription, they have to Fed-Ex it to you. Big pain. Not to mention the constant trips to the Sleep Specialist just to keep getting a refill.

Honestly, it worked, but only for about 3 hours, then you wake up and take another dose. Gotta be IN BED before you take it, because when it kicks in, you drop. No tolerance issues though. If street GHB is anything like Xyrem, I don't understand the draw. Not really pleasant IMO.

I stopped taking it because it raised my blood pressure too much, and I already have hypertension.

Honestly, herb and a glass of wine do me fine. I too tried everything and the herb is preferable

see ... I read this and I cry.
My problem is sleep latency. I can not fall asleep. So I probably wont not have problems once the first dose wore off.
Wine/alcohol has little to no sleep affect and screws with my rem sleep. ugh
Herb is harder to tell, and I havent spent enough time trying to titrate a working dosage.

I have been working on the other end, not worrying about when I wake up, drugs to get me going if I dont even come close to getting enough sleep (small amounts of nuvigil) and things are pretty good right now.

It would be AWESOME to have something like XYREM as a backup when I just NEED IT NOW.
Next time I see my sleep dr, I am going to bring it up and PUSH for it. See where he is on the subject.
Illinois REALLY SUCKS for meds though .... sigh.


No REM sleep with Xyrem. You sail right past it. You're just... unconscious.

Not a lot of Doctors want to be involved with the stuff. My sleep Doc actually lobbied congress to get it legalized for prescription use, and speaks at conferences since there is a big stigma regarding GHB (OMG someone might misuse teh stuff!!!! DATE RAPE!!!).

It does knock you out. Like POW. And nothing wakes you up until it wears off. The good part is the half-life is so short there is no hangover effect. No grogginess when you wake up.

If it might help you, my doc's name was Neil Feldman, he's in St Petersburg Fl, (actually Pasadena). I don't have his number since I don't see him anymore. Shouldn't be too hard for your Doc to contact him.  Maybe your doc can get in touch with him...
 
2013-06-09 06:11:12 PM
Ah yes, all the self-described experts/haters this way please...
 
2013-06-09 06:13:06 PM
Has anyone said she is faking the medical benefits because she just wants to get high yet?
 
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